Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-19 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 16:48 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. Why not? In F16, it was mounted. In Windows, it's mounted. In Mac OS, it's mounted. Why

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-19 Thread cornel panceac
2012/4/19 Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 16:48 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. Why not? In F16, it was

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 10:23 +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: 2. I have a plugged-in USB disk and I am at the physical console however I need to find the name of my USB disk in the folder list and click on it before I can use any files on it This is what I personally object to, and I suspect

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 12:15 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: OK, so I took a look at the GNOME Disks utility, which I was finally able to get to run without crashing, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't resolve my main complaint with the new F17 behavior. Yes, I can use the Disks utility to

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 04/18/2012 01:06 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: If you set a specific mount location for a device in that tool - i.e. in fstab - it will be used even if the device is connected after login. Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's not what I want. If it is the position of the Fedora developers that

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's not what I want. If it is the position of the Fedora developers that /run/media/$USER is the right place for stuff to be mounted, and I don't have a particular problem with that decision, then I

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Three use cases in which in my opinion the behavior is clearly incorrect: Case 1: 1. Put DVD in drive while logged in. DVD is mounted. 2. Reboot computer and log back in. DVD is not mounted. It should be. Case 2: 1. Put DVD in drive before logging in. DVD is not mounted. 2. Log in. DVD is

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Richard Ryniker
If I plug it in while I'm logged in, it shows up. I log out and log back in, and it still shows up. If I reboot, plug it in during GDM, and then log in... it shows up. Under what circumstance does it not show up for you? If your USB stick is plugged in before you boot your system, where does it

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Ryniker (ryni...@alum.mit.edu) said: If I plug it in while I'm logged in, it shows up. I log out and log back in, and it still shows up. If I reboot, plug it in during GDM, and then log in... it shows up. Under what circumstance does it not show up for you? Aha, for this last one

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Kamens
On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. Why not? In F16, it was mounted. In Windows, it's mounted. In Mac OS, it's mounted. Why should F17 behave differently from F17 and from every other mainstream OS people are familiar with? What

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread drago01
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. Why not? In F16, it was mounted. In Windows, it's mounted. In Mac OS, it's mounted. Why should F17 behave

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 14:40 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 13:10 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: Yes, I'm aware of that, but that's not what I want. If it is the position of the Fedora developers that /run/media/$USER

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 16:48 -0400, Jonathan Kamens wrote: On 04/18/2012 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: It shows up in the file manager; it's not mounted. Why not? In F16, it was mounted. In Windows, it's mounted. In Mac OS, it's mounted. Why should F17 behave differently from

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 21:38 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: The arguments are really going downhill here. I'm not overly interested in wading into this, but I'll just say that whenever we do something automatically, somebody will get mad. In the past, auto-mounting (and even just automatically

Re: automatically mounting physically attached media (was Re: Move from /media to /run/media/$USER)

2012-04-18 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 03:26 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 21:38 -0400, Ma Honestly, I'm not sure there's any difference at all between 'mount on attach' and 'mount on any attempt to access' from a security POV.