On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 04:16:49PM +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> > > Right, and in my experience it would be completely unsuitable. :)
> > >
> > > Now, don't get me wrong, I love Lout and and when I need a batch
> > > formatter it's what I use unless there are strong overriding reasons.
> >
> Yeah, who uses rendering a manpage in a tight loop ;) If it runs on
> the older machines in a few seconds I don't think its going to be an
> issue. And it isn't that slow is it?
As someone who still routinely uses "older machines", if it is
significantly slower than nroff, it will be a problem
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 01:08:39AM +, David Holland wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:03:21PM +0300, Valery Ushakov wrote:
> > > Well, there is lout to consider.
> > [...]
> > > I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
> > > script could indeed do it as its format i
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 12:03:21PM +0300, Valery Ushakov wrote:
> > Well, there is lout to consider.
> [...]
> > I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
> > script could indeed do it as its format is quite easy. Uwe has
> > experience with it :)
>
> Right, and in my
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 07:20:31PM +0100, Anders Magnusson wrote:
> Agreed if the goal is to replace groff.
> What i was referring to was only the ability to format nroff man pages
> containing troff directives, nothing else.? It's really small for that
> usage.
> The troff part only generates
Den 2021-03-13 kl. 16:06, skrev Valery Ushakov:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 10:39:08 +0100, Anders Magnusson wrote:
Den 2021-03-13 kl. 10:03, skrev Valery Ushakov:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
Well, there is lout to consider.
[...]
I've never used it for manpa
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 10:39:08 +0100, Anders Magnusson wrote:
> Den 2021-03-13 kl. 10:03, skrev Valery Ushakov:
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> >
> > > Well, there is lout to consider.
> > [...]
> > > I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple
Den 2021-03-13 kl. 10:03, skrev Valery Ushakov:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
Well, there is lout to consider.
[...]
I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
script could indeed do it as its format is quite easy. Uwe has
experience with
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46 +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> Well, there is lout to consider.
[...]
> I've never used it for manpage rendering though! A simple `awk'
> script could indeed do it as its format is quite easy. Uwe has
> experience with it :)
Right, and in my experience it would b
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:54:46AM +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote:
> > Like with many other problems, the current situation is poor and
> > there's also no particularly viable way forward.
>
> Well, there is lout to consider. Its a selfcontained program
> written in C only with no external depe
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 07:50:02AM +, David Holland wrote:
> I think the _solution_ to this problem is a new typesetting engine
> (not anything based on tex or roff), but this has to happen and become
> viable independent of netbsd before we adopt it; if we jump the gun
> it's as likely to beco
On 2020-11-15 12:20, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2020 03:10:08 +0100
> From:Kamil Rytarowski
> Message-ID: <12f29556-2407-2f6f-de5c-67539bca6...@netbsd.org>
>
> | 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
> | base and most 3
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 07:50:02AM +, David Holland wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> > I'm going to summarize the situation with formatters in the NetBSD base.
>
> A couple more points:
>
> > [...] old groff in base.
>
> There's an additional rea
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 07:50:02AM +, David Holland wrote:
> [...]
>
> (2) Thierry mentions kertex as an alternative to trying to import
> ordinary tex into base (which is a nonstarter), but this never goes
> anywhere;
To put clearly things about the proposal:
1) I do not propose to import T
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> I'm going to summarize the situation with formatters in the NetBSD base.
A couple more points:
> [...] old groff in base.
There's an additional reason to not update groff besides licensing,
which is that recent groff depends o
Kamil Rytarowski wrote in
<12f29556-2407-2f6f-de5c-67539bca6...@netbsd.org>:
|I apologize for nerves and words that could be avoided.
|
|I'm going to summarize the situation with formatters in the NetBSD base.
|
|1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
|base
On 15.11.2020 08:18, Martin Husemann wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
>> 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
>> base and most 3rd party software: BSD mandoc (newest) and GPLv2 groff
>> 1.19.2 (old, from 2005).
>
> Ignor
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 12:43:58PM -0500, Mouse wrote:
> But, of course, that's predicated on someone going to the trouble to
> (a) build a DVI-to-text backend (not hard, if it doesn't yet exist,
Whether the whole TeX-idea is useful for the purpose, I don't know
at the momenti; but dvi2tty i
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 12:43:58PM -0500, Mouse wrote:
> >> - switch to something else (anything else?)
> > As a general purpose doc tool [TeX] is fine,
>
> Only for typeset doc. For read-as-text doc - which, at least
> personally, is far more important - it is, well, see below. (For
> almost a
>> - switch to something else (anything else?)
> As a general purpose doc tool [TeX] is fine,
Only for typeset doc. For read-as-text doc - which, at least
personally, is far more important - it is, well, see below. (For
almost all purposes, if I'm faced with typeset documentation,
regardless of
Date:Sun, 15 Nov 2020 03:10:08 +0100
From:Kamil Rytarowski
Message-ID: <12f29556-2407-2f6f-de5c-67539bca6...@netbsd.org>
| 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
| base and most 3rd party software: BSD mandoc (newest) and GPLv2 gr
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08 +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> 10. I've suggested a MANWIDTH patch, which looked fine for upstream, but
> it is not guaranteed to land upstream at all or in that form.
>
> http://netbsd.org/~kamil/patch-00287-mandoc-MANWIDTH.txt
mandoc may support MANWIDTH as a
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> 12. I recall recurring discussions about phasing out gplv2 groff from
> the base and introduction of something else.
>
> I can see the following options:
>
> - do nothing, keep shipping gnu gplv2 groff
> - upgrade to gplv3 grof
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 03:10:08AM +0100, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:
> 1. NetBSD base ships with two programs that can format manual pages from
> base and most 3rd party software: BSD mandoc (newest) and GPLv2 groff
> 1.19.2 (old, from 2005).
Ignoring pkgsrc and most parts of what you listed in the p
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