That doesn't seem like much fun. Wouldn't that take all the mystery and
excitement out of cave exploration?
I think we should protest this intrusion on our domain.
David Locklear wrote:
There was something in the news this week about the launching
of a big research vessel that would map the
I agree...using photoshop is neither good or bad. It is just another tool for
creating images.
As for the extraordinary cave photos that prompted this discussion; I thought
they were stunning. They were executed with a sound understanding of
composition, color and most important; art was prese
You can cave canoe in barton creek cave in belize. Its a quite popular tourist
attraction...a few tousand feet in...the river is blocked by a collapse...and
you start "caving" at that point.
David Locklear wrote:
> That photo in the previous post shows a scenic cave. I would
> love to go to C
>People get injured or killed playing golf?!
Killed probably not, but injured, sure. Golfer's elbow, for example.
What about the risk of being struck by lightening while playing golf? That is
probably more likely to occur than having a caving accident. And of co
President Shrub thinks we will just switch to bio-fuels..that will
surely save the world
On 10/28/07 8:53 AM, "Mike Quinn" wrote:
> When was the last nuclear power plant built? When will the next singular plant
> produce power? When will we have 10,000 nuclear power plants of *any* kind
Carl,
Yes...its hard to believe it has been 30 years since the first TCR! And, btw,
it was the 30th anniversary of an ASS grotto trip to the first TCR. It is
amazing how much things have changed!
I somehow slipped away with pre-ordering my copy of "50 Years of Texas
Caving"...is it poss
The ASS had been around for 4 or 5 years when I got to A&M in 1976. It was my
understanding that Alicia, John Gale, David Finfrock, Bob Bliss, Doug Symank
and Phil Jank were some of the organizing members. And Finfrock had already
graduated the year before I arrived..in 1975.so I knew who he
" The price for
registration includes all camping, the meal on Saturday night, and the other
fun and festivities. "
Could you please define what type of "fun" is included in the price of
admission? Or are there exclusions for the more fun or less fun "fun"?
I promise a mosquito free...and highly entertaining members meeting on
Sunday morning.immediately following the TCMA meeting.
And don't forget to send me those nominations for the 2008 TSA Officers.
Those positions are : Chairman, Vice Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer! I am
sure that everyone
You can typically find flood plain information with regards to a specific
piece of property on Property Appraisal District maps. Dallas County
Appraisal District has online maps that are quite useful for checking these
things. Seems like San Antonio has a similar siteas does the Austin
area. Th
I use a similar technique to Bills. Upon arriving home from a trip...I spread
my gear out on my drive and hose it down...if it needs it, I use a brush with
good bristles to scrub packed on dirt off..and will sometimes soak clothes and
gear in a wash tub. And I have been known to add a drop of bl
Greetings Texas Cavers, TSA Members and residents of the Center of the Caving
Universe ( aka TEXAS);
Its that time of year again! Its time for the TSA officer elections. Between
now and TCR; I ask each of you to think about who you think would be a great
TSA officer. Please nominate the ca
The TSA will hold its Fall Members meeting on Sunday morning, immediately
following the TCMA meeting.
There are numerous exciting topics on our agenda for this meeting, so make
plans to attend now.
More details and an agenda to follow!
John Brooks
Hey...when you really get down to it...everything is cave related. Think about
all the biblical references and stories that include cavesso religion is
cave related. Think of all the politicians that we would like to take into a
cave...and seal the entrance. Think about all the sexual metaph
I agree David. That was a fabulous issue of the Texas Caver. Thank you Mark!
And thanks to all those who shared their caving stories. I especially liked
how the photos worked with the cave map!
John Brooks
On 9/8/07 1:10 AM, "David Locklear" wrote:
> I got a Texas Caver in the mail today.
I figured that you would dib: the "LED BORE-hole"
On 8/30/07 11:03 PM, "David Locklear" wrote:
> If I ever find a new passage in a Texas cave,
>
> I would like to call dibs on the following name:
>
> "The Wrath of CaveTex"
>
> David Locklear
>
> -
There is a creation musuem near glen rose, texas also. But it is not quite as
high tech. But it did have evidende equally convincing as shaking seats and
white guy actors playing archangels...their proof is a minature diarama with
plastic humans standing in an ancient riverbed and a pastic t rex
Next cave I find is gonna be called "Cave tex"
On 8/27/07 8:48 PM, "Preston Forsythe" wrote:
> Hi Cave Namer Out There:
>
> Well, I have named more than a few caves, but not as many as some cavers. At
> convention Dick Blenz gave me a list of the most common cave names in the
> US. Dick for dec
Currently on my coffee table is:
"Beneath the Cloud Forests"; a gripping account of cave exploration in Papua
New Guinea...and several other books on caves in Southeast
Asia"Caves of Gunung Buda 2000", "Caves of Gunung Buda"...and "Alpine
Caving Techniques"..several books on architectur
Perhaps one of our geologists could explain what these ³Faults² really are?
Are these really faults like the San Andreas or New Madrid fault?..Or
are they just big ³mud² cracks?
Several years ago; I was working on a project in the Houston area. And one
of these ³faults² crossed the project site
My calendar is marked for tcr!
A few tsa announcements! Please nominate your favorite cavers for a tsa
office...its election time again! And please plan on attending the tsa meeting
at tcr.
John brooks (in los angeles...hey its not as glamorous as guatemala or
merida...but at least its not dall
My calendar is marked for tcr!
A few tsa announcements! Please nominate your favorite cavers for a tsa
office...its election time again! And please plan on attending the tsa meeting
at tcr.
John brooks (in los angeles...hey its not as glamorous as guatemala or
merida...but at least its not dall
My calendar is marked for tcr!
A few tsa announcements! Please nominate your favorite cavers for a tsa
office...its election time again! And please plan on attending the tsa meeting
at tcr.
John brooks (in los angeles...hey its not as glamorous as guatemala or
merida...but at least its not dall
My calendar is marked for tcr!
A few tsa announcements! Please nominate your favorite cavers for a tsa
office...its election time again! And please plan on attending the tsa meeting
at tcr.
John brooks (in los angeles...hey its not as glamorous as guatemala or
merida...but at least its not dall
At one time; San Antonio installed numerous large bat houses to help control
the local insect population. I don't when these were installed or why they
were eventually taken down. Although I think it was around the turn of the
century. From what I have read and/or heard; it was a somewhat successfu
On 8/14/07 10:07 PM, "Scott" wrote:
³Yeah dead dog is under Lubys.²
Somehow...that seems appropriate...So was Dead Dog ³chicken fried² and
filled in? Or is it still accessible?
Rebecca,
Austin has one of the most progressive watershed protection ordinances in
the country. See the link below:
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/watershed/ordinances.htm
There is a wealth of information about it on their website. As a caver; I
have to say that the ordinances do not go far enough t
Latest reports indicate that the drill hole might have missed the miners.
David Locklear wrote: The news claims that rescuers
have drilled into the mine
near where the miners were thought to be and placed a microphone.
I have been in cave passages where I could not hear a person who
was in th
Do they offer a low sodium tour for half price?
On 8/8/07 10:42 AM, "David Locklear" wrote:
> I mentioned last year that I wanted to try to organize a tour
> to a salt cavern.
>
> I finally got a response from United Salt Corp.
>
> http://www.unitedsalt.com/
>
> Here is the e-mail they sent
Gee. Thats very altruistic of them to preserve 6 acres of an entire plain of
unique habitat! I guess its a start. But it sounds like they are putting a
positive spin on it and are looking for brownie points for preserving 6 acres
while irresponsibly developing 350 acres.
Don't get me wrong. I
>
> There indeed is a cave north of Lost Maples, however TXDOT has put a
> permanent gate on the cave and it has no door for access. Please do NOT
> attempt to breech the gate, I believe someone is actively working on getting
> access to the cave for cavers and research again. Plus, one time no
The "other" currency listed was "CDF"I think...which I believe is some
strange, but highly fashionable and aromatic French currency.
In my opinion, it would be a fashion mistake to wear this light with anything
less than the latest Duchamp or Ted Baker caving suitand Donald Pliner
cavi
It costs 318 British pounds. (1 U.S. dollar = 0.487590814 British
pounds). That¹s around 652 USD. Hopefully you could get a little better
exchange rate with the right credit card.
At that price...you might need to buy a new helmet also...so you can be
color coordinated.
On 7/20/07 11:50 PM,
And now I don't
> have anybody to take me to the airport. Why do would any
> sane person get married?
>
> David Locklear
As an insane unmarried person that is responsible for getting myself to the
airport at ridiculous hours of the day..on a much too frequent
basis.do what I do,
Texas Cavers and TSA members,
I regret to inform you that Michael Cicherski has resigned as TSA Treasurer.
His resignation is due a well deserved career advancement and other personal
commitments that have limited his time to fulfill the tasks of the office.
Michael has been an amazing Treasurer a
I have an amazing picture of the whitest most pure flowstoneon top of the
grossiest, nastiest guanothat I had to crawl through that nasty poo to get
the pictureit sort of made getting completely slimed worth it
But I don't think beautiful calcite on top of bat poo proves
anythi
> How do southern Indiana mosquitos compare to east Texas
> mosquitos?
They are like small birds.
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Over the years; I have accumulated a lot of old worn out caving gear. Packs,
with holes, flashlights that don't work and seem impossible to fix, worn out
knee pads, old scratched up mud stained helmets, cable ladders, tripods for
digging, miscellaneous sledge hammers and shovels, musty camping gear
>
> I hope I live long enough to see a cell-phone with an altimeter, barometer,
> and
> temperature gauge, and compass, a satelite TV/radio, heart-rate monitor, LED
> light, tooth-pick, tweezers, bottle-opener. It would have a
> Swiss-army label and the word Sunntos on it somewhere. In the
Greetings Cavers.
PLEASE DO NOT USE PAYPAL ON THE TSA WEBSITE DURING THE MONTH OF JULY 2007.
The TSA is in the process of changing banksand it will make things
simpler for our hardworking treasurer.
Thank you,
John Brooks
2007 TSA Chairman
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I am dizzy from watching that. Was it on an endless loop?
On 6/29/07 3:41 PM, "Don Cooper" wrote:
> Thanks! And to think that I had all the words COMPLETELY wrong.
> -WaV
>
> On 6/29/07, Goff, Laura D. mailto:lg...@rexelusa.com> >
> wrote:
>> I do not us ually post anything (prefer to sit
OKnow I am officially grossed out.
I thought the chicken in Belize had a great free range taste.maybe it had
nothing to do with the free range.
Geary Schindel wrote:
v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default
BCI and TCMA should have a "bat BBQ" at TCR to raise money for bat and cave
conservation. They could BBQ several different species and everyone could taste
each. We could answer the question once and for all whether bats taste like
chicken, Of course; They should probably BBQ a couple of chicken
> So basically now we made ourselves criminals by our own hands.that was
> smart.
I thought the intent of the law was to facilitate the prosecution of the
most egregious acts of cave vandalism?
Does the new law mean that a permit from the state is now required to "dig
open" or "rock shave" a
>
>
> (Note: This show also includes Allan Cobb of Austin, Texas, who was one of the
> explorers on the expedition - GLA)
>
Is this the cave related program that features a catastrophic, but
spectacular, nearly fatal accident and highly dramatic rescue?
> I am really surprised that we don't have a car advertised as
> a"Disposable Car." This car would be designed to fall apart all at
> once at say 50,000 miles or 100,000
> miles. You would only do basic maintenance and then recycle it.
> What is the
> closest thing we have to that?
Its called a F
Hey! That company makes LED lighted reading glasses as well! Those would
come in handy for those late-night "pickle barrel" runs AND for sketching
while surveying..
On 6/10/07 11:11 AM, "bec_kar...@juno.com" wrote:
> This is going to sound kookie, but I purchased a 2-LED hat at Lowes
> while on
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:20 PM
To: John P Brooks
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT--ASS reunion at TCR ?
Maybe you can convene that Carta Valley group too... (what were they called?)
-WaV
On 6/7/07, John P Brooks < jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
Calling all A.S.S.es!
There has been a discussion going on between a few of us old A.S.S.es about
the possibility of an A.S.S. reunion at this years TCR. This is the 30th annual
TCRand it just so happens to be the 30th anniversary of an A.S.S. Grotto
trip to the first Texas Old Timers Reun
Are any caving related "podcasts" being produced?
Kara Savvas wrote: David, and others,
You *can* download spanish educational materials to your iPod, and it is free.
If you go to the iTunes website, or use the 'store' feature in iTunes, you can
access the iPod directory, and look in the educa
Is there a specific type of light called LED light? Or is light just light?
Please enlighten us.
On 6/5/07 9:43 AM, "gi...@att.net" wrote:
>> Brian Vauter wrote:
>
> It should also be pointed out that the devices (electric or carbide or
> whatever) that produce light are correctly named "lamps
I sent her a reply. And will post additional details when I hear back.
On 6/4/07 7:29 AM, "J. LaRue Bills" wrote:
> I received the following through the TSA website. Can anyone tell me anything
> I can pass along? Jacqui
>
>
> - Original Message -
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:08
The site said it would take between 6 months and 180 days to
exploredepending on when your air expired.
David Locklear wrote: How many miles of unexplored
passage are there?
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Its wierd that you have not seen itmy high performance gas that I buy
from 7-11 claims to have up to 10% ethanol contentwhich I suppose is E85
isn't it?
But then...maybe us "corn fed" North Texans are a few years more advanced,
more ecologically friendly and more Liberal than you
We must have smarter cashiers in Dallasas I often give the cashiers a
combination of change and dollars based on the change I wantand most of the
time I get exactly what I wanted.so that must mean that in addition to
being the geographical center of the caving universe...we are also
I suppose that someone lost in the woods would follow the string...in
theory...as it would make sense to do so. But we all know that lost people
sometimes do not do the rational thing.
A few years back; we had someone lost in the fog on the rock praire in
Oklahoma. Its a long story to "how" th
That sounds downright UNAMERICAN. A special pass for permission to get out
and enjoy nature? Maybe that would go over big in the Soviet Union; where
they have secret prisons, invade sovereign nations for sport, run wiretaps
without warrants and spy on their citizens...and where the government
r
I just received a few items from GGG last week
Pete Lindsley wrote: Andy, when I heard from Becky
about 3 weeks ago she indicated she would
have to be out of state for "a few weeks" due to a family emergency.
- Pete
Andy Gluesenkamp wrote:
> Hey All,
> I've been trying to reach Becky Jon
Aimee or Bev,
I have the cable item...that you are apparently missing. Please contact me
off line to retrieve.
John Brooks
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There is also a BEE CAVE in Kickapoo Caverns SNA. I have BEEn there...and
prayed that the BEEs didn't sting me on my BEEhind while I climbed down the
new cruciform ladder.
It was a warm cave...and didn't require any LED lights or body heat from
members of either sexual preference.
On 4/26/07 11:4
If you think the NSS News article was cool...you should get the Lechugilla DVD
and see those pictures on your computer
You can look around 360 degrees horizontally and vertically. And you can zoom
into areas for a closer look.
There is also a Carlsbad caverns DVD. It has around 26 images.
Several items were left at the convention site.if these are yours; please
contact me off line for arranging thier safe return:
1. A tan and white mens nylon jacket.
2. A "rube goldburg" modified battery charger for some type of computer
devicewith orange cablesit was found
Sounds like some sort of fancy climbing harness to me. Or possibly a hat.
Geary Schindel wrote: Subject: lost and
found
Lost and Found:
While cleaning and shutting down the Deep and Punkin cabin this weekend,
someone found an unusual item under one of the bunks. No one a
Charles,
That would be great! Nope...no one has volunteered for this...and Kara
Dittmar and Logan McNatt has been good natured and has just continued to do it.
Even though he wants to step aside.
I will find out how we can get you plugged into taking this over.
Are you in Austin ?
les 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote:
Sorry, am in Fort Worth, but will that be a problem? I do plan on
attending TCR, this will just ensure that we're there :)
John P Brooks wrote:
> Charles,
>
> That would be great! Nope...no one has volunteered for this...and Kara
> Dittmar a
Charles,
I just copied you on a message from Kara and my response.
Can you take on coordinating the TSA store for TCR ?
I understand that Denise, from Austin, has also expressed an interest in
working with the store.but she will not be at TCR. But at some point, we
should all discuss how the s
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> From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM
> To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith
> Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose -
to validate the users. I just registered
myself and that works.
Butch
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From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:28 AM
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net]
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Cc: webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Technically it's online now but I need to work out a co
I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website.
It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more
effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base.
And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and
explor
Charles
My vote would be IF you hit Reply ...it goes to the sender.and Reply ALL
goes to the entire list.
And I have one other suggestionis IF there is an option to receive the
daily postings in a digest form...then I could see that option being
something appealing.
Now I don't want to ste
Oh my god. Brian and I were room mates for a few years up here in Dallas. I
still laugh when I remember some of our misadventures. My favorite was a trip
we took to Honey Creek Cave. And I thought it would be funny to use duck decoys
for floatation instead of the usual plastic clorox bottles. It
Its a miracle that the Aggie Speleological Society hasn't been forced by the
conservatives in College Station to change its name.
Bill Mixon wrote:
I once helped map newly discovered Half Mile Haul in Wind Cave, SD. Long
(for Wind Cave), straight borehole. We did a 400 foot 0 inches shot (not
On 9/16/05 1:49 PM, "felicia vreeland" wrote:
> I am saving all of these memoirs in a folder to give to Brian's wife and
> kids. Alex is at an extremely vulnerable age to lose such a cool dad so
> anything you guys want to maybe say to him or give to him to read about
> his dad later on . kee
As the
> transmission voltage was 2800 volts, step-down transformers were placed in
> the Lake Room to reduce it to 110 volts for the lighting. Despite the
> possibility of electrocution, the group managed to convince Dallas scuba diver
> Bill
> Williams to explore the depths of the Lake Room po
i did...that should account for at least 5 or 6.
--- Lise Hogan wrote:
> I did - that's one
>
> Lise
>
> --- jerryat...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > How many sign-ups do we have now on
> Texascavers.com ?
> >
> > Thanks, Jerry.
> > ___
> > Texascavers mai
I acknowledge the caving community for finding solutions to support each
other in times of need. Those responsible for organizing this at the TCC
headquarters clearly deserve to be thanked for their efforts.
But I would strongly disagree with the point of view that you have proposed.
If a governmen
I have always had mixed feelings about "cave houses". I know that any human
activity in caves will have an impact. Caving by its very nature has an
impact. We leave footprints and scuff marks. If we dig or move rocks; that
changes things. If we survey--that has an impact. But at what point does the
If I wasn¹t so dumb; I would be offended by that.
On 12/13/05 6:40 PM, "germa...@aol.com" wrote:
> Smart Bats Have Smaller Testicles
> From World Caving News http://www.zenas.gr/WCN
>
> 13 Dec. 2005
> By Ker Than
> LiveScience Staff Writer
>
> For male bats, intelligence comes at a steep pri
Well; Since Dallas is actually the center of the caving universe; I would say
join THE DFW Grotto .of course it might take a couple of hours to get to
the meetings from your house.
Ryan Michael Lozano wrote:Hello All,
I'm looking for a little help here. I'm going to be moving back to
after 25 years of caving with glasses; I have found that lasik vision
correction works best tp reduce fogging of the lenses.of course; now I need
reading glasses for sketching...
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> Dear D/FW Metroplex area caver:
>> >
>> > You and your spouse/significant other/date are cordially invited to the
>> > annual Caver Christmas Party on Saturday evening, December 10, at Diana
>> > Tomchick and Bill Steele's home in Irving. Children are also welcome! A
>> > potluck dinner will beg
Recently, I was on a 12 hour survey trip in Roaring Red River Cave up there
in Montague County with Tex Caver. We were racking up hundred foot shots
like they were going out of style. So we had some time to kill while we were
waiting for Godot. He is a notoriously slow sketcher, if he shows up at a
Never used a net. But once I did notice someone standing on the rope that was
being pulled up at lip edge of golindrinos with thier back to the pit and for
the most part oblivious to what was going on. Some people are just lucky; they
don't need nets.
Its the location of the "kilometer of walking passage" that you "found" in
Blowhole ?
Aaron Addison wrote:
How 'bout no...
There have been many good guesses already, but alas, no one is near.
Aaron
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Does Devils Sinkhole show up on Google Earth ?
Bill Mixon wrote:I can't try it (telephone line),
but Google Earth is a pretty sorry program
if it can't accept UTM coordinates. It ought to be able to accept them in
any datum and convert as necessary. Golondrinas is at 489921E 2388483N, zone
14, d
The larger cities have the buildings in 3D ! Check out Dallas. Or New York.
I haven¹t looked at Austin to see if its that way.
Sketch-up ( a low cost 3d modeling program ) was supposedly used to create
the downtown buildings.
It would be fairly simple to create basic 3D models of Golindrinos and so
I would imagine that most of our "stuff" will be sold at an estate sale or be
thrown away or be donated to the TSS within the next 50 to 70 years anyway. So
what difference does it make whether the CD lasts 200 years or 300 years.
Besides; I am certain that eventually some future cave archaeolog
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