Re: DNF kernel-devel: The Final Frontier

2015-01-29 Thread poma
# dnf --disablerepo=* upgrade *3.18.4-200.fc21.x86_64.rpm Dependencies resolved. == Package Arch Version Repository Size

Re: criterion update: add switch user to Shutdown, reboot, logout

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: I agree it's not as important as shutdown, but the question is whether it's important enough to be considered basic functionality and we block

rawhide report: 20150129 changes

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Jan 29 05:15:02 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [aeskulap] aeskulap-0.2.2-0.19beta1.fc22.i686 requires libofstd.so.3.6

Re: criterion update: add switch user to Shutdown, reboot, logout

2015-01-29 Thread Kamil Paral
Matthias Clasen wrote: I think user switching is much less important than the other things on your list (login, shutdown, reboot) I agree it's not as important as shutdown, but the question is whether it's important enough to be considered basic functionality and we block the release when

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Amita Sharma
On 01/29/2015 06:30 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 01:37:39PM +0100, Jos Vos wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:56:56AM +, Sérgio Basto wrote: +1 , I'm against enforce 'good' passwords , it is pretty clear, double click if you want have an insecure password and system .

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Amita Sharma
On 01/29/2015 05:59 PM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 08:53:42 AM Brian C. Lane wrote: This Friday's build of Anaconda will no longer allow you to use weak passwords and click done twice. In order to promote more secureish default systems I have increased the password

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Scott Robbins
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 01:37:39PM +0100, Jos Vos wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:56:56AM +, Sérgio Basto wrote: +1 , I'm against enforce 'good' passwords , it is pretty clear, double click if you want have an insecure password and system . +1, enforcing will create lots of

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 08:53:42 AM Brian C. Lane wrote: This Friday's build of Anaconda will no longer allow you to use weak passwords and click done twice. In order to promote more secureish default systems I have increased the password length required to 8 characters and removed

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Jos Vos
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:56:56AM +, Sérgio Basto wrote: +1 , I'm against enforce 'good' passwords , it is pretty clear, double click if you want have an insecure password and system . +1, enforcing will create lots of frustrations for people often creating internal test systems, etc. A

Re: criterion update: add switch user to Shutdown, reboot, logout

2015-01-29 Thread Rex Dieter
Kamil Paral wrote: I propose this change: title: Shutdown, reboot, logout, switch Shutting down, rebooting, logging out and user switching must work (hrm, my prior response missed -test list) User switching should not be a blocker. Besides, even if broken, it can be fixed by subsequent

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread David Lehman
On 01/29/2015 06:29 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 08:53:42 AM Brian C. Lane wrote: This Friday's build of Anaconda will no longer allow you to use weak passwords and click done twice. In order to promote more secureish default systems I have increased the password

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Seriously. Stop this. I have already asked people to stop assigning negative motivations to others without due cause. This is not being excellent to each other. Your user password for your computer is

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 14:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Samuel Sieb sam...@sieb.net wrote: I just don't understand the reasoning here. Sure, make it very clear that the chosen password is weak. Make me jump through several hoops before accepting the

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 16:24 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: It's not actually something that is part of the Change's scope, but an alternative way to try and achieve the same goal: the overall thought process was

Re: Release criterion proposal: Package sets (Alpha and Beta)

2015-01-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 13:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-01-23 at 09:25 -0700, Mike Ruckman wrote: Just to sum it up for people, the proposal overall is: - Reword the alpha criterion [0] - add a Beta criterion (with the latest extension) [1] - add a net-install Final

Re: [Fedora QA] #277: Add ARM to release criteria / validation process somehow

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#277: Add ARM to release criteria / validation process somehow ---+--- Reporter: adamwill | Owner: adamwill Type: task | Status: closed Priority: critical | Milestone: Fedora 18 Component: Wiki |Version:

Re: [Fedora QA] #297: Review release criteria for Fedora 18

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#297: Review release criteria for Fedora 18 ---+--- Reporter: adamwill | Owner: pschindl Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 18 Component: Release criteria |

Re: [Fedora QA] #446: Proposed Test Day - NetworkManager

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#446: Proposed Test Day - NetworkManager ---+--- Reporter: vbenes| Owner: Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: Resolution: wontfix | Keywords:

Re: [Fedora QA] #322: New release criterion: no X libs in the minimal install set

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#322: New release criterion: no X libs in the minimal install set ---+ Reporter: mattdm| Owner: Type: enhancement | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Release criteria |

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 15:09 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Seriously. Stop this. I have already asked people to stop assigning

Re: [Fedora QA] #273: Improve browseability of validation matrix pages

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#273: Improve browseability of validation matrix pages -+--- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: adamwill Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major |

Re: [Fedora QA] #275: Create test plan for ARM

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#275: Create test plan for ARM -+ Reporter: jdulaney| Owner: Type: task| Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Test cases |Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: Blocked By:

Re: [Fedora QA] #327: test cases that require autopart shrink need to be updated

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#327: test cases that require autopart shrink need to be updated -+--- Reporter: kparal | Owner: Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 18 Component: Test cases |Version:

Re: [Fedora QA] #363: Require spins to go through smoke testing before being published

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#363: Require spins to go through smoke testing before being published --+- Reporter: adamwill | Owner: Type: enhancement | Status: closed Priority: minor| Milestone: Undetermined Future Component: Test

Re: [Fedora QA] #336: ARM as primary arch

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#336: ARM as primary arch ---+--- Reporter: jdulaney | Owner: jdulaney Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 19 Component: Release criteria |Version:

Re: [Fedora QA] #448: Proposed Test Day - Virtualization

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#448: Proposed Test Day - Virtualization ---+--- Reporter: crobinso | Owner: Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords:

Re: Self Introduction - David Terrey

2015-01-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2015-01-26 at 19:47 +1100, Bjorn Njordsson wrote: Hi all, Welcome! My name is David Terrey, also known as Bjorn Njordsson. There just *has* to be a story behind that! I am 31 years old and been an System Administrator and IT Support for just under 8 years. I am happy to

Re: [Fedora QA] #396: Revise partitioning test cases to reflect newUI design and cover its intended use cases

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#396: Revise partitioning test cases to reflect newUI design and cover its intended use cases -+--- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: pschindl Type: task| Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 20

Re: [Fedora QA] #228: SOPs for Everything

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#228: SOPs for Everything ---+- Reporter: adamwill | Owner: adamwill Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Undetermined Future Component: Wiki |Version: Resolution:|

Re: [Fedora QA] #398: Add Secure Boot test case

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#398: Add Secure Boot test case -+- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: Type: task| Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Undetermined Future Component: Test cases |Version: Resolution:

Re: [Fedora QA] #395: Consider how to improve testing of different installer interfaces

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#395: Consider how to improve testing of different installer interfaces ---+- Reporter: adamwill | Owner: Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Undetermined Future Component: Wiki |

Re: [Fedora QA] #273: Improve browseability of validation matrix pages

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#273: Improve browseability of validation matrix pages -+- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: adamwill Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major |

Re: [Fedora QA] #443: Better format for test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC) requests

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#443: Better format for test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC) requests -+- Reporter: jreznik | Owner: adamwill Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org said: It's not actually something that is part of the Change's scope, but an alternative way to try and achieve the same goal: the overall thought process was well, what the Change proposer really wants is to reduce the likelihood

Re: [Fedora QA] #307: Add multi-desktop and multi-arch images to validation process

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#307: Add multi-desktop and multi-arch images to validation process -+--- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: adamwill Type: enhancement | Status: closed Priority: critical

Re: [Fedora QA] #447: Proposed Test Day - ARM

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#447: Proposed Test Day - ARM ---+- Reporter: pwhalen | Owner: Paul Whalen Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: Resolution: wontfix | Keywords:

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Andre Robatino
Chris Murphy lists at colorremedies.com writes: If this is really an improvement in security, which it isn't because an 8 character good password still has very low entropy, then it It depends - if the only concern is remote access, and there is a limit on the number of login attempts (either

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 19:55 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org said: It's not actually something that is part of the Change's scope, but an alternative way to try and achieve the same goal: the overall thought process was well, what the

Re: [Fedora QA] #322: New release criterion: no X libs in the minimal install set

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#322: New release criterion: no X libs in the minimal install set ---+-- Reporter: mattdm| Owner: Type: enhancement | Status: reopened Priority: major | Milestone: Component: Release criteria |

Re: [Fedora QA] #441: Temporary sysadmin-qa membership to access beaker for desktop qe

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#441: Temporary sysadmin-qa membership to access beaker for desktop qe --+ Reporter: vrutkovs | Owner: tflink Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major| Milestone: Component: permissions |Version:

Re: [Fedora QA] #400: Revise 'firstboot' test case

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#400: Revise 'firstboot' test case -+--- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: adamwill Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 20 Component: Test cases |Version: Resolution: fixed |

Re: [Fedora QA] #397: Create test cases for release criteria that are currently missing them

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#397: Create test cases for release criteria that are currently missing them -+- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: Type: task| Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Undetermined Future Component: Test

Re: [Fedora QA] #450: Fedora 21 Translation (L10n) Test Day

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#450: Fedora 21 Translation (L10n) Test Day ---+--- Reporter: anipeter | Owner: pschindl Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: Resolution: wontfix |

Re: [Fedora QA] #449: Proposed Test Day - Cockpit

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#449: Proposed Test Day - Cockpit ---+--- Reporter: stefw | Owner: pschindl Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords:

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: And as I said to otherChris, 'without open discussion' is just plainly false. There's a ton of 'open discussion', spread across three mailing lists. That's confused. On devel@ the discussion was about the

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Felix Miata
Adam Williamson composed on 2015-01-29 18:23 (UTC-0800): You could also, of course, wait more than one lousy day to give the devs a chance to reply before whipping up a storm of righteous indignation, but so often that seems too much to ask? I wonder if a point of Brian's OP was to gauge

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Bob Lightfoot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/29/2015 11:04 PM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: On 01/30/2015 01:00 AM, David Lehman wrote: On 01/29/2015 06:29 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 08:53:42 AM Brian C. Lane wrote: This Friday's build of Anaconda will no longer

Re: [Fedora QA] #18: Request for content - Debugging evolution

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#18: Request for content - Debugging evolution -+-- Reporter: jlaska | Owner: somebody Type: task| Status: new Priority: minor | Milestone: Component: Wiki|Version: Resolution: | Keywords: Blocked By:

Re: Heads up - Anaconda 22.17 will enforce 'good' passwords

2015-01-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-01-29 at 16:24 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: It's not actually something that is part of the Change's scope, but an alternative way to try and achieve the same goal: the overall thought process was well, what the Change proposer really wants is to reduce the likelihood of

Re: [Fedora QA] #272: Add changelog to TC/RC announce mails

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#272: Add changelog to TC/RC announce mails -+--- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: robatino Type: enhancement | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone:

Re: [Fedora QA] #394: Revise validation process / templates for ARM as primary arch

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#394: Revise validation process / templates for ARM as primary arch ---+--- Reporter: adamwill | Owner: Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 20 Component: Wiki |Version: Resolution:

Re: [Fedora QA] #429: temporary membership in sysadmin-qa for atodorov so that beaker trial can continue

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#429: temporary membership in sysadmin-qa for atodorov so that beaker trial can continue --+ Reporter: tflink | Owner: tflink Type: task | Status: new Priority: minor| Milestone: Component: permissions |

Re: [Fedora QA] #403: Modify initial-setup test case or create new one for ARM (vendor mode)

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#403: Modify initial-setup test case or create new one for ARM (vendor mode) -+--- Reporter: adamwill| Owner: pwhalen Type: task| Status: closed Priority: blocker | Milestone: Fedora 20 Component: Test cases |

Re: [Fedora QA] #404: Look through validation matrices and note which tests don't apply to ARM

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#404: Look through validation matrices and note which tests don't apply to ARM ---+--- Reporter: adamwill | Owner: pwhalen Type: task | Status: closed Priority: blocker | Milestone: Fedora 20 Component: Wiki |

Re: [Fedora QA] #452: Proposed Test Day - Jenkins

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#452: Proposed Test Day - Jenkins ---+--- Reporter: msrb | Owner: pschindl Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords:

Re: [Fedora QA] #454: Proposed Test Day - Server

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#454: Proposed Test Day - Server ---+--- Reporter: junland | Owner: Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: 2.0 Resolution: fixed | Keywords: Blocked

Re: [Fedora QA] #451: Fedora 21 i18n Test Day

2015-01-29 Thread Fedora QA
#451: Fedora 21 i18n Test Day ---+--- Reporter: tagoh | Owner: Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 21 Component: Test Day |Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: Blocked By:

Re: DNF kernel-devel: The Final Frontier

2015-01-29 Thread Andre Robatino
This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1079906 (originally https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062997 ). It partially works now in Rawhide, except that it fails to remove the old version of kernel-devel (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1079906#c18 which is