Re: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music Accidentals

2022-12-24 Thread Ali Unlu 
Interesting. I haven't known them. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Ali Unlu

On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 9:45 PM Jean Abou Samra  wrote:

>
>
> Le 24 déc. 2022 à 19:39, Ali Unlu  a écrit :
>
> 
> Hi Jean,
>
> Thank you for your reply. I do not think it is possible to attach tikz
> figures to Lilypond files. That is also why I use MusixTex.
>
>
>
>
> You can mix LilyPond input with LaTeX, using lilypond-book <
>  https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/usage/lilypond_002dbook
> >
> or lyLuaTeX < https://ctan.org/pkg/lyluatex
> >.
>
>
>
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Re: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music Accidentals

2022-12-24 Thread Ali Unlu 
Hi Jean,

Thank you for your reply. I do not think it is possible to attach tikz
figures to Lilypond files. That is also why I use MusixTex.

Sincerely,
Ali Unlu

On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 5:56 PM Jean Abou Samra  wrote:

> Le 22/12/2022 à 13:09, Ali Unlu a écrit :
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I use Overleaf with the MusixTex package to take notes for my Turkish
> > Classical Music lessons and I need help with implementing the glyphs
> > for the custom accidentals.
> >
> > There are ten accidentals in Turkish Classical Music, eight of which
> > are custom. A diagram showing all of them can be found in the
> > Wikipedia page for Turkish makams
> > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_makam), the system used in
> > Turksh Classical Music. These accidentals are available in Lilypond
> > but it is not possible to use Overleaf with Lilypond.
>
>
> Doesn't that sound like you want to find a way to use LilyPond instead
> of modifying MusiXTeX to add this ability, which sounds like it is very
> complicated?
>
> If you prefer to edit your files over the Web, there are online LilyPond
> editors available, like
>
> https://hacklily.org/
>
> Best,
> Jean
>
>
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Re: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music Accidentals

2022-12-24 Thread Ali Unlu 
Thank you very much for taking your time to work on this.

I need the following glyphs from Hiroaki's PDF file:
20,25,26,27,30,37,42,43,45,47

Have a great day.

Sincerely,
Ali Unlu

On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:56 PM Bob Tennent  wrote:

> Hiroaki:  Thank you.  I've followed your procedure and generated the
> feta20.ps as described in your steps 1-4.
>
> Ali:  Can you let me/us know from the feta20.pdf Hiroaki attached which
> glyphs you need?  I (or someone on this list) should be able to define
> suitable macros.
>
> Bob T.
>
> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 9:50 AM Hiroaki MORIMOTO 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Ali Unlu and all,
>>
>> This is a very similar theme to musixadf.tex which has been included in
>> recent MusiXTeX distribution.
>>
>> Unfortunately I am not familiar with Overleaf; I don't know whether
>> Overleaf system does accept any additional METAFONT source and
>> user-extension TeX macros by user level or not.
>>
>> But if you have a TeX system working on your own local computer, there is
>> a way.  It's lucky that the musical font of LilyPond are originally written
>> in METAFONT; therefore, the font can also be used in other TeX documents
>> within the licencing terms (GNU-GPLv3).
>>
>> In case of my Windows 10 PC and W32TeX (nearly equal to TeXLive), the
>> example procedure will be:
>>
>> 1. Get LilyPond source code from https://lilypond.org/source.en.html and
>> extract it.
>> 2. Copy all the contents of extracted lilypond-2.24.0\mf directory into
>> (for example) C:\w32tex\share\texmf-local\fonts\source\public\lilypond.
>> The destination directory depends on the particular distributions (TeXLive,
>> MiKTeX, etc.).
>> 3. Run METAFONT to get the TFM file:
>>  mf \mode=ultre; input feta20.mf
>>feta20.tfm and feta20.1200gf will be produced.
>>feta20.tfm is needed in the next step.  feta20.1200gf is no longer
>> needed.
>> 4. Run TeX (not LaTeX, but plain TeX) for feta20.tex attached with this
>> mail:
>>tex feta20.tex
>>In this process, the tfm file feta20.tfm generated by above described
>> procedure is required.
>>You will get a DVI file feta20.dvi if your TeX system is enough
>> up-to-date and is set up appropriately.
>>Convert the DVI file into PS with dvips
>>  dvips -e 0 -D 1200 feta20.dvi
>>or convert into PDF with dvipdfmx
>>  dvipdfmx -r1200 feta20.dvi
>>otherwise you can use pdfTeX (color specials not work).
>> 5. Find the character code of the character you want.
>> 6. Develop extension macros to use the character you want.
>>
>> The step 6 is a very hard work.  This requires very deep understanding of
>> musixtex.tex.  Unfortunately I cannot provide further help because I have
>> no time nor motivation to develop for the time being.
>>
>> Note that the attached file feta20.tex is made by me and for just my
>> personal test use.  You can change the basename of the attached file as you
>> like for the use of trying another font; but appropriate TFM file is
>> required to run it.  I hope this file useful for everyone on this mailing
>> list.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Hiroaki
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: Ali Unlu 
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:09:44 +0300
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical
>> Music
>> >   Accidentals
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > I use Overleaf with the MusixTex package to take notes for my Turkish
>> > Classical Music lessons and I need help with implementing the glyphs for
>> > the custom accidentals.
>> >
>> > There are ten accidentals in Turkish Classical Music, eight of which are
>> > custom. A diagram showing all of them can be found in the Wikipedia page
>> > for Turkish makams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_makam), the
>> > system used in Turksh Classical Music. These accidentals are available
>> in
>> > Lilypond but it is not possible to use Overleaf with Lilypond.
>> >
>> > With my limited knowledge, I managed to define the "mirrored" flat one
>> as:
>> >
>> > \newcommand{\bemol}[1]{%
>> > \reflectbox{\fl{#1}}\kern6pt%
>> > }
>> >
>> > However, others require designing custom glyphs. Hence, I need someone
>> to
>> > help me with this.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > - inline -
>> > ---
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>> > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to
>> https://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
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Re: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music Accidentals

2022-12-24 Thread Jean Abou Samra 
Le 24 déc. 2022 à 19:39, Ali Unlu  a écrit :Hi Jean,Thank you for your reply. I do not think it is possible to attach tikz figures to Lilypond files. That is also why I use MusixTex.You can mix LilyPond input with LaTeX, using lilypond-book < https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/usage/lilypond_002dbook> or lyLuaTeX < https://ctan.org/pkg/lyluatex>.---
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Re: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music Accidentals

2022-12-24 Thread Bob Tennent 
Hiroaki:  Thank you.  I've followed your procedure and generated the
feta20.ps as described in your steps 1-4.

Ali:  Can you let me/us know from the feta20.pdf Hiroaki attached which
glyphs you need?  I (or someone on this list) should be able to define
suitable macros.

Bob T.

On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 9:50 AM Hiroaki MORIMOTO  wrote:

> Hello Ali Unlu and all,
>
> This is a very similar theme to musixadf.tex which has been included in
> recent MusiXTeX distribution.
>
> Unfortunately I am not familiar with Overleaf; I don't know whether
> Overleaf system does accept any additional METAFONT source and
> user-extension TeX macros by user level or not.
>
> But if you have a TeX system working on your own local computer, there is
> a way.  It's lucky that the musical font of LilyPond are originally written
> in METAFONT; therefore, the font can also be used in other TeX documents
> within the licencing terms (GNU-GPLv3).
>
> In case of my Windows 10 PC and W32TeX (nearly equal to TeXLive), the
> example procedure will be:
>
> 1. Get LilyPond source code from https://lilypond.org/source.en.html and
> extract it.
> 2. Copy all the contents of extracted lilypond-2.24.0\mf directory into
> (for example) C:\w32tex\share\texmf-local\fonts\source\public\lilypond.
> The destination directory depends on the particular distributions (TeXLive,
> MiKTeX, etc.).
> 3. Run METAFONT to get the TFM file:
>  mf \mode=ultre; input feta20.mf
>feta20.tfm and feta20.1200gf will be produced.
>feta20.tfm is needed in the next step.  feta20.1200gf is no longer
> needed.
> 4. Run TeX (not LaTeX, but plain TeX) for feta20.tex attached with this
> mail:
>tex feta20.tex
>In this process, the tfm file feta20.tfm generated by above described
> procedure is required.
>You will get a DVI file feta20.dvi if your TeX system is enough
> up-to-date and is set up appropriately.
>Convert the DVI file into PS with dvips
>  dvips -e 0 -D 1200 feta20.dvi
>or convert into PDF with dvipdfmx
>  dvipdfmx -r1200 feta20.dvi
>otherwise you can use pdfTeX (color specials not work).
> 5. Find the character code of the character you want.
> 6. Develop extension macros to use the character you want.
>
> The step 6 is a very hard work.  This requires very deep understanding of
> musixtex.tex.  Unfortunately I cannot provide further help because I have
> no time nor motivation to develop for the time being.
>
> Note that the attached file feta20.tex is made by me and for just my
> personal test use.  You can change the basename of the attached file as you
> like for the use of trying another font; but appropriate TFM file is
> required to run it.  I hope this file useful for everyone on this mailing
> list.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Hiroaki
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: Ali Unlu 
> > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:09:44 +0300
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music
> >   Accidentals
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I use Overleaf with the MusixTex package to take notes for my Turkish
> > Classical Music lessons and I need help with implementing the glyphs for
> > the custom accidentals.
> >
> > There are ten accidentals in Turkish Classical Music, eight of which are
> > custom. A diagram showing all of them can be found in the Wikipedia page
> > for Turkish makams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_makam), the
> > system used in Turksh Classical Music. These accidentals are available in
> > Lilypond but it is not possible to use Overleaf with Lilypond.
> >
> > With my limited knowledge, I managed to define the "mirrored" flat one
> as:
> >
> > \newcommand{\bemol}[1]{%
> > \reflectbox{\fl{#1}}\kern6pt%
> > }
> >
> > However, others require designing custom glyphs. Hence, I need someone to
> > help me with this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > - inline -
> > ---
> > [email protected] mailing list
> > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to
> https://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
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Re: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music Accidentals

2022-12-24 Thread Jean Abou Samra 

Le 22/12/2022 à 13:09, Ali Unlu a écrit :

Hi everyone,

I use Overleaf with the MusixTex package to take notes for my Turkish 
Classical Music lessons and I need help with implementing the glyphs 
for the custom accidentals.


There are ten accidentals in Turkish Classical Music, eight of which 
are custom. A diagram showing all of them can be found in the 
Wikipedia page for Turkish makams 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_makam), the system used in 
Turksh Classical Music. These accidentals are available in Lilypond 
but it is not possible to use Overleaf with Lilypond.



Doesn't that sound like you want to find a way to use LilyPond instead 
of modifying MusiXTeX to add this ability, which sounds like it is very 
complicated?


If you prefer to edit your files over the Web, there are online LilyPond 
editors available, like


https://hacklily.org/

Best,
Jean



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Re: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music Accidentals

2022-12-24 Thread Hiroaki MORIMOTO 
Hello Ali Unlu and all,

This is a very similar theme to musixadf.tex which has been included in recent 
MusiXTeX distribution.

Unfortunately I am not familiar with Overleaf; I don't know whether Overleaf 
system does accept any additional METAFONT source and user-extension TeX macros 
by user level or not.

But if you have a TeX system working on your own local computer, there is a 
way.  It's lucky that the musical font of LilyPond are originally written in 
METAFONT; therefore, the font can also be used in other TeX documents within 
the licencing terms (GNU-GPLv3).

In case of my Windows 10 PC and W32TeX (nearly equal to TeXLive), the example 
procedure will be:

1. Get LilyPond source code from https://lilypond.org/source.en.html and 
extract it.
2. Copy all the contents of extracted lilypond-2.24.0\mf directory into (for 
example) C:\w32tex\share\texmf-local\fonts\source\public\lilypond.  The 
destination directory depends on the particular distributions (TeXLive, MiKTeX, 
etc.).
3. Run METAFONT to get the TFM file:
 mf \mode=ultre; input feta20.mf
   feta20.tfm and feta20.1200gf will be produced.
   feta20.tfm is needed in the next step.  feta20.1200gf is no longer needed.
4. Run TeX (not LaTeX, but plain TeX) for feta20.tex attached with this mail:
   tex feta20.tex
   In this process, the tfm file feta20.tfm generated by above described 
procedure is required.
   You will get a DVI file feta20.dvi if your TeX system is enough up-to-date 
and is set up appropriately.
   Convert the DVI file into PS with dvips 
 dvips -e 0 -D 1200 feta20.dvi
   or convert into PDF with dvipdfmx
 dvipdfmx -r1200 feta20.dvi
   otherwise you can use pdfTeX (color specials not work).
5. Find the character code of the character you want.
6. Develop extension macros to use the character you want. 

The step 6 is a very hard work.  This requires very deep understanding of 
musixtex.tex.  Unfortunately I cannot provide further help because I have no 
time nor motivation to develop for the time being.

Note that the attached file feta20.tex is made by me and for just my personal 
test use.  You can change the basename of the attached file as you like for the 
use of trying another font; but appropriate TFM file is required to run it.  I 
hope this file useful for everyone on this mailing list.

Good luck!

Sincerely, 

Hiroaki



- Original Message -
> From: Ali Unlu 
> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:09:44 +0300
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Tex-music] Help Needed for Implementing Turkish Classical Music
>   Accidentals
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I use Overleaf with the MusixTex package to take notes for my Turkish
> Classical Music lessons and I need help with implementing the glyphs for
> the custom accidentals.
> 
> There are ten accidentals in Turkish Classical Music, eight of which are
> custom. A diagram showing all of them can be found in the Wikipedia page
> for Turkish makams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_makam), the
> system used in Turksh Classical Music. These accidentals are available in
> Lilypond but it is not possible to use Overleaf with Lilypond.
> 
> With my limited knowledge, I managed to define the "mirrored" flat one as:
> 
> \newcommand{\bemol}[1]{%
> \reflectbox{\fl{#1}}\kern6pt%
> }
> 
> However, others require designing custom glyphs. Hence, I need someone to
> help me with this.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> - inline -
> ---
> [email protected] mailing list
> If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to 
> https://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music


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