[Texascavers] a Spanish video worth watching

2016-06-20 Thread David via Texascavers 
In 2016, a caver could spend many hours a day watching cave related
content on the web,
especially on YouTube.

Here is a video worth skimming through:


The link below is a professional eco-tourism video from February about a popular
cave in northern Mexico.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6NoJaKHN8

The cave is "Las Grutas de Carrizal" just outside of the town of
Candela, Coahuila.


This video has some Spanish terminology related to caves ( cueva, etc.
), and can
help you learn how to pronounce those words with an accent of northern Mexican
Spanish.

The cinematography and music and narration are excellent, but the content is
lacking. It does show you sort of how to find the cave.

The narrator is interviewing someone who appears unfamiliar with the history
of the exploration of the cave. But he has a fancy jacket, so that makes him
look more official than his 4 colleagues in street-clothing holding
the flashlight.

I seem to recall that old structure near the entrance had a partial
roof on it in 1984, but definitely
had walls.   Right ?  The very old Warning Sign is gone.It was
there laying
on the ground the last time I was there.   Some caver should be able
to easily post
a photo of that sign.   Cueva Peligrosa or something like that.( I
could not find the
sign from a simple search on the web. )

The video does not explain that this cave is very unique in that it is
in the desert
and seldom has the water source coming from the cave ever run dry.It does
not explain that the stream cuts thru dry passages containing old dusty guano
that can breathing guano dust is not healthy, and can cause you to become sick,
and in some cases very sick.

It also doesn't mention something that very few people may know.
This spring is a major
pitstop for the Monarch Butterfly migration, and probably has been for
thousands of years.

The video shows small fish in the twilight zone, but I think there are
troglobitic organisms
in the stream in the back of the cave.   My memory recalls white
crawfish. These can be
disturbed by large groups entering the cave and walking in the stream.

The drone video was interesting and I was not aware of the small cave
to the left.  I was
told a caver found a 150 foot pit somewhere on the Candela side of the
mountain, and he said it
was a blind pit and not worth returning to.

I am also under the impression that the stream coming out of the cave
is the state boundary
between Coahuila and Nuevo Leon, but someone will have to look into
that to verify it.More
than likely the boundary wraps around the ejido. But it is
something that could be of interest
to a person into that sort of thing. Might just be a coincidence
that the line is very close, or
could just be my wild imagination.

David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com


P.S.

I have personally been to the town of Candela many times, maybe 15,
but for the record, I
will just say at least 6 times in Las Grutas de Carrizal.  The first
time was in 1984, with the
Aggie Speleological Society on our Christmas trip, but that is another story.
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Re: [Texascavers] Old Caving Photo

2016-06-20 Thread Logan McNatt via Texascavers 

  
  
Top row, left to right; Frank Binney, Mark Minton, Lisa Wilk
Btm row, center Bill Liebman (?); I don't recognize the guys on
  left and right

Logan McNatt
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On 6/20/2016 8:22 PM, Mark Minton via
  Texascavers wrote:


Attached is a photo showing cavers in the Cuetzalan (Puebla, Mexico)
field house in 1980, about 35 years ago. Whom do you recognize? Of those
present, I think only a few are still caving at all, and maybe only one
actively. The same field house also served a Mexican scout troop and we
found their stash of caving gear: fiberglass helmets and Butterfly
carbide lamps. ¡Siempre Listo!

Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Link to special issue of Journal of Earth Sciences (BGM), Large Karst Systems of the World

2016-06-20 Thread Mark Minton via Texascavers 
  The contents are also available in English at
. It's annoying that there
doesn't seem to be a way to download the entire issue as a single
document, and I couldn't find any way to download the front matter
listed in the Index.

  Nonetheless, some good stuff in there, although it's certainly overreach
to claim they are covering anywhere near all of the large karst systems
of the world, while nevertheless covering some rather insignificant
ones.

Mark Minton

On Sun, June 19, 2016 11:40 pm, John Lyles wrote:
> While the contents are listed in Spanish, English readers can see from
> the titles whats available for download. The reports are bilingual.
>
> http://www.igme.es/boletin/ultimoNum.htm

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Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

2016-06-20 Thread Terry Plemons via Texascavers 
To have lived with a passion is to watch the Oklahoma HS football teams of
the Bowlegs Bison play the Tecumseh Savages under the Fright night lights.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:58 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Well sir I have no idea what a trolobotic catfish is and I doubt that it
> has ever come up in conversation, ever. I do know who the Cleveland
> Cavaliers are and Oakland. I even know who Labron James is. Of course I
> used to be a sports writer for years and I do keep up. And was a fan of the
> YHS Indians in high school. It is all a part of being American just like
> owning five or six guns.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:56 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> I learned today that it was basketball season.
>>
>> I was just curious and wondering if you were all too busy caving or doing
>> more important things to know that ?
>>
>> I know there are non-cavers that think I must have a mental deficiency,
>> because I do not keep up with sports statistics.
>>
>> Everybody I am surrounded by at work and family are completely obsessed
>> fanatics with sports statistics, yet they have no idea what a troglobitic
>> catfish is.
>>
>> David Locklear
>> dlocklea...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] related to a caver obituary

2016-06-20 Thread Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
Stay tuned for this year’s AMCS Newsletter, wherein I tell the story from the 
recent Huautla expedition wherein Jim Smith is treated by our landlord with 
flaming aguardiente, onions and a local medicinal plant. I have the whole 
incident on video, which I need to edit and upload to YouTube soon.

I think our landlord didn’t use pickled jalapeños as there was no open wound, 
although this story about Mason Estes was re-told by Jim after his treatment 
was finished.

Diana

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University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
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Dallas, TX 75390-8816
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(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:02 AM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
>
> I caved with Mason a few times around Texas before we went to Huautla in 
> 1988. His first big trip into San Augustin was probably taking a duffel of 
> camp supplies down to the staging area at 600 m before it would be moved to 
> Camp 3. Mason hobbled into the kitchen with each foot wrapped in a bandana. 
> He sat down in a chair. Someone asked what was wrong and he said his boots 
> had given him blisters and he didn't know if he would be able to cave again.
>
> Being good cavers, someone asked him to show us his blisters. He unwrapped 
> his feet and showed us his blisters. My feet reflexively winced in pain when 
> I saw his blisters. On the arch of each foot, he had huge, raw, open blisters 
> that were like looking into Hell. They were huge, they were VERY painful 
> looking.
>
> I believe it was Jim Smith who said, "Grab one of those pickled jalapeños 
> from that jar and slap it on your blister. Rub it around really good and it 
> will make them heal faster." This, of course, made everyone laugh because it 
> was such an obviously stupid suggestion. Mason grabbed the jar of jalapeños, 
> fished one out, and, like a good Aggie, slapped it on his hellish looking, 
> raw, open blister that was the size of a Jumar and began grinding into his 
> raw, open blister.
>
> Mason writhed in his chair as he was grinding this pickled jalapeño into the 
> blister. I'll give him credit, he didn't scream. He did however make inhuman 
> sounds that sounded as terrifying and horrible as his blisters looked. I was 
> absolutely speechless, as was everyone in the room. Watching this was liking 
> watching a train wreck, it was horrible but I couldn't take my eyes off of 
> it. I'm sure everyone watching had the same look of horror that I had on my 
> face. When he stopped from what seemed like an eternity or more of grinding 
> this pickled jalajalapeño into a raw, open blister, Jim Smith said, "It was a 
> joke, I didn't mean for you to do that." Mason replied, "(gasp, gasp) Well, 
> it actually (gasp, gasp) feels better."
>
> Mason put his foot down, pulled up the other foot and began grinding the 
> pickled jalapeño into the other hellish looking, open, raw blister that was 
> the size of a Jumar on his other foot. This was followed by more inhuman 
> sounds and writhing around by Mason and certainly more horrified looks from 
> those of us present. Thankfully, after an eternity and a half, he stopped 
> abusing his raw open blister with pickled jalapeños. He declared that it 
> helped that foot just as much as the other. Mason, continued doing this 
> (although I fortunately never witnessed this scene again). His blisters 
> quickly healed over and he was caving again within a week or so.
>
> The moral of this story is either grind a pickled jalapeño into your raw, 
> open blisters that are the size of Jumars on your feet to make them heal 
> faster or don't listen to Jim Smith.
>
> Allan Cobb
>




UT Southwestern


Medical Center



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Re: [Texascavers] Locklear

2016-06-20 Thread Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
Finally, something we can all relate to. 

Jim
> In summary, I do not know what the heck I am talking about.
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Re: [Texascavers] troglobitic fish in the news

2016-06-20 Thread David via Texascavers 
The news story about the blindcat living in a Texas cave is super
fascinating.

I would just like to point out from the perspective of the fish that was
recently fishnapped near the border that any man-made political boundaries
on the surface are not recognized by the fish in the subterranean realm.

In fact, these fishes ancestors ( assuming they lived in exact cave ) for
the era 1823 were clearly not yet Mexican, but instead Spanish Catfish.

The catfish in this cave were only Mexican from 1824 to 1848.

One could argue that since the land was originally stolen that the fishes
Mexican heritage was also stolen.   However, since the victims of the
stolen land signed the land over to the the alleged thieves and even
accepted compensation afterward, it seems to mean the fish became legal
adoptees or property of the U.S. in 1848.

It should also be pointed out that prior to the year 1535, the fish were
definitely not yet Spanish Blindcats.

Meaning for probably 1,000 years the manmade political boundary on the
surface was controlled by native Coahuiltecan Indians, whose real name we
will never know.

But surely the blindcats existed in the subterranean realm long before
hominid species such as homo sapiens arrived on the continent.   Right ?

I guess it is interesting to think the blindcats have been evolving in that
cave for a million years.

In summary, I do not know what the heck I am talking about.

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

2016-06-20 Thread via Texascavers 
That is true, Mark.

I was in Honey Creek in July many, many years ago when it was near 100 and that 
water did, indeed, feel wonderful!

I was more thinking of the "crack caves" of Colorado Bend SP, which I have come 
to loathe, and dragging steel for the bat gate on Gorman Cave on Labor Day 
weekend back in 2011.

It was waaay over 100 that weekend and I must have drank over 3 gallons of 
water that weekend.

I'll take my A/C and a ball game in that weather.   :)


Mark A.
texascav...@yahoo.com



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Mark Minton via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:44 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

On Mon, June 20, 2016 7:32 am, Mark Alman wrote:
>-
> When it's 100+ outside, caving is about the last thing on my mind.
>
> (Yes, there IS more to life than caving.)

  Actually, I think that is exactly the right time to go caving! Where else do 
you get free air conditioning? I remember one Fourth of July weekend we had a 
trip into Honey Creek. It was blazing hot outside and thousands of people were 
sweltering at Willie Nelson's Picnic. We were basking in the cool water and 
wondering why anyone would want to be outside...

Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] car shopping question

2016-06-20 Thread Ron Ralph via Texascavers 
Bob Oakley – please contact me off-line.  Ron

ronra...@austin.rr.com

From: Bob Oakley via Texascavers 
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 1:56 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] car shopping question

they are CRV platforms with a different body
 



Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:17:10 +
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] car shopping question
From: texascavers@texascavers.com


I am trying to by a used car this week, maybe today.

I am leaning towards a 2009 Honda Element that I found at a Tote-the-Note place 
in a ghetto neighborhood in east Houston.

Anybody have any tips or suggestions ?

Late model Honda Elements for sale seem to be very rare in Houston.   Is that 
because the owners do not want to get rid of them ?

dlocklea...@gmail.com

David locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

2016-06-20 Thread Mark Minton via Texascavers 
On Mon, June 20, 2016 7:32 am, Mark Alman wrote:
>-
> When it's 100+ outside, caving is about the last thing on my mind.
>
> (Yes, there IS more to life than caving.)

  Actually, I think that is exactly the right time to go caving! Where
else do you get free air conditioning? I remember one Fourth of July
weekend we had a trip into Honey Creek. It was blazing hot outside and
thousands of people were sweltering at Willie Nelson's Picnic. We were
basking in the cool water and wondering why anyone would want to be
outside...

Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

2016-06-20 Thread Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
You work for PTI, Scott? Railroad crew shuttle...? --Ediger 

On Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:22 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 I'm not obsessed with sports, but I did hear on the (TV) 10pm news that the 
final game of the basketball playoffs was tonight. The regular season ended in 
May (I think). The only sport I follow regularly is hockey (Dallas Stars).
Scott D. Boyd
GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR
Professional Transportation, Inc.On Jun 19, 2016 9:56 PM, "David via 
Texascavers"  wrote:

I learned today that it was basketball season.I was just curious and wondering 
if you were all too busy caving or doing more important things to know that ?I 
know there are non-cavers that think I must have a mental deficiency, because I 
do not keep up with sports statistics. Everybody I am surrounded by at work and 
family are completely obsessed fanatics with sports statistics, yet they have 
no idea what a troglobitic catfish is.David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Texascavers] related to a caver obituary

2016-06-20 Thread Allan Cobb via Texascavers 
I caved with Mason a few times around Texas before we went to Huautla in 
1988. His first big trip into San Augustin was probably taking a duffel 
of camp supplies down to the staging area at 600 m before it would be 
moved to Camp 3. Mason hobbled into the kitchen with each foot wrapped 
in a bandana. He sat down in a chair. Someone asked what was wrong and 
he said his boots had given him blisters and he didn't know if he would 
be able to cave again.


Being good cavers, someone asked him to show us his blisters. He 
unwrapped his feet and showed us his blisters. My feet reflexively 
winced in pain when I saw his blisters. On the arch of each foot, he had 
huge, raw, open blisters that were like looking into Hell. They were 
huge, they were VERY painful looking.


I believe it was Jim Smith who said, "Grab one of those pickled 
/jalapeños /from that jar and slap it on your blister. Rub it around 
really good and it will make them heal faster." This, of course, made 
everyone laugh because it was such an obviously stupid suggestion. Mason 
grabbed the jar of /jalapeños/, fished one out, and, like a good Aggie, 
slapped it on his hellish looking, raw, open blister that was the size 
of a Jumar and began grinding into his raw, open blister.


Mason writhed in his chair as he was grinding this pickled /jalapeño 
/into the blister. I'll give him credit, he didn't scream. He did 
however make inhuman sounds that sounded as terrifying and horrible as 
his blisters looked. I was absolutely speechless, as was everyone in the 
room. Watching this was liking watching a train wreck, it was horrible 
but I couldn't take my eyes off of it. I'm sure everyone watching had 
the same look of horror that I had on my face. When he stopped from what 
seemed like an eternity or more of grinding this pickled jala/jalapeño 
/into a raw, open blister, Jim Smith said, "It was a joke, I didn't mean 
for you to do that." Mason replied, "(gasp, gasp) Well, it actually 
(gasp, gasp) feels better."


Mason put his foot down, pulled up the other foot and began grinding the 
pickled /jalapeño /into the other hellish looking, open, raw blister 
that was the size of a Jumar on his other foot. This was followed by 
more inhuman sounds and writhing around by Mason and certainly more 
horrified looks from those of us present. Thankfully, after an eternity 
and a half, he stopped abusing his raw open blister with pickled 
/jalapeños/. He declared that it helped that foot just as much as the 
other. Mason, continued doing this (although I fortunately never 
witnessed this scene again). His blisters quickly healed over and he was 
caving again within a week or so.


The moral of this story is either grind a pickled /jalapeño /into your 
raw, open blisters that are the size of Jumars on your feet to make them 
heal faster or don't listen to Jim Smith.


Allan Cobb

On 6/19/2016 1:55 PM, David via Texascavers wrote:

About 2 years ago, I posted somewhere that an Aggie Caver that I once
knew from the 1987 era, had passed away.

I could not find anybody that wanted to talk about it, as his death at
such a young age was very unexpected and tragic.




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Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

2016-06-20 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
Well sir I have no idea what a trolobotic catfish is and I doubt that it
has ever come up in conversation, ever. I do know who the Cleveland
Cavaliers are and Oakland. I even know who Labron James is. Of course I
used to be a sports writer for years and I do keep up. And was a fan of the
YHS Indians in high school. It is all a part of being American just like
owning five or six guns.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:56 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I learned today that it was basketball season.
>
> I was just curious and wondering if you were all too busy caving or doing
> more important things to know that ?
>
> I know there are non-cavers that think I must have a mental deficiency,
> because I do not keep up with sports statistics.
>
> Everybody I am surrounded by at work and family are completely obsessed
> fanatics with sports statistics, yet they have no idea what a troglobitic
> catfish is.
>
> David Locklear
> dlocklea...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

2016-06-20 Thread via Texascavers 
You missed one helluva of a Game 7 last night.

Cleveland (Lebron’s team) won after being down 3-1. First team to ever come 
back from that deep of a hole, speaking of caving.

The Rangers are also one a tear and are the hottest and deadliest team in 
baseball, so you’re missing out there, as well.

When it’s 100+ outside, caving is about the last thing on my mind.

(Yes, there IS more to life than caving.)


Mark Alman
texascav...@yahoo.com



From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Boyd via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:22 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a caver question


I'm not obsessed with sports, but I did hear on the (TV) 10pm news that the 
final game of the basketball playoffs was tonight. The regular season ended in 
May (I think). The only sport I follow regularly is hockey (Dallas Stars).

Scott D. Boyd
GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR
Professional Transportation, Inc.
On Jun 19, 2016 9:56 PM, "David via Texascavers" 
> wrote:

I learned today that it was basketball season.

I was just curious and wondering if you were all too busy caving or doing more 
important things to know that ?

I know there are non-cavers that think I must have a mental deficiency, because 
I do not keep up with sports statistics.

Everybody I am surrounded by at work and family are completely obsessed 
fanatics with sports statistics, yet they have no idea what a troglobitic 
catfish is.

David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com

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