[SWR] Announcement: INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON GROUNDWATER IN KARST
Dear Friends, Below is an announcement of an important conference that will be held next year. Please share this with anyone who may be interested. For more information contact Dr. John Gunn at: j.gun...@bham.ac.ukmailto:j.gun...@bham.ac.uk. George - KG@B 2015 INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON GROUNDWATER IN KARST With optional pre- and post-conference field trips 20-26 June 2015, Birmingham, UK PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT The word karst is a germanization of the place name for a region in the northwest Dinaric area that is commonly referred to as the Classic Karst. The word has passed into the scientific vocabulary to describe a special environment in which the major groundwater flux is through an integrated network of dissolutionally enlarged channels that discharge via discrete springs. The channels span a very wide aperture range; the smallest are little more than micro-fractures or pathways through the rock matrix but at the other end of the spectrum (and commonly n the same rock mass) channels may grow to dimensions where they can be explored by humans and are called caves. The relationships between matrix, channels and conduits in a carbonate rock mass are a product of recharge and rock lithology, stratigraphy and structure and exploration of these relationships is a key theme of the conference. Water transfer through the smaller channels that are commonly intersected by boreholes is very slow and has often been analyzed using equivalent porous media models although the limitations of such models are increasingly recognized. At the other end of the spectrum (and commonly in the same rock mass) the channels may grow to dimensions where they can be explored by humans (caves) through which water flow is analogous to 'a surface stream with a roof' and may be amenable to analysis by models devised for urban pipe networks. The development of holistic and realistic models for water movement and storage in karst is a second key theme of the conference. The direct, and often rapid connections between surface water and groundwater in karst have given rise to distinctive groundwater ecosystems that have only recently been subject to detailed study and this forms a third theme for the conference. Finally, of course, it is well known that karst groundwater systems are of global importance to humans both as direct sources of potable water and as the source of many rivers. Hence, a fourth theme will consider human-karst groundwater interactions, a wide area that includes water resource assessment, groundwater protection, mineral extraction and infrastructure development. In summary, the CONFERENCE THEMES will be: 1. Lithological, structural stratigraphical influences on karst groundwaters. 2. Modeling karst groundwater systems. 3. The ecology of karst groundwaters. 4. Human-karst groundwater interactions The symposium will be the annual meeting of the IAH Karst Commission and of the UIS Commission of Karst Hydrogeology and Speleogenesis and is also sponsored by the British Cave Research Association, the British Geological Survey, the Hydrogeology Group of the Geological Society of London and the IAH GB Chapter. The symposium will take place shortly after the 80th birthday of Professor Derek Ford and will provide an opportunity to celebrate with him and to recognize the huge contribution that he has made to the study of karst. DATES AND PRELIMINARY PROGRAMME The Conference will take place at the University of Birmingham from 20-26 June 2015 as follows: Saturday 20th June : Optional special workshop for consultants and professionals on Karst groundwater systems Sunday 21st June : Optional field trip - Groundwater in Cretaceous carbonates. Monday 22nd June : Opening of formal meeting. Paper sessions. Evening meeting of karst commissions. Tuesday 23rd June : Morning paper sessions Afternoon. Optional field trip to local underground limestone quarry visited by canal barge Or workshops or free time to visit local area Evening. Conference dinner Wednesday 24th June Paper sessions. Close of formal meeting Thursday 25th June Optional field trip - Groundwater in Jurassic carbonates. Friday 26th June Optional field trip - Groundwater in Carboniferous carbonates George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Paper deadline approaching: International Workshop on Ice Caves
Dear Friends, The deadline for papers and abstracts for the 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves (IWIC-VI) is 14 April 2014 and rapidly approaching! The conference will focus on all aspects of study involving caves with ice deposits and caves formed in ice, including paleoclimatology, cave microclimates, hydrology and crystallography, modern and paleo fauna, among other topics. You may submit abstracts, extended abstracts, or full papers. We encourage longer submissions for you to better share your knowledge and information. All accepted submissions will be published in the proceedings volume that will be available at the conference. IWIC-VI will be held in Idaho Falls, Idaho, USA, from 17-22 August 2014. Details about IWIC-VI, submitting papers/abstracts, and registration (both on-line and mail-in forms) are available at http://www.iwic-vi.org/. Here are some important details to know: * IWIC registration traditionally includes the cost of meals to maximize the time everyone is learning, working, and playing together. IWIC-VI includes all lunches and dinners, and if you stay at the conference hotel your breakfast is included with your room fee. * The registration prices increase on 3 May 2014, so register now! * Again, the deadline for all papers and abstracts is 14 April 2014. We look forward to seeing your papers soon. IWIC-VI is hosted by the US National Cave and Karst Research Institute, with generous cooperation from members of the US National Speleological Society, and is a conference series of the International Union of Speleology's Commission on Glacier, Firn, and Ice Caves. If you have any questions, please let me know. Also, please share this message with anyone who may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Conference announcement: Hypogea2015, 17-22 March, Rome Italy
Dear Friends, The Artificial Cavities Commission of the International Union of Speleology will hold a conference next year, Hypogea2015, from 12-17 March in Rome, Italy. The previous Hypogea meeting was excellent and I have no doubt this one will be too. If you haven't considered artificial cavities before, they are often as fascinating as natural caves archeologically, historically, geologically, and biologically. For all of the details and to register, visit http://hypogea2015.hypogea.it/. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
RE: [Texascavers] Looking for contacts in Croatia and neighboring countries
Here is a simple rule-of-thumb if you're planning to go caving outside of the US and are looking for contacts. Go to http://uis.caves.org/. The UIS (International Union of Speleology) is made of about 60 member countries, including Croatia. Contacts for those countries as well as their national and regional organizations are listed. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Thomas Sitch [mailto:dreadfl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:36 PM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for contacts in Croatia and neighboring countries Hello Cavers! I'm planning a trip to the shining Adriatic Sea for June, and was hoping to link up with some cavers in the Balkans. I know a bunch of y'all have done expeditions out in that part of the world, and was wondering if you could connect me with any cavers in that region? Best Regards, ~~Thomas
[SWR] Registration deadline: International Workshop on Ice Caves
Dear Friends, Registration for the 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves (IWIC-VI) is open but the time for discount registration ends this week. Prices go up on Saturday, May 3rd! You can registration either on-line or by mail-in forms at http://www.iwic-vi.org/. Remember, IWIC registration includes the cost of all lunches and dinners to maximize the time everyone is learning, working, and playing together. If you stay at the conference hotel, your breakfast is included with your room fee. The conference will focus on all aspects of study involving caves with ice deposits and caves formed in ice, including paleoclimatology, cave microclimates, hydrology and crystallography, modern and paleo fauna, among other topics. IWIC-VI is hosted by the US National Cave and Karst Research Institute, with generous cooperation from members of the US National Speleological Society, and is a conference series of the International Union of Speleology's Commission on Glacier, Firn, and Ice Caves. If you have any questions, please let me know. Also, please share this message with anyone who may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Give Grande New Mexico - National Cave and Karst Research Institute
Dear Friends, Below is a message from NCKRI's Advancement Director. Please contribute if you can and forward this message to anyone who may be interested... The Community Foundation Coalition of New Mexico is proud to host Give Grande NM, the biggest online philanthropic event in New Mexico history! On Tuesday, May 6, community members will come together to raise as much money as possible for local nonprofits in 24 hours. Every dollar will go directly to nonprofits! It's a great way to recognize and support the positive work of these local organizations. The National Cave and Karst Research Institute will be taking part of this first time event, and we need your support! You do not have to be a resident of New Mexico to be a part of this great fundraising event! Here's how it works: Make a donation of $10 or more to NCKRI between midnight and 11:59 p.m. on Tuesday, May 6 right here at http://givegrandenm.org/#npo/national-cave-and-karst-research-institute Let your friends know you gave and encourage them to do the same. Share where, how, and why you gave on your social media profiles. Visit http://givegrandenm.org/ http://givegrandenm.org/ all day to see in real time the amount we have raised together! Thanks so much for your support, and we'll see you on Tuesday! [Give Grand Logo RGB for Web only] Give Grande NM is a project of the Community Foundation Coalition of New Mexico. The coalition is the Albuquerque Community Foundation, Community Foundation of Southern New Mexico, Santa Fe Community Foundation, New Mexico Community Foundation and the Taos Community Foundation. Suzanna Langowski Advancement Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, NM 88220-6215 Office: 575-628-2702 Cell: 913-704-9465 Fax: 575-887-5523 slangow...@nckri.orgmailto:slangow...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org/
[SWR] New NCKRI publications!
Dear Friends, The National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) has been busy with many different things, including a variety of publication and research projects. We have posted several new publications on our website at http://nckri.org/about_nckri/nckri_publications.htm; nearly all can be downloaded for free. There is one publication I'm especially excited to introduce with this message. Under the Symposia and Special Papers menu bar you'll find: NCKRI Special Paper 2: Role of Hydrogen Sulfide in the Formation of Cave and Karst Phenomena in the Guadalupe Mountains and Western Delaware Basin, New Mexico and Texas, by Douglas Kirkland. The Guadalupe Mountains serve internationally as the classic study area for hypogenic cave development. However, questions and some controversy still remain on the processes. Douglas Kirkland has worked for decades in the area. In this volume he has pulled together and analyzed a tremendous amount of information to answer some of the more important questions and offer new insights to the region's cave and karst development. His work will likely serve as a model for research in other areas as well. Also under the Symposia and Special Papers menu bar you'll find from two conferences NCKRI hosted last year: NCKRI Symposium 2: Proceedings of the Thirteenth Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst, edited by Dr. Lewis Land, Dr. Daniel H. Doctor, and J. Brad Stephenson. and NCKRI Symposium 3: Proceedings of the 20th National Cave and Karst Management Symposium, edited by Dr. Lewis Land and Mark W. Joop. If you look under the Investigation Reports menu bar, you'll find five reports posted so far on: * Karst flooding in Guatemala * Electrical resistivity study of a brine well cavity in salt * Electrical resistivity study of cavities in gypsite * Evaluation of National Park Service cave and karst needs. * Electrical resistivity study of a proposed well drill site. The Guatemala report is part of humanitarian project. The resistivity projects are first steps toward developing a broad collection of geophysical surveys in a variety of geological settings in order to better evaluate the data and techniques. The National Park Service report is a nationwide study that identifies all US national parks with known or potential caves, karst, and pseudokarst resources, and their status and needs relative to research, management, and public education and interpretation of the resources. This study will assist the Park Service in identifying and prioritizing their cave/karst research needs. Under the Annual Reports tab you'll find our latest summary of activities plus the reports for all of our previous years. More reports are in the works and will be posted as completed. Feel free to share or post this message with anyone who may be interested. While you're visiting the NCKRI website, check out the Events tab to learn about three upcoming conferences that NCKRI is hosting. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Geological Society of America Convention karst sessions: call for abstracts
will be carried out from here. Possible sites that will be visited include-Upana Caves, White Ridge Provincial Park, Quadra Island and Horne Lake Caves Provincial Park-a center of cave/karst tourism on the Island. Side trips will also be included giving an insight into the first nation history and culture of Vancouver Island, as well as the resource activities such as mining and forestry. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Come to a cave talk at NCKRI!
Dear Friends, One week from today, Wednesday the 23rd, you're invited to come to NCKRI at 7 p.m. for the informal but fun and interesting talk by Terry Bolger: Cave and Karst Management in Laos: Opportunities and Challenges We all know and love Carlsbad Cavern, but how do you deal with big and beautiful caves in a very poor country with few resources, and where many caves flood regularly? Terry has been exploring and managing caves for over 40 years throughout North America, Australia, and for the past 15 years in Southeast Asia. He is based in Laos, working on cave exploration, research, tourism, and management projects. If you're very interested in caves, you'll definitely get some exciting news and creative management ideas. If you're only curious about caves but enjoy seeing different lands and cultures, this will be a great chance to visit a part of the world rarely seen by Westerners. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested, and I hope to see you in one week! George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
[SWR] Come to a cave talk at NCKRI!
Dear Friends, If you happen to be in the Carlsbad area one week from today, Wednesday the 23rd, you're invited to come to NCKRI at 7 p.m. for the informal but fun and interesting talk by Terry Bolger: Cave and Karst Management in Laos: Opportunities and Challenges We all know and love Carlsbad Cavern, but how do you deal with big and beautiful caves in a very poor country with few resources, and where many caves flood regularly? Terry has been exploring and managing caves for over 40 years throughout North America, Australia, and for the past 15 years in Southeast Asia. He is based in Laos, working on cave exploration, research, tourism, and management projects. If you're very interested in caves, you'll definitely get some exciting news and creative management ideas. If you're only curious about caves but enjoy seeing different lands and cultures, this will be a great chance to visit a part of the world rarely seen by Westerners. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested, and I hope to see you in one week! George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Ice Cave Workshop: schedule posted
Dear Friends, The 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves (IWIC-VI) happens next month from 17-22 August in Idaho Falls, Idaho, USA. The detailed schedule of papers and activities, along with other information, is now posted at http://www.iwic-vi.org/. The conference will focus on all aspects of study involving caves with ice deposits and caves formed in ice, including paleoclimatology, cave microclimates, hydrology and crystallography, modern and paleo fauna, among other topics. Remember, IWIC registration includes the cost of all lunches and dinners to maximize the time everyone is learning, working, and playing together. If you stay at the conference hotel, your breakfast is included with your room fee. IWIC-VI is hosted by the US National Cave and Karst Research Institute, with generous cooperation from members of the US National Speleological Society, and is a conference series of the International Union of Speleology's Commission on Glacier, Firn, and Ice Caves. If you have any questions, please let me know. Also, please share this message with anyone who may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Karst Groundwater at Birmingham and Cave and Karst Science news
Dear Friends, I'm happy to forward the following announcements for John Gunn. The first is mostly for hydrogeologists, but the second is for any disciple involving Cave and Karst Science... 1. The web site for the 2015 Karst Groundwater at Birmingham [KG@B] meeting is now up and running at: http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/generic/kgatb/index.aspx . 2. Volumes of the journal Cave Karst Science (Transactions of the British Cave Research Association) from 1974 to 2005 are now available as free downloads at http://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.html.http://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.htmlhttp://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.html.%3chttp:/bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/catalogue.html. 3. To view more recent volumes go to http://bcra.org.uk/pub/candks/index.html . There is normally an annual fee to access this content but BCRA Council have agreed to provide free access for 1 month to encourage scientists to read past papers and, hopefully, to take out a subscription to support future publications. So, if you would like to read David Lowe's latest paper on Inception Horizons (Geological influences on cave origin and development in the Yorkshire Dales, UK; issue 41(1), 2014) or Trevor Faulkners detailed discussion of flow hydraulics in karst conduits (Speleogenesis and scallop formation and demise under hydraulic control and other recharge regimes; issue 40(3), 2013) go to the web site, click on the padlock and you will be taken to a site where you can either subscribe to the journal or obtain a free 1 month subscription that will allow you to download the papers. ~ Best wishes, John Professor John Gunn Limestone Research Group School of Geography, Earth Environmental Sciences University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham B15 2TT George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Grant for archaeological research
Dear Friends, If you or anyone you know is working on archaeological projects in the Mediterranean or Andes and is looking for seed money, look at the following link: http://www.centerfornonprofitexcellence.org/grantmakers-directory/curtiss-t-and-mary-g-brennan-foundation Be aware that Grants are not available for dissertation research. Grants can only be made to tax-exempt nonprofit organizations that qualify under Section 501(c)( 3) of the Internal Revenue Code, or to non US-based institutions that can demonstrate similar qualifications. No grants will be made to individuals, or to religious or political organizations. You can find other guidelines through the above website. Feel free to share this information with anyone who may be interested, and you if apply, good luck! I'm hoping to see more cave archeological research funded. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] Geological Society of America: call for karst abstracts reminder
out from here. Possible sites that will be visited include-Upana Caves, White Ridge Provincial Park, Quadra Island and Horne Lake Caves Provincial Park-a center of cave/karst tourism on the Island. Side trips will also be included giving an insight into the first nation history and culture of Vancouver Island, as well as the resource activities such as mining and forestry. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [SWR] Sinkhole detection
ET, What you are describing has actually been around for a while. The first time I heard of such use was in 2001 when the US Forest Service used it in Alaska to find and avoid unknown sinkholes and caves as they planned the routes of logging roads through the karst. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: karstpatrol karstpat...@gmail.com Date: 2014/07/16 06:37 (GMT-07:00) To: George Veni gv...@nckri.org,s...@caver.net Subject: Sinkhole detection Has anyone heard of a lidar type of equipment that is carried on airplanes and can detect sinkholes even through heavy trees and brush? Thought I heard Calvin Alexander say something like that but conversation was cut off and I forgot to pursue it after meeting.ET Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org Date: 07/15/2014 11:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To: s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Is this hole that appeared in Siberia a sinkhole or a blowout The Global Lithologic Map shows the area as mixed sedimentary rocks. That map is being used in developing the latest version of the World Karst Map and other members of the team are digging through the metadata for areas with this designation to see if the mix of rocks may include carbonates and evaporites to form karst. I'll pass this on to them and see what they say, although they have other things going on too and I don't know how long it will take them to send me an answer. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of DONALD G. DAVIS Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:17 PM To: s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Is this hole that appeared in Siberia a sinkhole or a blowout Michael Lorimer mikel78...@gmail.com wrote: font face=Times New RomanIt looks like a sinkfont face=Times New Romanhole or font face=Times New Romansome kind of collapse from the air.nbsp; However, an oblique view looks like there is elevation along the sides, which would imply an explosion.nbsp; What font face=Times New Romando you thinkfont face=Times New Roman?br http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2693105/Giant-hol e-appea rs-Siberia-Huge-crater-emerges-end-world.html It certainly looks obvious that something blew up from below, but I'm not sure that the volume of ejecta is as large as the void below appears. It would help to know more about the geology, hydrology, and water-table level in the region (is the lake in the distance above or below the bottom of the pit)? If warming-driven methane degassing can cause an explosive event that large, that's scary. I'll be interested to know what the Russians conclude from the promised investigation. --Donald ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award
I never had the pleasure of meeting Tom but have heard many great things about him. One thing I haven't heard is about him focusing on mentoring new cavers. If SWR will be developing an award for new cavers, then it should be named for someone whose focus was new cavers, as in the case of Chuck Stuehm in Texas. Maybe Tom fits that perfectly. I don't know one way or the other. If not, I suggest naming the award for someone who better fits the award and creating another award named for Tom that would honor him more by being more appropriate to his strengths, interests, and accomplishments. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: dirt...@comcast.net Date: 2013/10/23 09:48 (GMT-07:00) To: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com Cc: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net,s...@caver.net,Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net,jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Subject: [SWR] Tom Meador Award good idea, Harv! DirtDoc From: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com To: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net Cc: s...@caver.net, jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:07:49 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Awardat theTexas Cavers Reunion I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] NSS BOG meeting changes
Dear Friends, If you attending the National Speleological Society's Board of Governors meeting this Saturday and plan to attend either the Friday evening and/or Saturday evening party, please go the following link: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/docs/Fall 2013 NSS BOG Registration formV2.pdfhttp://www.caves.org/region/swr/docs/Fall%202013%20NSS%20BOG%20Registration%20form.pdf This PDF is the registration form but also contains information about the meeting and parties. Unfortunately, we just learned that the party locations need to be switched. The Friday evening party will now be hosted by Pat Seiser and the Saturday evening party by Danielle Stewart, instead of the other way around as previously announced. Also, there is a $20 fee to cover the food costs for both parties (of course there is no fee for attending the Board meeting). If you will be attending only one party, you only need to pay $10. We apologize for the confusion. Please share this information with anyone who may be interested or affected. Thank you, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Thanks!
I've received a couple of quick replies with Jim's address. Thanks!! George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves: Call for Papers
Dear Friends, The 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves (IWIC-VI) is coming to Idaho Falls, Idaho, USA, on 17-22 August 2014 and I'm pleased to announce our Call for Papers! This will be the first IWIC outside of Europe and an excellent opportunity for North American ice scientists to attend. We welcome papers on any topic involving cave ice. Major themes include: * Cave glaciology and ice dynamics * Cave meteorology and climatology * Cryo-mineralogy and cryo-crystallography * Paleoclimatology and global change * Chemistry and geochemistry of ice caves * Ice cave management and technology * Glacier caves Please note that there is no separate abstract submission procedure. We encourage submission of full manuscripts but will accept extended abstracts for publication in the conference proceedings volume. The deadline for submission of all manuscripts and extended abstracts is 14 April, 2014. For more information on the conference, visit http://www.iwic-vi.org/index.html. Also, look for the announcement on the opening of registration for IWIC-VI, which will to start soon. IWIC is a series of conferences devoted entirely to ice cave studies, where international experts discuss ongoing research efforts and promote global cooperation in ice cave science and management. IWIC is a conference of the Glacier, Firn, and Ice Caves Commission of the International Union of Speleology, and IWIC-VI is being hosted by the National Cave and Karst Research Institute of the USA. On behalf of the IWIC-VI Organizing Committee, we look forward to receiving your papers and meeting you in Idaho Falls in August 2014. Please forward or post this message to anyone who may be interested. Thank you. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Karst geoscience post-doctoral grant
Dear Friends, Below is a last minute announcement of a karst geoscience post-doctoral grant from the Karst Research Institute in Slovenia. Notice the last paragraph. If you are interested, you must contact the Institute at the address below by 15 December 2013. I know a number of people who previously received and greatly benefited from these grants. I encourage anyone interested to apply. Please share or post this message with anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George - Dear friends and colleagues, This is a last minute call. Please respond if interested, or distribute it to potentially interested candidates. Zaradi zaščite zasebnosti je prikaz slik v sporočilu onemogočen. Prikaži slikehttp://pp.zrc-sazu.si/?_task=mail_action=show_uid=12609_mbox=INBOX#loadimages#loadimages Karst Research Institute at ZRC SAZU, Postojna, Slovenia (http://izrk.zrc-sazu.si/en/predstavitev#v) is searching a candidate for an AXA postdoctoral grant. The Institute has been selected as an eligible institution by AXA Research Fund. We offer stimulating environment, field sites of classical karst, tutorship and related research infrastructure. Post-Doctoral project must be related to the topic of Environmental risk (climate change, from glacier retreat to sea-level rise; natural hazards, from earth hazards to atmospheric and space-weather phenomena; human-driven environmental changes such as urban pollution, nanotechnologies or pesticide exposure). The candidate must comply with the following conditions: - The candidate must have defended her/his Ph.D. thesis in sciences related to karst studies (geology, hydrology, geomorphology, speleothem science, karst biology or microbiology, and similar) before the beginning of the Post- Doctoral grant. - Less than 5 years since awarding of first Ph.D. (extensions to this period may be allowed in case of eligible career breaks which must be properly documented). - The candidate has to demonstrate excellence in research. We need to report a name of one candidate to the AXA Research Fund by December 16th, 2013. The first round of selection is based on the candidate's outline proposal that has to be submitted by January 9th, 2014. Pre-selected candidates will be then invited to submit a full proposal by March 13th, 2014. The final selection will be announced on June 10th, 2014. Once selected, candidates have up to 12 months after the announcement of the campaign results to start their Post Doc research (i.e., to administratively register within their Host Institution). http://www.axa-research.org/post-doctoral-fellowships Interested candidates are invited to contact us and send us a letter of interest, short CV and possible research topic. Please send an e-mail with subject AXE-Fellowship to i...@zrc-sazu.simailto:i...@zrc-sazu.si by December 15th, 2013. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Conference Announcement: Integrated Use and Protection of Underground Spaces
Dear Friends, The Integrated Use and Protection of Underground Spaces is a conference that will focus on the problems of scientific study and exploitation of underground spaces, management, tourism, and recreation in karst areas. It will be held in the Perm Region of Russia on 26-31 May 2014 at the spectacular Kungur Ice Cave. For details on the conference, registration, and to submit papers, visit http://www.mi-perm.ru/information/conference/icecave (you'll see Russian text, but if you scroll down you'll quickly find the conference information in English). Please share this information with anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] 14th Sinkhole Conference: mark your calendars!
Dear Friends, I am happy to announce that the 14th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst, which is generally known as The Sinkhole Conference, will be held in Rochester, Minnesota, on 5-9 October 2015. Mark your calendars! For 30 years this conference series has been the premier conference for all aspects of karst geoscience and related engineering and environmental issues-and not just sinkholes. This next Sinkhole Conference is being jointly organized with the Minnesota Groundwater Association and should be an exceptional meeting The conference also now has a permanent website site, at the easy-to-remember address: http://www.sinkholeconference.com/. Bookmark and visit it for more information. The new Past Conferences tab includes the proceedings of the 13th Sinkhole Conference for free download. Information on conference hotels, the call for papers, and more will be posted later this year. If you have any questions, let me know. Also, please distribute this information to anyone you think may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[SWR] Registration is open: 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves!
Dear Friends, I'm happy to announce that registration for the 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves (IWIC-VI) is now open! The conference will focus on all aspects of study involving caves with ice deposits and caves formed in ice. IWIC-VI will be held in Idaho Falls, Idaho, USA, from 17-22 August 2014. Details about IWIC-VI and registration (both on-line and mail-in forms) are available at http://www.iwic-vi.org/. Here are some important details to know: * IWIC registration traditionally includes the cost of meals to maximize the time everyone is together and learning, working, and playing together. IWIC-VI includes all lunches and dinners, and if you stay at the conference hotel your breakfast is included with your room fee. * The registration prices increase on 3 May 2014, so register now! * The deadline for all papers and extended abstracts is 14 April 2014. We look forward to seeing your papers soon. IWIC-VI is hosted by the US National Cave and Karst Research Institute, with generous cooperation from members of the US National Speleological Society, and is a conference series of the International Union of Speleology's Commission on Glacier, Firn, and Ice Caves. If you have any questions, please let me know. Also, please share this message with anyone who may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Latest issue of the UIS Bulletin now available
For those of you who attended the International Congress of Speleology last year, and especially for those who haven't, the latest issue of the UIS (International Union of Speleology) Bulletin is now available from the UIS website: http://www.uis-speleo.org/. You will notice it now has a new look and is available in both PDF and Flash format to provide greater ease of navigation. This issue includes the following topics: - Message from the new UIS President - New Bureau, new projects for the next four years - Reports of UIS Commissions and Departments - FEALC - 30 years of solidarity - Mindinho's Cave, Portugal - Next UIS Congress - Australia 2017 - In Memoriam - New UIS Code of Ethics - New UIS Internal Regulations - Minutes of UIS General Assemblies and Bureau Meetings - UIS Bank Account / Annual Contributions Check it out and send the new editorial team your comments and suggestions. They will appreciate them in order to improve upcoming issues. Please forward/post this message to anyone who may be interested. Thanks, George UIS VP of Administration George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] 22nd International Conference on Subterranean Biology
Dear Friends, The 22nd International Conference on Subterranean Biology will be held on 31 August to 5 September 2014 in Juriquilla, Querétaro, México. This meeting is held every two years and I believe this may be the first time it is held in Mexico. Juriquilla is about a 2-hour drive northwest from Mexico City and surrounded by beautiful and diverse karst and non-karst landscapes. Registration and more information for this conference is available at http://sistemas.fciencias.unam.mx/~22icsb/html/. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Caverns of Sonora on The Weather Channel
Dear Friends, A couple of weeks ago I wrote some you about an episode of the Weather Channel's Secrets of the Earth series that would include Caverns of Sonora. The episode, Strangest Places, was delayed and I've just learned it will play tonight at 6:30 p.m. Mountain, 7:30 Central, and 8:30 Eastern (assuming no interruption by major weather events). It will repeat 3 hours later and likely repeat again over the next week or two. I haven't seen the episode, but it will likely be split between Caverns of Sonora and some other topic. I think about 15 minutes will be devoted to each, but I can't be sure. The link to the schedule is http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/secrets-of-the-earth/upcoming-episodes/EP01724188?aid=zap2it, but it doesn't give much more information that I could find. For full disclosure, yes I will be in the Sonora episode. For those of you who haven't seen me for a while, I haven't changed that much except for gradually whiting hair. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] National Cave and Karst Management Symposium: Deadline for discount registration ends soon
Dear Friends, Many excellent papers have been submitted for this year's National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS), which will be held in Carlsbad, New Mexico, USA, on 4-8 November 2013. This message is to remind you that the discounted price for registration ends on Tuesday, 3 September 2013. I encourage you register by that date to take advantage of the lower prices. This NCKMS includes the most diverse array of field trips and workshops ever, plus for the first time the proceedings will be ready for you when you arrive. For all of the details and to register visit http://nckms2013.businesscatalyst.com/. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. I look forward to seeing you soon, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] Early registration prices end Tuesday for National Cave and Karst Management Symposium
Dear Friends, This is your last reminder that the early registration prices for the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium end soon and prices increase starting Wednesday, 4 September. Register now by visiting http://nckri.org/nckms2013! By the way, if you plan to go to the fall board meetings of the Cave Research Foundation (CRF) and the National Speleological Society (NSS), they respectively immediately precede and follow the Symposium at NCKRI. If you're going be in Carlsbad anyway for one of these board meetings, don't miss this great opportunity to also attend a great symposium. Day passes will be available if you can't stay the entire week. Also, in case you didn't see the announcement last week, we've adjusted the schedule to make room for a few more presentations. If you would like to give a talk please send us your abstract. Abstracts must include the title of the paper, all authors' names, affiliations, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses. The abstract can be no more than 250 words (not counting title, authors, and contact information) and it should summarize the main facts and conclusions to be presented at the conference; an abstract does not simply list what will be discussed. These abstracts will be included in the Program with Abstracts (sorry, but it is too late to include them in the Proceedings). The deadline for second round abstracts is 15 September, 2013 but space is limited so early submissions are more likely to be accepted. Send your abstracts and any questions to Jim Goodbar, Program/Sessions Chairman, at jgood...@blm.govmailto:jgood...@blm.gov. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] Excel help with World Karst Map project
NCKRI is involved with a variety of partners in developing a new and fully digital, GIS-based World Karst Map. I'm coordinating the collection of data from North America. The USGS is assembling data on major US karst springs, but I got an e-mail today asking if I could find someone who is skilled with Excel to help with reformatting US data into the format needed for the World Karst Map project. The work would be done over the next couple of months. I haven't seen the volume of data involved but understand that the amount of time needed will depend at least in part on the person's skill level with Excel. If you are interested in volunteering to help with this (everyone, including USGS and NCKRI is volunteering their time on this project), let me know and I'll connect you with the USGS people working on this. I just need one person, so this will go to the first person I hear from, although I'll take back-up names just in case they are needed. Thanks, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] Call for Excel help filled
My thanks for the quick replies to my call for Excel help with the World Karst Map project! I have someone set up now to work on the project and one on standby if extra help is needed. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
RE: [Texascavers] book review: Geología de Cuevas
I agree with Bill's review of Art's excellent book. I'll add that the publishing of this translation of the book was stuck until the International Union of Speleology (UIS) provided the financial support to make it possible. The UIS' work often happens quietly and unsung. In fact, I frequently hear people erroneously call it the ICS, which is the UIS' International Congress of Speleology. I'm mentioning this because it is time the UIS starts being recognized for its work. For more information on the UIS, visit its website: www.uis-speleo.org. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Date: 2013/09/23 21:53 (GMT-07:00) To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] book review: Geología de Cuevas There is a very nice new book on cave geology: Geología de Cuevas by Arthur Palmer translated by Javier Mugica Jeréonimo of the Sociedad Espeológica de Cuba ISBN 978-0-939748-66-2 502 pages softbound published by Cave Books for the Unión Internacional de Espeleología This is the review I wrote of the original English-language edition: Cave Geology. Arthur N. Palmer. Cave Books, Dayton, Ohio; 2007. ISBN 978-0-939748-66-2. 8.5 by 11 inches, vi + 454 pages, hardbound. $37.95. I was looking forward to this book during all the years it was rumored to be forthcoming, because even Palmer’s journal articles are unusually lucid. I am not disappointed. This is a very nice book. In the first nine chapters, Palmer leads the reader through all the principles of the geology of solution caves, from elementary concepts of geology through difficult topics like the chemistry and dynamics of limestone dissolution. To have done all this in a way that should be understandable to a high-school senior is a considerable feat of organization and ability to anticipate students’ questions. There is no calculus, and where algebraic equations are used, he generally walks the reader through a numerical example. He is careful to clarify things that might be misunderstood, such as that by 'lower,' applied to a negative quantity such as delta34S, he means more negative, not closer to 0. He is careful to define technical terms he uses, and he even footnotes the pronunciation of things like gneiss, polje, and Cvijic, a boon to those of us who learn our geology from books instead of lectures. When a mechanism is of possible theoretical interest but unlikely to be significant except in unusual circumstances, he is careful to point that out. In some of the later of these chapters, his enthusiasm for giving examples from around the world does result in a few that are just curiosities and others that are not explained very clearly or completely. This and a certain amount of gratuitous citing of references are symptoms of some indecision about whether the book was to be a textbook or a scholarly monograph, but at least the reader is exposed to the full diversity of solution caves. Subsequent chapters discuss cave minerals, lava caves, airflow and weathering in caves, and dating of passages and speleothems. A chapter on research techniques describes Palmer’s methods for making careful and accurate vertical surveys of passages in order to study the effect of geologic structure on a cave, a specialty of his, and also briefly mentions geophysical techniques, although even a professional geologist will need specialist help with those. The fifteenth chapter briefly surveys applications of cave geology to other fields like land management and water supply. There are over 750 figures, nearly two per page. The roughly one thousand references listed are almost all in English and almost all from books or academic journals on paper (the scholarly monograph won out here). The layout by the author is fully professional, and there are only a very few typos or editing glitches. Cave Geology is not only the best major book on the subject available, it is also the cheapest. The main text is 405 large pages with two columns of fairly small type, so there is a lot there, and you won't read it in a couple of days or even a week. And, while you should understand most of it while you're reading it, you won't have learned it all. I still haven't, even with the help of the other ten thousand pages of cave geology I've read over too many years. But you will absorb the general ideas, and this is the book you will go back to later for the details. (Sorry, but about all the Spanish I know is más cerveza. Perhaps someone will translate this or, better, buy the book and write his own review.) The only source I know of so far is Javier Mugica Jerónimo, Grupo SAMA, Sociedad Espeleológica de Cuba
[Texascavers] Fwd: Guadalupe Mountains National Park Media Advisory - Storm Update #3
For those of you who expressed interest in the affects of the recent rains in the Carlsbad area... Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Pierce, Karl karl_pie...@nps.gov Date: 2013/09/18 18:06 (GMT-07:00) To: Subject: Fwd: Guadalupe Mountains National Park Media Advisory - Storm Update #3 National Park Service Guadalupe Mountains 400 Pine Canyon Drive U.S. Department of the Interior National Park Salt Flat, TX 79847 915-828-3251 phone 915-828-3269 fax Guadalupe Mountains Media Advisory Release date: Immediate Contact(s): Karl M. Pierce Phone number: 915-828-3251 x 2300 Email: karl_pie...@nps.govmailto:karl_pie...@nps.gov Date: September 18, 2013 Release code: 13-10 Guadalupe Mountains National Park Storm Update (Pine Springs, TX) Park staff continues to assess the damage from last week’s storm and flash floods, and has initiated repairs. The park opened the Permian Reef Trail and the Wilderness Ridge Backcountry Campground. Open facilities now include: Pine Springs Visitor Center Pine Springs Campground (Both RV and Tent Camping) McKittrick Canyon Visitor Contact Station Guadalupe Peak Backcountry Campground Wilderness Ridge Backcountry Campground Frijole Ranch (Exterior Areas Only) Guadalupe Peak Trail The Pinery Trail and the Pinery Butterfield Station Ruins Guadalupe Peak Stock Trail McKittrick Canyon Trail (First 1½ Miles to 4th Water Crossing Only) Devil’s Hall Trail (1st mile only) The Western Smith Spring Loop (Smith Spring Trail is Closed Between Smith Spring and Manzanita Spring) The Manzanita Spring Trail Closed Areas include: Frijole Ranch Cultural History Museum Ship on the Desert McKittrick Canyon Trail Beyond the First 1½ Miles, including Pratt Cabin Devil’s Hall Trail After the First Mile Williams Ranch Road and Williams Ranch Williams Road, the Salt Basin Dunes and Western Part of the Park Dog Canyon All Other Trails, Backcountry Campgrounds and Backcountry Areas Much of the park sustained rain and flood damage during last week’s storm. The Frijole Ranch Cultural History Museum, inside the Frijole Ranch House, and the Frijole Bunkhouse sustained heavy water damage to the carpet and walls, and mold is growing inside. A large section of water line was also lost in Frijole Ranch. Ship on the Desert sustained water damage from roof leaks. Park staff is drying out both the Frijole Ranch House and the Ship on the Desert, and have initiated repairs. Park staff hiked to Pratt Cabin and the Williams Ranch House to conduct preliminary damage assessments. Although neither suffered significant damage, both remain isolated, as Williams Ranch Road and the McKittrick Canyon trail both sustained heavy damage. Approximately 45 feet of the embankment of the wash behind the Pine Springs Visitor Center was washed away, so that now only 35 feet from the Pinery Butterfield Station Ruins. One of the stone benches at Smith Spring was washed away. The part of Williams Road and the salt flats on the park’s western flank remain under water. A large section of fiber optic line that the Dell Telephone Company maintains in the park’s housing area, which was buried at least four feet underground, was washed away. The New Mexico Department of Transportation is reporting that New Mexico Road 137 is open. However, Dog Canyon remains closed while park staff assesses storm damage there. Park staff continues to assess the damage from the storm and flooding. However, most other trails sustained damage, with many areas being washed out and debris and remain closed. Visitors are reminded that trails which have been opened still have loose rocks and soft, uneven ground, and many require shallow water crossings. Hikers and backpackers should exercise extreme caution, and all visitors are asked not to enter closed areas, for their own safety. The National Weather Service reported that the Bowl recorded 12.41 inches of rain during a 24 hour period from September 11-12, while Dog Canyon recorded 9.50 inches, McKittrick Canyon
[Texascavers] William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science
Dear Friends, Below is the annual Wilson scholarship announcement from the Karst Waters Institutes. Please share it with anyone who may be interested and contact the representative listed for more information. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org --- The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science Administered by the Karst Waters Institute www.karstwaters.orghttp://www.karstwaters.org The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science was established in 2002 to recognize the significant karst science contributions of the late William (Bill) L. Wilson. Bill Wilson used a variety of techniques, and unusual creativity, to tackle some of the most difficult karst science questions in Florida and elsewhere. He developed a leading karst consulting company in the United States, Subsurface Evaluations, Incorporated. To stimulate the development of new, energetic, motivated, and creative karst scientists, and to remember Bill Wilson and his dedication to karst science, the scholarship has been established in his memory. The value of the scholarship as a one-time award is $1,000. To apply for the William L. Wilson Scholarship, the following conditions exist: 1) The applicant must be currently enrolled in, or have been accepted into, a masters degree program at an institution of higher education in the United States. PhD students are not eligible. 2) A written proposal of the planned karst study must be submitted. It is limited to 1000 words or less for the narrative, not counting figure captions and references. The research topic should be one concerning karst science, from the field of geochemistry, geology or hydrology. A very simple budget indicating how the funds would be used should also be included (it does not count in the 1000 word limit). Applicants are requested to not recycle master's thesis proposals as applications. 3) Academic transcripts of undergraduate, and any graduate work, should be submitted. Copies issued to the student by their institution are preferred. 4) Two letters of recommendation, with one of them from the student's advisor or mentor, should be submitted. It is requested that these letters be submitted as e-mails by the letter writers. 5) Applications are due by February 17, 2014. They should be submitted electronically as a single pdf file that includes the proposal, budget, and all transcripts to: Dr. Jonathan B. Martin Department of Geological Sciences - University of Florida PO Box 112120 Gainesville, Florida 32611-2120 jbmar...@ufl.edumailto:jbmar...@ufl.edu Questions regarding the scholarship should be addressed to Dr. Martin. Applicants will be notified in early March of the decision of the Scholarship Committee. Publications derived from supported research should acknowledge the Karst Waters Institute and the William L. Wilson Scholarship. For more information, go to: http://karstwaters.org/scholarship/
[Texascavers] FW: Guadalupe Mountains National Park Media Advisory - Storm Update #4
Below is the latest flood update from Guadalupe National Park. I spoke with the Superintendent of Carlsbad Caverns National Park this morning and he told me his park was only closed for a few hours during the peak of the flooding when it looked like Walnut Canyon would overflow onto the road. Otherwise, all of his park roads and trails are open. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Pierce, Karl [mailto:karl_pie...@nps.gov] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:21 PM Subject: Fwd: Guadalupe Mountains National Park Media Advisory - Storm Update #4 National Park Service Guadalupe Mountains 400 Pine Canyon Drive U.S. Department of the Interior National Park Salt Flat, TX 79847 915-828-3251 phone 915-828-3269 fax Guadalupe Mountains Media Advisory Release date: Immediate Contact(s): Karl M. Pierce Phone number: 915-828-3251 x 2300 Email: karl_pie...@nps.govmailto:karl_pie...@nps.gov Date: September 20, 2013 Release code: 13-11 Guadalupe Mountains National Park Storm Update (Pine Springs, TX) Park staff continues to assess the damage from last week’s storm and flash floods, and has initiated repairs. The park opened Dog Canyon, the Bush Mountain Trail from Dog Canyon to the Marcus Overlook, and the Tejas Trail from Dog Canyon to the junction with the McKittrick Canyon Trail. Open facilities now include: • Pine Springs Visitor Center • Pine Springs Campground (Both RV and Tent Camping) • McKittrick Canyon Visitor Contact Station • Guadalupe Peak Backcountry Campground • Wilderness Ridge Backcountry Campground • Frijole Ranch (Exterior Areas Only) • Dog Canyon • Guadalupe Peak Trail • The Pinery Trail and the Pinery Butterfield Station Ruins • Guadalupe Peak Stock Trail • McKittrick Canyon Trail (First 1½ Miles to 4th Water Crossing Only) • Devil’s Hall Trail (1st mile only) • The Western Smith Spring Loop (Smith Spring Trail is Closed Between Smith Spring and Manzanita Spring) • The Manzanita Spring Trail • Bush Mountain Trail (from Dog Canyon to Marcus Overlook) • Tejas Trail (from Dog Canyon to the junction with the McKittrick Canyon Trail) Closed Areas include: • Frijole Ranch Cultural History Museum • Ship on the Desert • McKittrick Canyon Trail Beyond the First 1½ Miles, including Pratt Cabin • Devil’s Hall Trail After the First Mile • Williams Ranch Road and Williams Ranch • Williams Road, the Salt Basin Dunes and Western Part of the Park • All Other Trails, Backcountry Campgrounds and Backcountry Areas • All trails are temporarily closed to horseback riding and stock use. The McKittrick Canyon Trail will be temporarily closed beginning Monday, September 23, as trail crews and equipment begin repairs. The park is working to have this trail repaired to the Grotto in time for Fall Colors, which attracts thousands of visitors to see the changing fall foliage in McKittrick Canyon annually. All park trails are temporarily closed to horseback riding and stock use, at this time, due to safety concerns from heavy damage to and current conditions of park trails. Much of the park sustained rain and flood damage during last week’s storm. The Frijole Ranch Cultural History Museum, inside the Frijole Ranch House, and the Frijole Bunkhouse sustained heavy water damage to the carpet and walls, and mold is growing inside. A large section of water line was also lost in Frijole Ranch. Ship on the Desert sustained water damage from roof leaks. Park staff is drying out the Frijole Ranch House, Frijole Bunkhouse and the Ship on the Desert, and have initiated repairs. Park staff hiked to Pratt Cabin and the Williams Ranch House to conduct preliminary damage assessments. Although neither suffered significant damage, both remain isolated, as Williams Ranch Road and the McKittrick Canyon trail both sustained heavy damage. Approximately 45 feet of the embankment of the wash behind the Pine Springs Visitor Center was washed away, so that it is now only 35 feet from the Pinery Butterfield Station Ruins. One of the stone benches at Smith Spring
[Texascavers] Register for the NSS Board of Governors meeting: Carlsbad, NM, 9 November 2013
Dear Friends, The Pecos Valley Grotto and National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) will be hosting the Fall 2013 Board of Governors meeting of the National Speleological Society (NSS) at NCKRI Headquarters, Carlsbad, New Mexico, on 9 November 2013. The meeting will immediately follow the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS), which will follow the Board meeting of the Cave Research Foundation. A lot of things are happening in Carlsbad in early November! Advance registration for the NSS meeting is requested. You are welcome to register when you arrive (but it will be at a slightly higher price) but it will help tremendously in our planning if you pre-register so we can be sure to have enough, food, drink, and space for you. For the registration form and other details, go to the NSS Southwestern Region's Activities page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/activities.html. You'll also find links there to the NCKMS and other happenings. Important!!! During the past two years, oil and gas production has greatly increased in the Carlsbad area. Although two new major hotels have opened during that time and more are being built, 95-97% of all hotels rooms in Carlsbad are filling every day. The NSS registration form has options for you to stay for free at local cavers' homes. Space in beds, on floors, and in yards for camping is limited and filling up so register ASAP. If you plan to stay in a hotel, make your reservations as soon as possible. People who arrive in Carlsbad without reservations often do not find rooms or pay very high prices. The registration form has hotel information to help you. Lastly, the registration form has information on caving trips, parties, a unique caver scavenger hunt, and other things to do while you're in town. So come for NCKMS and stay a little longer for the NSS meeting. If you haven't been to one before, this is a great chance to meet with the leaders of the NSS and give them your thoughts on what is going great with the NSS and what needs improvement. That is the reason the NSS Board meetings travel around the country. I know they look forward to meeting and hearing from you. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. Thanks, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] New tour at Carlsbad Caverns
I'm forwarding this from the National Park Service... Sign Language Interpreters Join Park Rangers for Special Tour CARLSBAD - American Sign Language interpreters will join park rangers in offering a tour of beautiful King's Palace at Carlsbad Caverns National Park on Sunday, Oct. 6, 2013 from 1 p.m. to 2:30 p.m. English and Spanish interpreters will be available to park visitors during the tour. This is a unique opportunity for anyone who has a hearing loss and communicates by signing. General admission fee for the park is $10 for adults, ages 16 and older, and children 15 and younger are free. There is an additional $8 fee for the special King's Palace tour. Senior and Access pass holders receive a half-price discount for the King's Palace tour. Passes may be obtained at the ticket office inside the park. Reservations are required. Visitors should make arrangements online at www.recreation.gov or by phone at 1-877-444-6777 or 1-877-833-6777 (TDD). On the day of the tour, visitors must pick up their reserved tickets by 12:30 p.m. at the ticket counter inside the park's visitor center. For more information about this event, contact Amanda Carrigan Grissom, Carlsbad Caverns' accessibility coordinator at 575-785-3120 or email amanda_carrigan-gris...@nps.gov. For general cave information (hours, cave tours, and other activities), call 575-785-2232 or visit www.nps.gov/cavehttp://www.nps.gov/cave. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
[SWR] NCKMS not shutdown! Detailed schedule now posted
Dear Friends, The ongoing government shutdown has had many adverse effects across the country, but I'm happy to say that the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS) is still on schedule to be an excellent meeting at NCKRI Headquarters in Carlsbad, New Mexico. NCKRI is co-hosting this meeting with the Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, and US Forest Service. If the shutdown continues until the conference date of 4-8 November 2013, we have options and assistance in place to make up for where our federal friends won't be able to help. So if you haven't registered yet, do! Not convinced? The detailed schedule has now been posted. Check out http://nckri.org/nckms2013. Click on the Schedule tab to see the general schedule. If you just put your cursor over Schedule you'll find drop-down menus with the schedules of the three days of 42 great talks. It's not too late to register for the great workshops and field trips that are also offered. Remember, the field trips are included in the price of registration. If you can't stay the full week, day passes are available! Please share or post this message with anyone you think may be interested. I look forward to seeing you soon in Carlsbad, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
RE: [Texascavers] TCR!
I second that, but even better was seeing many good friends. It's been about 4 years since I was last able to make it to TCR. I hope it won't be that long before my next one. My thanks to all who make it possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com Date: 2013/10/20 15:50 (GMT-07:00) To: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR! Wow, what a great TCR, lovely site and weather! Thanks to everyone who made it happen - Don, Stefan and the cooks, Pete Strickland with the hot tub and sauna, and everyone else. It was a hoot. Cheers, Denise
Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
Several of us in Carlsbad are trying to get the movie shown here. If you'd like to help, put in a good word at: http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/ Thanks, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Linda Starr Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; Southwestern Region Subject: Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas Hey grotto and SWR cavers, We went to see No Place on Earth movie last night in Santa Fe. It was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and Design) besides us. At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author (the main character in the movie) of The Secret of Priest's Grotto. We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, their trials, their stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. The movie makes you think, Could I do this with my family if I had to. My answer is NO! Families and people today would not be able to survive 1-1/2 years in a cave. Anyway, if you get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by it. Linda Starr On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.commailto:lstarr...@gmail.com wrote: Grotto cavers, Check out this video site and try the link. I got in and requested a showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater. It would be great if my request received support from you so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it. This story looks really interesting. Check out the trailer. Linda Starr -- Forwarded message -- From: Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.commailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com, s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No Place on Earth. This Friday May 3 Austin: Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills Santa Fe: The Screen Scottsdale: Shea 14 Theater Next Friday May 10 Dallas: Angelika Film Center and Cafe For you folks in other states, try this link http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/ For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available on numerous links, just Google it. Hint: a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time. Logan ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
Bill, If you and any others think it may be worth the drive, then it is worth you sending the movie folks a message of support via their website. Knowing that people living 2.5 hours away would be willing to come to Carlsbad to see the movie will carry a lot of weight. Thanks, George Sent from mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Might be worth driving over for that! Bill - Original Message - From: George Venimailto:gv...@nckri.org To: Linda Starrmailto:lstarr...@gmail.com ; lmcn...@austin.rr.commailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com ; Southwestern Regionmailto:s...@caver.net Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas Several of us in Carlsbad are trying to get the movie shown here. If you’d like to help, put in a good word at: http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/ Thanks, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org From: swr-boun...@caver.netmailto:swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Linda Starr Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:48 PM To: Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; Southwestern Region Subject: Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas Hey grotto and SWR cavers, We went to see No Place on Earth movie last night in Santa Fe. It was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and Design) besides us. At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author (the main character in the movie) of The Secret of Priest's Grotto. We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, their trials, their stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. The movie makes you think, Could I do this with my family if I had to. My answer is NO! Families and people today would not be able to survive 1-1/2 years in a cave. Anyway, if you get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by it. Linda Starr On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.commailto:lstarr...@gmail.com wrote: Grotto cavers, Check out this video site and try the link. I got in and requested a showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater. It would be great if my request received support from you so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it. This story looks really interesting. Check out the trailer. Linda Starr -- Forwarded message -- From: Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.commailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com, s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No Place on Earth. This Friday May 3 Austin: Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills Santa Fe: The Screen Scottsdale: Shea 14 Theater Next Friday May 10 Dallas: Angelika Film Center and Cafe For you folks in other states, try this link http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/ For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available on numerous links, just Google it. Hint: a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time. Logan ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free
[SWR] National Cave and Karst Management Symposium: important reminder!
Dear Friends, Last week NCKRI hosted the Sinkhole Conference, which based on the many calls, e-mails, and personal comments we've received, went fabulously well. We're now looking forward to hosting another conference on 4-8 November 2013: the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS). We've teamed up with the Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, and US Forest Service to make it exceptional. As an important reminder, in two weeks and three days, June 1st 2013, is the deadline for NCKMS papers. Do not expect any leeway in that deadline because to address a concern about some past NCKMSs, where the proceedings were not published until well after the meeting, we will have the proceedings ready when you arrive! The theme for the 2013 NCKMS is A Changing Climate, and will address the topic of climate change in the broadest sense, to include the impact of changes in our physical climate as well as changes in the political, technological, and social climate on cave and karst management. However, we encourage authors to submit papers on all topics relevant to the management of caves and karst resources. We have already received several interesting papers and the US National Park Service is planning a big showing to present their new cave and karst inventory and monitoring protocols. A great line-up of workshops and trips are scheduled, and the registration price is a bargain. George Huppert Scholarships are available for those, especially students, needing financial assistance. For more NCKMS details, visit http://nckms2013.businesscatalyst.com/. Please forward this message or post it wherever you think people may be interested. I hope to see you at the National Cave and Karst Research Institute in Carlsbad, New Mexico, for the 20th NCKMS on 4-8 November 2013! George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave
http://www.kens5.com/news/Bracken-Bat-Cave-vs-Crescent-Hills--208381441.html For more information and to learn how to help, go to http://www.batcon.org/index.php/media-and-info/latest-news/714-save-bracken-cave-reserve.html?utm_campaign=educationutm_source=externalutm_medium=redirect. San Antonio City Council will meet to discuss and decide on this issue in one week. Sign the on-line petition but if you have time, remember that your letters and e-mails will have much greater impact, especially if received before the meeting on the 29th so the mayor, councilors, and their staff have time to read or at least review them. If you live in the San Antonio, your physical presence at the council meeting is also important. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave
Mark, That's a good and fair question. It also ties more into biology so I'll defer to Jim Kennedy to answer more authoritatively than I can as a hydrogeologist. However, in the comments I sent to the San Antonio City Council I pointed out that the high-density development is also over the Edwards Aquifer Recharge Zone. Such developments have been demonstrated to diminish the volume of water replenishing the region's primary water supply as well as having a much greater risk of degrading the quality of the water. While bats are getting the emphasis, this type of development is also bad for people who rely on the Edwards. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:15 PM To: George Veni; Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave Thanks for the interesting post, George. I do have one question, though, and I am NOT picking sides here: What's the difference between houses 800 to 900 yards away from the Bracken Cave entrance and bats living under the Congress Street Bridge in Austin, smack dab in the middle of downtown Austin? The Austin colony seems to be functioning fine and thriving, may I say, growing? And the buildings (read high rises) are much closer than 800 to 900 yards. Just playing dumb here, so please don't advocate having me drawn and quartered and left in a pile of guano! Inquiring minds just want to know. Your thoughts? (I'm ducking under a table now) Mark Alman (not Minton) :) From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:09 PM To: Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] News report on threat to Bracken Bat Cave http://www.kens5.com/news/Bracken-Bat-Cave-vs-Crescent-Hills--208381441.html For more information and to learn how to help, go to http://www.batcon.org/index.php/media-and-info/latest-news/714-save-bracken-cave-reserve.html?utm_campaign=educationutm_source=externalutm_medium=redirect. San Antonio City Council will meet to discuss and decide on this issue in one week. Sign the on-line petition but if you have time, remember that your letters and e-mails will have much greater impact, especially if received before the meeting on the 29th so the mayor, councilors, and their staff have time to read or at least review them. If you live in the San Antonio, your physical presence at the council meeting is also important. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Weird Antarctic pits revisited
Last year there was some discussion about some huge and weird pits observable in Google Earth in Antarctica (see Donald Davis' note below). I've been slowly poking around for information and finally found that the bedrock is a complex sequence of: Precambrian meta-sedimentary rocks, comprising mainly granulite facies orthogneiss. The metamorphic rocks are predominantly layered and massive gneisses, each of which are intruded by several sets of metamorphosed mafic dykes. Plutonic igneous rocks intrude the granulite and range in composition from gabbro to granite. Later emplaced unmetamorphosed dolerite dykes form minor topographic lineaments across the southern hills. (from, Reconstruction of ice flow across the Bunger Hills, East Antarctica. Paul C. Augustinus http://www.researchgate.net/researcher/26398377_Paul_C_Augustinus/ , Damian B. Gore http://www.researchgate.net/researcher/2000685865_Damian_B_Gore/ , Michelle R. Leishman http://www.researchgate.net/researcher/483441_Michelle_R_Leishman/ , Dan Zwartz http://www.researchgate.net/researcher/2000706352_Dan_Zwartz/ , Eric A. Colhoun . 1997. Antarctic Sciencehttp://www.researchgate.net/journal/1365-2079_Antarctic_Science 9(3):347 - 354). In other words, it isn't karst. After doing more reading and lots staring at the Google Earth images, I suspect they localized areas where massive glaciers that once covered those hills plucked out some massive chunks of ground, leaving deep holes. Water later filled the holes, froze, and the dark areas currently visible are probably not giant voids waiting for someone to rappel into, but frozen lakes. This fits with the papers I've been reading of impressive glacial striations and other features in that area. George --- Posted by Donald Davis, August 28, 2012: A question for you as an Antarctic speleological researcher: Larry Fish brought my attention in May to bizarre features visible in Google Earth--two huge holes in rough-looking black terrain with patchy snow and ice near the coast of East Antarctica. The larger one (about 300 feet across!) is at 66d 33' 11.77 S, 99d 50' 21.33 E; the smaller one (about 100 feet across) is at 66d 36' 12.57 S, 99d 43' 12.36 E. The latter one looks to have some dark-colored, curving hood-like structure, with a raised margin, arching over half of the opening (or at least gives that illusion when viewed without stereo capability). The other may have a shell of ice along the right side, with a gap between that and the rock. My first thought was volcanic fumaroles, with emerging fumes interacting with subzero surface air to form cryokarstic equivalents of rimmed vents, like the ice towers made by this process on Mt. Erebus. But this area with the apparent pits is in Queen Mary Land, near the Bunger Hills, a quarter of the way around the continent's margin from the Mt. Erebus volcanic zone, in terrain mapped as very ancient Precambrian with some younger overlying sediments. This would seem to preclude volcanic venting. There's been some science done in the Bunger Hills, but I've no idea whether anyone has ever looked at these pits up close. Whatever these holes are, they are shown as at only about 500 feet elevation, so they presumably can't go deeper than that without going below sea level. My only other guess is that the chaotic-looking black landscape is not bedrock but stony glacial drift, and that the pits might conceivably be where massive chunks of ice have disappeared from underneath a permafrost-stabilized rubble surface. But, with the sole exception of the round pits in volcanic rock on Mars, these are the most alien-looking cave mouths I've ever seen, and could be right out of H.P. Lovecraft. I wondered whether you might have any insights about these remarkable features, or know any experts on Antarctic geomorphology who could at least tell us what the black host material actually is, and what processes in that environment could account for such cavities. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Geological Society of America Karst Sessions: highlight on Transport and Transformation of Non-Solute Materials in Karst Aquifers
Dear Friends, The next Geological Society of America Convention will be held this Denver, Colorado on 27-30 October. Six topical sessions on caves and karst are offered this year, all sponsored by NCKRI. Following is a message from Ellen Herman, Michael Sinreich, and Dorothy Vesper, with a special invitation asking you to consider submitting abstracts to their session. Afterward is a summary of the other sessions offered. Please consider submitting an abstract to our proposed session for the 2013 GSA Annual Meeting, 27-30 October:TRANSPORT AND TRANSFORMATION OF NON-SOLUTE MATERIALS IN KARST AQUIFER. Our purpose in this session is to focus on innovative studies and techniques related to non-solute materials in karst waters. In particular, we encourage the submission of abstracts related to sediments, particulate tracers, contaminants (especially non-aqueous phase liquids), and biota. We hope that this session will help integrate across the research in these areas and that we can all learn from the overlap in techniques and applications. We are pleased to have confirmation from the following invited speakers: Michiel Pronk, Centre for Hydrogeology and Geothermics CHYN, Univ. of Neuchâtel Ingrid Padilla, Dept. of Civil Eng. and Surveying, Univ. Puerto Rico Mayagüez Ben Schwartz, Dept. of Geology, Texas State Univ. Look for Session # T63. The deadline for submission is Tuesday, August 6. http://community.geosociety.org/2013AnnualMeeting/ Regards, Ellen Herman, Michael Sinreich, and Dorothy Vesper - Also offered at GSA Convention this year are the following sessions: T58. 125 Years Underground: A Retrospective and Prospective of Cave and Karst Research GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI); GSA Geophysics Division; GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division George Veni, Lewis Land Caves and karst were once viewed as geologic curiosities but are now recognized as important features and terrains. This session reviews 125 years of cave/karst science, emphasizing the last 50 years, and looks toward future advancements. T59. Assessing Hazards and Groundwater Contamination in Karst GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Yongli Gao Groundwater contamination and hazards such as sinkholes are the two most common environmental concerns in karst lands. This session focuses on advancements in technology and approaches for hazard assessment and contamination investigation in karst areas. T60. Caves as Deep Time Repositories of Geological, Biological, and Anthropological Information GSA Hydrogeology Division; Geochemical Society; GSA Archaeological Geology Division; GSA Geobiology Geomicrobiology Division; GSA Geology and Society Division; GSA Geophysics Division; GSA Mineralogy, Geochemistry, Petrology, and Volcanology Division; GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; GSA Sedimentary Geology Division; Mineralogical Society of America; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI); SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology) Joshua M. Feinberg, E. Calvin Alexander Jr Caves serve as deep time repositories of scientific information. This session welcomes contributions utilizing cave deposits to create time series of original data that capture information about the evolution of geologic, biologic, and anthropological systems. T61. Karst 2.0: Orogenies and Glaciers and Faulting-Oh My! The Impact of Changing Geologic Conditions on Existing Karst Terrane and the New Tools and Techniques We Have to Study It GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Cory W. Blackeagle Once established, how does karst terrain change in response to subsequent changes in its region's geologic setting? How are those changes from initial conditions recognized? What cutting-edge technologies are being used in karst research today? T62. The Epikarst as a Boundary and Critical Zone GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Benjamin F. Schwartz, Madeline E. Schreiber We welcome work on epikarst, including modeling, field studies, and novel method developments, that advances our understanding of hydrobiogeochemical processes, physical constraints, and environmental controls on epikarst function as a surface-subsurface boundary and critical zone. T123. Geology in the National Parks: Research, Mapping, and Resource Management GSA Geophysics Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Bruce Heise, Jason P. Kenworthy, Timothy B. Connors This session addresses the role of geoscience in the U.S. National Parks. Presentations are invited on geologic research, geologic mapping, paleontology, coastal geology
RE: [Texascavers] Thumbs up on Honey Creek Cave video
Fabulous! Makes me homesick for the cave and Texas cavers. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: speleoste...@aol.com [mailto:speleoste...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 6:45 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Thumbs up on Honey Creek Cave video Last night the link to a new in-depth video about the big Honey Creek Cave, Texas' longest cave, Tank Haul Extravaganza that happened in January of this year was posted on James Brown's Facebook page. It's 40 minutes long and very well done. I know that I'm impressed. Edited by Joe Furman. http://youtu.be/kG-sSnoXzYU A+ if you ask me. Cavingly, Bill Steele
RE: [Texascavers] Sinkhole Conference proceedings
Bill, Thanks for the good words. At NCKRI we're trying to support open access to publications as much as possible. That is one of the big reasons we're working on the Karst Information Portal as a giant virtual international cave and karst library. I've seen too many people, who really need information to do good works, blocked from receiving it because it is too expensive to buy. It is a tough choice to do this because selling publications can provide us small but needed funding, but providing open access publications is just the right thing to do. I won't swear that we'll never print another publication, but the next six publications we have on the horizon (not counting our annual report which be available in both print and digital format) are all planned as digital. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:30 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole Conference proceedings Thanks, George and NCKRI. I've always been frustrated that the proceedings of the previous conferences in the series were allowed to fall into the hands of commercial scientific publishers who priced them for libraries and professionals, with the result that I own few or none of them. The free PDF is great, and the layout is, for the most part, fully commercial-quality. It's not just a concatenation of files provided by the authors. I'll be having made a bound black-and- white printout, but of course I'll also keep a copy of the PDF on disk, because some fraction of the numerous color images really require seeing the color for understanding. There are quite a few papers about Texas.--Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Conference Announcement: International Workshop on Ice Caves, Idaho Falls, USA, August 2014
Dear Friends, The International Workshop on Ice Caves (IWIC) is a series of workshops devoted entirely to ice cave research. IWIC is the only conference focused on state-of-the-art in ice cave research, where international experts discuss ongoing research efforts and promote global cooperation in ice cave science and management. These meetings have happened every year since 2004, and all in Europe. The next IWIC, IWIC-VI, will be held next year on 17-22 August 2014 in Idaho Falls, Idaho, USA! For Europeans this will be the first opportunity to see cave ice in a completely different setting-lava tubes! For North Americans and many others, this is an excellent opportunity to meet with the world's leading cave ice experts. Major themes of IWIC-VI include: * Cave glaciology and ice dynamics * Cave meteorology and climatology * Cryo-mineralogy and cryo-crystallography * Paleoclimatology and global change * Chemistry and geochemistry of ice caves * Ice cave management and technology In fact, IWIC-VI welcomes papers on any topic involving cave ice. IWIC is a conference of the Glacier, Firn, and Ice Caves Commission of the International Union of Speleology, and IWIC-VI is being hosted by the National Cave and Karst Research Institute of the USA. For more information, visit http://www.iwic-vi.org/index.html. Save the dates and look for more information to be posted within 3-4 months on registration and submitting papers for the conference. I hope to see you there! Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] Call for Abstracts: American Geophysical Union
Dear Friends, During this year's American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco, California, on 9-13 December, Jason Gulley, Matt Covington, and Corinne Wong will host an important session that may interest you. The description of their session is below. For more information and to submit an abstract (deadline is 6 August 2013), visit http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2013/. Critical Zone Processes in Carbonates: Carbonate rocks cover 20% of Earth's ice-free land and are modified by hydrological, biological and geochemical processes in the critical zone. Congruent dissolution and high solubility of carbonate rocks should lead to Critical Zone processes that are different than those occurring in siliciclastic rocks, which are dominated by incongruent weathering. Caves, an extreme endmember of critical zone processes in carbonates, provide efficient pathways for oxygen and carbon into the subsurface, resulting in complex subsurface chemical and gas gradients that do not occur in siliciclastic systems. This session solicits abstracts dealing hydrological, biological or geochemical processes operating in the carbonate critical zone, broadly defined. Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[SWR] Geological Society of America Karst Sessions: highlight on 125 Years Underground: A Retrospective and Prospective of Cave and Karst Research
Dear Friends, The next Geological Society of America (GSA) Convention will be held this Denver, Colorado on 27-30 October. Six topical sessions on caves and karst are offered this year, all sponsored by the National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI). Following is a special invitation asking you to consider submitting abstracts to the session organized by NCKRI. Afterward is a summary of the other sessions offered, followed by an announcement from GSA that registration for the convention is now open and includes a link for submitting abstracts. The abstract deadline is midnight, 6 August 2013, US Pacific Time. T58. 125 Years Underground: A Retrospective and Prospective of Cave and Karst Research GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI); GSA Geophysics Division; GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division George Veni, Lewis Land Join us to celebrate GSA's 125th Anniversary! Appreciation, knowledge, and understanding of cave and karst systems has changed dramatically since GSA's creation and especially over the last 50 years. Once considered geologic curiosities and delegated to the realm of explorers, not scientists, caves are now widely recognized as important geological features and karst as a distinctive and significant geologic terrain that covers about 20% of the planet's land surface. Karst aquifers are the world's most productive yet environmentally vulnerable groundwater systems, serving as the sole or primary water supply for over 40 million Americans. Cave crystalline and sedimentary deposits are becoming recognized as some of the richest and most diverse sources of paleoclimatic and geoarcheological data. Cave fauna and microorganisms are offering startling insights into geological processes while pointing the way in finding extraterrestrial life. This session will highlight the changes in the study and application of cave and karst systems since the origin of GSA, with a focus on the past 50 years, and use it as a platform to look ahead toward advancements on the horizon. Three invited speakers will set the stage for this session. Dr. Derek Ford will discuss how cave and karst science evolved during GSA's first 75 years, Dr. William B. White will focus on progress over the past 50 years, and Dr. Penelope Boston will offer a look forward at current trends and predictions on the future frontiers in the field. Also offered at GSA Convention this year are the following sessions: T59. Assessing Hazards and Groundwater Contamination in Karst GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Yongli Gao Groundwater contamination and hazards such as sinkholes are the two most common environmental concerns in karst lands. This session focuses on advancements in technology and approaches for hazard assessment and contamination investigation in karst areas. T60. Caves as Deep Time Repositories of Geological, Biological, and Anthropological Information GSA Hydrogeology Division; Geochemical Society; GSA Archaeological Geology Division; GSA Geobiology Geomicrobiology Division; GSA Geology and Society Division; GSA Geophysics Division; GSA Mineralogy, Geochemistry, Petrology, and Volcanology Division; GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; GSA Sedimentary Geology Division; Mineralogical Society of America; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI); SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology) Joshua M. Feinberg, E. Calvin Alexander Jr Caves serve as deep time repositories of scientific information. This session welcomes contributions utilizing cave deposits to create time series of original data that capture information about the evolution of geologic, biologic, and anthropological systems. T61. Karst 2.0: Orogenies and Glaciers and Faulting-Oh My! The Impact of Changing Geologic Conditions on Existing Karst Terrane and the New Tools and Techniques We Have to Study It GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Cory W. Blackeagle Once established, how does karst terrain change in response to subsequent changes in its region's geologic setting? How are those changes from initial conditions recognized? What cutting-edge technologies are being used in karst research today? T62. The Epikarst as a Boundary and Critical Zone GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Benjamin F. Schwartz, Madeline E. Schreiber We welcome work on epikarst, including modeling, field studies, and novel method developments, that advances our understanding of hydrobiogeochemical processes, physical constraints, and environmental controls on epikarst function as a surface-subsurface boundary and critical
[SWR] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel
Dear Friends, The Weather Channel has a series called Secrets of the Earth. A few months ago, on behalf of NCKRI, I assisted with a segment they titled Strangest Places and which will at least partly feature Caverns of Sonora. Yesterday the producers told me that it is scheduled to air on Thursday, 11 July at 8:30 p.m. EDT. It will also air several other times, but any of the times may be changed at the last moment if there are major weather events. Details and times are supposed to be posted at http://www.weather.com/tv/programs/, although their on-line schedule didn't work for me so I'll just check the on-screen schedule on my TV that day. The people making the video seemed like a good crew and asked a lot of great questions, so I'm hoping this will be quality presentation on this world class cave. George P.S.: Feel free to post or share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] TSS Database sample link
I can give a demo of WallsMap during Winter Tech this December. I have the full TSS data set (since I'm still a data manager for TSS) and can show the full power and versatility of the software. If any New Mexico cavers would like to see how this database beautifully integrates with GIS, photos, maps, let me know and I'll be happy to give a demo. Otherwise, I'll find something else to talk about. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:42 PM To: Texas Cavers; Southwestern Region Subject: [Texascavers] TSS Database sample link As a follow-up to the TSS update, TSS Database Manager David McKenzie sends this link to give a sample of what the TSS Database is capable of. He is constantly upgrading and updating it with new info provided by others, and with your input, it will never be finished, which is good. http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/Walls/WallsMap-TX.htm - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel - rescheduled!
Last week I sent the message below. I just got a follow-up that The Weather Channel has rescheduled their programming. I just checked http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/secrets-of-the-earth/upcoming-episodes/EP01724188?aid=zap2it, which gives the schedule through the 22nd and Caverns of Sonora episode has been postponed until sometime after that. Sorry, but I don't know when. If I get a new firm date and can let you know in time, I will. George - Dear Friends, The Weather Channel has a series called Secrets of the Earth. A few months ago, on behalf of NCKRI, I assisted with a segment they titled Strangest Places and which will at least partly feature Caverns of Sonora. Yesterday the producers told me that it is scheduled to air on Thursday, 11 July at 8:30 p.m. EDT. It will also air several other times, but any of the times may be changed at the last moment if there are major weather events. Details and times are supposed to be posted at http://www.weather.com/tv/programs/, although their on-line schedule didn't work for me so I'll just check the on-screen schedule on my TV that day. The people making the video seemed like a good crew and asked a lot of great questions, so I'm hoping this will be quality presentation on this world class cave. George P.S.: Feel free to post or share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
RE: [Texascavers] revised book review
Thanks Bill. I've forwarded your messages to get the book also posted on the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org). I don't know what the current waiting time is before it gets posted, but I would guess within a week but maybe longer because it's summer and people may be away on vacation. For everyone's information, posting on the Portal always takes extra time because the team does a lot of behind-the-scenes magic that optimizes each file for accessibility, discoverability, and functionality, including with digital tools that are currently in development. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 10:49 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] revised book review I discovered a better source for that book on the caves of the tepuis. This one has no hassles and gives a choice of file sizes. Here's revised review. Venezuelan Tepuis: Their Caves and Biota. Edited by Roman Aubrecht and Ján Schlögl. Comenius University, Bratislava; 2012. ISBN 978-80-223-3349-8. 8 by 11 inches, 167 pages. Free PDF file at http://www.geopaleo.fns.uniba.sk/ageos/monograph/aubrecht_et_al_2012_en.php . The tepuis of Venezuela are isolated mesas of Precambrian quartzite and sandstone with spectacular scenery, including 807-meter Angel Falls, the world's highest waterfall. They also contains some large and unusual karst features, including huge shafts such as Sima Major on Sarisariñama Tepui, 300 meters wide and deep, and the Ojos de Cristal Cave System, 16 kilometers long. The helicopters sitting on the floor of the 200-meter-high entrance to Cueva El Fantasma in figure 13 look like flies. Quartzite is not very soluble, so the caves have been assumed to be very old, but no speleothems have been dated to before the Pleistocene. Ten feet of rain a year no doubt has something to do with their formation. Fifteen authors have contributed to this book. It is very much a scientific monograph, but even the most technical sections have many color photographs of unusual surface and underground features. Following a brief introduction to the geology and climate of the area, there is a hundred-page geology chapter. The part of that of most general interest is a survey of many of the caves known on the tapuis, although the only maps are small-scale outline maps. Other sections cover water chemistry and curious speleothems of unusual composition, such as silica. Geomicrobiology is apparently involved in the creation of some of the formations. The final chapter, on biota, is about thirty-eight pages long and covers only land snails, aquatic insects both surface and cave, and herps. The bibliography is fourteen pages of fine print. There are other sources on the web besides the one given above. Some require joining something or logging in. The one listed does not, and gives a choice of 160, 30, or 10 MB files with different degrees of compression of the illustrations. The color photographs are a very important part of the book, but it will be expensive to print out if you want to make a color hardcopy. If you do print it, note that the PDF file does not contain the blank back of the cover, so the left- hand pages all appear on the right. Before making a two-sided printout, add the blank page or delete the cover page.-Bill Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: Exciting News!
A couple of people have asked about the selection process. Having served on the UIS Bureau for 11 years, and just reelected to another four, I've learned a lot of its inner workings. In this case, it's nothing complicated or mysterious, just not well publicized (we're trying to fix that). The UIS awards procedures are similar to those of NSS but less formal. Also, It all happens at the ICS instead of with advance nominations and voting. During the ICS week, the awards chair approaches people from around the world who are knowledgeable about exploration or other award topics in order to collect a good list of nominees. An international panel then reviews the nominees and makes their selection. As with the NSS, the nomination details and discussions are confidential. I think an excellent choice was made this year with the exploration prize, and I send my congratulations to the FSCSP. George P.S.: The next ICS was selected and it will be in Sydney, Australia, in 2017, mostly likely at the end of July. That is the cheapest time of the year for airfare there and if you put away only a couple dollars a day between now and then you'll have likely saved more than enough to cover that cost plus registration. It should be a great time. The 17th in '17 should be a great time. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org From: Steve Peerman [mailto:fscsp.direc...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:43 PM To: Aaron Stavens; Dick Venters; Bob Straub; Linda Starr; David Winnett; David Worthington; Evelyn Townsend; Graham Schindel; Wayne Walker; Robert Wood; Bernard Szukalski; Pete Tschannen; Dan Wray; Anne Withrow; Jacque LaRue Thomas; Mary Thiesse; Henry Schneiker; Kenny Stabinsky; Abby Tobin; Dennis Worthington; Adam Zipkin; Peg Sorensen; Patricia Sawyer; Norm Thompson; Jim Werker; Aaron Stockton (home); Shawn Thomas; Kyle Uckert; Allen Wright; Grady Viramontes; David Voelz; Ed Woten; Bruce White; Patricia Seiser; Diana Tomchick; Lee Skinner; Phil Thommes; Adam Weaver; Janice Tucker; Kel Thomas; Lynda Sanchez; Karla Wheeler; George Veni; Paul Unger; Bob Stucklen; Mike Spilde Subject: Exciting News! All, As many of you know, the 16th International Congress of Speleology (the international version of the National Speleological Society -- NSS) just concluded today in Brno, Czech Republic. FSCSP Board Member John Moses is also the International Secretary of the NSS and attended the Congress. After the closing banquet of the Congress, he sent us this message: At the 16th International Congress of Speleology in Brno, Czech Republic, the International Union of Speleology named the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project Team as the winner of the 2013 prize in exploration. A plaque will be sent to the team and the award includes a cash prize of 100 Euros. Excellent exploration is conducted with excellent science and follows top standards for cave protection. The Fort Stanton Cave Study Project stands as a shining example for all members of UIS to follow. FSCSP board member and US national delegate, John Moses, accepted the award on behalf of the team. Other Fort Stanton project participants present were asked to stand and be recognized. Citing the most significant cave exploration projects which have taken place between the 15th ICS in 2009 and this year, the honorable mentions included the Hang Son Doong Cave project in Vietnam (world's largest cave passage) and the K'oox Baal, Mexico underwater cave (4th longest underwater cave in the world). This is indeed, an honor, and a tribute to all the hard work that all the participants have put into the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project in the last few years, and since work started at the cave 50 years ago. Everyone who has contributed in any way should be proud of this achievement and merits a Thank you! from myself and from all the directors of the FSCSP! Steve Peerman Project Director, Fort Stanton Cave Study Project fscsp.direc...@gmail.commailto:fscsp.direc...@gmail.com
[Texascavers] Austin sinkholes in the news
The media interviews Mustafa Saribudak, a good guy doing geophysical work out of Austin. The media botches some of the geologic details, but otherwise the point about the risks in Austin being lower than Florida is correct. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/sinkhole-dangers-in-austin George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
[SWR] Sinkhole Conference: registration news and updates
Dear Friends, Below are some important reminders and news about the Sinkhole Conference. But first, if you haven't registered, please do through https://sites.google.com/site/sinkholeconference2013/. The conference will be held in Carlsbad, New Mexico, on 6-10 May. This is the most western location for this 29-year old conference series and the first to focus its field trips (as well as a special session) on evaporite karst. We have over 50 papers lined up covering nine countries and a dozen US states in topics of engineering, geology, land management, hydrogeology, GIS, and geophysics. Four workshops at the start of the conference also span those topics. This will be an incredible opportunity to visit with experts from around the world and see how they manage, fix, and prevent problems in their karst areas. After you register, make sure you reserve your hotels as soon as possible. For well over a year, occupancy of Carlsbad hotels is generally exceeding 95% every day. It is often impossible to find a room at the last minute, and if you do, you will find it very expensive. Reserve your rooms now while they are available at good prices. Look under the Carlsbad tab for lodging information or go directly to https://sites.google.com/site/sinkholeconference2013/about-carlsbad/lodging. We have posted a new circular that summarizes the conference's activities under Announcements, or you can directly reach it at https://sites.google.com/site/sinkholeconference2013/home/announcements. The circular has a registration form that can be mailed, faxed, or scanned and e-mailed in if you can't register on-line. If you are planning to join any of the four workshops, read the new circular. It includes the times the workshops will be offered. Some of the workshops will run concurrently so if you are interested in more than one workshop, you'll be able to check to make sure they don't occur at the same time. The Monday trip to WIPP (the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant) is filled. If you would still like to see this underground transuranic waste disposal facility (the only one in the US), there are a few spaces left on the Thursday trip so register soon before they are gone. Our thanks are extended to the good folks at WIPP for providing these trips. If you have any questions about the conference, please let me know. Also, please share this message with anyone you know who may potentially be interested. Sinkholes have been in the US news a lot during the past couple of weeks, but this conference has been important in reducing their occurrence and damages by bringing together engineers, geologists, and land managers to prevent sinkholes and more effectively fix them when they occur. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
RE: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008)
The mostly amazingly rapid stal growth I've seen or heard of is at Grutas de Tolantongo in central Mexico. The water is highly mineralized, very warm, ranging from 36-40C, and it flows fast and hard from every crack in the cave. Every time I've been there, it looks a little different as new curtains, etc. form and older ones get blown away by annual flooding. During my last trip there in 1992, I stepped into the entrance room and looked into the back-right corner for the passage leading to the second room. I didn't see it. After being disoriented for a minute or two, I realized that a 3-m long by 2-m diameter stalactite had grown in front of the passage to the second room and hid it in the few years since I had last been there! My photos from earlier trips don't show any stalactite growing there. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:26 PM To: Neal Hines; nealahi...@gmail.com Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008) In Guatemala, I have seen calcite almost completely covering flagging tape that we left surveying the year before. I have seen stalagmites about 50 cm tall growing out of Maya vessels that are a little more than a thousand years old. I have seen photos of one almost a meter high growing out of a 1000 year old Maya vessel. The growth rate of speleothems is highly variable. Allan From: Neal Hinesmailto:hine0...@umn.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:33 AM To: nealahi...@gmail.commailto:nealahi...@gmail.com Cc: Texas Caversmailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Estimate of stalactite growth (Merkel et al. 2008) This morning I read a geochemistry text on carbonate mineralization that gave an example of how much stalactites might grow in one year: 0.19 mm/year. It's a recent book (Merkel et al. Groundwater Geochemistry 2008). Assumptions: partial pressure CO2 of 3% (charged up from soils) degassing to 0.03% (by volume; atmospheric level), 100L of water dripping from the ceiling, and the ceiling covered by 15% stalactites. Cavers all know this growth varies by quite a bit, but this might serve as a rough upper end growth rate. So, within a caver's life of 70 years, you could see a formation grow by over 1 cm! Lending truth to the observation I've heard of some cavers that, this passage has shifted since I was here last. Sodastraws can grow even faster I believe I'm sure people will have opinions on that. Also, thanks to Ron Green for doing the webinar on Geophysics in karst landscapes last night. I caught only the tail end, but there were tons of questions and very interested participants. -Neal Hines
[Texascavers] Geological Society of America Convention: call for cave and karst abstracts
Dear Friends, The next Geological Society of America Convention will be held this year in Denver, Colorado on 27-30 October. The call for abstracts was posted today. You can submit abstracts at http://community.geosociety.org/2013AnnualMeeting/Sessions. The deadline for submissions is midnight, 6 August 2013, US Pacific Time. Six topical sessions on caves and karst are offered this year. NCKRI is proud to sponsor all of the sessions and is hosting one of the sessions on GSA's 125th Anniversary theme. Also, if you are conducting research in any of the US National Parks, check out Session 123, which NCKRI is also sponsoring. Details on all of these sessions are given below. Of special note, NCKRI is joining many other friends to sponsor a special Pardee Symposium: P1. 125 Anniversary Pardee: 125 Years of Exploration and Geoscience with GSA and the National Geographic Society: Celebrating the Rich History of Geoscientist Explorers who have Broadened our Horizons and Knowledge of our World GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; GSA History and Philosophy of Geology Division; GSA Hydrogeology Division; Karst Waters Institute (KWI); GSA Mineralogy, Geochemistry, Petrology, and Volcanology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI); GSA Planetary Geology Division; GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; GSA Sedimentary Geology Division; GSA Structural Geology and Tectonics Division Cory W. Blackeagle; George Veni; Barbara EchoHawk This session will showcase the intimate linkage between geology and exploration both historically and currently. Speakers will represent scientists-explorers and their contributions over the last 50 years, as well as today's geoscientists who are pushing the frontiers of science and providing us with new views of Planet Earth. Individual speakers will represent different arenas of exploration and study: caves, mountains, oceans, polar regions, deserts, plains and grasslands, jungles, and planetary geology. For more information about the GSA Convention, visit http://community.geosociety.org/2013AnnualMeeting/Home. We hope you will join us there. Lastly, there is an effort by many karst scientists to create a Karst Division in GSA. Registration in support of this effort is happening through a GSA Karst Interest Group discussion list. We currently have about half the members needed to form a division. To subscribe to the list and support creation of the Karst Division, contact Cory Blackeagle at cblackea...@uky.edumailto:cblackea...@uky.edu. He will e-mail you a personal invitation that you'll need to join the list. Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. George --- T58. 125 Years Underground: A Retrospective and Prospective of Cave and Karst Research GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI); GSA Geophysics Division; GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division George Veni, Lewis Land Caves and karst were once viewed as geologic curiosities but are now recognized as important features and terrains. This session reviews 125 years of cave/karst science, emphasizing the last 50 years, and looks toward future advancements. T59. Assessing Hazards and Groundwater Contamination in Karst GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Yongli Gao Groundwater contamination and hazards such as sinkholes are the two most common environmental concerns in karst lands. This session focuses on advancements in technology and approaches for hazard assessment and contamination investigation in karst areas. T60. Caves as Deep Time Repositories of Geological, Biological, and Anthropological Information GSA Hydrogeology Division; Geochemical Society; GSA Archaeological Geology Division; GSA Geobiology Geomicrobiology Division; GSA Geology and Society Division; GSA Geophysics Division; GSA Mineralogy, Geochemistry, Petrology, and Volcanology Division; GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; GSA Sedimentary Geology Division; Mineralogical Society of America; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI); SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology) Joshua M. Feinberg, E. Calvin Alexander Jr Caves serve as deep time repositories of scientific information. This session welcomes contributions utilizing cave deposits to create time series of original data that capture information about the evolution of geologic, biologic, and anthropological systems. T61. Karst 2.0: Orogenies and Glaciers and Faulting-Oh My! The Impact of Changing Geologic Conditions on Existing Karst Terrane and the New Tools and Techniques We Have to Study It GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) Cory W. Blackeagle Once
[SWR] Conferences at NCKRI: important hotel information
Dear Friends, If you are registered or considering attending the 13th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst (aka the Sinkhole Conference) on 6-10 May 2013, or the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS) on 4-8 November 2013, please read this message. During the past two years, oil and gas production has greatly increased in the Carlsbad area. Although two new major hotels have opened during that time, 95-97% of all hotels rooms in Carlsbad are filling every day. The hotel rooms we reserved for you for the Sinkhole Conference have now been filled. If you do not have reservations yet, I urge you to make reservations as soon as possible wherever you can find them. Many people who arrive in Carlsbad without reservations often do not find rooms or pay very high prices. I suggest you go to www.hotels.comhttp://www.hotels.com or some other travel website where you can collect information on hotel prices, amenities, and reviews to select the lodging that best suits you and at the best available price. For information on hotels suggested for the NCKMS, visit http://nckms2013.businesscatalyst.com/lodging.html. It is still early and you can get good room prices for this conference. Also, as a reminder for NCKMS, the deadline for papers is 1 June 2013. I look forward to seeing you in Carlsbad for either and hopefully both conferences. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George P.S.: Over the next couple of years, 4-5 hotels are scheduled to be built in Carlsbad. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Cave biology course in Cozumel
Dear Friends, Attached is information on a cave biology course that is offered in June on Cozumel Island, Mexico by Dr. Luis Meija. The course will be taught in English. Besides being a beautiful place to visit, the subterranean biology of the island is fascinating. Please share this message with anyone who may be interested. For more information, please contact: Dr. Luis M. Mejía-Ortíz Lab. de Bioespeleología y Carcinología Secretario Técnico de Posgrado e Investigación División de Desarrollo Sustentable E-mail: luisme...@uqroo.mxmailto:luisme...@uqroo.mx Tel: 9878729000 Ext 741 George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org Cave Life Course.pdf Description: Cave Life Course.pdf ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Sinkhole Conference: final registration and sponsorship reminder
Dear Friends, The 13th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst (aka the Sinkhole Conference) starts in Carlsbad, New Mexico, in 11 days on Monday, May 6th. It will run through that week with workshops, field trips, dozens of excellent papers, plus two receptions, a delicious banquet, and many other opportunities to network with top engineers, geologists, and land planners from around the US and eight countries on sinkholes and other environmental karst issues. In addition to the chance to learn the latest and greatest information in the field, the Sinkhole Conference is also a great opportunity to advertise your business or organization to a very interested professional community. It is not too late to sponsor the conference or register as an exhibitor! For information about the conference and to register, go to https://sites.google.com/site/sinkholeconference2013/. If you'd like to exhibit, see https://sites.google.com/site/sinkholeconference2013/home/exhibitors for details. For more sponsorship information, contact Suzanna Langowski at slangow...@nckri.orgmailto:slangow...@nckri.org or by calling 575-628-2702. Please share this message with anyone who may interested. I look forward to seeing you soon, George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] National Cave and Karst Management Symposium: deadline for papers coming soon!
Dear Friends, One month from tomorrow, June 1st 2013, is the deadline for papers for the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS). This note is a reminder to complete and send in your papers by that deadline. Do not expect any leeway in that deadline because to address a concern about some past NCKMSs, where the proceedings were not published until well after the meeting, we will have the proceedings ready when you arrive! We have already received several interesting papers and the US National Park Service is planning a big showing to present their new cave and karst inventory and monitoring protocols. A great line-up of workshops and trips are scheduled, and the registration price is a bargain. George Huppert Scholarships are available for those, especially students, needing financial assistance. For more NCKMS details, visit http://nckms2013.businesscatalyst.com/. Please forward this message or post it wherever you think people may be interested. I hope to see you at the National Cave and Karst Research Institute in Carlsbad, New Mexico, for the 20th NCKMS on 4-8 November 2013! George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[SWR] Big Manhole Cave: last minute reminder!
If you'll be in the Carlsbad area this weekend or can be, this is a last minute reminder that NCKRI is working with the SWR on a geophysical study of Big Manhole Cave. The purpose is to refine the work that has been previously been done and try to develop a better idea of where and how to connect Manhole to the passages that must exist beyond and are the source of its airflow. Part of the reason for this last minute reminder is because there were some last minute cancelations and a couple of extra hands would be really helpful tomorrow and Sunday. If you can make it, meet at NCKRI HQ in Carlsbad tomorrow and/or Sunday at 7:30 a.m. MST. For directions: http://nckri.org/about_nckri/contact_nckri.htm. If you know how to get to Manhole and prefer to meet there, feel free to head to the well pad at the start of last rough patch of road before the cave. Lewis Land will be leading tomorrow's effort and will be up there around 8:30 a.m., and then he will continue on and drive to the cave. I'll join him on Sunday. Today Bonny Armstrong and Michael Queen joined Lewis and me in laying out 3.5 of the 6 geophysical transects we plan to run this weekend. My many thanks to them for a great day's work! I'll present the results of this weekend's survey at Winter Tech in Albuquerque. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Thanks and Big Manhole update
I don't have Aubri Jensen's and Sean Lewis' e-mail addresses, so I'm sending this note of thanks and results publically via the list. They came out to Carlsbad last weekend and were a huge help with the resistivity survey at Big Manhole Cave, and I thank them for their excellent work. We didn't get as much done last weekend as we hoped for. Vehicle and other issues cut our day short and only one line was surveyed, but it nicely showed the passage that the dig in Manhole is shooting to get into. But we didn't get any useable data on Sunday. It seems that moisture from a morning shower got into the equipment and gave us the bad results that we'll have to redo, which will probably happen this week with BLM staff helping. For any of you going to the Southwestern Region's Winter Technical Meeting in Albuquerque on the 8th, I'll make a short report at Winter Tech on the results. Aubri and Sean, if you'd like to be posted on the results once the microgravity results are in too, send me your addresses and I'll be in touch. Again, many thanks, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
[SWR] NCKRI Annual Report and important conference news
Dear Friends, I'm delighted to announce that the National Cave and Karst Research Institute's (NCKRI) latest annual report is now available for free download from our website, www.nckri.org. Look under the About NCKRI tab and you'll find our publications. The annual reports cover NCKRI's activities over our July through June fiscal year. If you look under the Events tab at www.nckri.org, you'll find information on three conferences we are hosting next year. If you are planning to attend the Carbon and Boundaries in Karst meeting in January or Sinkhole Conference in May, be aware that finding a hotel room in Carlsbad at the last minute is now difficult and expensive. The oil and gas industry has become very active in this area and it now not unusual for every hotel room to be booked, and the last rooms available going for over $300 a night! We have reserved blocks of rooms in two hotels for both conferences at much lower rates. I urge you to make your reservations now. You'll find the deadlines for making reservations at the conference rates on each conference's website. Of course, if you haven't registered yet for the conferences, please do! I would appreciate you sharing this message with anyone you think may be interested. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] FW: La segunda cueva mas larga del mundo, en Quintana Roo, Mèxico
In case you haven’t heard or can’t read the Spanish below, Sistema Sac Actun and Sistema Dos Ojos, two massive underwater caves in Quintana Roo, Mexico, have been connected for a combined length of 303 km, making it the second longest cave in the world. Not too far away is 240 km long Sistema Ox Bel Ha. When (not if), that connection is made, the total length will be at least within 85 km of Mammoth Cave’s current length of 628 km. Considering how many other caves are in the area and the rate they are being surveyed, don’t be surprised if in a short time the longest cave in the world is in Mexico and underwater! Congratulations to all involved for a fantastic accomplishment. As an interesting historical note, when Mammoth became the longest cave in 1972 through its connection to the Flint Ridge Cave System, its total length was only 232 km. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org _ From: AIDA qua...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: [tlamaqui] La segunda cueva mas larga del mundo, en Quintana Roo, Mèxico Hola amantes de cuevas, éste es un anuncio corto pero conciso, pequeño pero rinconero: El articulo acerca la conexión del Sistema Dos Ojos con el Sistema Sac Actun acaba de aparecer recientemente en el noticiario de la NSS. Oficialmente es la segunda cueva mas larga en el mundo con una longitud de 303 km, localizado en Quintana Roo, Mèxico. Pronto será enlistado como tal en la página oficial de QRSS. Cabe mencionar que el joven quintanarooense Jacinto Vela, fue el primero en escurrirse por el pequeño acceso que hizo la conexión posible. Mando mapa y mas info como archivo adjunto. Saludos! Aida F. ___ ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: La segunda cueva mas larga
I wonder if this very real threat of losing the #1 spot will prompt some people to reconsider their interest in connecting Mammoth to Fischer Ridge. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Preston Forsythe Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 21:38 To: Mark Minton; s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: La segunda cueva mas larga More than a few years ago I went to the closest spot between Fisher and Roppel (MaCa). Joe Saunders led me to this upper rocky crawl where I went to the bitter end, rocky collapse, and placed a sign Joe had given me, stating something to the effect, we (Fisher Ridge) does not want to be swallowed. Do not come any closer! I wonder if that is still the closest spot? Since it was an upper level rocky crawl that area is not given much hope to connect. We went in from the Remington Entr. to Fisher. Fun times with Joe. Cavingly, Preston Forsythe - - Original Message - From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Re: La segunda cueva mas larga Minor update. According to Jim Coke (QRSS), another connection has pushed the length of Sac Actun to over 308 km. The longest cave in the world might well end up in Quintana Roo, although if (when) Fisher Ridge connects to Mammoth, that'll add another 200 km to the latter. Mark At 07:21 PM 12/6/2012, George Veni wrote: In case you haven't heard or can't read the Spanish below, Sistema Sac Actun and Sistema Dos Ojos, two massive underwater caves in Quintana Roo, Mexico, have been connected for a combined length of 303 km, making it the second longest cave in the world. Not too far away is 240 km long Sistema Ox Bel Ha. When (not if), that connection is made, the total length will be at least within 85 km of Mammoth Cave's current length of 628 km. Considering how many other caves are in the area and the rate they are being surveyed, don't be surprised if in a short time the longest cave in the world is in Mexico and underwater! Congratulations to all involved for a fantastic accomplishment. As an interesting historical note, when Mammoth became the longest cave in 1972 through its connection to the Flint Ridge Cave System, its total length was only 232 km. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215Â USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: AIDA qua...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: [tlamaqui] La segunda cueva mas larga del mundo, en Quintana Roo, Mexico Hola amantes de cuevas, éste es un anuncio corto pero conciso, pequeño pero rinconero: El articulo acerca la conexión del Sistema Dos Ojos con el Sistema Sac Actun acaba de aparecer recientemente en el noticiario de la NSS. Oficialmente es la segunda cueva mas larga en el mundo con una longitud de 303 km, localizado en Quintana Roo, Mexico. Pronto será enlistado como tal en la página oficial de QRSS. Cabe mencionar que el joven quintanarooense Jacinto Vela, fue el primero en escurrirse por el pequeño acceso que hizo la conexión posible. Mando mapa y mas info como archivo adjunto. Saludos! Aida F. Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Karst Field Studies 2013 Program and Karst Waters Institute Awards Dinner
Dear Friends, Below are two announcements: karst field courses that will be offered in June and an awards dinner in March. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested, and contact the good folks below for more information. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org --- Greetings! The Hoffman Environmental Research Institute through its Center for Cave and Karst Studies and in cooperation with the Mammoth Cave International Center for Science and Learning and Western Kentucky University, are pleased to announce the launch of the Summer 2013 Karst Field Studies Program. Courses this summer will include: - Karst Geology, June 2-8, Dr. Art Palmer - Karst Geophysics, June 9-15, Dr. Lewis Land - Cave Photography, June 10-14, Dr. Dave Bunnell - Karst Hydrology June 17-21, Drs. William White and Nicholas Crawford - Cave Biology and Ecosystems, June 17-21, Dr. Dave Ashley Courses may be taken for graduate, undergraduate, or continuing education credit. Courses may also be taken as non-credit workshops. For more information about the program, courses, how to register, and instructors, please visit karstfieldstudies.com http://karstfieldstudies.com/ . While visiting the website be sure to also check out the 'Scholarships' tab for information about the Nick Crawford Karst Education Scholarship, a competitive award designed to offer financial assistance for attending a course. If you have any questions please contact the Karst Field Studies Director, Dr. Leslie North, at https://email.wku.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=8qNx-cjPYUiCvuZwIobp0wtuXtEuqM9I0QpD It4baXuyaRNwnLhoyVhIeb3nBJVh4tvjcPBDUbY.URL=mailto%3aleslie.north%40wku.edu leslie.no...@wku.edu. Please forward this message to your friends, students, and/or colleagues. You can also like us on Facebook at Karst Field Studies (WKU/Mammoth Cave). Hope to see you this summer! Dr. Leslie A. North Assistant Professor Department of Geography and Geology Associate Director of Education Hoffman Environmental Research Institute Western Kentucky University 1906 College Heights Blvd., EST 436 Bowling Green, KY 42101 (270) 745-5982 leslie.no...@wku.edu --- Karst Award Dinner Announcement for 2013 - Dr. Norman Pace The 2013 KWI Karst Award banquet will be held in Boulder, Colorado, the evening of March 2, 2013. Festivities start at 6:00 PM at Tangerine (2777 Iris Ave., tangerineboulder.com http://tangerineboulder.com/hours-and-info ). This year's honoree is Dr. Norman Pace, and he will speak on the topic of The Microbes Below: Caves, Aquifers and Drinking Water Distribution Systems. Other awards will also be given. Reserve your seat(s) by sending a check for $60/person to the Karst Waters Institute, PO Box 4142, Leesburg, VA 20177. Dinner includes hors d'oeuvres, dinner with choice of entrees, wine/beverages. For more information please contact Jack Hess - jh...@geosociety.org John W. Hess, Ph.D. Executive Director The Geological Society of America 3300 Penrose Place PO Box 9140 Boulder, CO 80301-9140 Office: +1.303.357.1039 Fax: +1.303.357.1074 Cell: +1.303.859.3849 jh...@geosociety.org www.geosociety.org
[SWR] Call for abstracts -- National Cave and Karst Management Symposium!
Dear Friends, The National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS) is now accepting abstracts for its next meeting, which will be held on 4-8 November 2013 at the National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) in Carlsbad, New Mexico. This is the 20th of this internationally attended conference series. For details about the conference and to submit an abstract, go to https://sites.google.com/site/nckms2013/home. Please note the following deadlines. They are a little earlier than usual for NCKMS because by popular demand we plan to have the proceedings ready in time for distribution at the symposium, instead of after which has been the norm. -- March 15, 2013: Abstract due -- April 1, 2013: Authors notified of abstract acceptance -- June 1, 2013: Draft manuscripts due -- August 14, 2013: Authors provided with review and comments -- September 9, 2013: Final papers due Anyone needing financial assistance to attend NCKMS, especially students, are encouraged to apply for a George N. Huppert Scholarship. For information about the scholarship and how to apply, visit: http://nckms.org/scholar.shtml On-line registration for the conference will be posted soon. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. I hope to see you in Carlsbad in November at NCKMS. For information on other conferences hosted by NCKRI, visit: http://nckri.org/events/conference.html. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] FW: 16th ICS photo and art salons
Below is an update on next year's International Congress of Speleology (ICS). I'm expecting it to be a great event and lots of others agree. US registration for this ICS is higher than any ICS to date outside of the US. Below is an update, especially that details for submitting entries to the ICS photo and art salons are now available. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. Thanks, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Speleo 2013 [mailto:pap...@speleo2013.com] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 00:44 To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: 16th ICS actual Dear colleagues, Dear caving friends, 16th ICS will start in 7 month from now, and more than 400 people from 48 countries are already registered! We also received approximately 280 contributions for all Congress sessions! While it is early for many to register, these numbers show the excellent diversity of people who will attend the ICS! I am also very happy to announce that there are additional details regarding the photographic and art salons posted on the Congress website. You can find it here: http://www.speleo2013.com/page/show/complementary_program We welcome all your photographs and art works in this prestigious, traditional, and global competition. Additional details regarding the Cartographic salon and Spelemedia will follow at later date. Have a wonderful holiday season! Zdenek Motycka 16 ICS Chairman President of Czech Speleological Society
[SWR] Searching for a new UIS website calendar editor
The UIS (International Union of Speleology) is looking for someone to take over as editor of its website calendar. Interested? For more information, please contact Jasmina Rijavec, manager of the UIS Internet Team, at jasmina_rija...@yahoo.com. The UIS website is at http://www.uis-speleo.org/. Feel free to distribute this message to anyone who might be interested. Thanks, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] NCKRI cover photo correction
Dear Friends, I have recently learned of an error in NCKRI's 2011-2012 Annual Report. The cover photo has the caption: This 1963 photo of rare gypsum chandeliers in Cottonwood Cave, New Mexico, is one of many taken by the late Bob Trout and donated this year to NCKRI. Gifts such as this have incredible value, in this case because this spectacular speleothem was tragically destroyed by vandals. It now only exists in a few images like this, which NCKRI strives to collect, preserve, and make available for research and education. Many years ago Jerry Trout showed me a place in the cave where there is now bare wall and he described how a chandelier extended to the floor. I don't know if I was told that this cover photo was of that location or I misunderstood that it was, but in any case I wrote the photo caption based on what I understood to be true and accurate. I now know the chandelier in the photo still exists and is not the destroyed one. I am very sorry for the error. I will publish a correction in NCKRI's 2012-2013 Annual Report, which should be released in September or October. The one thing that remains true about the photo caption is that it is important for NCKRI and others to collect and archive cave photos to preserve them as historical and scientific records. I appreciate everyone's support in helping NCKRI achieve these and other goals. I also appreciate those cavers who delicately informed me of the error, not wanting to cause hurt feelings. Everyone at NCKRI works hard to do the best job possible, but we sometimes make mistakes we don't see. We welcome input that helps us fix those errors, prevent mistakes in the future, and improve our operations in general. For anyone wanting to see this or NCKRI's other annual reports and publications, visit http://nckri.org/about_nckri/nckri_publications.htm. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] NCKRI cover photo correction
I have received several responses to my posting below, some on the forum and some private. I appreciate all of them and am replying to all through this message. For clarification should be it be needed, NCKRI has no special interest in Cottonwood Cave or this speleothem at this time. They were used as the cover photo to recognize a generous donation of an extensive collection of photographs and to show how such photos can be valuable. NCKRI does not currently have the time to conduct a historical photographic study of this or other speleothems, but we encourage anyone wishing to do such studies. Developing an archive of cave photos can help with such efforts. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Dear Friends, I have recently learned of an error in NCKRI's 2011-2012 Annual Report. The cover photo has the caption: This 1963 photo of rare gypsum chandeliers in Cottonwood Cave, New Mexico, is one of many taken by the late Bob Trout and donated this year to NCKRI. Gifts such as this have incredible value, in this case because this spectacular speleothem was tragically destroyed by vandals. It now only exists in a few images like this, which NCKRI strives to collect, preserve, and make available for research and education. Many years ago Jerry Trout showed me a place in the cave where there is now bare wall and he described how a chandelier extended to the floor. I don't know if I was told that this cover photo was of that location or I misunderstood that it was, but in any case I wrote the photo caption based on what I understood to be true and accurate. I now know the chandelier in the photo still exists and is not the destroyed one. I am very sorry for the error. I will publish a correction in NCKRI's 2012-2013 Annual Report, which should be released in September or October. The one thing that remains true about the photo caption is that it is important for NCKRI and others to collect and archive cave photos to preserve them as historical and scientific records. I appreciate everyone's support in helping NCKRI achieve these and other goals. I also appreciate those cavers who delicately informed me of the error, not wanting to cause hurt feelings. Everyone at NCKRI works hard to do the best job possible, but we sometimes make mistakes we don't see. We welcome input that helps us fix those errors, prevent mistakes in the future, and improve our operations in general. For anyone wanting to see this or NCKRI's other annual reports and publications, visit http://nckri.org/about_nckri/nckri_publications.htm. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Sinkhole Conference: discount registration ends February 14th
Dear Friends, The 13th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst will be held in Carlsbad, New Mexico, on 6-10 May 2013. We have already accepted dozens of excellent papers, designed several insightful short courses, have scheduled four outstanding special invited speakers, and are preparing what is one of the most unique and fascinating field trips of this conference series. You can still register for the conference at a discount price, but only through this Thursday, February 14th. On Friday, the prices go up! The prices for registration are the lowest in many years, especially for students, but only if you register by the 14th. For information about the conference and to register, go to https://sites.google.com/site/sinkholeconference2013/. While sinkholes are the major theme, since 1984 this conference series has been the greatest forum on karst engineering, geotechnical, water resource, and other environmental management issues. Participation is always international and includes several papers this year from China. To see a sinkhole in China which recently swallowed a 3-story building, visit http://m.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0129/Sinkhole-swallows-building-complex-in-China. This conference series has been instrumental in reducing such incidents, and I look forward to seeing you there to improve the science and prevent even more collapses. Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] Let’s go chthoning!
My wife Karen found and suggested I post this… A.Word.A.Day with Anu Garg chthonic PRONUNCIATION: (THON-ik) [http://wordsmith.org/words/images/sound-icon.png] http://wordsmith.org/words/chthonic.mp3 MEANING: adjective: Of or relating to the underworld. ETYMOLOGY: From Greek chthon (earth). Ultimately from the Indo-European root dhghem- (earth), which also sprouted human, homicide, humble, homage, chameleon, chamomile, inhumehttp://wordsmith.org/words/inhume.html, exhume, and Persian zamindar (landholder). Earliest documented use: 1882. USAGE: The earth's crust is riddled with unresolved tensions -- prod, pierce or bend it enough and these chthonic stresses will find sudden release. Notes from Underground; The Economist (London, UK); Apr 21, 2012. Explore chthonichttp://visualthesaurus.com/?w1=chthonic in the Visual Thesaurus. A THOUGHT FOR TODAY: To read fast is as bad as to eat in a hurry. -Vilhelm Ekelund, poet (1880-1949) George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
[Texascavers] Geoscience position advertisements at Ball State University
Dear Friends, Below are two announcements from Dr. Lee Florea of Ball State University. One is an advertisement for a postdoctoral position and the other for a doctoral student, both in the geosciences with opportunities in karst. If you are interested or know someone who is, please contact Dr. Florea directly at: Dr. Lee J. Florea P.G. Department of Geological Sciences Ball State University Fine Arts Building, room 130-B Muncie, IN 47306 Phone: 765-285-8266 Fax: 765-285-8265 mailto:lflo...@bsu.edu%20 lflo...@bsu.edu http://works.bepress.com/lee_florea/%20 http://works.bepress.com/lee_florea/ http://www.researcherid.com/rid/E-8065-2011 http://www.researcherid.com/rid/E-8065-2011 Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 mailto:gv...@nckri.org gv...@nckri.org http://www.nckri.org www.nckri.org --- Postdoctoral Research Scientist ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES PH.D. PROGRAM COLLEGE OF SCIENCES AND HUMANITIES Ball State University Muncie, INDIANA Responsibilities: conduct interdisciplinary environmental research associated with the Environmental Sciences Ph.D. program; provide support with field and laboratory activities; develop manuscripts for publications; present research at local and national scientific venues; participate in activities of the Environmental Sciences Ph.D. program. The highly collaborative environment provides a unique opportunity for postdoctoral fellows to interact with scientists from various fields. Areas of Research Interest Include: . Low temperature geochemistry, groundwater tracing, stable isotopes, and geophysics with a focus on groundwater/surface-water interaction and karst aquifers . Hydrogeology with a focus on water-rock interactions and ground-source geothermal systems . Aquatic biogeochemistry with a focus on transport and effects of agricultural and urban contaminants in freshwaters . Isolation and chemical characterization of dissolved organic matter in fresh and saline natural waters . Physical organic chemistry/analytical chemistry with a focus on the reactivity and selectivity of reactive oxygen species toward persistent environmental contaminants . Community ecology of stream organisms Minimum qualifications: Ph.D. in chemistry, geology, biology, environmental sciences, or related scientific field by date of appointment; experience in environmental research. Preferred qualification: presentation and publication of previous research. Candidates for professional contract positions must have current authorization to be employed in the U.S. without employer sponsorship. Send cover letter, curriculum vitae, transcripts, and the names and contact information for three references to: Professor E. Michael Perdue Environmental Sciences Ph.D. Program Ball State University Muncie, IN 47306 or to mailto:emper...@bsu.edu emper...@bsu.edu Review of applications will begin February 15, 2013, and will continue until the positions are filled. http://www.bsu.edu www.bsu.edu. Ball State University is an equal opportunity, affirmative action employer and is strongly and actively committed to diversity within its community. Click on the Acrobat link below for a complete position description: http://cms.bsu.edu/sitecore/shell/-/media/WWW/DepartmentalContent/HumanReso urces/PDFs/Job%20Postings/103670%20Position%20Description.pdf 103670 Position Description --- doctoral Student, ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES, Ball State University The Ball State University Department of Geological Sciences is seeking a candidate to admit into the doctoral program in Environmental Sciences. The selected candidate would receive annual tuition remission and a competitive research assistantship renewable for three years. The ideal candidate holds a MS and is a self-starter with experience and ambition to seek external funding. Potential areas of research include: . Low-temperature geochemistry, groundwater tracing, and stable-isotopes in karst aquifers of Kentucky. . Sediment and nutrient transport in the White River watershed of east-central Indiana. . Groundwater/geophysical studies related to the world's largest ground-source geothermal project at BSU. Interested students should visit the above link for application information and contact Dr. Lee Florea at lflo...@bsu.edu to discuss their interest in the program. The Environmental Sciences Ph.D. Program seeks to attract active, culturally, and academically diverse students of the highest caliber. BSU
[Texascavers] Caving languages
Have you wondered about cave and caving terms in other languages? The International Union of Speleology (UIS) has The Caver's Multi-Lingual Dictionary and with the addition of Lithuanian that this message announces, it now includes 16 different languages: Bahasa Indonesian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Dutch, English, Farsi/Persian, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Lithuanian, Portuguese, Romanian, Serbian, Spanish, and Swedish. Languages being worked on are Greek, Hebrew, Japanese, Korean, Norwegian, Polish, Russian, Turkish, and Ukrainian. If you are fluent in a language not listed above and would be interested in adding cave/caving terms from that language into the UIS dictionary, visit the UIS website for information on how to help: http://www.uisic.uis-speleo.org/lexsend.html. You can find the dictionary and more at the UIS website: http://www.uis-speleo.org/ George P.S.: Of course, feel free to share this message with anyone who might be interested. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Caving languages
The dictionary is a project of the UIS Department of Documentation. If you select the Commissions tab then that department, it will take you to a page where you will find it listed under the Informatics Commission. The direct link is: http://www.uisic.uis-speleo.org/lexintro.html George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:40 AM To: George Veni Cc: New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving languages I went to the UIS website and could not find the Dictionary listed on the home page or under any of the tabs. --Ediger On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:14 PM, George Veni gv...@nckri.org wrote: Have you wondered about cave and caving terms in other languages? The International Union of Speleology (UIS) has The Caver's Multi-Lingual Dictionary and with the addition of Lithuanian that this message announces, it now includes 16 different languages: Bahasa Indonesian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Dutch, English, Farsi/Persian, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Lithuanian, Portuguese, Romanian, Serbian, Spanish, and Swedish. Languages being worked on are Greek, Hebrew, Japanese, Korean, Norwegian, Polish, Russian, Turkish, and Ukrainian. If you are fluent in a language not listed above and would be interested in adding cave/caving terms from that language into the UIS dictionary, visit the UIS website for information on how to help: http://www.uisic.uis-speleo.org/lexsend.html. You can find the dictionary and more at the UIS website: http://www.uis-speleo.org/ George P.S.: Of course, feel free to share this message with anyone who might be interested. George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Texas Caver on the Karst Information Portal
A couple of years ago the TSA directors agreed that I could send my complete collection of The Texas Caver for scanning and free digital access the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org). The process took longer than I thought, but the reasons were worth the wait. The Karst Information Portal is created by a partnership of the National Cave and Karst Research Institute, University of South Florida, International Union of Speleology, and the University of New Mexico. Its purpose is to serve as a free, open access research tool for anyone and anything related to caves and karst. Currently, the major effort going on with the Portal is developing a major, digital, open access cave and karst library. The Texas Caver is one of 70 newsletters and journals from 17 different countries currently available through the Portal. While the Portal gets many offers from cavers wanting to help and offering to do the scans, that isn't practical. The scanning, OCRing, metadata documentation, and many hidden digital archiving features conducted by the professional library staff at the University of South Florida is far beyond what any person who doesn't work in a professional digital archiving facility can achieve. Some of the hidden work is developing flexibility and functionality, including for use with emerging technologies that aren't currently available but will be in the future. That is much of what took the extra time. Also, there was major upgrade of the Portal. I'll send a separate announcement on that in a week or two, but I find the Portal easier to use and more flexible, and there were behind-the-scenes and less obvious upgrades I'll report on later. Though my collection of The Texas Caver is complete, the online version on the Portal is complete only through 2009; TSA decided to restrict access to the most recent three years to only TSA members. Next year the 2010 issues will be posted. Also, the Portal's collection is missing the issues for 1968 and 2001. My copies of 1968 and 2001 were too tightly bound and some of the text for those years was hidden in the binding, but I'm now working to get those issues from other sources. While this message is mainly intended for Texas cavers, I know cavers from around the country also read this list. If any of your would like your newsletters posted on the Portal so information on what you're doing can be more easily shared with the rest of the caving world, let me know and I'll work with you to make that happen. Don't assume It's just a grotto newsletter and no big deal. Grotto and regional newsletters collectively are the largest and most important sources of maps, descriptions, photos, and other information on caves, and it is often not available anywhere else. Now with the Karst Information Portal, your efforts can be more recognized, appreciated, and of benefit to cavers everywhere. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Edwards Aquifer Authority Distinguished Lecture Series
Dear Friends, Below and attached is an announcement of the latest in the Edwards Aquifer Authority's Distinguished Lecture Series. NCKRI is proud to be a sponsor of that program. If you can be in San Antonio on September 25th, it will be worth your while to attend. Dr. Goldscheider is an outstanding lecturer and karst scientist. Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested and contact the people below for information. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org --- Folks, I am pleased to announce that Professor Dr. Nico Goldscheider, Director of the Institute of Applied Geosciences at the University of Karlsruhe, Germany will be our next Distinguished Lecturer. The lecture will take place on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 at Southwest Research Institute and start at 9 am and extends to approximately 4:30 pm. The cost of the series is $20 and $10 for students. The lecture is titled Exploration and Protection of Karst Groundwater Resources: Experiences from Alpine Karst Aquifer Systems. The talks are geared for a wide audience ranging from the interested public to the practicing professional. The lecture will be divided into six lectures on various topics and will include a one hour presentation on ethics in the geosciences field. Lunch and refreshments are provided. Reservations are required and you are encouraged to sign up early as there is limited seating. Approximately 120 people attend these very popular lectures. To receive a flyer describing the lecture, please email me or Elida directly and we'll send you a copy. To register for the lecture, please email or call Elida Bocanegra at 210-222-2204 or ebocane...@edwardsaquifer.org Thank you, Geary M. Schindel, P.G. Chief Technical Officer - Aquifer Science Edwards Aquifer Authority 1615 N. St. Mary's Street San Antonio, TX 78215 210.222.2204 gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org http://www.facebook.com/edwards.aquifer.education cid:image002.png@01CC8E64.0197A150 http://www.youtube.com/eaatx cid:image003.png@01CC8E64.0197A150 http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/rss.php cid:image004.png@01CC8E64.0197A150 http://twitter.com/#!/EdwardsAquifer cid:image005.png@01CC8E64.0197A150 Nico Goldscheider DLS announcement.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Carbon and Boundaries in Karst Symposium deadline update
Dear Friends, Geology, biology, chemistry, hydrology, petroleum, climate change? What about the Grand Canyon! If any of these are your interest, I encourage you to attend the Karst Waters Institute (KWI) Carbon and Boundaries in Karst Symposium on 7-11 January 2013. NCKRI is delighted to work with KWI and host this conference at NCKRI Headquarters in Carlsbad, New Mexico, USA. For more details and to register, go to www.nckri.org/kwi2013. Please note that if you wish to attend the post-conference excursion to the Grand Canyon, your registration for that trip must be received by 15 October 2012! Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. I hope to see you there in January. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Sinkhole Conference: Abstract deadline tomorrow and on-line registration open!
Dear Friends, The abstract deadline for the 13th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst (aka: Sinkhole Conference) is tomorrow, 31 August 2012. We have received many good and interesting abstracts so far and hope you will send yours too. Remember, the conference is not limited to sinkholes but broadly welcomes other engineering and environmental topics involving karst. Tomorrow's deadline also applies to students applying for the Dr. Barry F. Beck Sinkhole Conference Student Scholarship. We hope many students will apply. Professors, please encourage your students! This conference series is an excellent learning opportunity and chance to meet potential colleagues and employers. While mail and fax registration has been open for some time, on-line registration is now also available. Register early for a discounted price; the prices increase on 15 February 2013. To register, and for more information about the Sinkhole Conference, visit www.nckri.org/sinkholeconference2013. Please feel free to send this message to anyone you believe may be interested. Thank you, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Sinkhole Conference deadline extension for students only!
Dear Friends Just a few minutes ago the Sinkhole Conference Organizing Committee decided to extend the deadline, for abstracts for students only and for student applications for the Barry F. Beck Sinkhole Conference Student Scholarship, to the end of September. We have received many excellent abstracts for the Sinkhole Conference in general, but with lower registration prices plus this new scholarship, we are trying to encourage as many students as possible to attend. The Sinkhole Conference is a great way for students considering a career in cave and karst science to meet potential colleagues and employers, as well as to learn a great amount of cutting-edge information on karst environmental management. For more information on the Beck Scholarship, to register for the conference, and for students to send abstracts and applications, go to http://www.nckri.org/sinkholeconference2013. Again, the deadline has been extended only for students through 30 September 2012. If you do not see these changes on the website, it is because we just made the decision; the website will be updated soon. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Romanian caver looking for caving trips
Ioana Meleg is coming to Carlsbad in January from Romania to attend the Carbon and Boundaries in Karst Symposium that will be hosted by NCKRI. Starting Saturday, January 12th, she will be available to go caving. At this point I don't know how long she will be able to stay in the area, and suspect she is flexible. She will need a ride and a place to crash and isn't picky (she may be willing to stay in a cheap motel but she won't have luggage space to pack camping gear). She would prefer caves that don't require vertical gear, again to minimize the amount of stuff she needs to bring with her. If anyone on the list will be or can be in the Carlsbad area during that time and would like to take her caving, let me know soon and I'll send you her contact information so you can work out the details. She needs to book her flights soon to get cheap rates, and her return date will depend on if and how much extra time she spends caving. Romania has some fantastic caves and taking her caving here may be a great way for you to see some of those caves if you get to Europe (like during the International Congress of Speleology next year). Thanks, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] International Congress of Speleology: vendor and exhibition booths and airline update
Dear Friends, At the bottom is a message for vendors and organizations interested in having a booth at the 16th International Congress of Speleology (ICS) next year in Brno, Czech Republic. About two months ago I sent the message below about possible cheap flights to Brno for the ICS. I recently learned that Ryan Air has changed its policy and does not take reservations one year in advance. They will begin taking reservations for July flights to Brno in January or February. If you are traveling to the ICS from the Western Hemisphere and want to save money, consider flying to London and then Brno. Ryan Air (www.ryanair.com) flies from London's Stansted airport directly to Brno, where the ICS will be held. Ryan also flies to many other cities in Europe, and if you book your flights early at the right time they can be very inexpensive. Currently, flights with other airlines from London to Vienna (the nearest major airport to Brno, few airlines fly into Brno) cost about $280 US while flying with Ryan costs about $30 US. Please know that I have no connection with Ryan Air. I am only trying to save people money so more can come to the ICS. Also, be aware that Ryan Air is very strict about its rules. Read its regulations carefully and follow them exactly. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org http://www.nckri.org www.nckri.org From: i...@speleo2013.com [mailto:i...@speleo2013.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 03:24 To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: vendors and exhibition booths Dear Colleagues, Dear caving friends, Very important part of 16 ICS will be a presentation of caving clubs and associations and also vendors selling stands. We have prepared several options of presentation stands and since now, everybody can choose and book them on Congress website: http://www.speleo2013.com/page/show/posters_vendors All exhibitors and vendors are very welcome. I look forward to see you in Brno in July 2013! Zdenek Motycka 16th ICS Chairman ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Announcement: Cave and karst web seminar and student scholarship
Dear Friends, Below are two important educational announcements. The first is a free web seminar for educators and interested adults. The second is a scholarship for graduate students studying karst geochemistry, geology, or hydrology. Please contact the people below for more information, and share this announcement with anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org --- BatLive Free Web Seminar: Caves and Karst - The World Beneath our Feet Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right beneath our feet. Caves and other karst features are home to an array of unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of becoming extinct! And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of ancient life such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground sloths - some of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet. BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, Caves and Karst - The World Beneath our Feet for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: A Distance Learning Adventure. Join us to learn more about karst topography and the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark environment, how caves are connected to the surface, how what we do aboveground can impact these fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave fossils may help us protect endangered bats. This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their questions by e-mail to be answered by experts! Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org to register and become part of the BatsLIVE family! Thanks, Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator Monongahela National Forest 200 Sycamore Street Elkins, WV 26241 304-636-1800 ext. 194 --- The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science Administered by the Karst Waters Institute www.karstwaters.org The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science was established in 2002 to recognize the significant karst science contributions of the late William (Bill) L. Wilson. Bill Wilson used a variety of techniques, and unusual creativity, to tackle some of the most difficult karst science questions in Florida and elsewhere. He developed a leading karst consulting company in the United States, Subsurface Evaluations, Incorporated. To stimulate the development of new, energetic, motivated, and creative karst scientists, and to remember the person of Bill Wilson and his dedication to karst science, the scholarship has been established in his memory. The value of the scholarship as a one-time award is $1,000. To apply for the William L. Wilson Scholarship, the following conditions exist: 1) The applicant must be currently enrolled in, or have been accepted into, a masters degree program at an institution of higher education in the United States. PhD students are not eligible. 2) A written proposal of the planned karst study must be submitted. It is limited to 1000 words or less for the narrative, not counting figure captions and references. The research topic should be one concerning karst science, from the field of geochemistry, geology or hydrology. A very simple budget indicating how the funds would be used should also be included (it does not count in the 1000 word limit). Applicants are requested to not recycle master's thesis proposals as applications. 3) Academic transcripts of undergraduate, and any graduate work, should be submitted. Copies issued to the student by their institution are preferred. 4) Two letters of recommendation, with one of them from the student's advisor or mentor, should be submitted. It is requested that these letters be submitted as e-mails by the letter writers. 5) Applications are due by February 15, 2013. They should be submitted electronically as a single pdf file (application, transcripts, etc.) to: Dr. John E. Mylroie Department of Geosciences Mississippi State University Mississippi State, MS 39762 mylr...@geosci.msstate.edu Questions regarding the scholarship should be addressed to Dr. Mylroie. Applicants will be notified in early March of the decision of the Scholarship Committee. Publications derived from supported research should acknowledge the Karst Waters Institute and the William L. Wilson Scholarship. For more information, go to: http
[SWR] Big Manhole Cave - a joint project, 17-19 November
For the SWR's 50th Anniversary, I proposed a joint SWR-NCKRI project at Big Manhole Cave. The project was accepted and now the details are worked out. Here they are. As most of you know, Breakthrough Is Imminent! at Big Manhole Cave. It's just that the diggers haven't quiet found their way to the undoubtedly big section of the cave the air is blowing from. Some geophysical work has been done which shows a void and its general direction, but a more detailed picture of the situation would be helpful. This is where the SWR-NCKRI partnership comes in. NCKRI will bring its electrical resistivity equipment, plus a microgravity meter on loan to NCKRI from the Hoffman Environmental Research Institute at Western Kentucky University, and conduct a state-of-the-art 3D resistivity-microgravity survey. The two methods combined produce information that is much more accurate and informative than either method alone. The 3D image will also give us a more detailed picture of the situation between the current end of Big Manhole and the start of the currently inaccessible void. In short, NCKRI will provide the equipment and expertise, and SWR will provide the caver-power to deploy the equipment that will collect the data. Here is the basic plan and schedule: Friday, 16 November: A few people will show up to layout the grid for the survey and mark the positions for the 112 resistivity and microgravity survey points. This way everything will be ready to quickly set up the equipment for the actual survey the next day. Most cavers will likely arrive in the evening and camp at the well pad near the cave. Saturday, 17 November: The resistivity equipment will be deployed and measurements made. Deploying the equipment may take 2-3 hours. Afterward, someone will use NCKRI's survey-grade GPS equipment to get highly precise coordinates and elevations for each station while everyone else sits and waits a few hours for the resistivity equipment to finish collecting data. Since resistivity involves sending a current through the ground, no one will be allowed in the cave to prevent accidental injury in case someone touches the metal gate while it carries current from nearby electrodes. Afterward, the team will collect and pack-up the equipment. Sunday, 18 November: Anyone who wants to go into the cave may do so. Digging is encouraged! Meanwhile on the surface, the microgravity survey will take place. This survey is mostly a one-person job with a second person along for safety and to help with moving the equipment. Large numbers of people are not needed for this project, but it would be great to have 10 cavers on the 17th for the bulky and heavy resistivity equipment. If you're interested and/or want more details, contact Aaron Stockton: astoc...@blm.gov George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
RE: [Texascavers] Bracken spiders halt SA road construction
Correction. It is not the Bracken Bat Cave spider. It is the Braken Bat Cave spider. It is a common and understandable mistake. Here is the full story, written for the first time, on the odd cave name. The media could care less, but I suspect that many cavers will find it interesting, if not amusing, and especially if they were caving in Texas 30+ years ago. In January 1977 Greg Passmore published Spelean Studies Project Report No. 1, a collection of maps subtitled Bexar County Cave Maps, A Second Look. Greg caught a lot of flak for this publication, some justified and some not. One complaint was that it included maps of a couple of caves not in Bexar County. Greg obviously knew that Bracken Bat Cave was not in Bexar County, but he included it as a nearby cave and one of interest to cavers in Bexar County; the point of his publication was to provide maps to young cavers in San Antonio looking for cave information. Another complaint was that there was a perfectly good map of Bracken Bat Cave, but Greg chose to use a sketch map by the late Randy M. Waters. Greg replied to this complaint by saying he used what maps he had and he wasn't able receive a copy of the actual survey-based map. There was also ridicule that Bracken was misspelled Braken by Randy. Here is the truth behind the sketch map. Randy had rendered his own sketch of the cave, but I, never having seen a map of the cave other than Randy's sketch (I'd only been caving for a year), made my own sketch of Randy's sketch. Randy's map spelled the cave name correctly, but I misspelled it on my sketch of his sketch. Greg ended up publishing my sketch with the misspelled name. Anyone who knows my handwriting and has a copy of the publication can it is my script misspelling the cave's name. However, apparently James Reddell didn't recognize it. He wrote a review of the report for the Texas Caver and mis-credited Randy for the map, so everyone believed it was his. Randy thought the situation was hilarious and enjoyed playing the bad boy in it, so while we told a few people the sketch map and mistake were mine, for the most part we let people think it was Randy's typo as he wanted. Randy and I talked about naming a cave the misspelled Braken Bat Cave as a joke. About three year later, Randy told me about a small cave he found and I explored and surveyed it with Eric Short. I described it to Randy as a little nothing hole, and the fact that it was not a bat cave added the humor so we christened it Braken Bat Cave thinking it would disappear unnoticed into Texas caving history. Except that I made a biological collection on that trip, which included a tiny spider. A few years later James Reddell told me the spider was described and identified as a new species. In 1992 it was federally listed as an endangered species. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service consulted me on giving the spider a common name. I didn't care for Braken Bat Cave spider because of the confusion it would inevitably cause, but they went with it. I'll end with a historical footnote. Spelean Studies Project Report No. 1 turned out to be the only report in that publication series. I think I bought my copy for $5, possibly less. About 15 years later it had become a collectors' item and sold at a TSA Auction for $100. Maybe with all of the publicity involving the spider and highway, it could fetch an even higher price today. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 07:27 To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Bracken spiders halt SA road construction Everytime I send one of these, I feel like I'm carrying coal to Newcastle: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/49315193/#49315193 I want to know what the guy in the t-shirt expects TDOT to do with the spiders, move them or just stomp on them. Louise
RE: [Texascavers] Bracken spiders halt SA road construction
Jill is welcome to publish what I wrote, but I have no photos. I had no idea what the significance of that spider would be, and didn't give it much thought at the time except to add it to the scientific database. I also didn't have a camera that could take a close-up photo. Remember the old Kodak Instamatic cameras? That was my camera at the time. I bought it at the commissary (I had just gotten out of the military) for about $10 - all I could afford back then. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 19:22 To: Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Bracken spiders halt SA road construction Well, George, I think Jill has her first article for the next Caver edition. Be sure you send her a good pic of the beastie. Louise _ From: gv...@nckri.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:04:54 -0600 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Bracken spiders halt SA road construction Correction. It is not the Bracken Bat Cave spider. It is the Braken Bat Cave spider. It is a common and understandable mistake. Here is the full story, written for the first time, on the odd cave name. The media could care less, but I suspect that many cavers will find it interesting, if not amusing, and especially if they were caving in Texas 30+ years ago. In January 1977 Greg Passmore published Spelean Studies Project Report No. 1, a collection of maps subtitled Bexar County Cave Maps, A Second Look. Greg caught a lot of flak for this publication, some justified and some not. One complaint was that it included maps of a couple of caves not in Bexar County. Greg obviously knew that Bracken Bat Cave was not in Bexar County, but he included it as a nearby cave and one of interest to cavers in Bexar County; the point of his publication was to provide maps to young cavers in San Antonio looking for cave information. Another complaint was that there was a perfectly good map of Bracken Bat Cave, but Greg chose to use a sketch map by the late Randy M. Waters. Greg replied to this complaint by saying he used what maps he had and he wasn't able receive a copy of the actual survey-based map. There was also ridicule that Bracken was misspelled Braken by Randy. Here is the truth behind the sketch map. Randy had rendered his own sketch of the cave, but I, never having seen a map of the cave other than Randy's sketch (I'd only been caving for a year), made my own sketch of Randy's sketch. Randy's map spelled the cave name correctly, but I misspelled it on my sketch of his sketch. Greg ended up publishing my sketch with the misspelled name. Anyone who knows my handwriting and has a copy of the publication can it is my script misspelling the cave's name. However, apparently James Reddell didn't recognize it. He wrote a review of the report for the Texas Caver and mis-credited Randy for the map, so everyone believed it was his. Randy thought the situation was hilarious and enjoyed playing the bad boy in it, so while we told a few people the sketch map and mistake were mine, for the most part we let people think it was Randy's typo as he wanted. Randy and I talked about naming a cave the misspelled Braken Bat Cave as a joke. About three year later, Randy told me about a small cave he found and I explored and surveyed it with Eric Short. I described it to Randy as a little nothing hole, and the fact that it was not a bat cave added the humor so we christened it Braken Bat Cave thinking it would disappear unnoticed into Texas caving history. Except that I made a biological collection on that trip, which included a tiny spider. A few years later James Reddell told me the spider was described and identified as a new species. In 1992 it was federally listed as an endangered species. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service consulted me on giving the spider a common name. I didn't care for Braken Bat Cave spider because of the confusion it would inevitably cause, but they went with it. I'll end with a historical footnote. Spelean Studies Project Report No. 1 turned out to be the only report in that publication series. I think I bought my copy for $5, possibly less. About 15 years later it had become a collectors' item and sold at a TSA Auction for $100. Maybe with all of the publicity involving the spider and highway, it could fetch an even higher price today. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou
[Texascavers] International Union of Speleology Commission on Cave Archeology and Paleontology
Dear Friends of Cave Archeology and Paleontology, The International Union of Speleology (UIS) has a Commission on Cave Archeology and Paleontology. It was created in 1993 to improve communication, projects, and knowledge among those interested in those topics. In recent years the commission has been inactive as the officers do not have time to work on the commission. They are now retiring from the commission. The commission will either be discontinued by the UIS next year or it can continue with new officers. I know of your interest in cave archeology and paleontology (and I'm sending this message to some caving lists and a few others people to reach people I don't know) and am writing to find people who would be interested in continuing the commission. The UIS has some simple requirements for its commissions. Mostly, each commission can be organized as its members want, as long as it supports the basic goals of the UIS to advance speleology. The current commission brought archeology and paleontology together because there was some overlap in their interests. New commission members may continue that, but they may also focus and create new commissions on only archeology and paleontology. The important thing is that the commission officers represent multiple countries and be willing to communicate internationally to support the commission's goals. If you are interested in working on the commission, please let me know. I will answer any questions you have and put you in contact with other interested people. For the commission to continue or be reorganized, at least a few of you need to be at the International Congress of Speleology next year in Brno, Czech Republic (http://www.speleo2013.com/) where the commission and its members will meet and report to the UIS General Assembly. If the commission is reorganized into a new commission or commissions, those commissions must be approved by the General Assembly, which only meets every four years at the international congresses. Cave archeology and paleontology are important topics and I hope to see this commission continue. If you want more information on the UIS and to see what the other commissions are doing, visit http://www.uis-speleo.org/. Please send this message to anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Vice President of Administration, International Union of Speleology Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
RE: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion
Reading this e-mail exchange and the perceived focus on too many science articles in the TC made me think that I didn’t recall any recent science articles. So I took a quick at the table of contents for the last nine issues through the start of 2010 and found a total of 60 articles listed. I found an abundance of reports on surveys, projects, and generally lots of “fun” (non-project/non-survey/non-sciency) caving Texas cavers are doing in Texas, with a small number of reports on caving in Mexico. I found reports on TCRs, TSA conventions, equipment reports, and news I expect most cavers would be interested in. I only found one article that could be classified as “science,” a nice 1-page report by Jerry Atkinson and Butch Fralia on bad air in Texas caves. Considering how many Texas caves have bad air, I’d also expect this would be of interest to most cavers who generally aren’t interested in science articles. So for at least for the past two years, the TC has had a nice mix of articles with no bias toward science. As I also skimmed through these articles, I was impressed with the great quality of caving, maps, reporting, and information provided by Texas cavers, and Mark’s skills at coaxing the articles and photos and providing them to us in a beautiful format. It has always been necessary for TC editors to arm-twist articles from cavers. And there are always cycles where minimal twisting is needed and times like now where tons of pressure produces little result. I deeply appreciate Mark’s efforts and those of past editors. It is not an easy job. In hopes that it helps Mark at least a little, here are two thoughts that might get some of you to send in material. 1) If you are organizing a trip or project, the cave owner or manager may want a trip report. Sometimes they don’t ask for one, but to maintain access to the cave many cavers will often send an occasional trip report or summary of trips. If you do this, and the owner doesn’t object, send a copy of the TC. 2) If you a new caver and think us old timers aren’t interested in what you’re doing, you’re wrong. When I started caving, I had a tough time getting on trips and the attention of some of the big-time cavers. I soon discovered that after I started sending reports to the TC, I was suddenly welcomed by many cavers and onto trips and projects. I’ve seen this happen over and over with many other cavers since then. Publishing articles in the TC shows people what you’re doing, that you in fact know what you’re doing as a skilled and responsible caver, and increases their confidence and desire to spend time with you and to invite you on trips. It doesn’t happen overnight, but it does start to happen after a few articles. Again, my thanks to Mark for his excellent work on the TC. George From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 05:59 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Mimi Jasek Subject: [Texascavers] Past, Present, and Future of THE TEXAS CAVER - A Discussion Most of y’all know Mimi and James Jasek, a couple of long time and distinguished cavers in the state, who I have grown to know over the last few years and whose opinions I highly respect. In answer to my pleading for submissions to the TC and only being greeted by crickets chirping from the masses, an interesting conversation between Mimi Jasek and I began and I would like to share her thoughts and insights into the past, present, and future (demise?) of The TEXAS CAVER. My responses are in BOLD TYPE. Mark, I have noticed that caving publications these days are so scientifically oriented that normal sport cavers are probably scared off. Other cavers like myself, Jim, and so many others I know or have known are not scientists. We are sport cavers. We cave for the joy and fun and love of this unusual activity, and the beauty we get to see in the pursuit of our passion. We cave, we map, we take pictures. Agreed, as am I and my kids. We go for the fun and camaraderie of it and for the chance to explore a new, alien world. It may not be virgin cave, but, if we haven't been there, it's virgin to us! What we don't do is send in the simple and fun trip reports that our caving would produce, probably so as not to place ourselves as objects of criticism from those who have elevated this activity into such lofty scientific and expedition type reporting that our efforts would be ridiculed! Have you read the old TCs from the 70s etc? How fun were those trip reports and novice articles? Didn't you read on cavetex how that one Aggie caver's wild and rambling report got slammed? Agree again and, yes, I have read them. They are a lot of fun and I enjoy the irreverent attitude in a lot of the articles. I also see how, even back then, there was complaining about no inputs from anyone and the state of the TSA! I used to
RE: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: Proclamation
Diana, I appreciate the kind thought and NCKRI is happy to accept donations of historical significance, but the Southwestern Region is the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and so the NSS is the more appropriate home for the proclamation. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org -Original Message- From: Wm Shrewsbury [mailto:presid...@caves.org] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:30 To: 'Texas Cavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: Proclamation Stephen, Should you choose to send it to the NSS Museum Archives in Huntsville, we will gladly accept it as well as add it to our growing collection that will be digitized and viewable on our website. Once we have moved into the new building we plan to place an emphasis on archiving more regional areas of our caving history. Wm Shrewsbury NSS President presid...@caves.org -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:24 PM To: Stephen Fleming Cc: TX Caver list Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: Proclamation Why not donate it to NCKRI--they have a nice display area for such things. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Stephen Fleming wrote: There's one bit of unfinished business regarding the SWR 50th Anniversary. But, first, some background. This mostly is for the edification of those living in other states that get this message, but an occasional reminder to locals doesn't hurt. Most folks living in New Mexico know that it is the Land of Enchantment; after all, it's on the license plates. However, residents also know it as the Land of Mañana as things often happen on a timetable unrelated to schedules, needs or desires. In some cases, tomorrow never actually arrives. Thus it is with the above in mind that the following is, as Rod Serling (Twilight Zone guy for those unfamiliar) would say, offered for your consideration. On March 11, 2012, I made a request to the New Mexico Governor's office for a statewide proclamation recognizing the Southwestern Region's 50th Anniversary. Proclamations are at the discretion of the Governor and according to the website: Requests will be accepted no more than 6 months in advance and will not be issued more than 3 months in advance of the event. Four week notice is required to provide proclamations. Proclamations are requested online and there is no follow-up. It either happens or it doesn't. You will note that the date of my request was well within all the parameters listed above. As the date of the event approached, I eagerly checked the mail, hoping for a document. On Friday, May 25, the day before the event, the mailbox was empty. BUST ! Well, this morning I received an email from the Governor's office informing me the proclamation was being mailed today. Refer again to the top of this email for a refresher on mañana. Thus, the document will finally arrive approximately diez mañanas after it was desirable to receive it. But, it has/will come. Since some lists don't allow attachments, check the SWR website after a bit to view it. I've left it attached to this message in the event it goes through to some. Now, when it does arrive, what do we do with it? We should publicize it (the Ruidoso papers would probably print it, and perhaps send the PDF to cooperating agencies/organizations), but the question is for ultimate disposition. Since the SWR lacks a museum (Belski's garage is the closest thing to such a facility and it does not have regular visiting hours, nor a gallery or docents), I suggest we submit it to the NSS museum for archival purposes. However, it's up to the SWR officers to decide. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe
Re: [SWR] Proclamation
One point of clarification. I had written NCKRI is happy to accept donations of historical significance but I did not mean to imply that all donations would be displayed per Stephens comment below Veni has said NCKRI would take it and display it. Many museums have far more material in their archives than they could ever display. I hope NCKRI finds itself in that position someday. Such material is saved for research, special exhibits, and preservation for posterity and from destruction. Currently we are wrapping up our exhibit designs and expect to have them finished this summer. Well then also have price estimates for their fabrication and well start looking for the appropriate sums of money to build them. If NCKRI was given the proclamation, I would not expect to display it. Since we are the National Cave and Karst Research Institute, our exhibits will be nationally and somewhat internationally focused, not on New Mexico. That already gets a lot of play just down the road at Carlsbad Caverns. In any case, I want to be clear about NCKRIs plans so I dont unintentionally give the wrong impression on what we would do with the proclamation should the NSS not want it (unlikely since the NSS President has said he does) and/or the region decides to give it to NCKRI. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Fleming Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 11:44 To: Steve Peerman; Blake N. Jordan ; Kathy Peerman; NM Caver List Cc: Lynda James Sánchez; 'Aaron Stockton'; Ron; Pete Lindsley Subject: Re: [SWR] Proclamation Peerman's comments clearly lay out the root of the problem. One other thing before I continue. This discussion, like a number that occurred during the 50th planning, started out as a fairly inclusive conversation which devolved into a discussion among a small group of FSCSP participants about things that are not FSCSP issues and excluding the larger interested parties of the SWR. As I have noted before, not everything occurring at Fort Stanton is the exclusive purview of the FSCSP, or the SWR, or the state monument or the BLM. Their interests often intersect but often do not. This is a case where the discussion ought to be (and is returning via this note going to the list) among the SWR membership. So, the discussion of the resting place of awards and memorabilia needs to involve the SWR when the artifacts are related to the organization. That is not happening at the moment. So, the point of this is the next time you want to discuss this topic, send it to the SWR list so everyone can see it. In this instance, I have added the two other SWR officers who were not party to the earlier rounds on this. Okay, now I will summarize some of the comments I've received since posting the proclamation (some were to the list, some to me only). I think all interested members should have a voice. That probably would mean a large number would agree with the idea of keeping it in NM, but those wanting such also should provide feasible and suitable alternatives as to where and how to display it, not just 'keep it in the state'. The suggestions so far are these: NSS NCKRI New Mexico Bureau of Geology and Mineral Resources museum, on the campus of New Mexico Tech Carlsbad Caverns Visitor Center Ft Stanton bunk house BLM refurbished headquarters on the quad NCA/FSCave Room of the Fort Stanton Museum As Peerman notes, the SWR membership and interests are far broader than Fort Stanton and the FSCSP. The FSCSP represents a fraction of NM cavers and most of them are SWR members. It is a subset of caving in NM, nothing more. The SWR just happened to be formed at Fort Stanton in 1962 and has no other connotation relative to the cave and the area than that. Some comments on the above suggestions. First, none of the locations is even close to ideal, but some are better than others. Veni has said NCKRI would take it and display it, but thinks it more appropriate for the NSS to have it due to organizational alignments. I agree with George's view, though I'm not opposed to it going to NCKRI. Plus, it's a long way out of the mainstream for most to go see it. The only location I am adamantly opposed to is letting any unit of the NPS touch it. The NPS has done nothing with or for the SWR compared to other agencies. That said, I also would not give it to BLM or any other governmental entity. It is not a BLM award, and putting it in the BLM office at Stanton is tantamount to it disappearing as access is and will be extremely limited. On that point, access will always be an issue since no location is convenient to even a small majority of folks that might be interested in seeing
[Texascavers] The 16th International Congress of Speleology_2nd circular
Dear Friends, Im happy to send you the message below announcing the release of the 2nd Circular for the 16th International Congress of Speleology (ICS). It is available for download at http://www.speleo2013.com/page/show/circulars and contains a lot of important details about the ICS, including its accommodations, venues, and many fantastic trips to choose from. Registration begins on 1 August 2013. This event happens only once every four years and offers the best and newest discoveries in cave and karst exploration, science, education, management, and art, presented by the leading experts from around the world. I visited the ICS site last year and am in close contact with the ICS team. The facilities are excellent and the team is highly skilled and dedicated. I believe they will give us the best ICS ever! George Veni Chairman of the previous ICS Vice President of Administration, International Union of Speleology Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute of the USA *Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org - Dear Colleagues, Dear Caving Friends, I am pleased to present you the 2nd Circular of 16th International Congress of Speleology. This World´s premier speleological event will be held within 14 months from now and, hopefully, it will become the greatest international speleo-event ever. In the 2nd Circular you can find the most important information about the Congress, especially about the pre- and post-Congress excursions and field trips. More detailed information about the Congress program, all important deadlines, other announcements and specifications will be progressively published on the Congress website www.speleo2013.com Also, other language versions of the 2nd Circular (French, Spanish, German) will be published soon! My cordial invitation to all to attend the Congress, and sincere thanks to all who help us with the 2nd Circular! Zdenek Motycka 16th ICS Organizing Committee Chairman i...@speleo2013.com
RE: [Texascavers] The 16th International Congress of Speleology_2nd circular
There is a typo in my message below. Registration begins on 1 August 2012, not 2013! George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 14:54 To: New Mexico Cavers; 'Texas Cavers' Subject: [Texascavers] The 16th International Congress of Speleology_2nd circular Dear Friends, Im happy to send you the message below announcing the release of the 2nd Circular for the 16th International Congress of Speleology (ICS). It is available for download at http://www.speleo2013.com/page/show/circulars and contains a lot of important details about the ICS, including its accommodations, venues, and many fantastic trips to choose from. Registration begins on 1 August 2013. This event happens only once every four years and offers the best and newest discoveries in cave and karst exploration, science, education, management, and art, presented by the leading experts from around the world. I visited the ICS site last year and am in close contact with the ICS team. The facilities are excellent and the team is highly skilled and dedicated. I believe they will give us the best ICS ever! George Veni Chairman of the previous ICS Vice President of Administration, International Union of Speleology Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute of the USA *Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org - Dear Colleagues, Dear Caving Friends, I am pleased to present you the 2nd Circular of 16th International Congress of Speleology. This World´s premier speleological event will be held within 14 months from now and, hopefully, it will become the greatest international speleo-event ever. In the 2nd Circular you can find the most important information about the Congress, especially about the pre- and post-Congress excursions and field trips. More detailed information about the Congress program, all important deadlines, other announcements and specifications will be progressively published on the Congress website www.speleo2013.com Also, other language versions of the 2nd Circular (French, Spanish, German) will be published soon! My cordial invitation to all to attend the Congress, and sincere thanks to all who help us with the 2nd Circular! Zdenek Motycka 16th ICS Organizing Committee Chairman i...@speleo2013.com
RE: [Texascavers] The 16th International Congress of Speleology_2nd circular
This is not my day. The original message from the ICS Chairman included the 2nd Circular. I didnt want to blindly forward that moderately large file to a large e-list so I referred people to the website. However, I didnt look closely enough at the website. Only the 1st Circular is posted, not the 2nd. Im now checking in with the organizers to find out when the 2nd Circular will be posted. I expect it will be soon. If any of you want it now, send me a note off-list and Ill e-mail it to you. The file is 3.8 Mb in size. My apologies, George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 15:05 To: 'New Mexico Cavers'; 'Texas Cavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The 16th International Congress of Speleology_2nd circular There is a typo in my message below. Registration begins on 1 August 2012, not 2013! George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: George Veni [mailto:gv...@nckri.org] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 14:54 To: New Mexico Cavers; 'Texas Cavers' Subject: [Texascavers] The 16th International Congress of Speleology_2nd circular Dear Friends, Im happy to send you the message below announcing the release of the 2nd Circular for the 16th International Congress of Speleology (ICS). It is available for download at http://www.speleo2013.com/page/show/circulars and contains a lot of important details about the ICS, including its accommodations, venues, and many fantastic trips to choose from. Registration begins on 1 August 2013. This event happens only once every four years and offers the best and newest discoveries in cave and karst exploration, science, education, management, and art, presented by the leading experts from around the world. I visited the ICS site last year and am in close contact with the ICS team. The facilities are excellent and the team is highly skilled and dedicated. I believe they will give us the best ICS ever! George Veni Chairman of the previous ICS Vice President of Administration, International Union of Speleology Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute of the USA *Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org - Dear Colleagues, Dear Caving Friends, I am pleased to present you the 2nd Circular of 16th International Congress of Speleology. This World´s premier speleological event will be held within 14 months from now and, hopefully, it will become the greatest international speleo-event ever. In the 2nd Circular you can find the most important information about the Congress, especially about the pre- and post-Congress excursions and field trips. More detailed information about the Congress program, all important deadlines, other announcements and specifications will be progressively published on the Congress website www.speleo2013.com Also, other language versions of the 2nd Circular (French, Spanish, German) will be published soon! My cordial invitation to all to attend the Congress, and sincere thanks to all who help us with the 2nd Circular! Zdenek Motycka 16th ICS Organizing Committee Chairman i...@speleo2013.com
[Texascavers] ICS update and Face Book
The second circular for next year's International Congress of Speleology is now posted. I was a little too fast in announcing it yesterday. You can find and download it at http://www.speleo2013.com/page/show/circulars For those of you who enjoy Face Book, the International Union of Speleology has just launched a Face Book site. How recently do I mean by just launched? Only seven people are signed up so far. I just got word of it a few minutes ago. If you are interested, check out: http://www.facebook.com/groups/303270303088276/ George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org
[SWR] Geological Society of America Convention: abstracts due in two weeks!
Dear Friends, The next Geological Society of America Convention will be held this year in Charlotte, North Carolina on 4-7 November. The call for abstracts has gone out. The deadline for submissions is only two weeks away: 14 August. Six sessions on caves and karst are offered this year, plus one specifically requesting cave and karst papers within its broader topic. Given the convention's location, four of the sessions are focused on eogenetic karst settings. Several related sessions that would be excellent venues for karst papers are also being offered on topics that include biology, archeology, and hydrogeology. For details: http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2012/sessions/topical.asp. The first three of the seven cave and karst sessions listed below are sponsored or co-sponsored by the National Cave and Karst Research Institute: T18. The Evolution of Karst Landscapes through Time in Response to Changing Hydrologic, Geomorphic, and Tectonic Conditions GSA Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division; GSA Hydrogeology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute Cory W. Blackeagle How do the characteristics of karst terrain change in response to changes in hydrology, geomorphology, and tectonism? How are these changes reflected in the landscape and hydrogeology? Recent advances in methodology will also be highlighted. T92. Eogenetic Karst Aquifers: Water Resources and Water Quality GSA Hydrogeology Division; GSA Environmental and Engineering Geology Division; National Cave and Karst Research Institute Lewis A. Land, Lee J. Florea Eogenetic karst aquifers in coastal areas are particularly vulnerable to natural and anthropogenic contamination. Papers are welcome on water resource and water quality issues in such aquifers, as well as methods used to characterize and remediate them. T107. Comparisons of Flow and Chemistry in Eogenetic and Telogenetic Karst Aquifers GSA Hydrogeology Division; Karst Waters Institute; National Cave and Karst Research Institute Jason Gulley, Corinne Wong This session seeks to understand how differences in porosity between eogenetic (primary matrix porosity) and telogenetic (fractured matrix porosity) karst systems influence the hydrological and geochemical processes in karst aquifers, including cave formation. T49. Geology in the National Forests and Grasslands-Stewardship, Education, and Research GSA Hydrogeology Division; GSA Geology and Society Division; USDA Forest Service Christopher P. Carlson, Michael A. Crump This session will explore aspects of the geological sciences related to the National Forests and Grasslands. Topics include paleontology, geomorphology, hydrogeology, geoecology, natural-hazard mitigation, cave and karst resources, and interpretive and recreational geology. T95. Biscayne Aquifer GSA Hydrogeology Division; GSA Geophysics Division Michael C. Sukop, Dean Whitman, Virginia Walsh, Joseph D. Hughes, Jayantha Obeysekera, Jefferson B. Giddings We encourage presentations dealing with all aspects of the geology, physics, chemistry, hydrogeology, geophysics, simulation, protection, and management of the Biscayne Aquifer and its role in the water supply and ecology of southeast Florida. T155. The Heart of an Explorer: A Tribute to Ronald Greeley GSA Planetary Geology Division David A. Williams Ronald Greeley, a leader in planetary geology, passed away in October 2011. In tribute to Ron's memory, we are seeking presentations to discuss recent results from the field or technique or missions, in which Ron participated. [Ron pioneered the field of interplanetary cave research.] T159. Surf's Up: New Insights on the Geology, Karst, and Paleontology of Carbonate Systems of the Bahama Archipelago GSA Hydrogeology Division; Eastern Section SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology); Karst Waters Institute; Paleontological Society H. Allen Curran, John E. Mylroie Presentations demonstrating new dimensions of carbonates research within the Bahama Archipelago (including Turks and Caicos) are encouraged. Emphasis on shallow-marine sedimentology and emergent island geology, karst, paleontology, geobiology, and geochemistry, with closely related topics will be considered. Feel free to distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Pit in Magdalena
It is definitely a subsidence/collapse and probably triggered by the rain. That is common with collapses. But collapses into mines and caves look pretty much the same. The absence of limestone and other typical cave-forming rocks in the area strongly suggests this is an old mine; it is probably either a dome or a long-forgotten covered shaft entrance that caved in. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Linda Starr Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 13:14 To: Lee H. Skinner Cc: SWR Mailing List Subject: Re: [SWR] Pit in Magdalena The hole doesn't seem like a mine, or it wouldn't have suddenly opened up in the Pino's backyard. It sounds like ground subsidence (especially after a rain storm), like what was happening in Carlsbad. Get Lewis Land and NM Tech grotto to check it out. I'm curious to know who the NM Tech geologists were. Linda Starr On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote: Does anyone know about this? http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2698021.shtml?cat=648 Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
