RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Butch Fralia
Sorry The Maverick Grotto flopped, there were a lot of articles that started there and ended up in The Caver. Same thing with the DFW Oztotl years ago. I can't do the things I did back then so don't get out to write articles. Surely there's someone out there with an ego that likes to see their nam

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Butch Fralia
Sorry The Maverick Grotto flopped, there were a lot of articles that started there and ended up in The Caver. Same thing with the DFW Oztotl years ago. I can't do the things I did back then so don't get out to write articles. Surely there's someone out there with an ego that likes to see their nam

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Butch Fralia
Sorry The Maverick Grotto flopped, there were a lot of articles that started there and ended up in The Caver. Same thing with the DFW Oztotl years ago. I can't do the things I did back then so don't get out to write articles. Surely there's someone out there with an ego that likes to see their nam

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever really enough?) articles on

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever really enough?) articles on

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I agree with Mallory. In the past, grotto newsletters were usually very local in scope and not of general interest to cavers elsewhere. There might also be reports on things like vertical practice or a survey class. When there were enough (were there ever really enough?) articles on

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 20:32:36 -0000 Issue 1551

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 20:32:36 - Issue 1551 Topics (messages 2 through 20003): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 2 by: Stefan Creaser 20001 by: Mallory Mayeux Re: Request for Caving Articles 20002 by: Bennett Lee

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 20:32:36 -0000 Issue 1551

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 20:32:36 - Issue 1551 Topics (messages 2 through 20003): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 2 by: Stefan Creaser 20001 by: Mallory Mayeux Re: Request for Caving Articles 20002 by: Bennett Lee

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 20:32:36 -0000 Issue 1551

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 20:32:36 - Issue 1551 Topics (messages 2 through 20003): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 2 by: Stefan Creaser 20001 by: Mallory Mayeux Re: Request for Caving Articles 20002 by: Bennett Lee

RE: [Texascavers] Request for Caving Articles

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Excellent idea, Bennett, and great report! Anyone else have any additions or re-butt-als? (Yes, I meant to spell it that way!) J Get 'em in so I can print 'em! The inside cover of the next issue is one of my patented photo collages of the spring convention and any and all reports will

RE: [Texascavers] Request for Caving Articles

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Excellent idea, Bennett, and great report! Anyone else have any additions or re-butt-als? (Yes, I meant to spell it that way!) J Get 'em in so I can print 'em! The inside cover of the next issue is one of my patented photo collages of the spring convention and any and all reports will

RE: [Texascavers] Request for Caving Articles

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Excellent idea, Bennett, and great report! Anyone else have any additions or re-butt-als? (Yes, I meant to spell it that way!) J Get 'em in so I can print 'em! The inside cover of the next issue is one of my patented photo collages of the spring convention and any and all reports will

RE: [Texascavers] Request for Caving Articles

2012-05-17 Thread Bennett Lee
Here's an idea. I like having our Spring and Fall Conventions documented in the Texas Caver. However, they are too big and have too much going on for any single person to write a report. How about we have a "Remembering TSA Spring Convention 2012" section where people write a few short paragr

RE: [Texascavers] Request for Caving Articles

2012-05-17 Thread Bennett Lee
Here's an idea. I like having our Spring and Fall Conventions documented in the Texas Caver. However, they are too big and have too much going on for any single person to write a report. How about we have a "Remembering TSA Spring Convention 2012" section where people write a few short paragr

RE: [Texascavers] Request for Caving Articles

2012-05-17 Thread Bennett Lee
Here's an idea. I like having our Spring and Fall Conventions documented in the Texas Caver. However, they are too big and have too much going on for any single person to write a report. How about we have a "Remembering TSA Spring Convention 2012" section where people write a few short paragr

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mallory Mayeux
Who says the two have to be mutually exclusive? I enjoy "Speleospace" (the Houston Grotto newsletter) and "The Texas Caver." Our grotto newsletters feature meeting minutes, etc that would be an absolute bore to anyone not affiliated with the Houston Grotto. We have the same problems as Mark, tho..

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mallory Mayeux
Who says the two have to be mutually exclusive? I enjoy "Speleospace" (the Houston Grotto newsletter) and "The Texas Caver." Our grotto newsletters feature meeting minutes, etc that would be an absolute bore to anyone not affiliated with the Houston Grotto. We have the same problems as Mark, tho..

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mallory Mayeux
Who says the two have to be mutually exclusive? I enjoy "Speleospace" (the Houston Grotto newsletter) and "The Texas Caver." Our grotto newsletters feature meeting minutes, etc that would be an absolute bore to anyone not affiliated with the Houston Grotto. We have the same problems as Mark, tho..

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own newsletters and not support the Texas Caver. Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter serve? My 2p. -S

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own newsletters and not support the Texas Caver. Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter serve? My 2p. -S

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
I’m thinking that it’s very selfish of individual Grottos to produce their own newsletters and not support the Texas Caver. Surely Grotto meetings are there to talk about your own stuff, and the Texas Caver to share it with everyone else? What purpose does a Grotto newsletter serve? My 2p. -S

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 -0000 Issue 1550

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 - Issue 1550 Topics (messages 19994 through 1): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19994 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19996 by: Mark Minton 1 by: freddie poer Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 -0000 Issue 1550

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 - Issue 1550 Topics (messages 19994 through 1): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19994 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19996 by: Mark Minton 1 by: freddie poer Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 -0000 Issue 1550

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 19:36:15 - Issue 1550 Topics (messages 19994 through 1): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19994 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19996 by: Mark Minton 1 by: freddie poer Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with. --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "fred

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with. --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "fred

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
Now if all who responded to these e-mails would send in just one trip report, Mark might just have the materials he needs to work with. --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion To: "fred

Re: [Texascavers] NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Sproul
>He runs on a mac, using safari, and if he didn't check the box for it >to remember his login in his keychain, he was having this issue. Great that the issue is resolved, though I fail to see how saving the login in the browser would affect a download, once you're logged in. But, as we all know

Re: [Texascavers] NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Sproul
>He runs on a mac, using safari, and if he didn't check the box for it >to remember his login in his keychain, he was having this issue. Great that the issue is resolved, though I fail to see how saving the login in the browser would affect a download, once you're logged in. But, as we all know

Re: [Texascavers] NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Sproul
>He runs on a mac, using safari, and if he didn't check the box for it >to remember his login in his keychain, he was having this issue. Great that the issue is resolved, though I fail to see how saving the login in the browser would affect a download, once you're logged in. But, as we all know

Fwd: [Texascavers] NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Guys, just an FYI, I worked with Bill a bit trying to solve this, and he figured it out on his own. He runs on a mac, using safari, and if he didn't check the box for it to remember his login in his keychain, he was having this issue. Once he figured this out, he was able to download the archives

Fwd: [Texascavers] NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Guys, just an FYI, I worked with Bill a bit trying to solve this, and he figured it out on his own. He runs on a mac, using safari, and if he didn't check the box for it to remember his login in his keychain, he was having this issue. Once he figured this out, he was able to download the archives

Fwd: [Texascavers] NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Guys, just an FYI, I worked with Bill a bit trying to solve this, and he figured it out on his own. He runs on a mac, using safari, and if he didn't check the box for it to remember his login in his keychain, he was having this issue. Once he figured this out, he was able to download the archives

Re: NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Sproul
Yeah, I'm having trouble being able to FTP to caves.org today, so something wonky is going on. The pub archives still download smoothly for me, though. Alex From: Mixon Bill To: Alex Sproul Subject:Re: NSS archives download speed Date sen

Re: NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Sproul
Yeah, I'm having trouble being able to FTP to caves.org today, so something wonky is going on. The pub archives still download smoothly for me, though. Alex From: Mixon Bill To: Alex Sproul Subject:Re: NSS archives download speed Date sen

Re: NSS archives download speed

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Sproul
Yeah, I'm having trouble being able to FTP to caves.org today, so something wonky is going on. The pub archives still download smoothly for me, though. Alex From: Mixon Bill To: Alex Sproul Subject:Re: NSS archives download speed Date sen

[Texascavers] Fwd: TX caver discussion-- the future

2012-05-17 Thread Katherine Arens
has anyone considered that we have a platform shift in place? There's an extraordinary number of phone videos being produced -- we've seen a lot of them at the UT Grotto How about justifying an electronic tx cave and mounting them on youtube with a COMMENT published, rather than a full article

[Texascavers] Fwd: TX caver discussion-- the future

2012-05-17 Thread Katherine Arens
has anyone considered that we have a platform shift in place? There's an extraordinary number of phone videos being produced -- we've seen a lot of them at the UT Grotto How about justifying an electronic tx cave and mounting them on youtube with a COMMENT published, rather than a full article

[Texascavers] Fwd: TX caver discussion-- the future

2012-05-17 Thread Katherine Arens
has anyone considered that we have a platform shift in place? There's an extraordinary number of phone videos being produced -- we've seen a lot of them at the UT Grotto How about justifying an electronic tx cave and mounting them on youtube with a COMMENT published, rather than a full article

Re: [Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread Aubri Jenson
I want to reitterate that fun caving and scientific caving are not mutually exclusive. Those who pursue a scientific career often chose to do so because there is something about it that excites them and draws them into it. Sport cavers are usually curious about the bigger picture and have important

Re: [Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread Aubri Jenson
I want to reitterate that fun caving and scientific caving are not mutually exclusive. Those who pursue a scientific career often chose to do so because there is something about it that excites them and draws them into it. Sport cavers are usually curious about the bigger picture and have important

Re: [Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread Aubri Jenson
I want to reitterate that fun caving and scientific caving are not mutually exclusive. Those who pursue a scientific career often chose to do so because there is something about it that excites them and draws them into it. Sport cavers are usually curious about the bigger picture and have important

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heav

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heav

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Thanks, George, for confirming my similar suspicions. I've never thought of the Texas Caver or even the NSS News as particularly science oriented. (The NSS has the Journal of Cave and Karst Studies for that.) Perhaps instead of science the perception is that publications are too heav

[Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread Benjamin Schwartz
Dear Freddie, I don't think I know you, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but what under this world are you implying? I apologize if I am misinterpreting what you wrote, but do you mean that most cavers now (sport, science, whatever) are no longer caving for fun? I, for one, don

[Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread Benjamin Schwartz
Dear Freddie, I don't think I know you, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but what under this world are you implying? I apologize if I am misinterpreting what you wrote, but do you mean that most cavers now (sport, science, whatever) are no longer caving for fun? I, for one, don

[Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread Benjamin Schwartz
Dear Freddie, I don't think I know you, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but what under this world are you implying? I apologize if I am misinterpreting what you wrote, but do you mean that most cavers now (sport, science, whatever) are no longer caving for fun? I, for one, don

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Great to hear, Allan, and kudos to Jill. Glad to see that there are a few grotto newsletters still in existence. Now, if y'all would be so kind to copy me when a new one comes out... Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Thursday, May

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Great to hear, Allan, and kudos to Jill. Glad to see that there are a few grotto newsletters still in existence. Now, if y'all would be so kind to copy me when a new one comes out... Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Thursday, May

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Great to hear, Allan, and kudos to Jill. Glad to see that there are a few grotto newsletters still in existence. Now, if y'all would be so kind to copy me when a new one comes out... Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Thursday, May

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 15:06:52 -0000 Issue 1549

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 15:06:52 - Issue 1549 Topics (messages 19990 through 19993): Re: New Rugged Cordless 14 Hour MSHA Cap Light 19990 by: Mark Minton Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19991 by: Allan B. Cobb 19992 by: Mark.Alm

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 15:06:52 -0000 Issue 1549

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 15:06:52 - Issue 1549 Topics (messages 19990 through 19993): Re: New Rugged Cordless 14 Hour MSHA Cap Light 19990 by: Mark Minton Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19991 by: Allan B. Cobb 19992 by: Mark.Alm

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 15:06:52 -0000 Issue 1549

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 15:06:52 - Issue 1549 Topics (messages 19990 through 19993): Re: New Rugged Cordless 14 Hour MSHA Cap Light 19990 by: Mark Minton Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19991 by: Allan B. Cobb 19992 by: Mark.Alm

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread George Veni
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I fou

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread George Veni
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I fou

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread George Veni
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I fou

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
That's great news, Lyndon! Thanks for sharing this info. Ray, Jacqui, and any other editors out there: Please be sure to email me a copy of y'all's newsletter. If I find something of interest, I would like to run it in the TC. This is a great way to introduce new cavers to the wider Texas cav

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
That's great news, Lyndon! Thanks for sharing this info. Ray, Jacqui, and any other editors out there: Please be sure to email me a copy of y'all's newsletter. If I find something of interest, I would like to run it in the TC. This is a great way to introduce new cavers to the wider Texas cav

RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
That's great news, Lyndon! Thanks for sharing this info. Ray, Jacqui, and any other editors out there: Please be sure to email me a copy of y'all's newsletter. If I find something of interest, I would like to run it in the TC. This is a great way to introduce new cavers to the wider Texas cav

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Allan B. Cobb
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: >> Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters any

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Allan B. Cobb
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: >> Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters any

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Allan B. Cobb
The Bexar Grotto has a pretty regular newsletter, too. Kudos to Jill Orr for making that happen. Allan Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: >> Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters any

Re: [Texascavers] New Rugged Cordless 14 Hour MSHA Cap Light

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Preston, Thanks for the miner's lamp news. Looks like a modern version of the old caver stand-by, the Wheat lamp. Not being able to change the battery underground would be a serious drawback for caving use, although I suspect that could be modified. Of course for about the same pri

Re: [Texascavers] New Rugged Cordless 14 Hour MSHA Cap Light

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Preston, Thanks for the miner's lamp news. Looks like a modern version of the old caver stand-by, the Wheat lamp. Not being able to change the battery underground would be a serious drawback for caving use, although I suspect that could be modified. Of course for about the same pri

Re: [Texascavers] New Rugged Cordless 14 Hour MSHA Cap Light

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
Preston, Thanks for the miner's lamp news. Looks like a modern version of the old caver stand-by, the Wheat lamp. Not being able to change the battery underground would be a serious drawback for caving use, although I suspect that could be modified. Of course for about the same pri

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 - Issue 1548 Topics (messages 19987 through 19989): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19987 by: freddie poer 19988 by: Lyndon Tiu 19989 by: Andy Gluesenkamp Administrivia: To subscribe to the dige

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 - Issue 1548 Topics (messages 19987 through 19989): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19987 by: freddie poer 19988 by: Lyndon Tiu 19989 by: Andy Gluesenkamp Administrivia: To subscribe to the dige

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 -0000 Issue 1548

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:57:52 - Issue 1548 Topics (messages 19987 through 19989): Re: Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19987 by: freddie poer 19988 by: Lyndon Tiu 19989 by: Andy Gluesenkamp Administrivia: To subscribe to the dige

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc, then SUBMIT them! Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer wrote: > I think that you will find a lot of us "unscienti

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc, then SUBMIT them! Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer wrote: > I think that you will find a lot of us "unscienti

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
What the hell are y'all talking about? Have you been drinking from Mixon's well or something. If cavers want to see more recreational trip reports etc, then SUBMIT them! Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, freddie poer wrote: > I think that you will find a lot of us "unscienti

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the > Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lu

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the > Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lu

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:59 AM, wrote: > Believe it or not, not ONE grotto is doing newsletters anymore! > > UTG hasn't done one in years, the DFW's (Oztotl Caver) crashed and burned > and they have resorted to a blog on their website which no one posts to, the > Maverick Grotto is kaput, the Lu

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
I think that you will find a lot of us "unscientific" or sport cavers agree with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far towa

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
I think that you will find a lot of us "unscientific" or sport cavers agree with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far towa

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread freddie poer
I think that you will find a lot of us "unscientific" or sport cavers agree with this. I think there should be a sport caving society formed, that go caving just for the fun of it. Kind of like what the Texas Cavers were twenty years ago. Maybe the caving community has gone a little too far towa

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:10:02 -0000 Issue 1547

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:10:02 - Issue 1547 Topics (messages 19985 through 19986): Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19985 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19986 by: Jacqueline Thomas Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: T

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:10:02 -0000 Issue 1547

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:10:02 - Issue 1547 Topics (messages 19985 through 19986): Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19985 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19986 by: Jacqueline Thomas Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: T

texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:10:02 -0000 Issue 1547

2012-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 17 May 2012 13:10:02 - Issue 1547 Topics (messages 19985 through 19986): Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion 19985 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com 19986 by: Jacqueline Thomas Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: T

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a comment: Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all tho

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a comment: Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all tho

Re: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Jacqueline Thomas
This post is interesting and definitely thought-provoking--thank you. I'm sure there will be discussion in response to this post. Regarding the list of apparently defunct grotto newsletters I wanted to make a correction and a comment: Correction (and not to be critical, but to recognize all tho

[Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Most of y’all know Mimi and James Jasek, a couple of long time and distinguished cavers in the state, who I have grown to know over the last few years and whose opinions I highly respect. In answer to my pleading for submissions to the TC and only being gre

[Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Most of y’all know Mimi and James Jasek, a couple of long time and distinguished cavers in the state, who I have grown to know over the last few years and whose opinions I highly respect. In answer to my pleading for submissions to the TC and only being gre

[Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion

2012-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Most of y’all know Mimi and James Jasek, a couple of long time and distinguished cavers in the state, who I have grown to know over the last few years and whose opinions I highly respect. In answer to my pleading for submissions to the TC and only being gre

Re: [SWR] gari davis

2012-05-17 Thread Steve Peerman
gmdind...@aol.com On May 16, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: > Does anyone have Gari Davis' email? > > Thanks. > > Stephen Fleming > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net Steve Peerman

Re: [SWR] gari davis

2012-05-17 Thread Steve Peerman
gmdind...@aol.com On May 16, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: > Does anyone have Gari Davis' email? > > Thanks. > > Stephen Fleming > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net Steve Peerman

Re: [SWR] gari davis

2012-05-17 Thread Steve Peerman
gmdind...@aol.com On May 16, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: > Does anyone have Gari Davis' email? > > Thanks. > > Stephen Fleming > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net Steve Peerman