On Sunday 29 of August 2010 00:39:52 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Again, the time required to do that is pretty small (maybe as
small as ten minutes)
... if you already have all the background knowledge, and the
needed abilities
don't forget about that, please
(sorry, I'm a bit tired of hearing
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
Do you happen to mean that:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Alpha_release_notes#Better_System_and_Session_Management
I just quoted the whole entry. If somewhere else there is something
real then I would start by putting a
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 01:30:35AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
Do you happen to mean that:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Alpha_release_notes#
Better_System_and_Session_Management
I just quoted the
On 08/29/2010 02:04 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
It helps immensly if you are in a position to distinguish between
real info, a pure voodoo magic which once gave an impression that
it worked, accidental and/or intentional workarounds for bugs which
will be gone in some future version - maybe,
hi,
On Thursday 26 of August 2010 05:02:45 Adam Williamson wrote:
No, not really. It's not the Vogon effect. This is a very
public, very open project; the use of systemd has been
discussed extensively on this list, and on -test list, and is
listed in the Alpha release notes - it's the very
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 02:37:08PM +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
and btw, I don't see it mentioned here nor in the referenced
bugreport - why /etc/inittab gets installed at all if it is not
used?
It's used by upstart, which is currently installed in parallel as a
fallback. Confusing, I know.
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 14:37 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
ok, great ... I remember seeing the info that there will be some
systemd thing in F14
but I really do not remember seeing the info that inittab won't
be usable any longer
see the difference?
Yes, and we already addressed that
On 08/26/2010 07:00 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
I remember this happening with upstart--briefly, and I mentioned that a
comment should go in /etc/inittab, and I think Bill Nottingham fixed it
in a few hours (without me even filing a bug.)
As long as there's a comment in /etc/inittab on how to
On 08/26/2010 07:17 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
Another example of the Vogon effect :-).
No, not
On 08/26/2010 12:49 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
My continuing adventures in fedora 14 alpha have finally
gotten it installed, and I can even boot, but it insists
on coming up in runlevel 3 (apparently). It won't start
KDM and I get no graphical login.
What happens if you start kdm in run level
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 21:13:20 -0700,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Vogon, not Volgan. :) And yes, that issue isn't documented, mainly
That's not fair. The plans for the destruction of Earth were on
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:43:14AM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:36 -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
I disagree, there really is only so much we as an internet based
community can do to help the users and publicly providing the
documentation in multiple outlets is about as
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:10:28AM +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
On 08/26/2010 07:17 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
OTOH adding '5' there may just work (maybe).
I made the experience that I can add in F14 the runlevel in the GRUB
boot line, so I can boot into rl 5 or 3 without problem. Without
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:47:17 -0500
Adam Miller wrote:
Those of us on this mailing list spend time testing
Fedora and we should provide *constructive* feedback
I thought the suggestion earlier in this thread to provide
a single place where heads up documentation about things
users are going to
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:12 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:47:17AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
OK, let's try this first item in its entirety.
Oh, I'm sorry ... did you miss the Alpha tag on the ISO you
downloaded?
Somebody who is missing something is you;
2010/8/26 seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org
I think the point is that the one thing we can do to help users is to
throw it all away and start over LESS often.
-sv
good point.
--
Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall, there was this one: Matters of
great concern should be
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:17:23AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:12 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:47:17AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
OK, let's try this first item in its entirety.
Oh, I'm sorry ... did you miss the Alpha tag on
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:01:02AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:41 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
Or maybe you were thinking of this:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Alpha_release_announcement
NetworkManager and PulseAudio as examples in the context are
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:52 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:43:14AM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:36 -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
I disagree, there really is only so much we as an internet based
community can do to help the users and publicly
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
The release notes are the one canonical thing you should always read.
I have edited the release notes to state that systemd is a mostly
compatible replacement instead of a drop-in replacement, and I have
copied the FAQ and Tips and Tricks
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 10:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:14:59 -0400
Chris Lumens wrote:
The VNC - runlevel 3 implication is working as designed.
Though, I'd really like anaconda to have a screen that
let's me choose the runlevel during install, but it isn't
a big
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 13:00 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
The release notes are the one canonical thing you should always read.
I have edited the release notes to state that systemd is a mostly
compatible replacement instead of a
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:06:55 -0400
Adam Jackson wrote:
The theory here is that if graphics didn't work at install time they're
probably not going to work afterwards either. So if you needed to
resort to VNC or text mode...
Yea, but my most frequent use case is to do a graphical install
on a
Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
Matt McCutchen wrote:
Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
honor /etc/inittab:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
My continuing adventures in fedora 14 alpha have finally
gotten it installed, and I can even boot, but it insists
on coming up in runlevel 3 (apparently). It won't start
KDM and I get no graphical login.
I have edited /etc/inittab to
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
Matt McCutchen wrote:
Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
honor /etc/inittab:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
Another example of the Vogon
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:02:54PM -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
My continuing adventures in fedora 14 alpha have finally
gotten it installed, and I can even boot, but it insists
on coming up in runlevel 3 (apparently). It won't start
2010/8/26 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
Matt McCutchen wrote:
Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
honor /etc/inittab:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626855
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
Matt McCutchen wrote:
Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system, and it doesn't
honor /etc/inittab:
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 23:13 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:02:54 -0400
Matt McCutchen wrote:
Fedora 14 is using systemd as the init system,
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 21:13:20 -0700,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
Vogon, not Volgan. :) And yes, that issue isn't documented, mainly
That's not fair. The plans for the destruction of Earth were on display.
If people couldn't be bothered to read them, that's their problem.
--
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
Another example of the Vogon effect :-).
No, not really. It's not the Vogon effect. This is a
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:17:19PM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:02:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:18 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/oss-happens.html
Another example of the
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