On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 03:41 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
The decision to reject this feature certainly was a lesson in killing
momentum which we will never reach again.
JBG
Ps.
Yes I'm pissed and I have every right to be I eventually will
get over it and so will you
What plugins do you have installed? I only get:
# pwd
/var/lib/yum
# du -hs *
1.2Mhistory
0 rpmdb-indexes
4.0Kuuid
9.0Myumdb
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On 09/15/2010 03:44 PM,
On 09/15/2010 11:24 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
There is one big difference though. Upstart does work and for a
naive user this detail that /sbin/upstart handles sysvinit job is
not really visible. In the case of systemd this works mostly.
Definitely much better now than when it showed up
Dear Zappers,
My name is Simon Yan and I would like to be part of the Fedora
BugZapper team to do something to make this great Linux distro even
better! ;)
I've started playing with Fedora since 3 and I kept using it now and
then. I wasn't able to follow along with all the releases but I'll
keep
Greetings Testers,
Anaconda TranslationKeyboard Test Day is coming up tomorrow:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Current
This day will mainly focus on the translation and keyboard in different
languages during installation. Test cases have been well prepared on the
wiki page with the
Welcome!
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, 益牙 simonya...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Zappers,
My name is Simon Yan and I would like to be part of the Fedora
BugZapper team to do something to make this great Linux distro even
better! ;)
I've started playing with Fedora since 3 and I
On 09/15/2010 08:04 AM, Steven Haigh wrote:
What plugins do you have installed? I only get:
# pwd
/var/lib/yum
# du -hs *
1.2M history
0 rpmdb-indexes
4.0K uuid
9.0M yumdb
Hi Steven,
cd /var/lib/yum
sudo du -hs *
4.6Mhistory
3.8Gplugins
296Krpmdb-indexes
4.0K
On 09/15/2010 05:28 PM, Joachim Backes wrote:
On 09/15/2010 08:04 AM, Steven Haigh wrote:
What plugins do you have installed? I only get:
# pwd
/var/lib/yum
# du -hs *
1.2M history
0rpmdb-indexes
4.0K uuid
9.0M yumdb
Hi Steven,
cd /var/lib/yum
sudo du -hs *
4.6M history
3.8G
On 15/09/10 08:28, Joachim Backes wrote:
Installed yum plugins: yum-plugin-local (has not been installed
explictly, but automatically!)
Joachim Backes
If you don't need a local repo:
yum erase yum*local
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Hi all,
After applying the latest updates in updates-testing for F14, I cannot
enable bluetooth anymore...
The latest hal update fixed this, however now I'm not able to enable
bluetooth at all.
Anyone else?
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On 09/15/2010 09:58 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 15/09/10 08:28, Joachim Backes wrote:
Installed yum plugins: yum-plugin-local (has not been installed
explictly, but automatically!)
Joachim Backes
If you don't need a local repo:
yum erase yum*local
I did it, but now, I can't
2010/9/15 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com:
On 09/15/2010 11:24 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
There is one big difference though. Upstart does work and for a
naive user this detail that /sbin/upstart handles sysvinit job is
not really visible. In the case of systemd this works mostly.
On 15/09/10 09:22, Joachim Backes wrote:
If you don't need a local repo:
yum erase yum*local
I did it, but now, I can't downgrade an installed package :-(
You can if you havn't deleted the 3gb of files.
maybe as su\sudo
updatedb
locate local.conf.rpmsave
if that is there it will contain
2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
The decision to reject this feature certainly was a lesson in killing
momentum which we will never reach again.
This is how I also feel. By trying to make Fedora shiny, polished and
super-cautious against breaking things we're just creating
2010/9/15 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com:
2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
The decision to reject this feature certainly was a lesson in killing
momentum which we will never reach again.
This is how I also feel. By trying to make Fedora shiny, polished and
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Broken packages in F-13 + Updates (src.rpm names):
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On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 10:27 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
* Fedora documentation, especially the longer guides to be updated to
cover systemd extensively
Please point me to a similar document written for Upstart.
It doesn't really need one, because it behaves exactly as SysV init did.
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:36 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
The decision to reject this feature certainly was a lesson in killing
momentum which we will never reach again.
This is how I also feel. By trying to make Fedora shiny, polished and
On 09/15/2010 09:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:18 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote:
Hi all,
After applying the latest updates in updates-testing for F14, I cannot
enable bluetooth anymore...
The latest hal update fixed this, however now I'm not able to enable
bluetooth at
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 10:27 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
* system-config-services needs to work with systemd native units
Does it work with native Upstart jobs?
Again, doesn't matter; we never used any by
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On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:09 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 10:27 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
* system-config-services needs to work with systemd native units
Does it work with native Upstart
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:09 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 10:27 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
* system-config-services
Once upon a time, Micha³ Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com said:
Please point me to a similar document written for Upstart.
Please stop comparing everything to what was done for Upstart. That was
done in a different set of circumstances, and for almost everything,
Upstart was done in a backwards
Once upon a time, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com said:
* since s-c-services uses chkconfig, chkconfig needs to be hooked up to
systemctl
IMHO this just needs to be the common-use cases for chkconfig (on, off,
--list). The --add, --del, --level, and other options are not things
that most
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 06:46 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
I do wish, though, Bill, that FESCo could have come through with this
decision sooner; on a project basis it really does cut things rather
fine for rolling RC1, and on a personal basis I could have not bothered
with about seven hours
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:36 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
The decision to reject this feature certainly was a lesson in killing
momentum which we will never reach again.
This is how I also feel. By trying to make Fedora shiny, polished and
On 09/15/2010 03:35 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I think we all realize that the timing was exceedingly bad on this.
I think we should try to distill some lessons from this for how we
approach 'invasive' features in the future.
If the vore was as close as it was in this case, it begs the
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:53:36 +0530,
Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
Since, I am a co-maintainer of systemd and watching bugs flow through,
I think we need a more concrete list of what is missing/needs to be
fixed for this to be acceptable for Fedora 15. I think, off the top
On 09/15/2010 09:58 PM, Steven Haigh wrote:
On 09/15/2010 09:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:18 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote:
Hi all,
After applying the latest updates in updates-testing for F14, I cannot
enable bluetooth anymore...
The latest hal update fixed this,
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:41 +0200, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
On 09/15/2010 03:35 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I think we all realize that the timing was exceedingly bad on this.
I think we should try to distill some lessons from this for how we
approach 'invasive' features in the future.
If
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 08:42 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
This should cover how to add new services. I needed to start svscanboot
at boot. This used to be something in inittab, that I needed to futz
with for upstart. It didn't seem to work in rc.local and when I tried
reading the systemd
On 09/15/2010 11:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Then just reboot and make sure the system boots and everything works as
before. If so, go file positive karma on the update. If not, file bugs
and let us know. Thanks!
And make sure that you reboot *before* removing systemd - otherwise you
need
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 23:45 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote:
It seems to suffer from the same issue as before the integration with
systemd. I still have to disable and re-enable bluetooth before it works.
I also tried 4.71-3 that hasn't been pushed yet - still the same
issue... I guess it'll
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 14:50:33 +0100,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Hi, folks. So, the upstart reversion update is in updates-testing now:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/system-setup-keyboard-0.8.6-2.fc14,firstboot-1.113-2.fc14,upstart-0.6.5-8.fc14
testing should
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 23:53 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote:
On 09/15/2010 11:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Then just reboot and make sure the system boots and everything works as
before. If so, go file positive karma on the update. If not, file bugs
and let us know. Thanks!
And make sure that
On 09/15/2010 11:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 23:53 +1000, Steven Haigh wrote:
On 09/15/2010 11:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Then just reboot and make sure the system boots and everything works as
before. If so, go file positive karma on the update. If not, file bugs
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:53:36AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Since, I am a co-maintainer of systemd and watching bugs flow through,
I think we need a more concrete list of what is missing/needs to be
fixed for this to be acceptable for Fedora 15. I think, off the top of
my head, I would
On 09/15/2010 09:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, folks. So, the upstart reversion update is in updates-testing now:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/system-setup-keyboard-0.8.6-2.fc14,firstboot-1.113-2.fc14,upstart-0.6.5-8.fc14
testing should be pretty simple. I did an update from
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 10:20 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
On 09/15/2010 09:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, folks. So, the upstart reversion update is in updates-testing now:
2010/9/15 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com:
Hi, folks. So, the upstart reversion update is in updates-testing now:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/system-setup-keyboard-0.8.6-2.fc14,firstboot-1.113-2.fc14,upstart-0.6.5-8.fc14
testing should be pretty simple. I did an update from
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:39 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
2010/9/15 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com:
Hi, folks. So, the upstart reversion update is in updates-testing now:
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 03:19:46PM +, Branched Report wrote:
python-polybori-0.5-8.fc14.i686 requires libboost_python.so.1.41.0
I rebuilt this and submitted an update. This warning should go away in
a week or so when we push to stable.
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires libpython2.6.so.1.0
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires python(abi) = 0:2.6
My understanding on this was that psyco was broken on python-2.7... Do we
want to block this from the F14 release?
Does
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:46 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires libpython2.6.so.1.0
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires python(abi) = 0:2.6
My understanding on this was that psyco was broken on
drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said:
nitpick That's not true /nitpick
(We do ship some native upstart services by default)
Which?
readahead and system-setup-keyboard ... and probably others I can't
think of right now.
Those aren't services in the classic sense. They're boot processes,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:52:50AM -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:46 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires libpython2.6.so.1.0
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 12:21 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:52:50AM -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:46 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
python-psyco-1.6-4.fc12.i686 requires libpython2.6.so.1.0
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 17:37 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 12:21 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:52:50AM -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 11:46 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
2010/9/15 Petrus de Calguarium pguec...@gmail.com:
I just ran yum update. The result...
removed: systemd-sysvinit
installed: upstart-sysvinit
Adam Williamson advised to wait with those on update from Leenart
I have put init=/bin/systemd on the kernel boot line in grub.conf
Is this all
2010/9/15 Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to
continue to use systemd in F14.
What are you wanting to get out of having your system using systemd at this
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:50:14 -0400
Bill Nottingham wrote:
I do too. I suspect for situations like this we at a minimum need to
adopt a more formal process for pulling feedback/votes/whatever outside
of the meeting timeframe, whether it's calling a special session, enforcing
a 'you must vote
Matthew Miller wrote:
What are you wanting to get out of having your system using systemd at
this point?
I had no problems with systemd and have already converted my scripts to using
systemd. I don't want to regress all my work and have to do it all over and
then repeat it all again in 6
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:02:27AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
I might give rawhide a try. I have never managed to successfully install
it, despite about 10 years of trying. Not once did it ever boot or could I
even get anaconda to install it without giving me an error at the critical
Tom Horsley wrote:
You left out removing the fanatical devotion to releasing every six months
:-). I've really never understood that one. Why is virtually everything
subordinate to getting a release out at an artificial deadline? Why not
just release when there appears to be enough things
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:10:12AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
Excellent point. F13 may be a great release for developers, but for
consumers it is a real dud. It doesn't offer anything new or different,
just the promise or allure of some background stability issues resolved,
perhaps.
Matthew Miller wrote:
You shouldn't need to install it from scratch, given where you're at. Just
yum update from your F14 test system.
You're sure this isn't going to f--k my perfectly running system (yes, I do
have f13 installed on a different partition, but I would not be happy with that
Matthew Miller wrote:
What was F14 with systemd going to offer that's new or different for
consumers?
I guess I can't truly answer that, except for the fact that it was promising
and seeming to deliver faster booting. I turn off my computer when I go out and
at night, since I have to pay for
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:21:40AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
You're sure this isn't going to f--k my perfectly running system (yes, I
do have f13 installed on a different partition, but I would not be happy
with that and would want at least f14, if rawhide screws up).
Am I *sure*? No
Greetings:
Will there be the same reversion in rawhide too?
Sincerely yours,
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Rob Healey robheal...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings:
Will there be the same reversion in rawhide too?
No.
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drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said:
Will there be the same reversion in rawhide too?
No.
In fact, I'm strongly debating flipping it so systemd is mandatory; it
enables us to actually merge the changes that allow for cleaner
startup/shutdown (moving parts of rc.sysinit, etc. to systemd units.)
Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to
continue to use systemd in F14.
What are you wanting to get out of having your system using systemd at this
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said:
Will there be the same reversion in rawhide too?
No.
In fact, I'm strongly debating flipping it so systemd is mandatory; it
enables us to actually merge the changes that allow for
On 09/15/2010 08:44 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote:
Matthew Millermat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to
continue to use systemd in F14.
What are you wanting to get
The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 13 updates-testing
bibletime-2.7.3-1.fc13
eog-2.30.1-2.fc13
font-manager-0.5.6-1.fc13
ibus-1.3.6-2.fc13
libucil-0.9.8-4.fc13
microcode_ctl-1.17-4.fc13
perl-Crypt-SSLeay-0.58-1.fc13
perl-Perl-MinimumVersion-1.26-1.fc13
2010/9/15 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
On 09/15/2010 08:44 PM, Horst H. von Brand wrote:
Matthew Millermat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:41:36AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
Is this all I need to do in order not to regress my system? I wish to
continue
since the current justification for having stable releases at all
is 'to handle upgrade cases we can't handle with yum'
What about installation from media such as DVD for users who cannot
reasonably access more than a gigabyte of updates from the Net?
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Greetings:
I know there is some time before Rawhide/ fc15 is even at an alpha stage,
but I do agree with Matthew Miller...
If it is going to become mandatory for fc15, then I believe it should be
done sooner than later and waiting.
Sincerely yours,
Rob G. Healey
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On 09/15/2010 10:40 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Where in the 9 effing hecks did you come up with that piece of
knowledge? I have seen multiple devels say it will be so I kind of
expect the people putting code together will know whats going on.
That's interesting was either on of those
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:24:47PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
...or, since the current justification for having stable releases at all
is 'to handle upgrade cases we can't handle with yum', have a new stable
release only when we hit such a case (and try to hit as few such cases
as
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet
That should get the migration process to systemd started and as with all
wiki pages dont hesitate to add/enhance if needed.
Thanks. Duly noted. I was migrated and will now likely have to regress for 6
The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 14 updates-testing
ImageMagick-6.6.4.1-13.fc14
anaconda-14.17.2-1.fc14
authconfig-6.1.9-1.fc14
calibre-0.7.18-3.fc14
cyphesis-0.5.24-1.fc14
firstboot-1.113-3.fc14
font-manager-0.5.6-1.fc14
gdl-0.9-2.fc14
On 09/15/2010 06:45 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
I think service should also be hooked up so that it continues to work
for all services (this may be done already, but I've been out of town
and busy with a couple of projects and unable to test lately). Again,
the common uses (start, stop, restart,
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