texascavers Digest 28 May 2010 16:18:04 -0000 Issue 1063
Topics (messages 14920 through 14926):
Re: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
14920 by: Karen
14921 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
14922 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
14924 by: Charles Goldsmith
14925 by: Dave H. Crusoe
14926 by: Geary Schindel
Man vs. Wild: Contact Discovery Channel today!
14923 by: Frank Binney
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Ditto here. Bats are not insects to beat/squash...
*Very* disgusted,
Karen
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> wrote:
> Unfortunately, so are a lot of non-television people... I can see this
> being a very bad thing.
>
>
> On 28 May 2010 08:02, <tbsam...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Grylls is an idiot, like most reality show folks.
>>
>>
>> May 28, 2010 07:51:57 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote:
>>
>> Graham Schindel sent me this.
>>
>> Geary
>>
>> Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should.
>>
>> Cavers,
>>
>> Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS
>> isn't enough...
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls
>> gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls
>> throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the
>> ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted
>> on YouTube, allowing for continued access.
>>
>> Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip
>> perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless
>> copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat
>> species to the brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was
>> sentenced to eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death
>> 105 endangered Indiana bats.
>>
>> Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by
>> filling out the feedback <http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations> form
>> on Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know:
>>
>> · This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts
>>
>> · Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat
>> agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate
>> a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single
>> species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem.
>>
>> · Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing
>> them-may be illegal depending on the species and country.
>>
>> · We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born
>> Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis
>> footage<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSY9bTdwI4> is
>> removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other
>> communications
>>
>> · We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to forward
>> conservation efforts.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Nina Fascione
>> Executive Director
>> Bat Conservation International
>>
>> P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
>>
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As well as a fraud.
Mark
________________________________
From: tbsam...@verizon.net [mailto:tbsam...@verizon.net]
Sent: Fri 5/28/2010 8:02 AM
To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
Grylls is an idiot, like most reality show folks.
May 28, 2010 07:51:57 AM, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote:
Graham Schindel sent me this.
Geary
Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should.
Cavers,
Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS
isn't enough...
---------------------
A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear
Grylls gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows
Grylls throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the
ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted on
YouTube, allowing for continued access.
Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip
perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless copycat
activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat species to the
brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was sentenced to
eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death 105 endangered
Indiana bats.
Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by
filling out the feedback <http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations> form on
Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know:
· This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts
· Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat
agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate a
variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single species
can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem.
· Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing
them-may be illegal depending on the species and country.
· We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born
Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis footage
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSY9bTdwI4> is removed from Youtube, the
Discovery Channel website and all other communications
· We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to
forward conservation efforts.
Best regards,
Nina Fascione
Executive Director
Bat Conservation International
P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
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Just watched the video.
You can supply your own adjective, but, IMHO "appalling", "irresponsible",
"reprehensible" are good starts.
What is most disturbing is the unabashed glee this moron displays while using
these bats for badminton practice.
He doesn't even try to make it "acceptable" by eating what he kills.
I stopped watching this douche years ago and this confirms the fact that I will
never watch him again.
Mark
________________________________
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Fri 5/28/2010 7:51 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
Graham Schindel sent me this.
Geary
Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should.
Cavers,
Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS isn't
enough...
---------------------
A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls
gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls
throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the ground
and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted on
YouTube, allowing for continued access.
Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip
perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless copycat
activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat species to the
brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was sentenced to
eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death 105 endangered
Indiana bats.
Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by filling
out the feedback <http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations> form on
Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know:
· This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts
· Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat agricultural
pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate a variety of
plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single species can have
ramifications throughout the ecosystem.
· Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing them-may be
illegal depending on the species and country.
· We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born Survivor and
related footage is not aired again and thatthis footage
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSY9bTdwI4> is removed from Youtube, the
Discovery Channel website and all other communications
· We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to forward
conservation efforts.
Best regards,
Nina Fascione
Executive Director
Bat Conservation International
P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
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Is there any type of legal aspect of this that could put pressure on them?
Cruelty to animals comes to mind. Also, anyone have a contact at PETA, as
bad as I hate that organization for it's antics, they have a large voice.
Charles
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:53 AM, <mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
> Just watched the video.
>
>
> You can supply your own adjective, but, IMHO "appalling", "irresponsible",
> "reprehensible" are good starts.
>
> What is most disturbing is the unabashed glee this moron displays while
> using these bats for badminton practice.
>
> He doesn't even try to make it "acceptable" by eating what he kills.
>
>
> I stopped watching this douche years ago and this confirms the fact that I
> will never watch him again.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org]
> *Sent:* Fri 5/28/2010 7:51 AM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
>
> Graham Schindel sent me this.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should.
>
> Cavers,
>
> Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS isn't
> enough...
>
> ---------------------
>
> A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls
> gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls
> throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats, swatting them to the
> ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally and been posted
> on YouTube, allowing for continued access.
>
> Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this clip
> perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate senseless
> copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is driving many bat
> species to the brink of extinction. Only four months ago, a Kentucky man was
> sentenced to eight months in jail after pleading guilty to beating to death
> 105 endangered Indiana bats.
>
> Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message by
> filling out the feedback <http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations> form
> on Discovery Communications website. Let the Discovery executives know:
>
> · This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts
>
> · Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat
> agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and pollinate
> a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss of a single
> species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem.
>
> · Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing
> them-may be illegal depending on the species and country.
>
> · We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born
> Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis
> footage<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSY9bTdwI4> is
> removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other
> communications
>
> · We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to forward
> conservation efforts.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nina Fascione
> Executive Director
> Bat Conservation International
>
> P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
>
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Charles,
At your suggestion, I wrote the following to PETA's info line ( http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/onlinecruelty.asp
); not sure what they might do, but perhaps help mobilize the
twitterati? (As I'm sure others have done, I've also fwd'd to the
local grottos).
------------------------
Greetings,
I'm writing to represent a growing outcry (see e-mail from Bat
Conservation International below) over the televised killing of Bats
perpetrated by the star of Man vs. Wild, and available through YouTube
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYAoAdY6UMA).
Please let us know if there is a way you might spread additional word
over the outcry, beyond mobilizing our own communities (we cavers are
a relatively small community, nationally, which the number of people
interested in this issue is likely to be much larger); our hope is to
pressure the Discovery Channel to issue an apology and/or correction
and, more importantly, not promote or depict similar obscene cruelty
in the future.
On May 28, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
Is there any type of legal aspect of this that could put pressure on
them? Cruelty to animals comes to mind. Also, anyone have a
contact at PETA, as bad as I hate that organization for it's antics,
they have a large voice.
Charles
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:53 AM, <mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
Just watched the video.
You can supply your own adjective, but, IMHO "appalling",
"irresponsible", "reprehensible" are good starts.
What is most disturbing is the unabashed glee this moron displays
while using these bats for badminton practice.
He doesn't even try to make it "acceptable" by eating what he kills.
I stopped watching this douche years ago and this confirms the fact
that I will never watch him again.
Mark
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Fri 5/28/2010 7:51 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
Graham Schindel sent me this.
Geary
Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should.
Cavers,
Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if
WNS isn't enough...
---------------------
A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear
Grylls gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which
shows Grylls throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats,
swatting them to the ground and then stomping on them, has aired
internationally and been posted on YouTube, allowing for continued
access.
Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this
clip perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate
senseless copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is
driving many bat species to the brink of extinction. Only four
months ago, a Kentucky man was sentenced to eight months in jail
after pleading guilty to beating to death 105 endangered Indiana bats.
Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message
by filling out the feedback form on Discovery Communications
website. Let the Discovery executives know:
· This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts
· Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat
agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and
pollinate a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss
of a single species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem.
· Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing
them-may be illegal depending on the species and country.
· We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born
Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis footage
is removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other
communications
· We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to
forward conservation efforts.
Best regards,
Nina Fascione
Executive Director
Bat Conservation International
P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
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Some states have laws that protect non-game animals from being killed. It
would be interesting to investigate the state this was filmed in and see if
bats are protected and if so, whether he had the necessary permits to kill
them. Having him arrested for destruction of wildlife would be interesting.
Maybe he could do a segment of Man verses Wild from a jail cell and then see
who is the predator and who is the prey.
G
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From: Dave H. Crusoe [mailto:dhcru...@projectkir.org]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 11:05 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith; Cavetex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
Charles,
At your suggestion, I wrote the following to PETA's info line (
http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/onlinecruelty.asp
); not sure what they might do, but perhaps help mobilize the
twitterati? (As I'm sure others have done, I've also fwd'd to the
local grottos).
------------------------
Greetings,
I'm writing to represent a growing outcry (see e-mail from Bat
Conservation International below) over the televised killing of Bats
perpetrated by the star of Man vs. Wild, and available through YouTube
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYAoAdY6UMA).
Please let us know if there is a way you might spread additional word
over the outcry, beyond mobilizing our own communities (we cavers are
a relatively small community, nationally, which the number of people
interested in this issue is likely to be much larger); our hope is to
pressure the Discovery Channel to issue an apology and/or correction
and, more importantly, not promote or depict similar obscene cruelty
in the future.
On May 28, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Is there any type of legal aspect of this that could put pressure on
> them? Cruelty to animals comes to mind. Also, anyone have a
> contact at PETA, as bad as I hate that organization for it's antics,
> they have a large voice.
>
> Charles
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:53 AM, <mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
> Just watched the video.
>
>
> You can supply your own adjective, but, IMHO "appalling",
> "irresponsible", "reprehensible" are good starts.
>
> What is most disturbing is the unabashed glee this moron displays
> while using these bats for badminton practice.
>
> He doesn't even try to make it "acceptable" by eating what he kills.
>
>
> I stopped watching this douche years ago and this confirms the fact
> that I will never watch him again.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org]
> Sent: Fri 5/28/2010 7:51 AM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
>
> Graham Schindel sent me this.
>
>
> Geary
>
>
> Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should.
>
> Cavers,
>
> Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if
> WNS isn't enough...
>
> ---------------------
>
> A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear
> Grylls gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which
> shows Grylls throwing a flame in a cave to "smoke out" the bats,
> swatting them to the ground and then stomping on them, has aired
> internationally and been posted on YouTube, allowing for continued
> access.
>
> Though we understand the show is about survival, we feel that this
> clip perpetuates negative attitudes toward bats and could generate
> senseless copycat activity and/or the type of vandalism that is
> driving many bat species to the brink of extinction. Only four
> months ago, a Kentucky man was sentenced to eight months in jail
> after pleading guilty to beating to death 105 endangered Indiana bats.
>
> Please express your disappointment at this anti-conservation message
> by filling out the feedback form on Discovery Communications
> website. Let the Discovery executives know:
>
> * This episode undermines decades of bat conservation efforts
>
> * Bats are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. They eat
> agricultural pests, disperse seeds to replenish the rainforest and
> pollinate a variety of plants. Many bats are endangered and the loss
> of a single species can have ramifications throughout the ecosystem.
>
> * Viewers should be informed that killing bats-or even disturbing
> them-may be illegal depending on the species and country.
>
> * We would like Discovery Channel to ensure this edition of Born
> Survivor and related footage is not aired again and thatthis footage
> is removed from Youtube, the Discovery Channel website and all other
> communications
>
> * We hope Discovery Channel uses all its nature programming to
> forward conservation efforts.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nina Fascione
> Executive Director
> Bat Conservation International
>
> P.S. Help spread the word. Forward this to a friend.
>
>
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More than just express our outrage on CaveTex, it¹s important to let
Discovery Channel know that clubbing bats for the purposes of staged public
entertainment is not only morally reprehensible, but a public relations
disaster that will have a negative impact on corporate profits.
Follow the link on the BCI letter to make a complaint. It¹s a time-consuming
process but something we need a lot of cavers to do.
Here¹s the link:
<http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations>
Below is what I wrote Discovery Channel yesterday:
> Thank you for contacting Viewer Relations. We make every effort to reply
> within one week of receipt of your message. Please check our website for
> additional information..http://www.discovery.com
>
>
> First Name Frank
> Last Name Binney
> Email Address wavep...@comcast.net
> Question Regarding Network/Program Related
> Postal/Zip Code 94973
> Signal Provider/Cable Company comcast
> Telephone Number 415.488.1200
> Information needed General Question or Comment
> Program/Show Man vs Wild
> Last Watched last week
> Program Time Primetime(6:00 pm - 2:00 am)
> Comments I was disgusted by the recent episode of Bear Grylls clubbing bats
> to death. I will no longer allow my children to watch Discovery Channel
> programming. What was your network thinking? that it's okay to club endangered
> animals for television entertainment and commercial revenue? I'm also writing
> my congresswoman about this very regrettable lapse in corporate judgment.
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