Re: [ot_caving] Urine or You're Out - Another Perspective

2009-02-23 Thread Don Cooper
What strikes me most significantly is how people who've never been poor, disabled or otherwise challenged can make such broad, sweeping, self-satisfying judgment calls about such things they know nothing about. It seems that so many people that call themselves Christian have no problem at all

Re: [ot_caving] Urine or You're Out - Another Perspective

2009-02-23 Thread Quinta Wilkinson
Re: your defense of several persons that does include me~ I had parents who were much older and they lost all the money that they had - quite a lot for the 1970 and 1980's by the time they died. It went for medical - the 30 year policy with Blue Cross kicked them out when my mother had one

[Texascavers] Some Kinda Soul

2009-02-23 Thread Gill Ediger
At 09:30 AM 2/21/2009, John P. Brooks wrote: and love to go for a Saturday drive in the country on freeways that trench a horrid scar across our beautiful karst As a pilot and geographer I've come to have a different aspect to freeways: To me the Interstate Highway System and its

[Texascavers] Underground houses

2009-02-23 Thread Gill Ediger
At 12:11 PM 2/22/2009, bcow...@satx.rr.com wrote: I know of several limestone quarry mines that have homes built in the face It works out that the ground temperature in Central Texas is about 5 or 6 months out of phase with the atmospheric temperature--and it hovers in the 68º to 70º

[Texascavers] Re: Photos needed

2009-02-23 Thread Alex Sproul
The staff of Plunge Productions is looking for scanned images for our upcoming movie Texas Cavers.   Your assistance is so appreciated. Aimee, you and Joe and Grace better get on the stick. That sounds like a lot of missing pieces, and the (pushed back) deadline for SpeleMedia entries is only 5

Re: [Texascavers] Center of the Caving Universe

2009-02-23 Thread Preston Forsythe
Many cavers in the DC area have received those awards over the decades. Actual count.who is counting? Do we have any speleopoliticians in Washington,DC? Preston Forsythe in outer Browder, KY - - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To:

[Texascavers] Re: Center of the Caving Universe

2009-02-23 Thread Alex Sproul
Can any other city claim eight or more of these awards? Probably the greater District of Columbia area, which is in fact one solid mass of humanity, very densely caver-packed. You did say Austin area, so DC should be comparable... ;^D You get points for rooting for the home team, though.

[Texascavers] underground houses 2

2009-02-23 Thread Gill Ediger
At 12:01 PM 2/23/2009, Mixon Bill wrote: In Texas, humidity would be a problem. The one I designed has a vapor barrier (ref thick plastic) so that no cave air gets inside, only the cave temperature. All living space air comes from the outside atmosphere. That should solve both the humidity

Re: [Texascavers] underground horses 2

2009-02-23 Thread Bill Bentley-Webmail
How in the world do you keep from bumping your head riding underground on them horses? Oh that's right you said a 15' tall ceiling, I guess you would be okay. Bill Quoting Gill Ediger gi...@worldnet.att.net: At 12:01 PM 2/23/2009, Mixon Bill wrote: In Texas, humidity would be a problem.

Re: [Texascavers] underground horses 2

2009-02-23 Thread germanyj
I bet he has one of them 10-gallon Texas caver helmets I saw at convention MANY years ago.? julia -Original Message- From: Bill Bentley-Webmail ca...@caver.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 4:09 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] underground horses 2

[Texascavers] UT Grotto spring break trip to Brinco cave

2009-02-23 Thread sandi-calhoun
I've gotten a lot of interest in this trip lately, and I am not sure if I have contact info for everyone who has expressed interest. At this point I would like to request that anyone who is interested in going and hasn't directly confirmed their participation with me to please do two

[ot_caving] It must have been because of Vista O/S...

2009-02-23 Thread Don Cooper
Microsoft is requesting refund from overpaid severance issued to laid-off employees: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE51M60W20090223 (as irony meshes with karma...) -WaV

[Texascavers] Caving Club at SFA

2009-02-23 Thread Mike Gross
Hey guys -- SFA is my alma mater. Over the 17 years from 1971 to 1988, migrating from Forestry to Geology to Spanish to English, I managed to get myself a degree there, along with lots of other adventures. I'll be trying to get in touch with them. There is nice little cave in East Texas,over

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Club at SFA

2009-02-23 Thread R D Milhollin
Wasn't David Locklear exploring for caves in East Texas a while back? Where is Locklear anyway? --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Mike Gross mgr...@cwa-tseu.org wrote: From: Mike Gross mgr...@cwa-tseu.org Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Club at SFA To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, February

[Texascavers] new caving club

2009-02-23 Thread Mixon Bill
the uncharted caverns of East Texas? Good luck with that. -- Mixon -- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org

Re: [Texascavers] new caving club

2009-02-23 Thread germanyj
Pseudokarst of East Texas! -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 9:09 pm Subject: [Texascavers] new caving club the uncharted caverns of East Texas? Good luck with that. -- Mixon?

RE: [Texascavers] new caving club

2009-02-23 Thread Geary Schindel
I thought West Texas was everything west of the Pecos and east Texas was everything east with the exception of Houston which is considered no-mans land. G From: germa...@aol.com [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:19 PM To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com;

[Texascavers] underground houses

2009-02-23 Thread Mixon Bill
Dick Blenz once entertained the idea of building a house in the Volcano Room in Buckners Cave, near Bloomington, Indiana. Up there is makes some sense. While the cave humidity is the usual very high, the cave temperature is about 56 F, so that when the modest amount of heating is applied,

Re: [Texascavers] underground houses

2009-02-23 Thread Philip L Moss
In addition to Mixon's criticisms, there is always the issue of alpha radiation. All earth material tends to have some alpha radiation emitters (often more simply and misleadingly called radon). The more surfaces one has that are earth material (dirt, limestone, concrete), the more fresh air

RE: [Texascavers] underground houses

2009-02-23 Thread Louise Power
When I worked at Carlsbad Caverns NP, we were constantly monitored for our radon exposure. Each crew worked in a progressively deeper part of the caverns, then had to work on the surface for a period of time. Also our cave tech, Kay Rohde, came through several times a day with her little air

Re: [Texascavers] underground houses

2009-02-23 Thread William Tucker
This discussion has caused me to remember an interesting graph I once saw where someone carried a geiger counter around TX and NM. I found it again, here: http://www.randomuseless.info/vacation/vacation.html. The graph itself is here: http://www.randomuseless.info/vacation/route/route.html.

[Texascavers] New caving group starting up in East Texas :

2009-02-23 Thread jerryatkin
A new university student group is forming in East Texas under the guidance of Kevin Stafford, recent New Mexico transplant and newest Director of the Texas Speleological Survey. Jerry. CAVE seeks members to learn, enjoy the exploration of caves By: Mark Rhoudes The Pine Log, newspaper of