Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: The answer to rest of that page is pretty obvious ( to me ) after we switch to Systemd there will be only one init system to avoid any half ass implementation of three ( SysV, Upstart and Systemd ) which would just complicate things. How

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On 16/09/10 04:51, Michal Jaegermann wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:25:40PM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: No problems here with network service. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630225 and duplicates. Michal Yeah, I have NM uninstalled. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:40 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: 2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 09/15/2010 08:44 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote: Matthew Millermat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Is this all I

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: Well Lennart is one and half and what Bill has been saying from the get go is the other, that is to allow people to pick their own set of breakage in init system is really a bad idea. Trying to patch and supporting and updating both is

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/16/2010 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: Well Lennart is one and half and what Bill has been saying from the get go is the other, that is to allow people to pick their own set of breakage in init system is really a bad idea. Trying to

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:11:21PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: How about setting up a systemd repo in repos.fedorapeople.org? All this is extra work that will distract from making systemd more successful in F15... of course, if you want to do it, go for it. If we can't concentrate on

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/16/2010 09:41 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: All this is extra work that will distract from making systemd more successful in F15... of course, if you want to do it, go for it. I think providing a way for F14 users to test and provide feedback on systemd would actually help systemd be more

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/16 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com:  On 09/16/2010 09:41 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: All this is extra work that will distract from making systemd more successful in F15... of course, if you want to do it, go for it. I think providing a way for F14 users to test and provide feedback

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Micha? Piotrowski wrote: I mean systemd and all boot scripts. Wonderful! This is definitely nice for consumers who have already made the transition to the future and do not care to regress. As for rawhide, it is definitely experimental, but to use it as a day-to-day system is not always

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/16/2010 04:11 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 21:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/16/2010 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: Well Lennart is one and half and what Bill has been saying from the get go is the other,

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/16/2010 06:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: A first step here would be to finish and get approved the systemd unit files packaging guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd_Packaging_Draft Great page with good questions btw. From the look at that page the first thing that needs

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/15 Petrus de Calguarium pguec...@gmail.com: I just ran yum update. The result... removed:   systemd-sysvinit installed: upstart-sysvinit Adam Williamson advised to wait with those on update from Leenart I have put init=/bin/systemd on the kernel boot line in grub.conf Is this all

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/15 Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to continue to use systemd in F14. What are you wanting to get out of having your system using systemd at this

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Matthew Miller wrote: What are you wanting to get out of having your system using systemd at this point? I had no problems with systemd and have already converted my scripts to using systemd. I don't want to regress all my work and have to do it all over and then repeat it all again in 6

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:02:27AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: I might give rawhide a try. I have never managed to successfully install it, despite about 10 years of trying. Not once did it ever boot or could I even get anaconda to install it without giving me an error at the critical

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Matthew Miller wrote: You shouldn't need to install it from scratch, given where you're at. Just yum update from your F14 test system. You're sure this isn't going to f--k my perfectly running system (yes, I do have f13 installed on a different partition, but I would not be happy with that

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:21:40AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: You're sure this isn't going to f--k my perfectly running system (yes, I do have f13 installed on a different partition, but I would not be happy with that and would want at least f14, if rawhide screws up). Am I *sure*? No

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Horst H. von Brand
Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to continue to use systemd in F14. What are you wanting to get out of having your system using systemd at this

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/15/2010 08:44 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote: Matthew Millermat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to continue to use systemd in F14. What are you wanting to get

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:  On 09/15/2010 08:44 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote: Matthew Millermat...@mattdm.org  wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to continue

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 09/15/2010 10:40 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: Where in the 9 effing hecks did you come up with that piece of knowledge? I have seen multiple devels say it will be so I kind of expect the people putting code together will know whats going on. That's interesting was either on of those

Re: What do consumers wishing to use systemd in F14 need to do?

2010-09-15 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet That should get the migration process to systemd started and as with all wiki pages dont hesitate to add/enhance if needed. Thanks. Duly noted. I was migrated and will now likely have to regress for 6