Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

On May 14, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: >> >> Maybe so, but this is where the role of the volunteer could step in to >> assist in cave management, and in fact this is already being done by various >> volunteer caving groups around the country. Join your local group (NSS, >> CRF, ca

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

On 05/14/2014 14:30, Harvey DuChene wrote: It’s hard to be a volunteer working on resources that have been arbitrarily closed. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Diana Tomchick > wrote: On May 14, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Harvey DuChene wrote: > Now it

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

from list of suspected bat fungus areas Amen On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote: On May 14, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Harvey DuChene wrote: > Now it costs Agencies money to inventory and manage cave resources. It > requires people, vehicle use, computers, GPS

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Amen On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Diana Tomchick < diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote: > On May 14, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Harvey DuChene wrote: > > > Now it costs Agencies money to inventory and manage cave resources. It > requires people, vehicle use, computers, GPS units, software and

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

On May 14, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Harvey DuChene wrote: > Now it costs Agencies money to inventory and manage cave resources. It > requires people, vehicle use, computers, GPS units, software and a lot of > other things I don’t know about. WNS has give managers in these agencies an > opportunity to

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

to:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 10:17 AM To: michael queen Cc: nmcaver list Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas Well said, Michael! On May 14, 2014, at 9:32 AM, michael queen wrote: Ms. Power

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

ple federal employees > have to deal with. Welcome to adult reality. I fhink if's time to leave the > "all agencies who don't do what I want are bad agencies" discussion. It's not > productive. > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 13:34:18 -0600 > From: speleozarkis...@gm

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

quot; discussion. It's not productive. >> >> ------------------ >> Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 13:34:18 -0600 >> From: speleozarkis...@gmail.com >> To: dgda...@nyx.net; s...@caver.net >> Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fung

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

es" discussion. It's not productive. > > -- > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 13:34:18 -0600 > From: speleozarkis...@gmail.com > To: dgda...@nyx.net; s...@caver.net > Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas > >

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

productive. Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 13:34:18 -0600 From: speleozarkis...@gmail.com To: dgda...@nyx.net; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas did anyone ever feel accommodated and welcomed by the forest, blm, etc? or am i only the one that felt

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

y 2014 12:28:33 -0600 CC: nmca...@comcast.net; s...@caver.net; derekbris...@comcast.net; dgda...@nyx.net; dbuec...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas Michael, While I whole heartedly agree with what you are saying I also believe strongly t

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

recreation as a resource. I would like to state politely that I feel this needs to be a two way street of respect and information. Jen. > Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 16:37:23 -0400 > To: s...@caver.net > From: mmin...@caver.net > Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspe

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Mark, I have pointed this out before, but it bears repeating. Humans _must_ not be a very good vector for transmitting WNS because the NSS Convention was held in Indiana in 2007, the year after WNS appeared in the Northeast. No one was doing decon then, and there were surely cavers fr

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

I have pointed this out before, but it bears repeating. Humans _must_ not be a very good vector for transmitting WNS because the NSS Convention was held in Indiana in 2007, the year after WNS appeared in the Northeast. No one was doing decon then, and there were surely cavers from affec

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

did anyone ever feel accommodated and welcomed by the forest, blm, etc? or am i only the one that felt merely tolerated? I know occasionally there would be research or mapping and times they would use us. but in a lot of areas it was just a nuisance for the authorities (rescuing spelunkers, pe

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

[SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas I have a hard time seeing humans as a significant vector in the spread of WNS, and have seen no evidence that supports this as a reality, not just a possibility. This includes the initial jump across the Atlantic. If humans are a mino

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

I have a hard time seeing humans as a significant vector in the spread of WNS, and have seen no evidence that supports this as a reality, not just a possibility. This includes the initial jump across the Atlantic. If humans are a minor factor in the spread then we may expect the disease to run its

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

>> Humans have carried fungal spores across the entire planet and probably into >> space, so we should also take some responsibility for this catastrophe. >> > Humans have been responsible for a number of serious threats to wildlife. > Sometimes inadvertent, and other times purposeful, but I t

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

On May 12, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Debbie Buecher wrote: > All in all it is becoming a desperate situation for a number of bat species. > I don’t think anyone disagrees. The disagreement seems to be around what we should do in response. > I have no interest in getting in an argument about human-tr

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Mark, thanks for the perspective (and you beat me to the comment). Translocation clearly is the most obvious cause when applying Occam's Razor. It makes eminent sense except for folks who have something to gain from keeping the human vector fantasy alive. It's not only the media, it's the agenc

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Mark Minton wrote: > Early on in discussions of the spread of WNS it was pointed >out that Howe Caverns (where WNS was first detected) is only 40 miles >from the Port of Albany. An infected bat could very easily have >hitched a ride from Europe to the US on a boat and then taken up >r

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Early on in discussions of the spread of WNS it was pointed out that Howe Caverns (where WNS was first detected) is only 40 miles from the Port of Albany. An infected bat could very easily have hitched a ride from Europe to the US on a boat and then taken up residence in Howe Caverns. T

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Tucson, AZ 84715 phone: (520) 722-1287 cell: (520) 822-4726 From: "Peter Jones" To: "Jim Evatt" Cc: "List, NM" , "DAVIS, DONALD" Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 7:49:47 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas W

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

7050 E. Katchina Court > Tucson, AZ 84715 > phone: (520) 722-1287 > cell: (520) 822-4726 > > > From: "Peter Jones" > To: "Jim Evatt" > Cc: "List, NM" , "DAVIS, DONALD" > Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 7:49:47 AM > Subject: Re:

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

phone: (520) 722-1287 cell: (520) 822-4726 - Original Message - From: "Peter Jones" To: "Jim Evatt" Cc: "List, NM" , "DAVIS, DONALD" Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 7:49:47 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

From: Stephen Fleming Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:05 AM To: Peter Jones Cc: NM Caver List ; DONALD G. DAVIS Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Peter Jones wrote: Although the spread of WNS through the human

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

gt; surviving despite the spore presence. Seems likely since WNS, or at least a >> nearly twin sister of it, has been present in Europe for almost 100 years, >> and while bats have died, not one case of a species going extinnct has been >> reported. >> >> E ^v^ >&

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

long fall. E ^v^ From: Peter Jones Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 8:49 AM To: Jim Evatt Cc: DONALD G. DAVIS ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas WNS itself does not kill the bats. It is in fact a minor irritant, much like a nasal cold

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Peter Jones wrote: > Although the spread of WNS through the human vector is all but debunked at > this point > When was it ever a viable theory? Pure fantasy. Just knee jerk hysteria from the get-go. Widely touted, never remotely demonstrated in field conditions,

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

, and while bats have died, not one case of a species going extinnct has been reported. E ^v^ Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas Hi, Donald: Having just spent two weeks photographing throughout Ft Stanton and talking at length with Mike Bilbo about

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

arly twin sister of it, has been present in Europe for almost 100 years, > and while bats have died, not one case of a species going extinnct has been > reported. > > E ^v^ > > > Subject: Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas > >

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Hey, Carl: I completely agree with your two hypotheses of how WNS arrived here. The winds from Africa is certainly a very valid point, although I suspect that the bat stowaway on a ship is the more likely culprit. If they roost under bridges in Texas, no reason why they wouldn't do the same i

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Hi, Donald: Having just spent two weeks photographing throughout Ft Stanton and talking at length with Mike Bilbo about WNS and decon, I doubt seriously that BLM is going to reverse its decision about cave closures. Despite the false reading of the Oklahoma bat, WNS has been steadily marching

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

"William Tucker" wrote: > I haven't seen anyone discussing this; possibly because the news has >not gotten around, yet. I just received this press announcement. > > >May 6, 2014 > >A service of the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife >Conservatio

Fwd: FW: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

I still can't find the link on the webpage, late for work now. May 6, 2014 A service of the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation OKLAHOMA REMOVED FROM LIST OF SUSPECTED BAT FUNGUS AREAS

[SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

I haven't seen anyone discussing this; possibly because the news has not gotten around, yet. I just received this press announcement. May 6, 2014 A service of the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation O