Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread John P Brooks
Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen P51s fly over while caving in Carta Valley before. Actually, we were looking for caves. Because if we were, tevhnically caving, unless the rock was transperant, we wouldn,t have seen them.of course, with the

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread Corky
Or even better for us that are unable to cave right now, we could line our homes with LED's and project images of cave interiors. I could take a cave trip and never leave the farm! All I would need is a can of Guano Air Freshener to complete the illusion. Corky John P Brooks wrote: Those

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-12 Thread John P Brooks
The LED mesh we are using to cover the outside of a stadium costs around 400 to 500 usd per sf. Then you need all the technology infrastucture to run it...plus programs and content...but, yes, one could create a virtual cave at home. But before you make the leap...I would wait a couple of

[Texascavers] Mesh

2007-12-12 Thread Gill Ediger
At 10:15 AM 12/12/2007, John P Brooks wrote: The LED mesh we are using to cover the outside of a stadium costs around 400 to 500 usd per sf. Well, they wouldn't miss a, say, 20x30 foot piece chopped off the edge of it, would they? Just enough to line my living room Stadiums are big

[Texascavers] Building The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Gill Ediger
At 11:21 AM 12/12/2007, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? It's my understanding that they are hiring a couple of Mexicans. Should have it done in about 6 months. --Ediger - Visit our

Re: [Texascavers] coming with a smile--not caving, but about as good

2007-12-12 Thread David Locklear
Blondeau blows Evil Knievel away. Can I get one of those suits at Walmart? If so, will it be made in China? I bet there will be a Hollywood movie about him. I wonder if he will jump some school buses or a canyon or something? This is almost as exciting as the flying humans, but will probably

RE: [Texascavers] coming with a smile--not caving, but about as good

2007-12-12 Thread Stefan Creaser
I hardly think so David! If this guy left the ground then it was for all of about 5ft. Besides, I don't think you could jump several trucks/double-decker buses, or a canyon in that suit. It was cute, I'd give it that, and I'd like to give it a go down the bobsled run or the hill, but I'll not be

RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Nancy Weaver
I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to make

Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:12 -0600 nan...@io.com wrote: I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved or even by putting the

RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Linda Palit
Don't ask, don't tell. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:21 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007

Re: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread George Nincehelser
I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. That's probably just crazy talk, but it would make for a much shorter run of fence on the southern border. George

RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Stefan Creaser
These are articles a quick G*@le search brought up: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823 And if you really want to laugh: http://protoplasm.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/rep-tancredo-proposes-to-use- illegal-immigrants-to-build-border-fence/ So it seems that Illegal

RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Louise Power
Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first phase of a controversial electronic border

RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Nancy Weaver
Boeing gets the money - who does the work? Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first

RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Louise Power
You don't know unless you read the contract. Government contracts are public documents which you can get through FOIA. But I can tell you that, in general, the government restricts contractors from hiring anyone for a government job who is not a US citizen or who does not have a workers

RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread Katherine Arens
Just like truck drivers in Iraq: bill US union-hazard rates (three digits an hour, i heard), then hire labor from Pakistan for $60 a day. Every body's happy. Remember that Haliburton has moved HQ to Dubai . . . -k Don't ask, don't tell. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu

[Texascavers] OT The Geminids are coming! The Geminids are coming!

2007-12-12 Thread Louise Power
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22149504/?GT1=10645

Re: [Texascavers] OT The Geminids are coming! The Geminids are coming!

2007-12-12 Thread Corky
With a possible break in the rain no less! Yeeaaahhh! Louise Power wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22149504/?GT1=10645 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1181 - Release Date: 12/11/2007 5:05 PM

[Texascavers] Cave mapping software

2007-12-12 Thread speleosteele
From TagNet: Cave mapping software By: Pat Kambesis (Cave City, Kentucky) There is a lot of cave mapping software on the web and most is free. Go the the Speleogenesis website http://network.speleogenesis.info/direc tory/links/index.php to see whats out there. Two programs

Re: [Texascavers] Flying suits video

2007-12-12 Thread Don Cooper
The best and only real way to do this is for somebody to strap a fiberglass boogie board to the chest of his flying suit and go for it on a ski slope! I've even seen video of a guy flying over ski slopes at a 10 to 12 foot MAINTAINED (surface) altitude - land falling away at something probably

RE: [Texascavers] Flying suits video

2007-12-12 Thread Stefan Creaser
To bring this back to caving... Would anyone jump into Golandrinas wearing one of these things? Maybe with a back-up 'chute... Cheers, Stefan From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:24 PM To: George

[Texascavers] The Border Gone

2007-12-12 Thread Gill Ediger
At 11:33 AM 12/12/2007, George Nincehelser wrote: I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. Good idea, G. I've always hated borders--and really liked Mexicans. I'm afraid it wouldn't work,

RE: [Texascavers] The Border Gone

2007-12-12 Thread Stefan Creaser
How long is the Quebec border? -Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] At 11:33 AM 12/12/2007, George Nincehelser wrote: I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU.

Re: [Texascavers] The Border Gone

2007-12-12 Thread Matt Turner
http://www.spp.gov/ A few think that this is actually the start of the North American Union http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA - Lou Dobbs talking about it. Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty