[Texascavers] some new YouTube caving videos

2013-07-10 Thread David
European cavers apparently get together once a year at an old fort in Belgium called Barchon, and they do a lot of fun sewerlunking.The video below shows some of that and has some interesting shots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAoUiTh99qM I am guessing many of you have not seen the short

[Texascavers] some new YouTube caving videos

2013-07-10 Thread David
European cavers apparently get together once a year at an old fort in Belgium called Barchon, and they do a lot of fun sewerlunking.The video below shows some of that and has some interesting shots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAoUiTh99qM I am guessing many of you have not seen the short

[Texascavers] some new YouTube caving videos

2013-07-10 Thread David
European cavers apparently get together once a year at an old fort in Belgium called Barchon, and they do a lot of fun sewerlunking.The video below shows some of that and has some interesting shots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAoUiTh99qM I am guessing many of you have not seen the short

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] TSS Database sample link

2013-07-10 Thread George Veni
I can give a demo of WallsMap during Winter Tech this December. I have the full TSS data set (since I'm still a data manager for TSS) and can show the full power and versatility of the software. If any New Mexico cavers would like to see how this database beautifully integrates with GIS, photos,

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] TSS Database sample link

2013-07-10 Thread George Veni
I can give a demo of WallsMap during Winter Tech this December. I have the full TSS data set (since I'm still a data manager for TSS) and can show the full power and versatility of the software. If any New Mexico cavers would like to see how this database beautifully integrates with GIS, photos,

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] TSS Database sample link

2013-07-10 Thread George Veni
I can give a demo of WallsMap during Winter Tech this December. I have the full TSS data set (since I'm still a data manager for TSS) and can show the full power and versatility of the software. If any New Mexico cavers would like to see how this database beautifully integrates with GIS, photos,

RE: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Mark Minton
I agree about the dangers of using a knife while on rope. I was not advocating doing such an ascender repair on rope. The couple of times I've had to deal with this type of problem were on the ground between drops. Mark At 06:06 PM 7/10/2013, Geary Schindel wrote: Preston, I agree

RE: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Mark Minton
I agree about the dangers of using a knife while on rope. I was not advocating doing such an ascender repair on rope. The couple of times I've had to deal with this type of problem were on the ground between drops. Mark At 06:06 PM 7/10/2013, Geary Schindel wrote: Preston, I agree

RE: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Mark Minton
I agree about the dangers of using a knife while on rope. I was not advocating doing such an ascender repair on rope. The couple of times I've had to deal with this type of problem were on the ground between drops. Mark At 06:06 PM 7/10/2013, Geary Schindel wrote: Preston, I agree

RE: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Geary Schindel
Preston, I agree about the knife issue around loaded ropes. There are some real horror stories here. I wrote an article on the use of knives in vertical caving and if you use a safety ascender (Quick Attachment Safety), you should be able to unload your rappel device, pull out the stuck item, r

RE: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Geary Schindel
Preston, I agree about the knife issue around loaded ropes. There are some real horror stories here. I wrote an article on the use of knives in vertical caving and if you use a safety ascender (Quick Attachment Safety), you should be able to unload your rappel device, pull out the stuck item, r

RE: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Geary Schindel
Preston, I agree about the knife issue around loaded ropes. There are some real horror stories here. I wrote an article on the use of knives in vertical caving and if you use a safety ascender (Quick Attachment Safety), you should be able to unload your rappel device, pull out the stuck item, r

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Preston Forsythe
Be very careful using a knife on rope. Some of you will remember the demonstration on stage at a UTG meeting around 1977, when Steven Bittinger, I think it was, gave a demonstration on rope hanging only a foot or two above the stage floor, where he took a knife and barely touched the rope above

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Preston Forsythe
Be very careful using a knife on rope. Some of you will remember the demonstration on stage at a UTG meeting around 1977, when Steven Bittinger, I think it was, gave a demonstration on rope hanging only a foot or two above the stage floor, where he took a knife and barely touched the rope above

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Preston Forsythe
Be very careful using a knife on rope. Some of you will remember the demonstration on stage at a UTG meeting around 1977, when Steven Bittinger, I think it was, gave a demonstration on rope hanging only a foot or two above the stage floor, where he took a knife and barely touched the rope above

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Mark Minton
This guy was described as an experienced caver, but he must not have been very experienced with vertical work. I'm sure most of us have been in very muddy vertical caves, and it's amazing to me that vertical gear functions pretty well even when it is essentially unrecognizably dirty.

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Mark Minton
This guy was described as an experienced caver, but he must not have been very experienced with vertical work. I'm sure most of us have been in very muddy vertical caves, and it's amazing to me that vertical gear functions pretty well even when it is essentially unrecognizably dirty.

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Mark Minton
This guy was described as an experienced caver, but he must not have been very experienced with vertical work. I'm sure most of us have been in very muddy vertical caves, and it's amazing to me that vertical gear functions pretty well even when it is essentially unrecognizably dirty.

texascavers Digest 10 Jul 2013 17:52:39 -0000 Issue 1791

2013-07-10 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 10 Jul 2013 17:52:39 - Issue 1791 Topics (messages 22107 through 22111): Re: cave rescue in Arkansas 22107 by: Logan McNatt 22108 by: Karen Perry the government mind at work 22109 by: Mixon Bill Re: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner 221

texascavers Digest 10 Jul 2013 17:52:39 -0000 Issue 1791

2013-07-10 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 10 Jul 2013 17:52:39 - Issue 1791 Topics (messages 22107 through 22111): Re: cave rescue in Arkansas 22107 by: Logan McNatt 22108 by: Karen Perry the government mind at work 22109 by: Mixon Bill Re: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner 221

texascavers Digest 10 Jul 2013 17:52:39 -0000 Issue 1791

2013-07-10 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 10 Jul 2013 17:52:39 - Issue 1791 Topics (messages 22107 through 22111): Re: cave rescue in Arkansas 22107 by: Logan McNatt 22108 by: Karen Perry the government mind at work 22109 by: Mixon Bill Re: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner 221

[Texascavers] Fwd: Private Ranch Club feat. Fifteen 100-Acre Lots, Just 20 Min. to Downtown Austin

2013-07-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: June Levy > Date: July 10, 2013 12:20:25 PM CDT > To: Fritz Holt > Subject: Fwd: Private Ranch Club feat. Fifteen 100-Acre Lots, Just 20 Min. to > Downtown Austin > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "DM

[Texascavers] Fwd: Private Ranch Club feat. Fifteen 100-Acre Lots, Just 20 Min. to Downtown Austin

2013-07-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: June Levy > Date: July 10, 2013 12:20:25 PM CDT > To: Fritz Holt > Subject: Fwd: Private Ranch Club feat. Fifteen 100-Acre Lots, Just 20 Min. to > Downtown Austin > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "DM

[Texascavers] Fwd: Private Ranch Club feat. Fifteen 100-Acre Lots, Just 20 Min. to Downtown Austin

2013-07-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: June Levy > Date: July 10, 2013 12:20:25 PM CDT > To: Fritz Holt > Subject: Fwd: Private Ranch Club feat. Fifteen 100-Acre Lots, Just 20 Min. to > Downtown Austin > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "DM

[Texascavers] Fwd: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner

2013-07-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: June Levy > Date: July 10, 2013 12:16:31 PM CDT > To: Fritz Holt > Subject: Fwd: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: jhro...@aol.com >> Date: July 10, 2013 12:09:35 P

[Texascavers] Fwd: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner

2013-07-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: June Levy > Date: July 10, 2013 12:16:31 PM CDT > To: Fritz Holt > Subject: Fwd: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: jhro...@aol.com >> Date: July 10, 2013 12:09:35 P

[Texascavers] Fwd: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner

2013-07-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: June Levy > Date: July 10, 2013 12:16:31 PM CDT > To: Fritz Holt > Subject: Fwd: For Sale: 2011 Tacoma TRD Prerunner > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: jhro...@aol.com >> Date: July 10, 2013 12:09:35 P

[Texascavers] the government mind at work

2013-07-10 Thread Mixon Bill
Not only did they have to use headlights in the cave because it was nighttime, they conducted a "severity probability exposure (SPE) risk analysis to help mitigate hazards." Hope they didn't waste too much time at it. -- Mixon God created the world in

[Texascavers] the government mind at work

2013-07-10 Thread Mixon Bill
Not only did they have to use headlights in the cave because it was nighttime, they conducted a "severity probability exposure (SPE) risk analysis to help mitigate hazards." Hope they didn't waste too much time at it. -- Mixon God created the world in

[Texascavers] the government mind at work

2013-07-10 Thread Mixon Bill
Not only did they have to use headlights in the cave because it was nighttime, they conducted a "severity probability exposure (SPE) risk analysis to help mitigate hazards." Hope they didn't waste too much time at it. -- Mixon God created the world in

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Karen Perry
What cracked me up laughing when I first got a copy of the report (via CCNP) was that they had to use headlights because it was at night & dark. Guess the cave wasn't in the dark otherwise??? LOL Karen From: Logan McNatt To: Geary Schindel Cc: Texas Cave

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Karen Perry
What cracked me up laughing when I first got a copy of the report (via CCNP) was that they had to use headlights because it was at night & dark. Guess the cave wasn't in the dark otherwise??? LOL Karen From: Logan McNatt To: Geary Schindel Cc: Texas Cave

Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-10 Thread Karen Perry
What cracked me up laughing when I first got a copy of the report (via CCNP) was that they had to use headlights because it was at night & dark. Guess the cave wasn't in the dark otherwise??? LOL Karen From: Logan McNatt To: Geary Schindel Cc: Texas Cave