explicitly require that the browser on an upgraded
Workstation or KDE install meets the "basic functionality" criterion.
If Firefox's basic functionality is compromised on upgrade from a
current F34 or F35 Workstation or KDE install, that is clearly a
blocker under the existing criteria, for me.
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and David is going to pick it up and move forward. I'll check back in
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> live just now:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Final_Release_Criteria#software-install-remove-update
>
> Thanks everyone for participating!
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; test will still require a human
to do it.
This all seemed kinda 'obvious' in light of the meeting discussion, so
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The last two blocks actually read slightly awkwardly together like
that, but after messing with it a for a bit, I can't find a way to
combine them that reads better. So let's leave it that way.
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think releng did this for F34, right? I think Mohan and Kevin read
this list, so let's see if they chip in.
Sorry to hear about the nouveau driver issues :| Do you have upstream
engagement there? I'm not honestly sure how much work anyone at RH is
doing on nouveau these days, but if it would help I can
it
does it.
I'd be happy to swap for a package review of similar complexity, or
some other approximately equal task which you need doing and which I
can do :)
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On Mon, 2022-01-24 at 15:28 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:36 AM Adam Williamson
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> > On Fri, 2022-01-21 at 18:20 -0500, John Mellor wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, so would that allowance not violate 2 of the proposed criteria:
>
or UEFI installs is intentional or has
really been thought about, so there could be scope for changing that,
and clarifying the release criteria expectations about it. But both the
behaviour and the desire for it were fairly clearly established for
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release criteria: they define the
most important parts of existing behaviour. We're not designing *new*
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decided that it's fine with that (as we have). Release criteria are not
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igned to work, and it's clearly
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gnome-desktop3 to gnome-desktop3-41.3-1.fc36
2. Downgrade gnome-initial-setup to gnome-initial-setup-41.2-1.fc36
3. Remove libgweather4
I *hope* that should do it, if there are no other problems hidden
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> > > This makes sense to me. It might also make sense for big changes to also
> > > include proposed updates to the validation criteria, just as m
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> > However, I think there'd be a solid case for FESCo to take anything
> > like this as a blocker, and procedurally that makes more sense too -
> > Chan
just went and checked, and last year we
"improved" those things to use commands that work with both resolved
and the old setup, so the same commands could be used on both F33 (old
way, still supported at the time) and F34+ (meant to be the new way).
So that's why we didn't run into thi
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>
> QA team, your feedback very appreciated here!
Thanks for the work on that, Matthew. I'm on PTO from tomorrow until
the new year, so my feedback will probably have to wait for then,
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> Hi folks! So the F35 retrospective has been up for a while:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_QA_Retrospective
>
> I thought I'd send out my planned set of actions in response to the
> points raised there.
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ons.
How does this sound to everyone? Please add any suggestions you have!
And there's still time to add new items to the retrospective itself, if
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> Please feel free to ask any question here on the mailing list or in the
> other communication channels (Matrix, IRC, Telegram).
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s
> http://bit.ly/fedora-commonbugs-proposed
> and while there are definitely good-faith proposals there, there also seem
> to be at least _some_ cases where someone has a bug that is important and
> urgent to them and therefore they have set a bunch of random keywords
> because they can.
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pagure.io/fedora-qa/fedora_openqa/issues , if you have any
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fter upgrade|2016253}}
the 'no-sound-on-upgrade' text is used as the anchor title, and the
"link to this item" link it generates uses that anchor. So we can
change the human-readable title - "No sound after upgrade" - without
changing the anchor link, which is what we put in the bug whit
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So, we can either wait one more week, or someone else can volunteer to
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> > * Acknowledged and had a definite plan to replace the existing tooling
> > and practices at least at the same level as currently.
>
> Okay, cool. C
M
with virtio graphics:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2020438
I think I found an upstream report and patch, so I'm hoping Justin will
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ous manual work because I'd always find something less tedious to
do, and nobody else does it either, so the pages don't get updated.
Even *with* the script I only get around to updating them a few times
per release, but it beats them never getting updated at all.
I suppose the other way I'd support thi
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othing on my installed system
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and kexec-tools . If soft deps are enabled, either of those could be
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> Hi folks! Just wanted to give an update on Fedora 35 status and beg for
> testing :D
Just another quick update: RC1 is now building and will hopefully
arrive soon. There is one accepted blocker and two proposed blockers
not fixed
, at
https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/testcase_stats/35/Desktop.html we can
see that several of the desktop tests have not yet been run on aarch64;
it'd be great if anyone with an aarch64 system capable of running
Workstation could run those tests and add the results.
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#4 is odd as it seems to behave differently for different people at
different times; we haven't figured out the condition that causes the
'bad' state yet.
Nobody else appears to be trying to help. I'm not confident we are
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> On 9/29/21 3:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2021-09-29 at 16:04 +, Patrick McAfee wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > > => First time posting here. When I tried to install the beta on
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s the installer show you any kind of crash report
interface, or does it just flat out disappear? If it just goes away,
we'll probably need to see what's in the various installer log files in
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a Blocker Review Meeting
works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out
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- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
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to repeat tests that
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aren't handled through the release blocker process. An FTBFS package is
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ease-blocking desktop, if the user account does
> not have its own keyboard layout configuration for that desktop (if there
> is such a user/desktop-specific configuration, it must be used when that
> user logs in to that desktop)
>
>
> Please comment, thank
nager", not "stop testing archive
management". Just greying out the line for "archive manager" on
Workstation seems to risk the bad outcome. Could we perhaps keep the
line and add a footnote that specifies the "archive manager" role on
Workstation is fulfilled by Naut
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On Fri, 2021-09-17 at 09:34 +0200, Kamil Paral wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 7:17 PM Adam Williamson
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> > On Wed, 2021-08-25 at 11:33 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 11:03 AM Kamil Paral wrote:
> > > > Or if we want to
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maybe propose an adjustment next week. In the mean time, I'll propose
the bug we have in F35 Beta as a blocker for review at the meeting
tomorrow. Thanks!
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r the install and reboot are done; just like it does with wired. Is
> that likely or am I having a peasent dream?
I'm having trouble parsing your email, but as far as I can tell, it
reads like at no point did you actually try to connect to a wireless
network in the installer. But then your con
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(gnome-control-center etc.)
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> ACTION: QA to verify FEDORA-2021-d169e03b3f
I already did, but extra confirmation would be handy.
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lways measure and compare it with a second+ boot.
Yeah, I would be in favour of making the language as vague as we want
the evaluation to be. If it specifies an exact time, we should be able
to measure it with a stopwatch. If we can't, let's just say "within a
reasonable time" or something vague
-one really objected to this proposal, right? Should we just go
ahead and implement it, or what?
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On Mon, 2021-08-23 at 17:17 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:50:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
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> > #fedora-meeting: Fedora QA meeting
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If anyone has any other items for the agenda, please reply to this
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== Proposed Agenda Topics ==
1. Previous meeting follow-up
2. Fedora 35 status and Change check-in
3. Test Day / community event status
4. Open floor
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