Re: Adding GNOME ....

2014-11-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (adamw...@fedoraproject.org) said: 1) Workstation is set up rather differently to the other desktop-y products/environments. There's rather an overlap between the 'workstation-product' group and the 'gnome-desktop' group. I'd sort of expect the

Re: Criterion revision proposal: KDE default applications

2013-12-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
. If you're saying it's releng and FESCo's responsibility to fix that, then as a releng and FESCo member, I'll fix it... commit f349ff05510a1f60cb43470cb544d55136c837c3 (HEAD, f20) Author: Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com Date: Fri Dec 13 12:22:39 2013 -0500 Drop KDE from the DVD, to avoid blocker

Re: [SPAM] [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 20 Alpha!

2013-09-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: On Tue, 2013-09-24 at 19:51 -0700, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 09/24/2013 07:46 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-09-24 at 17:08 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Łukasz Posadowski (m...@lukaszposadowski.pl) said: Fedora, you did

Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

2013-09-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: I don't think all packages are the same when it comes to bug reporting. Speaking just for GNOME, I will say that getting feedback (in the form of bugs and crash reports) from rawhide and the 'next' branch during the development cycle is pretty

Re: [SPAM] [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 20 Alpha!

2013-09-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Łukasz Posadowski (m...@lukaszposadowski.pl) said: Fedora, you did it again. :) But I hoped you would remember this time: 5 gigs do not fit on a single DVD. Oh yes, happy birthday. Already filed in bugzilla, not considered an alpha blocker. Bill -- test mailing list

Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

2013-09-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jan Wildeboer (jwild...@redhat.com) said: How will you track blocker bugs? How can we see a global view of all open bugs? Aggregate from X upstream bug report systems? Which not all are Bugzilla? How can we track critical bugs? Additional concerns I'd have above this: - Not all things

Re: Licensing? Was: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) said: On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Eric Blake ebl...@redhat.com wrote: Given the current state of the art, all known UEFI implementations for VMs require the use of a FAT driver whose license forbids redistribution for general purpose use, which

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: These packages still exist, and haven't been removed or renamed as far as I can tell. Yum does not appear able to find them... do you think this is a local problem? No, they're arch-specific. (geode is 32-bit x86, omap is ARM.) Bill -- test

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: No, they're arch-specific. (geode is 32-bit x86, omap is ARM.) That makes sense. Should yum understand this better? I mean, should the group list specify architecture dependencies: some packages are needed for one architecture, others needed

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: I still find the (maybe my own peculiar) F20 situation confusing. For example: I do not know for sure, but it's entirely possible that installing when there was both the group and the environment with the same name could have left your system in

Re: environment group 'KDE Plasma Workspaces'

2013-09-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: I believe the KDE environment is installed on my up-to-date F20 machine, but yum group list does not show it is installed. Suspecting it might not be *completely* installed, I tried to install it and yum complained: Warning: environment KDE

Re: [Fedora-spins] Proposal: Spins process amendment for Fedora 20 cycle

2013-07-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Fenzi (ke...@scrye.com) said: Each approved spin MUST have at least 2 people fill in the Basic spin test matrix for at least 1 TC or RC. If the image fails, maintainers can try again at the next milestone, but the image is NOT shipped for that milestone. if an image doesn't get 2 people

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
- We have both js and mozjs17. js is still used by gjs, libpeas, libproxy-mozjs and gnome-shell. Possible savings: 7M I thought Colin was fixing everything to use mosjz17. Is that a F-20 thing? Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 18:04:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: rpm db 82M I vaguely remember a discussion about dropping this for live images because it gets rebuilt every boot when needed. My memory is that we ended up

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: It's not a reason not to 'have a feature', but it may be a reason not to implement a feature in a particular way. There are probably a thousand questions we could ask at the first stage of install that would allow various small groups of people to

Re: grub2 boot problems after updating to grub2-tools-2.00-20 and grub2-2.00-20

2013-06-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Jones (pjo...@redhat.com) said: For new installs, we're not using the theme at all - right now anaconda isn't setting GRUB_THEME at all, ever. For old installs, you'll want to install starfield. I'm not really sure what to do about this to make old installs work - we don't want to

Re: Most latest mirrors for fedora

2013-06-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: Note that the situation with sssd is a bit complex. The broken update was submitted for updates-testing on 06-12 at 12:01, and pushed to updates-testing on 06-12 at 12:41. It was then marked to be 'unpushed' - i.e. taken off the mirrors - on 06-13

Re: Rawhide heads up - Expect yum problems

2013-05-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 20:38:01 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: It looks like there is an issue with yum-3.4.3-88.fc20 not working properly, blocking updates. I have filed a but report (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958531)

Re: Rawhide heads up - Expect yum problems

2013-05-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 11:20:59 -0400, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Sorry about that. Patch attached in bz, can build if people want. I tested the patch and it worked for me. It would be nice if someone would do a build today so

Re: system-config-lvm

2013-04-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
Clyde E. Kunkel (clydekunkel7...@verizon.net) said: system-config-lvm is not in F19 or F20 at present. Will it be or is it being dropped? What replaces it? As a graphcial configuration tool for storage, palimpset/gnome-disk-utility. Note that this may not do LVM directly at this time. Bill

Re: Basic X Window System option present in smoke12 netinst, missing on DVD

2013-01-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 14:02 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Andre Robatino (robat...@fedoraproject.org) said: Starting with smoke12 ( https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/qa/20121221_f18-smoke12/ ), the Basic X option under Software

Re: Fedora 18 issues with translations and keymaps

2013-01-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: In addition to those bugs, we have fairly significant regressions in the completeness of anaconda translations between Fedora 16 and Fedora 18 (the numbers for F17 for some languages are weird - a lot of languages show 55% completion for F17 but

Re: An arbitrarily sized /tmp does not fit all

2012-12-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) said: Check the filesystem -- it's in RAM by default using tmpfs, and tmpfs defaults to a size of half of physical ram. To disable and go back to haivng it be part of /, sudo systemctl mask tmp.mount To change the limit while leaving it

Re: post install very slooow

2012-11-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Mike Chambers (m...@mtchambers.com) said: But I in no way have a reason to have more than 1 linux system, and 1 windows system on 2 HD's. What in the hell do you use all those OS's for and do you *really* need/use them? Or do you offer those for commercial use or something? Just curious,

Re: Install didn't bring in libreoffice-langpack-en

2012-11-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: Just did a test kickstart install of F18. Used the @libreoffice group for package selection, but I didn't get libreoffice-langpack-en installed. Anyone know why? What version of anaconda lorax were in the tree you installed from? (This just had

Re: Install didn't bring in libreoffice-langpack-en

2012-11-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: On 11/09/2012 12:00 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: Just did a test kickstart install of F18. Used the @libreoffice group for package selection, but I didn't get libreoffice-langpack-en installed. Anyone

Re: Full, current F18 tree to rsync?

2012-10-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Cole Robinson (crobi...@redhat.com) said: Up until recently this was a full install tree, including the images/ subdir. This makes it easy to use the tree for PXE (like using cobbler import) or URL installs in virt-manager. Now, though, current trees only have Packages/ repodata/ and

Re: Adding Group KDE Desktop missing package?

2012-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rex Dieter (rdie...@math.unl.edu) said: Ed Greshko wrote: Installed the latest F18 Alpha with GNOME as the default desktop. Updated, and then did a group install of KDE Desktop. kmix wasn't included. Oversight? Intentional? Definitely not intentional, there are some

Re: [criteria update] Package set

2012-09-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 22:38 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said: There is no default 'package set' now (by design, it's not a bug). This *is* a bug IMO. We should have reasonable defaults and allow the user

Re: [criteria update] Package set

2012-09-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said: There is no default 'package set' now (by design, it's not a bug). This *is* a bug IMO. We should have reasonable defaults and allow the user to change them if he wants. But we should not force the user to make choices that way. A user would have to know

Re: [criteria update] Package set

2012-09-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: On 09/06/2012 09:40 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: Johann, I don't really understand your point. The term 'default package set' no longer exists in Fedora 18. Unless yum groups have been removed in F18 I dont see how the term default package set

Re: [criteria update] Package set

2012-09-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: On 09/06/2012 01:02 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: On 09/06/2012 09:40 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: Johann, I don't really understand your point. The term 'default package set' no longer exists in Fedora

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha Test Compose 5 (TC5) Available Now!

2012-09-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
also ask the comps maintainer (Bill Nottingham) to give one of them commit privileges to comps for the purpose of keeping the mate group up to date, I believe this is standard procedure (we make sure someone from the maintenance group for each desktop has comps access). comps is open to packager

Re: rawhide report: 20120710 changes

2012-07-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Fedora Rawhide Report (rawh...@fedoraproject.org) said: Compose started at Tue Jul 10 08:15:02 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [gnucash] gnucash-2.4.10-4.fc17.x86_64 requires libofx.so.4()(64bit) [grisbi]

Re: Dreadfull flash fullscreen performance when using GRUB_TERMINAL=gfxterm

2012-07-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Sandro Mani (manisan...@gmail.com) said: Hi, I have noticed that when using GRUB_TERMINAL=gfxterm (that is, the default option, which I think is gfxterm), full-screen flash performance is bad (on a 1440x900 screen it is barely ok, on a 1920x1200 screen it's terrible). But if I put

Re: will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?

2012-07-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (robat...@fedoraproject.org) said: The package set on the DVD is currently chosen to allow essentially everything to be installed at once (with transient exceptions such as samba3/4), hence the repoclosure and file conflicts tests. If the installer itself is going to make this

Re: will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?

2012-07-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: Perhaps it is the GNOME/X-server example, which seems to be precisely what package dependencies handle, that obscures the point you want to make. Except, they don't. The desktops do not require an X server; they could be run remotely. The

Re: Weird Firefox performance issue

2012-05-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Kamens (j...@kamens.us) said: I restarted Firefox many times. I restarted gnome-shell. I restarted my machine. Nothing helped. Performance was poor immediately after the restart. There was no perceivable degradation over time -- it was extremely poor right from when it started up and

Re: Karma needed for builds intended for TC1

2012-04-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 09:41:40 -0600, Tim Flink tfl...@redhat.com wrote: EFI still uses grub instead of grub2 so you'd still be using grub-legacy if your system is using EFI. My questions is how do you get grub installed? Since grub2 obsoletes it,

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: If I plug it in while I'm logged in, it shows up. I log out and log back in, and it still shows up. If I reboot, plug it in during GDM, and then log in... it shows up. Under what circumstance does it not show up for you? Aha, for this last one

Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER

2012-04-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Kamens (j...@kamens.us) said: It is absurdly unpredictable that if I stick a DVD in my drive after logging in, it is mounted underneath /run/media/$USER, but if my computer than crashes, or I reboot it by hand, and I log in immediately after the reboot, that DVD is no longer mounted.

Re: future of Fedora and Python???

2012-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) said: _*The FUTURE of Python is upon us now! When will we catch up...*_ yum search python3. Right, we ship both 2.7.x and 3.x versions of python. python 2.7.x will be retired when all the software that uses python2 can be ported to python 3. Much like gtk2

Re: SYSFONT kernel parameter?

2012-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Horsley (horsley1...@gmail.com) said: In previous releases the /etc/sysconfig/i18n file and the SYSFONT boot parameter named a console font. I've just installed f17 alpha and they both just say SYSFONT=True That looks wrong. It should be a font name (such as latarcyrheb-sun16, or

Re: New criterion for installation with minimal set of packages

2012-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Petr Schindler (pschi...@redhat.com) said: Yeah. As far as QA is concerned, the key questions are 'is there a minimal package set present, does an install with that package set complete properly, does it boot'. What's *in* it is not really our concern. So new beta criteria should be:

Re: New criterion for installation with minimal set of packages

2012-01-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 10:52 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Petr Schindler (pschi...@redhat.com) said: Yeah. As far as QA is concerned, the key questions are 'is there a minimal package set present, does an install with that package set

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Martin Langhoff (martin.langh...@gmail.com) said: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com wrote: Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The directories /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks:  /bin → /usr/bin Interesting!

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jef Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) said: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: I suppose I could add in the i386 repo... Is this just a side effect of the special repository structure? For rawhide itself, once tagged in, would the 32bit packages be

Re: F17's usrmove and rpmfusion?

2012-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rob Healey (robheal...@gmail.com) said: Can anyone tell me if rpmfusion's rawhide packages have been updated yet for rpm guard? Given that, at best, rpmfusion builds against rawhide/branched Fedora, and that the converted packages only live in the side repository at the moment... no. It's not

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Martin Langhoff (martin.langh...@gmail.com) said: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Assuming /bin - /usr/bin link is packaged, yes. Wow, it follows the symlink created by a 3rd package. Technically, the link doesn't even need to be packaged; as long

Re: F17's usrmove and rpmfusion?

2012-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@gmail.com) said: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Rob Healey (robheal...@gmail.com) said: Can anyone tell me if rpmfusion's rawhide packages have been updated yet for rpm guard? Given that, at best, rpmfusion builds against

Re: 32 bit Verne doesn't grok rc.local

2011-11-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R (c...@omen.com) said: For years I have used /etc/rc.d/rc.local for this and that including launching VNC screens. [root@gpib rc.d]# cat rc.local su -l caf -c vncserver su -l root -c vncserver date | mail -s boot c...@omen.com rc.local is

Re: how to get gnome classic with compiz as boot session option?

2011-10-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Benjamin Kosnik (b...@redhat.com) said: Just got TC2 to install correctly on macbook pro. Details here: http://sunglint.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/fedora-16-vs-macbook-pro-or-air/ On my older F16 installs, there was a boot option to use the GNOME3 compat session. However, in the newer

Re: Remove a package from critpath ?

2011-09-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: Xavier Bachelot (xav...@bachelot.org) said: However, I've again received crit path updates nag mails saying the F14 and F15 updates still needs to be approved. The crit path box is still ticked for all fedora branches in the pkgdb(1). Also

Re: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.dFHsbt: line 1: [: missing `]'

2011-09-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (robat...@fedoraproject.org) said: Look at the scripts for the packages in your transaction (rpm -q --scripts ...), audit them for syntax errors. Finally found that on Rawhide, it was simple-scan, already reported as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733532 . On

Re: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.dFHsbt: line 1: [: missing `]'

2011-09-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (robat...@fedoraproject.org) said: On today's 20110921 Rawhide updates, I got this error running yum --skip-broken distro-sync during the cleanup. I've seen this several times over the last few weeks, on F16 as well I think. The message itself is completely useless, since

Re: Remove a package from critpath ?

2011-09-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Xavier Bachelot (xav...@bachelot.org) said: However, I've again received crit path updates nag mails saying the F14 and F15 updates still needs to be approved. The crit path box is still ticked for all fedora branches in the pkgdb(1). Also, the package is not listed anymore in crit path

Re: Remove a package from critpath ?

2011-09-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Xavier Bachelot (xav...@bachelot.org) said: Meanwhile, If I understand correctly, all X drivers inherit critpath because they are required by xorg-x11-drivers which is itself a critpath package. So either xorg-x11-drivers stops requiring the non-critpath drivers, which is probably not

Re: Broken dependencies with Fedora 14 + updates-testing - 2011-09-13

2011-09-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Gianluca Sforna (gia...@gmail.com) said: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: == Broken packages in fedora-14-x86_64:    rawstudio-1.2-6.fc14.20100907svn3521.i686  requires  

Re: Update to gdm-3.1.90-1 and/or gdm-plugin-fingerprint-3.1.90-1 break the gdm login

2011-09-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Joachim Backes (joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de) said: Hi, after having updated to gdm-3.1.90-1 and gdm-plugin-fingerprint-3.1.90-1 the login fails (error: Oh no! Something has gone wrong). Disabling the gnome-shell-extensions (as proposed) is useless in this situation. Anybody has the

Re: persistent gnome dep problems (F16 alpha rc3-5, alpha), --skip-broken wants to haul in 32-bit libs

2011-08-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Corbet (corbet...@lwn.net) said: - Somewhere in the middle, while I'm not looking, the update kills the running session and/or X server - I come back to a login screen. It used to be safe to run yum update from a terminal window, but, seemingly, not anymore. Not really a

Re: persistent gnome dep problems (F16 alpha rc3-5, alpha), --skip-broken wants to haul in 32-bit libs

2011-08-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 11:35 +0200, Jurgen Kramer wrote: I have not seen any mention of this on the list so far so here it goes. I've been seeing gnome dep problems for the last few days (through alpha rc's and now alpha). Error: Protected

Re: rawhide report -- where and when?

2011-07-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rob Healey (robheal...@gmail.com) said: Is this really two days in a row of no Rawhide Report? Well, when there's two days of no rawhide trees... Fixing. Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Info on lack of rawhide composes?

2011-07-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 07:39:39 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: This looks to be the third day in a row without a rawhide composes. Is there any information available on what is happening? Are there build logs like there are for the

Re: Rawhide, What component? password level 3

2011-06-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Joachim Backes (joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de) said: On 06/07/2011 11:15 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Booting to telinit 3, login: user password: password comes up in cleattext. Does anyone else see this? I had this effect in early F15 (alpha/beta) times, but now I got rid from this.

Re: Proposal: Too similar application names

2011-06-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) said: The optional executable name should always be available. However these details are really 'upstream' aren't they? Yeah, changing how the various desktop's launchers work is an upstream decision (in fact, changing what things are named in desktop

Re: F-15 Branched report: 20110515 changes

2011-05-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said: Lately, I've been trying to resolve as many of these as reasonably possible. Here's what I know: Note that the applet issues should be obsoleted by the gnome-panel in updates-testing, slated for 0-day. I have not blocked the packages, because most of

Re: systemd question

2011-05-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Horsley (horsley1...@gmail.com) said: I've been fooling with the systemctl (unfortunately similar to the sysctl name) tool, and I see units for all the devices on my system with long names something like sys-pci-yadda-yadda.device. I have occasionally wanted the ability to make some

glibc-2.13.90-12 needs testing - re-adds RPC API

2011-05-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Notably, this re-adds the RPC API to glibc's exported interface, so please test that rebuilding your applications still works, or works again. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/glibc-2.13.90-12 Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: Syslog not running?

2011-05-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Laska (jla...@redhat.com) said: According to the bug this is being ignored as a vital issue as it does not clearly hit any release criteria. Ignored is not the correct term. It was requested as a nice-to-have for F15 ... and it fell off the maintainers radar. Also, it seems I

Re: ntpdate.service

2011-05-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Clyde E. Kunkel (clydekunkel7...@cox.net) said: I am wondering why ntpdate.service is enabled in systemd when updating the clock via the network time service was never requested? It was a bug in the %post script, AFAICT. I've submitted an update that should fix this for upgrades from F-14,

Re: groupinstall Window\ Managers

2011-05-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
cornel panceac (cpanc...@gmail.com) said: sorry i was gone for a few days but, if this is normal, then what's the point of the group? i thought having groups is an easy way to install many related packages with one groupinstall command. The problem is the usage case here - while there's a

Re: Focus-follows-mouse in Gnome-shell?

2011-05-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Horsley (horsley1...@gmail.com) said: Afaik it's not exposed in the tweak tool UI. Just set the key /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode to either sloppy or mouse (there used to be a difference between these two but I don't see it anymore in 2.34). This certainly confuses me. I

Re: Well, I have tried systemd now ...

2011-04-29 Thread Bill Nottingham
Karel Volný (kvo...@redhat.com) said: (which is ?) - I'd be interested too ... last time I've met this was some form of not-so-thin client setup, where the machines weren't able to boot completely from network for some reason, so that they had basic system installed on them and

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) said: Now this: http://gnome3.org/ A satisfying experience, whatever kind of computer you use: GNOME 3 will feel right at home on netbooks as well as larger machines Really ? Like servers. workstations, PCs, notebooks ? Used by RH enterprise customers,

Re: Well, I have tried systemd now ...

2011-04-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michal Jaegermann (mic...@harddata.com) said: Well, Lennart says explicitely that with systemd and /usr mounted on its own file system things like audio, or printing or plug'n'play will not work and that he does not care as they were broken anyway. Maybe in some of his warped universe as I

Re: Well, I have tried systemd now ...

2011-04-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michal Jaegermann (mic...@harddata.com) said: Essentially, you have to ensure that everything called during the boot cycle up until the point that /usr is mounted, In Fedora 14 instead of weird excuses you run in /etc/init.d/udev-post /sbin/udevadm trigger --type=failed --action=add

Re: postfix versus sendmail

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Tom Horsley (horsley1...@gmail.com) said: Just curious why sendmail is still the default on f15? Inertia. No one has yet cared about this enough to overcome the rash of complaints discussion that such a change would entail. Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: groupinstall Window\ Managers

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
cornel panceac (cpanc...@gmail.com) said: # yum groupinstall Window\ Managers ... Warning: Group window-managers does not have any packages. No packages in any requested group available to install or update It doesn't have any *default* packages. yum

Re: Fallback mode further hosed?

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: Did gnome-panel recently switch backend to gsettings or something? That was the first explanation that popped into my head when I read the symptoms. Yes. Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: Well, I've tried GNOME 3 now...

2011-04-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
(drifting way off-topic for test@, at this point...) Gregory Maxwell (gmaxw...@gmail.com) said: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: http://git.gnome.org/ http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ The beautiful thing about open source is that you always

Re: Gnome 3 Calendar

2011-04-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: The Gnome3 Calendar seems to require Evolution. Is there a way to use some other calendar program (e.g., Thunderbird with Lightning) or to link it directly to a Google calendar? The old panel based clock applet used evolution as well. Nothing

Re: Suspend/hibernate on systems that don't suspend/resume or hibernate properly

2011-04-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Fabian A. Scherschel (f...@sixgun.org) said: How can I choose hibernate if it isn't exposed? Sorry, I was referring to the power management settings for suspend key/critical battery settings, etc. Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: systemd: how to list enabled services

2011-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ian Pilcher (arequip...@gmail.com) said: According to the wiki, chkconfig should work with systemd. Doesn't it? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#Does_chkconfig_command_work_with_systemd.3F Running chkconfig --list prints this warning: Note: This output shows SysV services only

Re: systemd: how to list enabled services

2011-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: on and off map to systemctl enable whereas chkconfig would set the service on and off in certain runlevels. So they're now more similar to chkconfig --add. Not exactly. chkconfig --add doesn't change the state of the service, unless it hasn't been

Re: systemd wiki page and FAQ

2011-03-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) said: I recommend posting to systemd mailing list or filing a RFE. init q would be useless in systemd since /etc/inittab is not used anymore. init q still works, in the same manner as sysvinit - it tells systemd to reload its configuration. Bill -- test

Re: Network control

2011-02-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
A.J. Werkman (aj.werk...@digifarma.nl) said: 1.http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html 2.http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-2.html 3.http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html 4.http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html

Re: rawhide Report--2011 Feb 17

2011-02-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rob Healey (robheal...@gmail.com) said: Is there going to be no rawhide report for today??? Compose crashed, so, no. (rawhide gets composed in a rawhide chroot. Occasionally things happen.) Bill -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Re: NOPL instruction back in Rawhide?

2011-02-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (robat...@fedoraproject.org) said: I believe the original issue was caused by binutils inserting the instruction when the assembler was called with i686 optimizations. The fix that was added to prior releases was to change glibc to not call the assembler that way, as

Re: NOPL instruction back in Rawhide?

2011-02-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (robat...@fedoraproject.org) said: Checking recent Koji glibc.i686 builds, the latest one (2.13.90-1 for Rawhide from Jan. 25) appears to be the only one with the problem. The two earlier builds (2.12.90-21.fc15 for Rawhide from Dec. 21, and 2.13-1 for F14 from Jan. 20) don't

Re: NOPL instruction back in Rawhide?

2011-02-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: I re-opened the old bug and linked it against F15Alpha blocker bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=579838 The Version should be rawhide. I was surprised that the Component was changed from glibc to binutils - do you know if

Re: rawhide report: 20110127 changes

2011-01-27 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rawhide Report (rawh...@fedoraproject.org) said: Compose started at Thu Jan 27 08:15:33 UTC 2011 Please ignore any and all errors from this message; there was a failure in creating the repository repodata, which led to the assorted issues seen here. Bill -- test mailing list

Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

2011-01-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: How about this for a proposal: Have gnome shell obsolete gnome-panel 2.90 and require gnome-panel, metacity (since it needs these for fall back). I think that will do what you want. (Note there isn't a 2.9x version of metacity, so you obsoleting

Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

2011-01-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: I mostly agree but the difference in this case there is essentially a fork as the newer interface won't work on all devices that the old one previously did so you have circumstances where it just won't work or will crash horribly even on devices

Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

2011-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) said: Does anyone have any other workarounds? gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true Note that nautilus seems to crash when the key is changed while it is running, so do it before starting nautilus. If this is the sort

Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

2011-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: gnome-shell should not end up being a space problem, if it is you'd be worried where the user is supposed to store his/here data ... On something like an XO-1 where it only has 1gb of storage anything extra removes space for user data. And

Re: cannot boot beyond runlevel 1

2011-01-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michal Jaegermann (mic...@harddata.com) said: To be clear, as I alluded to in my previous replies, none of my (100+) OS installations has rhgb or quiet on any kernel line in any stanza I ever use, Then I am at loss how to explain that you may miss Press 'I' to enter interactive

Re: rawhide time travels

2010-11-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Clyde E. Kunkel (clydekunkel7...@cox.net) said: I noticed something interesting - everytime I boot my rawhide, my system clock goes one hour ahead. Anyone else see this? My clock keeps going to UTC on each reboot no matter what I do. System-config-date seems to work, then on a

Re: rawhide time travels

2010-11-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michal Jaegermann (mic...@harddata.com) said: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 03:16:46PM -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: My clock keeps going to UTC on each reboot no matter what I do. That will be likely effects of a call to hwclock in /etc/init.d/halt. What did you put in

Re: F14 openbox upgrade requires metacity - wtf???

2010-10-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michael Cronenworth (m...@cchtml.com) said: It's almost certianly to own the directory... s-c-keyboard should be fixed to just dual-own it. There's a bug[1] as old as 2007 open for this. Who would be the right people to poke to fix this simple spec issue? There's a Fedora one[2] open

Re: Fedora 14 updates-testing report

2010-10-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michael Schwendt (mschwe...@gmail.com) said: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:11:36 +, upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 14 updates-testing liberation-fonts-1.06.0.20100721-2.fc14 liberation-fonts-1.06.0.20100721-3.fc14 bodhi

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