Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-04-01 Thread Matthew Mondor
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:06:07 +0100 Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: As such, I want to propose moving the last two categories into the Attic for further dusting. It makes sense to me, -- Matt

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-03-23 Thread Andrew Doran
Hi Joerg. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 04:06:07PM +0100, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: Hi all, the following is what I consider as summary of the thread. Use cases mentioned for or considered simple enough: - Linux - FreeBSD - OSF1 - Ultrix - SVR/SVR4 Incomplete, broken and of questionable

Re: Fwd: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-03-03 Thread David Holland
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:40:44AM +, Andrew Doran wrote: With modules now basically working we should either retire or move some of these items to pkgsrc so that the interested parties maintain them. An awful lot of the compat stuff is now very compartmentalised, with not much more

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-03-03 Thread Matthew Mondor
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 00:40:44 + Andrew Doran a...@netbsd.org wrote: With modules now basically working we should either retire or move some of these items to pkgsrc so that the interested parties maintain them. An awful lot of the compat stuff is now very compartmentalised, with not much

Re: Fwd: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-03-01 Thread Andrew Doran
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:25:07AM -0500, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:13:36AM +0200, haad wrote: With solaris.kmod we are compatible with solaris kernel, (we should be able to load solaris kernel modules). Have you actually tried this? I am pretty sure it

Re: Fwd: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-03-01 Thread Antti Kantee
On Tue Mar 01 2011 at 09:55:38 +, Andrew Doran wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:25:07AM -0500, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:13:36AM +0200, haad wrote: With solaris.kmod we are compatible with solaris kernel, (we should be able to load solaris kernel

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-03-01 Thread Manuel Bouyer
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 05:05:15PM -0800, Brian Buhrow wrote: Hello. As of NetBSD-5.0, I can run FreeBSD statically linked binaries without a problem. I'm using the FreeBSD binary of t_cli, as someone else is, and it says the following: #file /usr/local/sbin/tw_cli

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-03-01 Thread Mindaugas Rasiukevicius
Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: there is a lot of code in sys/compat and changes in the kernel API tend to require changes in this code too. I would like to know which emulations are actually in use, what the status of emulation is (both in terms of stability and feature set)

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-28 Thread Stephen Borrill
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: As far as I can tell we have emulation code for: Darwin (no GUI, doesn't to have been updated in the last 5 years) FreeBSD (does it even handle FreeBSD 4?) [snip] (1) Can the emulation run real world application and which? It can run the 3ware

Fwd: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-28 Thread haad
Hi, On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: Hi all, there is a lot of code in sys/compat and changes in the kernel API tend to require changes in this code too. I would like to know which emulations are actually in use, what the status of emulation

Re: Fwd: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-28 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:13:36AM +0200, haad wrote: With solaris.kmod we are compatible with solaris kernel, (we should be able to load solaris kernel modules). Have you actually tried this? I am pretty sure it would not work. It appears to me that solaris.kmod includes shims that provide

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-28 Thread Jonathan A. Kollasch
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35:12PM +0100, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: FreeBSD (does it even handle FreeBSD 4?) Five or so years ago this could run the distributed.net proxy. I don't use this application anymore. OSF1 As of a few years ago, it could run the distributed.net client. This was

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-28 Thread Takahiro Kambe
In message 201103010105.p2115fe4002...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org on Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:05:15 -0800, buh...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org (Brian Buhrow) wrote: Hello. As of NetBSD-5.0, I can run FreeBSD statically linked binaries without a problem. I'm using the FreeBSD binary of

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-27 Thread Eric Schnoebelen
Joerg Sonnenberger writes: - Hi all, - there is a lot of code in sys/compat and changes in the kernel API tend - to require changes in this code too. I would like to know which - emulations are actually in use, what the status of emulation is (both in - terms of stability and feature set) and

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-27 Thread Magnus Eriksson
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: FreeBSD (does it even handle FreeBSD 4?) (1) Can the emulation run real world application and which? (4) Is the emulation in use? I was going to say that there are at least packages in pkgsrc that are FreeBSD binaries, but the only one I

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-27 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:35:12PM +0100, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: FreeBSD (does it even handle FreeBSD 4?) No. IRIX Jan Schaumann might know when this last was used in the wild. SVR3 This was actually very good at one point -- I managed to use it to install and run Oracle! But I do

Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-25 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
Hi all, there is a lot of code in sys/compat and changes in the kernel API tend to require changes in this code too. I would like to know which emulations are actually in use, what the status of emulation is (both in terms of stability and feature set) and based on that, whether some of them

Re: Status and future of 3rd party ABI compatibility layer

2011-02-25 Thread Masao Uebayashi
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: Hi all, there is a lot of code in sys/compat and changes in the kernel API tend to require changes in this code too. I would like to know which emulations are actually in use, what the status of emulation is