Thank you Allan for the kudos on the newsletter.
I’m going to take exception to Stefan’s comment regarding it being selfish for
individual Grottos to publish their own newsletter since Bexar Grotto appears
to be the only grotto publishing regularly.
It takes a lot of work to get
Thank you Allan for the kudos on the newsletter.
I’m going to take exception to Stefan’s comment regarding it being selfish for
individual Grottos to publish their own newsletter since Bexar Grotto appears
to be the only grotto publishing regularly.
It takes a lot of work to get
Thank you Allan for the kudos on the newsletter.
I’m going to take exception to Stefan’s comment regarding it being selfish for
individual Grottos to publish their own newsletter since Bexar Grotto appears
to be the only grotto publishing regularly.
It takes a lot of work to get
It is nice to know that NCKRI is in favor of recreational caving. Some cavers
have actually told me that they thought NCKRI would become part of the federal
govt. conglomerate and therefore limit or ban caving in some areas except for
research purposes. I am sure that we will all be glad that
It is nice to know that NCKRI is in favor of recreational caving. Some cavers
have actually told me that they thought NCKRI would become part of the federal
govt. conglomerate and therefore limit or ban caving in some areas except for
research purposes. I am sure that we will all be glad that
Freddie wrote:
“It is nice to know that NCKRI is in favor of recreational caving. Some cavers
have actually told me that they thought NCKRI would become part of the federal
govt. conglomerate and therefore limit or ban caving in some areas except for
research purposes. I am sure that we will
It is nice to know that NCKRI is in favor of recreational caving. Some cavers
have actually told me that they thought NCKRI would become part of the federal
govt. conglomerate and therefore limit or ban caving in some areas except for
research purposes. I am sure that we will all be glad that
Freddie wrote:
“It is nice to know that NCKRI is in favor of recreational caving. Some cavers
have actually told me that they thought NCKRI would become part of the federal
govt. conglomerate and therefore limit or ban caving in some areas except for
research purposes. I am sure that we will
Superb idea, Mark!
Editors, do your part.
Thanks,
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER
- A Discussion
Just wanted to thank all of you for the great response, compliments, ideas, and
suggestions to Mimi and my post here on CaveTex.
It was encouraging to see all of your thoughts on how to get more material for
publication in The TEXAS CAVER and I was pleasantly surprised to hear that not
Superb idea, Mark!
Editors, do your part.
Thanks,
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER
- A Discussion
Just wanted to thank all of you for the great response, compliments, ideas, and
suggestions to Mimi and my post here on CaveTex.
It was encouraging to see all of your thoughts on how to get more material for
publication in The TEXAS CAVER and I was pleasantly surprised to hear that not
Superb idea, Mark!
Editors, do your part.
Thanks,
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:08 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER
- A Discussion
Just wanted to thank all of you for the great response, compliments, ideas, and
suggestions to Mimi and my post here on CaveTex.
It was encouraging to see all of your thoughts on how to get more material for
publication in The TEXAS CAVER and I was pleasantly surprised to hear that not
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure
there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of
apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a
comment:
Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all
I think that you will find a lot of us unscientific or sport cavers agree
with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go
caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty
years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore!
UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned
and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the
Maverick Grotto
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's
well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc,
then SUBMIT them!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think that you will find
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for
making that happen.
Allan
Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone
On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
Believe it or not,
That's great news, Lyndon!
Thanks for sharing this info.
Ray, Jacqui, and any other editors out there:
Please be sure to email me a copy of y'all's newsletter. If I find
something of interest, I would like to run it in the TC.
This is a great way to introduce new cavers to the wider Texas
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science
articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science
articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues
through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've
never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly
science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies
for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that
publications are too
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report,
Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with.
--- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:
From: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS
I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own
newsletters and not support the Texas Caver.
Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas
Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter
serve?
My 2p.
Who says the two have to be mutually exclusive? I enjoy Speleospace (the
Houston Grotto newsletter) and The Texas Caver.
Our grotto newsletters feature meeting minutes, etc that would be an
absolute bore to anyone not affiliated with the Houston Grotto. We have the
same problems as Mark, tho...no
Sorry The Maverick Grotto flopped, there were a lot of articles that started
there and ended up in The Caver. Same thing with the DFW Oztotl years ago.
I can't do the things I did back then so don't get out to write articles.
Surely there's someone out there with an ego that likes to see their
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure
there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of
apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a
comment:
Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all
I think that you will find a lot of us unscientific or sport cavers agree
with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go
caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty
years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore!
UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned
and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the
Maverick Grotto
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's
well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc,
then SUBMIT them!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think that you will find
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for
making that happen.
Allan
Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone
On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
Believe it or not,
That's great news, Lyndon!
Thanks for sharing this info.
Ray, Jacqui, and any other editors out there:
Please be sure to email me a copy of y'all's newsletter. If I find
something of interest, I would like to run it in the TC.
This is a great way to introduce new cavers to the wider Texas
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science
articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science
articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues
through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I
Great to hear, Allan, and kudos to Jill.
Glad to see that there are a few grotto newsletters still in existence.
Now, if y'all would be so kind to copy me when a new one comes out...
Thanks,
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Thursday,
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've
never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly
science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies
for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that
publications are too
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report,
Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with.
--- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:
From: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS
I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own
newsletters and not support the Texas Caver.
Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas
Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter
serve?
My 2p.
Who says the two have to be mutually exclusive? I enjoy Speleospace (the
Houston Grotto newsletter) and The Texas Caver.
Our grotto newsletters feature meeting minutes, etc that would be an
absolute bore to anyone not affiliated with the Houston Grotto. We have the
same problems as Mark, tho...no
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were
usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers
elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical
practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever
really enough?) articles on
Sorry The Maverick Grotto flopped, there were a lot of articles that started
there and ended up in The Caver. Same thing with the DFW Oztotl years ago.
I can't do the things I did back then so don't get out to write articles.
Surely there's someone out there with an ego that likes to see their
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure
there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of
apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a
comment:
Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all
I think that you will find a lot of us unscientific or sport cavers agree
with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go
caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty
years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore!
UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned
and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the
Maverick Grotto
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's
well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc,
then SUBMIT them!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think that you will find
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for
making that happen.
Allan
Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone
On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
Believe it or not,
That's great news, Lyndon!
Thanks for sharing this info.
Ray, Jacqui, and any other editors out there:
Please be sure to email me a copy of y'all's newsletter. If I find
something of interest, I would like to run it in the TC.
This is a great way to introduce new cavers to the wider Texas
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science
articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science
articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues
through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I
Great to hear, Allan, and kudos to Jill.
Glad to see that there are a few grotto newsletters still in existence.
Now, if y'all would be so kind to copy me when a new one comes out...
Thanks,
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Thursday,
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've
never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly
science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies
for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that
publications are too
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report,
Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with.
--- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:
From: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS
I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own
newsletters and not support the Texas Caver.
Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas
Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter
serve?
My 2p.
Who says the two have to be mutually exclusive? I enjoy Speleospace (the
Houston Grotto newsletter) and The Texas Caver.
Our grotto newsletters feature meeting minutes, etc that would be an
absolute bore to anyone not affiliated with the Houston Grotto. We have the
same problems as Mark, tho...no
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were
usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers
elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical
practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever
really enough?) articles on
Sorry The Maverick Grotto flopped, there were a lot of articles that started
there and ended up in The Caver. Same thing with the DFW Oztotl years ago.
I can't do the things I did back then so don't get out to write articles.
Surely there's someone out there with an ego that likes to see their
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