Re: I don't believe what I just saw ...

2014-12-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:23:12 -0600 Ian Pilcher wrote: Am I crazy? Anyone else seen this? Expected behavior? Yep. Happened to someone here at work with CentOS 7 I believe. One of the many reasons I would never in a million years use a shared /boot :-). If I want to multi-boot, I use a stand

Re: I don't believe what I just saw ...

2014-12-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:14:01 -0600 Ian Pilcher wrote: As I just posted in the bug, the one thing I still don't understand is whether this is intentional (and if so, why) or a bug. Yea, why should it ever rebuild any initramfs for any reason if they are already there unless it has specific

Re: I don't believe what I just saw ...

2014-12-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:08:48 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: It's intentional. See the bug. Yea, I saw the bug and that's what confused me :-). The initramfs file already exists. What reason is there for a mass rebuild? I didn't see anything in the bug that explained that. -- test mailing list

Re: No F21 on Intel BIOS RAID? Workaround?

2014-12-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:21:49 -0600 Ian Pilcher wrote: Short of major surgery (pulling the RAID drives, breaking the RAID, etc.), can anyone think of a way to get F21 installed on this system? Well, if it is strictly an anaconda problem, you could install inside a virtual machine, then copy the

Re: wrong resolution in Fedora 21 beta

2014-11-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:16:09 -0500 Frank wrote: I think I have UXA in my xorg.conf file already but I will check after I reboot out of Windows :) Of course, on my fedora 20 system, I have to explicitly turn on SNA because the default UXA was giving me video playback that looked like it

Re: Shouldn't this work?

2014-11-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 11:10:04 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: I thought I read that support for Maxwell (I think its maxwell :-) was in the latest nouveau and mesa. Is the latest not in f21? Is it a bug that it doesn't work? (I just get a black screen on my UHD monitor with display port

Shouldn't this work?

2014-11-04 Thread Tom Horsley
I just tried the f21 beta workstation live iso, and the poor old nouveau driver apparently can't run this card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2) I thought I read that support for Maxwell (I think its maxwell :-) was in the latest nouveau

Re: Phoronix likes Fedora 21

2014-10-16 Thread Tom Horsley
Yep. I installed F21 branched even before the alpha was released on my desktop at work to check out the support for my video card (which limps in f20 with the random rawhide bits from rpmfusion I needed), and it works fine as near as I can tell. No problems that I've noticed when testing it and

Re: updated kernel not used by default

2014-09-14 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:08:24 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: So I run each of those manually, interlaced with grub2-editenv list. Nothing changes Maybe you could arrange to make grubenv immutable and see when someone barfs trying to write it? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Proposing new dual booting release criteria

2014-09-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:16:18 -0400 Gene Czarcinski wrote: Personally, I do not use os-prober and prefer to create /etc/grub.d/40_custom files which use configfile to chain-load other configuration files. Me too, which is why I really really wish I could tell anaconda to create the grub2

Re: What's wrong with Fedora 21 GNOME?

2014-08-27 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:06:47 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: - systemd is stuck in a loop waiting for 4-5 items, such as devices during shutdown or reboot - no patience to wait for more than two minutes! One of the issues I once ran into was the network going down before the NFS filesystems

Re: Proposing new dual booting release criteria

2014-08-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:23:55 -0500 Michael Catanzaro wrote: We currently do not have any release criterion that applies to dual booting with other Linux systems. Certainly one thing that could simplify this is an option to go ahead and install the grub rpms and configure the

default kernel

2014-08-18 Thread Tom Horsley
I got a kernel update in my F21 Branched system recently, and I just noticed that the default boot is still set to the original kernel. There is all kinds of cryptic gibberish in grub.cfg dealing with the environment file and saved entries so I can't even tell exactly where the heck the default

Re: default kernel

2014-08-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 14:28:45 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: If you were using a PAE kernel So I guess on a 64bit system it is essentially meaningless :-). -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Consistent names changed yet again?

2014-08-06 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:55:55 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: consistent on the same machine for a given OS release, _across any possible hardware changes_ Maybe, but I know I watched the interface names change just because a new version of bisodevname was released before biosdevname was engulphed

Dashes all over screen?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom Horsley
Out of curiosity I installed Fedora 21 Branched to see if nouveau supported the GeForce GTX 750 Ti (GM107-A) video card in 3840x2160 resolution on my Samsung U28D590 UHD monitor. It seems to load nouveau, but nouveau decides it doesn't support this card (I guess), anyway it falls back on VESA,

Re: Dashes all over screen?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:05:51 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: I guess I didn't have a lot of hope for the nouveau driver, and this video card, but the dashes all over the screen seem weird enough to mention on the list:-). Perhaps even stranger, after rebooting a couple of times, this stopped

nouveau working on GTX 750Ti (maxwell)?

2014-07-22 Thread Tom Horsley
Is anyone running an nvidia maxwell card with the nouveau driver on the fedora 21 branch these days? Poking around on the nouveau web site, I get the impression that all the versions of mesa/drm/xorg/kernel are up to the min level required for nouveau maxwell support. I just wonder if it really

Re: Bug 499836: It's back

2013-06-22 Thread Tom Horsley
The p8z77-vle plus BIOS does not seem to have a problem with this keyboard. I have the opposite problem with one of my systems. About 60% of the time a USB keyboard can't get the BIOS's attention, and I have to dig out an old ps/2 keyboard if I want to get into the BIOS. Every once in a while

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 04:22:39 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: Furthermore, I require maximum installation time configurability. No live media installer I've ever tried has offered anything remotely close to meeting this requirement. Well, Fedora 19 solves your problem then, since the full installer

Delta rpm times and reliability?

2013-06-19 Thread Tom Horsley
Is it my imagination, or is it taking fantastically longer in f19 to do the rebuild rpms from delta phase of yum update? It also seems like there are always a half dozen or so rpms that report deltas don't match and it has to download the whole thing. (The update I just did had dbus-libs and a

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:57:18 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: X forced DPI = 96 on displays natively 96 DPI causes a11y issues https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=974780 But you gotta be really careful :-). My Samsung TV I use as a display reports itself as 7 inches (it is really 46). If it

Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:51:09 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: You're drawing an erroneous conclusion from a sample of two displays. It is not always the case that larger displays have a higher native DPI than smaller displays. So we just need to all chip in and buy the anaconda developers one of

Re: F19 Installer a little better, but...

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:24:18 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: Its unintuitive logic has me pretty well baffled. Me too. My preferred install technique these days is to install into a nice new virtual machine where it can't screw anything up, then guestmount and rsync the virtual machine image to the

rescue mode is all that worked

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Horsley
Here's an odd one. I just did a minimal install of f19 TC3 from the netinst.iso. When I finally go around to trying to boot it, the normal kernel wouldn't boot. It would hang right after a bunch of messages about cache mode for all the disks. The rescue image did boot fine, and after running

Fedora 19 rescue?

2013-06-13 Thread Tom Horsley
I just installed a bunch of updates on my Fedora 19 partition, and now the new default kernel is Fedora 19 Rescue? Is that really what was intended? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: F19 installer not giving an option for English GB (or UK)

2013-06-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:34:10 +1200 Gavin Flower wrote: On the software selection spoke, you can select broad categories, but you can't pick chose within those categories. Yea, even on the old system, I just gave up. I install minimal to get up and running as fast as possible, then use yum to

Re: F19 Installer a little better, but...

2013-06-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:25:29 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: It is very useful if you want to be absolutely sure that a given disk will not be used at all But a option in the tree view to say Protect this disk from any changes would work as well, and also give you the opportunity to actually

Re: F19 Installer a little better, but...

2013-06-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:09:02 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: Actually, just calling it Next instead of Done would help a lot to provide some hope that you might eventually get to select partitions :-). Like I said, that's exactly what it was labeled before, and people didn't like that

Re: F19 Installer a little better, but...

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:09:47 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: They will be left untouched until you click on the main menu's Begin Installation button. Yea, but then what happens? You still have no idea. we tried two other layouts before this one and people found both of those confusing too

Re: what could screw up login credentials? [selinux, that's what]

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:59:51 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: Check the logs for selinux errors or boot with selinux in permissive mode. You may need to relabel the filesystem. Yep, it was definitely selinux. I couldn't check the logs though because one of the services selinux prevented from

Anaconda grub install options?

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
Anyone know if there are plans to provide an option to anaconda so I can have it install all the needed files in /boot, but don't screw with the MBR? I have just setup a nice stand alone grub2 partition where I can do stuff like this: menuentry 'Fedora 19 via multiboot' { insmod

Re: Anaconda grub install options?

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:46:48 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: I've been installing Fedora sans bootloader ever since Grub Legacy was dropped from installation media. But how? What option did I not see in the installer? It seems to be determined to install grub2 and overwrite MBR with no way to

OK, How do I enable rsh now?

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
There are funny systemd rsh files now, not an /etc/xinetd.d/rsh script to edit, but it doesn't seem to be a real systemd service either. [Yes, yes, I know my hair will fall out and my teeth will turn blue if I use an insecure service like rsh - I don't care, OK?] -- test mailing list

Re: what could screw up login credentials? [selinux, that's what]

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:16:27 -0400 Daniel J Walsh wrote: Sounds like you had a labeling issue. No reason that SELinux should block starting syslog, unless the system was mislabeled. I'm sure I did - I installed gazillions of updates while booted into f18 by chrooting into the f19 partition to

Re: OK, How do I enable rsh now?

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:57:55 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: There are funny systemd rsh files now, not an /etc/xinetd.d/rsh script to edit, but it doesn't seem to be a real systemd service either. I finally found systemctl enable rsh.socket But now it only appears to accept connections

Re: OK, How do I enable rsh now?

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:54:07 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: But now it only appears to accept connections on localhost (and I don't really need a remote connection to localhost :-). Finally figured it out - it was only listening on IPv6. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=973348 -- test

Re: Anaconda grub install options?

2013-06-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:53:36 -0400 Chris Murphy wrote: The easier way to do this is to use one instance of GRUB 2 in the MBR gap, and then use configfile to load the grub.cfg for each distribution. Each distribution updates its respective grub.cfg when there are kernel updates, while

Re: os-prober and fd0?

2013-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 18:55:49 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: The way to achieve this, though, is to file a bug report. Could you do that? Thanks. Done: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=972670 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

Unicode and console font problem?

2013-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
I just installed f19 beta, picking minimal install, which does not install X - I just get a console login. The apostrophe-like thing in Schrödinger's cat (which prints in the login prompt) shows up as a white block (I do get the 'o' with the two little dots above it though). I also copied some

How does grub2 know what to boot?

2013-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
I just installed f19 beta, and it overwrote my MBR with grub2ness (as expected). But now I'm wondering - the actual installation of f19 is entirely on /dev/sda2 (including the /boot directory which is just a subdirectory of /, not a separate partition). My old f18 /dev/sda3 partition is the only

Re: How does grub2 know what to boot?

2013-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:46:21 +0300 Cristian Sava wrote: Sometime back I had a similar problem and I discovered that my old grub install (other partition) was used. Do you mind to check? I don't have an actual problem. It is definitely using the new install to boot from because it offers the

what could screw up login credentials?

2013-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
I had a working minimal install of f19. I booted f18 on the same machine to get work done, and in background installed a gazillion packages while chrooted into the f19 partition. Now when I try to boot f19, it tells me I have an invalid password for every user I try to login as :-(. I tried

Re: what could screw up login credentials?

2013-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:59:51 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: Check the logs for selinux errors or boot with selinux in permissive mode. You may need to relabel the filesystem. Good idea. I'll check that when I get back to work tomorrow. I usually turn off selinux, but I don't think I did that yet.

F19 Installer a little better, but...

2013-06-10 Thread Tom Horsley
...I'm still filled with trepidation when the only choice I appear to have is to click Done after selecting a disk to install on. I'm not Done :-). I want to pick partitions to install on, etc, but there is absolutely no indication you will have that chance unless you actually work up the nerve to

os-prober and fd0?

2013-06-09 Thread Tom Horsley
I'm waiting for the installing boot loader step of a net install of fedora 19 to finish (about 20 minutes now). Poking around in the various console screens, I see that it is running the os-prober script during the grub2 mkconfig. In the syslog, I see it getting gazillions of errors on device

vlan doesn't work?

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Horsley
I disabled NetworkManager, I enabled network, I copied in all my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files, but I don't get any networking on my fedora 19 install. I've got this box connected to a dd-wrt router doing tagged packets for vlan support, so the network setup is a tad complex :-).

Re: vlan doesn't work? [solved - missing /etc/sysconfig/network]

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:39:09 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: Anyone know what might be missing that prevents this stuff from working? Finally found it: There was no /etc/sysconfig/network file. The ifup initscript pukes when it can't find that file. I copied the one from fedora 18, and all my

Re: vlan doesn't work? [solved - missing /etc/sysconfig/network]

2013-06-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 13:02:31 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: Finally found it: There was no /etc/sysconfig/network file. And I see there is a bugzilla for this as well (which I couldn't find till I knew what the problem was :-). https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=972353 -- test mailing list

Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Horsley
I haven't tried editing any grub entries in my f18 system, but I did notice that f18 came with fancy gfx nonsense turned on. I wonder if deleting all the gfx junk from the config file and running grub with a plain old text console would allow editing to work? (Just a random thought). -- test

Re: Frequent evolution crashes anyone?

2013-01-06 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:51:30 +1100 Ankur Sinha wrote: Evolution has crashed 6 times between my earlier mail and this one. It's getting really difficult to use :(. I gave up completely on evolution years ago. Switched to claws-mail and never looked back. -- test mailing list

Re: What happened to autohint?

2012-12-26 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:24:28 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: Did you notice that after doing that you get the following warning when starting some applications from the command line? Fontconfig warning: /etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf, line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is

Re: Dying disk dilemma....

2012-12-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:15:50 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: So, it seems F18 is pretty close to stable and good to go for release soon. Rather than installing F17 I'm thinking I'll just go to F18 and go the distro-sync route. I just did a distro-sync this evening, and everything worked OK. The

What happened to autohint?

2012-12-22 Thread Tom Horsley
This bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=708525 was resolved for me when comment #4 described the incredibly useful technique of linking the 10-autohint.conf file into the /etc/fonts/conf.d/ directory. On fedora 18, I found the .conf files had moved, but I dug up the new location and

Re: What happened to autohint?

2012-12-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:48:24 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: What happened to the marvellous effect autohint used to have? Is there something new I have to jigger to get it turned on? Answering my own question after a bit of comparison between f18 and f17: Not only did the autohint file move

libguestfs versus selinux-policy dependency problem

2012-12-16 Thread Tom Horsley
I've been getting this yum error for a few days now: -- Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: 1:libguestfs-1.20.0-1.fc18.x86_64 (updates-testing) Requires: selinux-policy = 3.11.1-63 Installed: selinux-policy-3.11.1-62.fc18.noarch (@updates-testing)

Re: NetworkManager and VM Bridged Networking

2012-12-14 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:26:01 -0800 Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: This is \unfortunate\ as Lunix stopped being a useful server when I tried ro revert to the old network as suggested by the article. Really? I've never found anything that works correctly under NM, what server

Re: NetworkManager and VM Bridged Networking

2012-12-14 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:33:38 -0800 Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: If NM with its doppleganger ModemManager isn't as good as network, why is it in Fedora? My best guess is because a bunch of guys who spend all their time on laptops hopping from one Starbucks to another decided to write a

Re: Install along side Windows (blocker) bugs, 875944 and 885912

2012-12-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:52:46 -0500 Felix Miata wrote: Something should be done to get people to resize Windows Vista+ partitions in advance using Windows' own resizer, leaving the installer to just use freespace. The trouble with that is that the Windows resizer is not very good. I tried to

Failed login popup?

2012-12-06 Thread Tom Horsley
When the login screen comes up, I get a popup saying: Failed login from my system at work Anyone know where this comes from? I'd like to make it go away. It is always going to be caused by my system at work attempting to ssh into my system at home, and I haven't yet installed the proper ssh

safe install for fedora 18

2012-12-04 Thread Tom Horsley
I came up with a way to install fedora 18 on my main system without any worries that the cryptic partitioning interface might wind up wiping out my system. I liked it so much I may install fedora this way from now on. Here's my technique: 1. Install f18 in a brand new virtual machine. 2. Shutdown

libudev?

2012-12-04 Thread Tom Horsley
It wasn't long ago that I had to change several program to use libudev instead of libhal. Now in fedora 18 it says there is no libudev? What the heck is the flavor of the month now for querying hardware and how much different is it than libudev? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org

Rename anaconda to cryptoconda?

2012-12-01 Thread Tom Horsley
In many many years of installing all kinds of linux distros, I have never encountered a more baffling and cryptic screen than the one I ran into when I made the attempt to install Fedora 18 Beta from the DVD image: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882542 This has got to be the result

Re: yum-presto to get multicore support

2012-05-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 22 May 2012 10:45:37 + (UTC) Andre Robatino wrote: Jonathan Dieter just did a Rawhide build (yum-presto-0.8.0-1.fc18) that adds multicore support to yum-presto. Actually, what would be even more useful is to start the building of the rpms from the drpms as soon as the first drpm is

Re: yum-presto to get multicore support

2012-05-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:49:18 + (UTC) Andre Robatino wrote: Actually, what would be even more useful is to start the building of the rpms from the drpms as soon as the first drpm is fetched instead of waiting till all of them are fetched before starting the rebuilding. Are you

Re: Canon Bluetooth Calculator Mouse

2012-05-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 21 May 2012 08:13:52 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: Well, um, yes. Bluetooth is a standardized protocol (really, set of protocols), like USB. You've never taken a look at the hid-quirks.c file in the kernel have you? A gazillion lines of code to recognize all the USB devices with known

Re: [solved] Re: F17: LAN interface renamed from em1 to em15. Why?

2012-05-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 05 May 2012 11:48:54 +0200 Joachim Backes wrote: It seems the update of biosdevname to biosdevname-0.4.0-1.fc17.x86_64 was the culprit. After downgrading to biosdevname-0.3.11-6, the LAN device was renamed to em1. It sure is nice that the immutable constant name generator seems to

Re: GIMP 2.8

2012-05-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 03 May 2012 07:49:28 -0400 Jonathan Kamens wrote: The developer in question is perfectly happy with the idea that by remaining true to its vision, GIMP is going to drive away many users. Just another example of the Vogon Effect...

Re: Weird Firefox performance issue

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 01 May 2012 09:50:22 -0400 Jonathan Kamens wrote: Does anybody have any thoughts? My only thought is that firefox became popular mainly because it wasn't a slow bloated mess, now it has evolved into a slow bloated mess, and chrome is becoming popular because it isn't a slow bloated mess

Re: Dovecot

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Horsley
I'm running dovecot on Fedora 16. I seem unable to create new IMAP subfolders from clients; and this is possibly associated with the most recent dovecot update on F16. Yes I also ran into the above issue when I lost my backups (HD failed) and had to reinstall a workstation. I'm

Re: Palimsest discrepancy

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 01 May 2012 13:03:18 -0500 John Morris wrote: I depend on SMART being right enough so I can usually yank a failing drive before it goes so bad the worker can't login and use the machine. Of course, it was the SMART firmware on my Crucial SSD drive that made it break after 5184 hours

Re: Weird Firefox performance issue

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 1 May 2012 14:11:15 -0400 Bill Nottingham wrote: In my experience, extremely slow FF performance is usually due to writing out either the assorted sqlite data files in the profile directory, or the big javascript pile that is the session storage. I've got one really weird slowdown I

Re: Weird Firefox performance issue

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 01 May 2012 15:51:08 -0400 Adam Jackson wrote: - xulrunner maybe shouldn't assert PRIMARY ownership in this case That's the point for me: What on earth in the bookmarks sidebar needs or wants the selection? And it is a super long delay just in firefox. I can run other apps that really

Does a 90 second timeout strike a familiar note?

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On fedora 16 if I type reboot in a terminal, there is a 7 second delay from when I hit enter to when shutdown messages start scrolling on my screen (I have rhgb turned off). On fedora 17 if I type reboot in a terminal, there is a 1 minute and 37 second delay between enter and shutdown message

Re: Does a 90 second timeout strike a familiar note?

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Horsley
Anyone know what the heck is happening in those extra 90 seconds? OK, I found an earlier thread about systemd hanging on shutdown, and tried the experiment of doing sudo service network stop just before typing reboot, and fedora 17 then rebooted in about the same 7 seconds as fedora 16. I

Re: GIMP 2.8

2012-04-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:26:39 +0200 Karel Volný wrote: I hope there doesn't exist one more step before like in previous iteration, users were bad to us, so let's break some feature to do harm to them :-) I have yet another theory - what if it is deliberate sabotage by people who would profit

Re: GIMP 2.8

2012-04-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:35:58 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: I look a all these changes related to GIMP, systemd, GNOME 3, KDE 4, grub2 as challenges and an Alzheimer's avoidance strategy. I sorta do too. That's one of the reasons I started my Game Of Linux web pages :-).

Re: Grubs really aren't very attractive...

2012-04-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Bodhi Zazen wrote: The default is to install grub2 to the MBR. It will detect you OS and allow you to select which OS to boot. the grub2 os-prober is much better and, with the complexity of configuring grub2, most people go with the defaults. The os

Re: Whatever happened to the speedy Fedora boot?

2012-04-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:51:45 +0200 drago01 wrote: yum install systemd-analyze and then systemd-analye blame should tell you whom to blame. It should, but it doesn't always. I'm not sure what counts as blame in its eyes. A simpler technique is sometimes to just turn off the kernel rhgb

Re: Grubs really aren't very attractive...

2012-04-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Antonio Olivares wrote: Tom has worked it out, but I wonder if he has saved the changes in the /etc/grub2/default file so that updates won't mess any of his changes? That's the other beauty of a stand alone grub partition. I don't do any updates to it

Re: Grubs really aren't very attractive...

2012-04-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:32:48 +0100 Adam Williamson wrote: Are you sure you're not just talking about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804835 ? Sure. I'm just reading the writing on the wall :-). They spew messages about it being fragile, they require a --force option, there are old

firewalld versus old iptables setup?

2012-04-21 Thread Tom Horsley
I see in f17 that firewalld is the default and iptables and ip6tables are not enabled by default. So if I have an elaborate /etc/sysconfig/iptables file that has grown over the years to do all sorts of complicated stuff, how do I port it to firewalld? Is firewalld nice enough to just go ahead

Grubs really aren't very attractive...

2012-04-20 Thread Tom Horsley
I've just spend most of an evening getting a stand alone GRUB2 partition to work (if you can call it that) and I consider myself lucky I managed that much :-). Here's the fascinating fruit of my labors - a grub.cfg that can multi boot fedora 16, fedora 17, and memtest: set default=0 set

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:46:54 -0700 Dan Mashal wrote: Just use whatever the default options are for upgrading or replace existing linux system with all default options for now, That should do it. I'm not upgrading. I'm installing from scratch in a different partition. -- test mailing list

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
That's still notabug, I think. See my comment. Even if it wasn't, the fault isn't anaconda's. Then the bug should be moved to grub2, because it sure is a bug. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Re: Hey! Hard disk install of DVD iso works!

2012-04-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:05:42 +0100 Adam Williamson wrote: If grub2 isn't designed to be chainloaded in that way, it isn't. But it is supposed to work. I've already added a pointer to an upstream bug fixed not too long ago where blocklist booting was broken and the grub maintainers considered

Re: grubby vs. grub2-mkconfig

2012-04-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:49:46 +0200 (CEST) Adam Pribyl wrote: The only reason I know is, that people tend to modify grub.cfg manually, but with grub2 this is plain wrong anyway. Why do we support this messy setup then? Because the reverse is true - requiring a tool to modify grub.cfg is

Re: Fedora QA and Google Summer of Code 2012

2012-03-30 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:31:58 -0600 Tim Flink wrote: I think this has been discussed before, but the basic idea is to take fedora-easy-karma and add more information to it so that karma-giving isn't quite so intimidating and swapping back and forth between bodhi, koji, yum and repoinfo

Sign of the Gnome 3 apocalypse?

2012-03-26 Thread Tom Horsley
This bug casually mentions that an app (swell-foop) menu has moved from the app itself to the gnome-shell panel: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=803430#c4 My reaction to this is What in the $#@! is going on?!?. Is gnome 3 now being turned into ubuntu unity where no apps have menu

Re: Emacs yank behavior change

2012-03-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:46:36 -0600 Jonathan Corbet wrote: It turns out that the Emacs developers explicitly changed the default behavior in this regard for the 24 release. I sent in a yank enhancement once, but I don't know if anyone ever actually picked it up. My version of yank pastes in the

blenderplayer, Field3D, OpenImageIO dependency issues

2012-03-17 Thread Tom Horsley
I don't think I need any of these things, but I have been trying to get all the same rpms on my F17 alpha as I have on my F16 system, and these dependency errors have persisted for a while: Loaded plugins: downloadonly, fastestmirror, langpacks, presto, refresh- : packagekit Loading

bridge-utils missing!

2012-03-03 Thread Tom Horsley
OK, what bugzilla component is used to report bugs about missing packages in the DVD? There is no bridge-utils installed from the DVD which leaves you with a totally non-functional network when you copy over your previously working ifcfg scripts which define bridges. Then, with a totally

Re: bridge-utils missing!

2012-03-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 10:35:14 -0500 (EST) Kamil Paral wrote: OK, what bugzilla component is used to report bugs about missing packages in the DVD? That should probably be reported against distribution component. Thanks. Bug filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799625 -- test

Re: SYSFONT kernel parameter?

2012-03-02 Thread Tom Horsley
I've just installed f17 alpha and they both just say SYSFONT=True That looks wrong. It should be a font name (such as latarcyrheb-sun16, or whatever. OK, I've submitted this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799401 Maybe more info will appear there. -- test mailing list

SYSFONT kernel parameter?

2012-03-01 Thread Tom Horsley
In previous releases the /etc/sysconfig/i18n file and the SYSFONT boot parameter named a console font. I've just installed f17 alpha and they both just say SYSFONT=True So what magic do I need to do to make it use the latarcyrheb-sun32 font that is finally included in the kbd package? -- test

Can't do hard disk install from DVD iso

2012-02-29 Thread Tom Horsley
Just submitted this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=798823 The installer kernel never gets through the boot when I try to do an install from hard disk (haven't tried writing a DVD to see if the DVD will work). -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe:

newegg.com and firefox on fedora 16?

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Horsley
Yesterday we were trying to figure out why no prices show up on newegg.com on a friend's rhel 6 system when visiting it with firefox. The only google results I found was someone with the same problem when he disabled javascript (but javascript was not disabled). Today I tried it on my fedora 16

Re: newegg.com and firefox on fedora 16?

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:12:43 -0400 Scott Robbins wrote: On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 08:03:25AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Yesterday we were trying to figure out why no prices show up on newegg.com on a friend's rhel 6 system when visiting it with firefox. The only google results I found

Re: newegg.com and firefox on fedora 16?

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 05:44:44 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: It works here, and I'm even using noscript (though I've allowed newegg)... Weird. If only we could figure out what is different :-). In any case, since I got confirmation that at least one other person sees the bug, I added a bugzilla

Re: newegg.com and firefox on fedora 16?

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:25:21 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: 1-IPV6 vs IPV4 Bingo! You are a genius! I had ipv6 disabled in my fedora 15 about:config in firefox, on fedora 16 I had the default enabled setting. When I disable it on f16, I can see the prices again. Apparently it can't lookup the IP for

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