Re: signed packages

2014-01-27 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 27-01-2014 01:33, Nicolai escreveu: All the TLD and other massive outages say otherwise. I can think of one project that uses DNSSEC to verify files via TXT lookups. Their last DNSSEC outage? 3 days ago. Ed25519 in signify provides a 128-bit security level and is decentralized. DNSSEC

Re: signed packages

2014-01-26 Thread Nicolai
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 02:33:56PM -0200, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: DNSSEC would make things a little simpler All the TLD and other massive outages say otherwise. I can think of one project that uses DNSSEC to verify files via TXT lookups. Their last DNSSEC outage? 3 days ago. Ed25519 in

Re: signed packages

2014-01-23 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Giancarlo Razzolini contributed: I believe that with the interdiction programs that NSA has, and maybe also other governments, CD's can not be entitled with the same trust as before. Why would you have so much trust in the ether unless you have met someone with say a

Re: signed packages

2014-01-23 Thread Marc Espie
A huge swath of clean-up has just hit the trees. Most specifically, now that it works, the signing-only code has been moved into a separate pkg_sign command. This is partly for documentation purpose: it's much simpler to document the parameters to that command separately, instead of as additions

Re: signed packages

2014-01-23 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 23-01-2014 09:33, Kevin Chadwick escreveu: Why would you have so much trust in the ether unless you have met someone with say a DNSSEC key or have a web of trust with someone you have met and that you trust and has met and swapped keys further up the line. The first key for DNSSEC is almost

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Loganaden Velvindron
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: It's probably time to talk about it. Yes, we are now distributing signed packages. A lot of people have probably noticed because there was a key mismatch on at least one batch of signed packages. Obviously, we haven't

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 01:46:33PM +0400, Loganaden Velvindron wrote: The signing framework in pkg_add/pkg_create is much older than that, if was written for x509 a few years ago, but signify(1) will probably be more robust and ways simpler. In particular, there's no chain-of-trust, so

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014/01/22 13:46, Loganaden Velvindron wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: It's probably time to talk about it. Yes, we are now distributing signed packages. A lot of people have probably noticed because there was a key mismatch on at least one

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Jiri B
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:28:50AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: The model is: only the specific keys placed in /etc/signify are trusted. The plan is to include the public keys used for signing release n+1 in release n. So once you trust a particular key, by verifying signatures on sets

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Bob Beck
Yeah. Ok mister chicken before egg.. We should validate this thing shipped in a release using dnssec with a root of trust depending on root certs shipped with the release...Love that idea.. But maybe I'll just buy a CD. On 22 Jan 2014 05:13, Jiri B ji...@devio.us wrote: On Wed, Jan 22,

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Bob Beck
Our lists are so full of helpful smart people who think chains of trust are magical pixie dust coming from root-provider-fairylands where the root cert faires live in castles of uncompromising fortitude that are never full of government plants and are whose certificates are magically transported

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Bob Beck
I think I'll make sure to advertise the next OpenBSD Foundation funding campaign by suggesting that you're not actually not real people, but a helpful-suggestions-posting-bot sponsored by the NSA.. Or maybe it's that they've infiltrated our educational systems... Please get our your tinfoil

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 22-01-2014 11:00, Bob Beck escreveu: Our lists are so full of helpful smart people who think chains of trust are magical pixie dust coming from root-provider-fairylands where the root cert faires live in castles of uncompromising fortitude that are never full of government plants and are

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:28, Stuart Henderson wrote: (IIRC somebody suggested printing keys on the tshirts, not sure if print resolution on fabric is really up to that without making the text so big as to be horribly ugly, posters may work though.) It's only 56 letters. 3 rows of 19 should

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Kenneth Westerback
We did print the whole blowfish implementation on the back of a t-shirt, and I can still read mine. So a key should not be a problem. :-) . Ken On 23 January 2014 09:13, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:28, Stuart Henderson wrote: (IIRC somebody

Re: signed packages

2014-01-22 Thread Ian McWilliam
On 23/01/2014 12:52 AM, Bob Beck wrote: I think I'll make sure to advertise the next OpenBSD Foundation funding campaign by suggesting that you're not actually not real people, but a helpful-suggestions-posting-bot sponsored by the NSA.. Or maybe it's that they've infiltrated our educational

Re: signed packages

2014-01-18 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:39:49PM -0500, sven falempin wrote: i read the manuals , and well , i am still unsure, if i put SIGNER=bob in the package configuration then it will be signed with /etc/signify/bob.sec having to read 4 different manual page to get this is strange :p No,

Re: signed packages

2014-01-17 Thread sven falempin
Awesome. To keep OUR control, one shall create a FTP, resign all packet and update the key, or generate packet and sign with is own key, moreover update the one on his openBSD client , where are those keys ? * the public one on the client openBSD * the private one on the builder is there a

Re: signed packages

2014-01-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:09:31PM -0500, sven falempin wrote: Awesome. Â * the public one on the client openBSD Â * the private one on the builder is there a new make command in ports to sign ? like make sign ? make resign ? See signify(1), pkg_add(1), pkg_create(1),

Re: signed packages

2014-01-17 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:23:53PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:09:31PM -0500, sven falempin wrote: Awesome. Â * the public one on the client openBSD Â * the private one on the builder is there a new make command in ports to sign ? like make sign ?

Re: signed packages

2014-01-17 Thread sven falempin
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:23:53PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:09:31PM -0500, sven falempin wrote: Awesome. Â * the public one on the client openBSD Â * the private one on the