Re: [Texascavers] Related to reddit web service

[Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers]

https://www.reddit.com/r/caving/


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:17 PM Charles Loving via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> What the hell is redit?
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> From David Locklear
>>
>> I decided to tinker with reddit today for the first time.   My quest to
>> teach myself Linux has stagnated, and it appears there are quite a few
>> Linux nerds on reddit, that might can maybe point me in the right
>> direction.
>>
>> So while on reddit, I looked around and joined 2 of the caving pages:
>>  r/caving and r/Speleology. Both of which have active post, but mostly
>> second-hand articles that re-direct to another web source.
>>
>> I did not see any Texas caving activity on reddit, although some Austin
>> caver appears to have experimented with it 2 years ago.
>>
>> If any of you are using reddit, what do you use it for ?
>>
>> My 2017 resolution to stay off the internet was a super epic failure.
>>
>> Seems unlikely I will succeed at that, or anything in 2018.
>>
>> My reddit handle is u/dlocklear01, but not sure what that means yet.
>>
>>
>> On a different note,
>>
>> The link below shows some icicles I made in the grass by leaving the
>> faucet dripping.
>> ( This was our first hard-freeze in almost 15 years in Arcola, Texas.
>>  Certainly the coldest. )
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yocvodg43vpoird/Icicles.jpg?dl=0
>>
>>
>> I got a question for you old-timers:
>>
>> I hit my elbow funny-bone very lightly last week.  I heard a odd
>> crunching sound.  But no immediate pain.   The pain I have been
>> experiencing is like the pain of a staph infection, but under the skin.  Is
>> this something that heals on its own ?  The pain has been consistent for 8
>> days.  But I do not see any sign of injury, nor feel any bumps under the
>> skin.
>>
>> As super clumsy as I am, I have never broken a bone, except stubbing my
>> toes really bad several times.
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to reddit web service

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

What the hell is redit?

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> From David Locklear
>
> I decided to tinker with reddit today for the first time.   My quest to
> teach myself Linux has stagnated, and it appears there are quite a few
> Linux nerds on reddit, that might can maybe point me in the right
> direction.
>
> So while on reddit, I looked around and joined 2 of the caving pages:
>  r/caving and r/Speleology. Both of which have active post, but mostly
> second-hand articles that re-direct to another web source.
>
> I did not see any Texas caving activity on reddit, although some Austin
> caver appears to have experimented with it 2 years ago.
>
> If any of you are using reddit, what do you use it for ?
>
> My 2017 resolution to stay off the internet was a super epic failure.
>
> Seems unlikely I will succeed at that, or anything in 2018.
>
> My reddit handle is u/dlocklear01, but not sure what that means yet.
>
>
> On a different note,
>
> The link below shows some icicles I made in the grass by leaving the
> faucet dripping.
> ( This was our first hard-freeze in almost 15 years in Arcola, Texas.
>  Certainly the coldest. )
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yocvodg43vpoird/Icicles.jpg?dl=0
>
>
> I got a question for you old-timers:
>
> I hit my elbow funny-bone very lightly last week.  I heard a odd crunching
> sound.  But no immediate pain.   The pain I have been experiencing is like
> the pain of a staph infection, but under the skin.  Is this something that
> heals on its own ?  The pain has been consistent for 8 days.  But I do not
> see any sign of injury, nor feel any bumps under the skin.
>
> As super clumsy as I am, I have never broken a bone, except stubbing my
> toes really bad several times.
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to reddit web service

[Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers]

I'm on reddit daily, but I stick with the technical subreddits, but two
that I do read are /r/linuxadmin and /r/linuxhelp that you might like.  I
also follow /r/caving but there's not a lot of activity there.


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> From David Locklear
>
> I decided to tinker with reddit today for the first time.   My quest to
> teach myself Linux has stagnated, and it appears there are quite a few
> Linux nerds on reddit, that might can maybe point me in the right
> direction.
>
> So while on reddit, I looked around and joined 2 of the caving pages:
>  r/caving and r/Speleology. Both of which have active post, but mostly
> second-hand articles that re-direct to another web source.
>
> I did not see any Texas caving activity on reddit, although some Austin
> caver appears to have experimented with it 2 years ago.
>
> If any of you are using reddit, what do you use it for ?
>
> My 2017 resolution to stay off the internet was a super epic failure.
>
> Seems unlikely I will succeed at that, or anything in 2018.
>
> My reddit handle is u/dlocklear01, but not sure what that means yet.
>
>
> On a different note,
>
> The link below shows some icicles I made in the grass by leaving the
> faucet dripping.
> ( This was our first hard-freeze in almost 15 years in Arcola, Texas.
>  Certainly the coldest. )
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yocvodg43vpoird/Icicles.jpg?dl=0
>
>
> I got a question for you old-timers:
>
> I hit my elbow funny-bone very lightly last week.  I heard a odd crunching
> sound.  But no immediate pain.   The pain I have been experiencing is like
> the pain of a staph infection, but under the skin.  Is this something that
> heals on its own ?  The pain has been consistent for 8 days.  But I do not
> see any sign of injury, nor feel any bumps under the skin.
>
> As super clumsy as I am, I have never broken a bone, except stubbing my
> toes really bad several times.
>
>
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[Texascavers] Related to reddit web service

[David via Texascavers]

>From David Locklear

I decided to tinker with reddit today for the first time.   My quest to
teach myself Linux has stagnated, and it appears there are quite a few
Linux nerds on reddit, that might can maybe point me in the right
direction.

So while on reddit, I looked around and joined 2 of the caving pages:
 r/caving and r/Speleology. Both of which have active post, but mostly
second-hand articles that re-direct to another web source.

I did not see any Texas caving activity on reddit, although some Austin
caver appears to have experimented with it 2 years ago.

If any of you are using reddit, what do you use it for ?

My 2017 resolution to stay off the internet was a super epic failure.

Seems unlikely I will succeed at that, or anything in 2018.

My reddit handle is u/dlocklear01, but not sure what that means yet.


On a different note,

The link below shows some icicles I made in the grass by leaving the faucet
dripping.
( This was our first hard-freeze in almost 15 years in Arcola, Texas.
 Certainly the coldest. )

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yocvodg43vpoird/Icicles.jpg?dl=0


I got a question for you old-timers:

I hit my elbow funny-bone very lightly last week.  I heard a odd crunching
sound.  But no immediate pain.   The pain I have been experiencing is like
the pain of a staph infection, but under the skin.  Is this something that
heals on its own ?  The pain has been consistent for 8 days.  But I do not
see any sign of injury, nor feel any bumps under the skin.

As super clumsy as I am, I have never broken a bone, except stubbing my
toes really bad several times.
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Re: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

[Bill Stephens via Texascavers]

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 Sorry, thought Jerry meant this for me. Too many cavers named Bill.  Stephens, 
Stephenson, Steele, Stone, Storage, Mixon, Walters, Koershner, Balfour, Doughty 
...

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎17‎, ‎2018‎ ‎11‎:‎01‎:‎43‎ ‎AM, Bill Stephens 
via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:  
 
  Jerry,
Please remind me whet this is about? Sorry, but I have been travelling a lot, 
doing AAPG shit, selling deals, playing hard, recovering form various surgeries 
(shoulder re-build, ACL, elbow and left eye), plus having grandchildren and 
other un-noteworthy stuff. In Texas all week, but call over the weekend, next 
week or email and I'll make time to get serious about Texas Gyp karst!
Cheers,Bill940.256.0614

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎17‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎52‎:‎50‎ ‎AM, Jerry via 
Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:  
 
 Thanks, Bill ! 

When would you be able to layout the GCSNA publication for the TSS ?  No hurry; 
just want to know your schedule. 

Thanks ! 

Jerry. 
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Sent: Tue, Jan 16, 2018 8:03 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/ijs/vol46/iss2/4/ -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

I believe GCSNA stands for “Government Canyon State Natural Area”, which is of 
course not in the gypsum karst of Texas.

Diana

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On Jan 17, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
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From: Bill Stephens <stephen...@yahoo.com<mailto:stephen...@yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst
Date: January 17, 2018 at 10:55:17 AM CST
To: Jerry via Texascavers 
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Jerry,

Please remind me whet this is about? Sorry, but I have been travelling a lot, 
doing AAPG shit, selling deals, playing hard, recovering form various surgeries 
(shoulder re-build, ACL, elbow and left eye), plus having grandchildren and 
other un-noteworthy stuff. In Texas all week, but call over the weekend, next 
week or email and I'll make time to get serious about Texas Gyp karst!

Cheers,
Bill
940.256.0614

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎17‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎52‎:‎50‎ ‎AM, Jerry via 
Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> 
wrote:


Thanks, Bill !

When would you be able to layout the GCSNA publication for the TSS ?  No hurry; 
just want to know your schedule.

Thanks !

Jerry.

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Subject: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/ijs/vol46/iss2/4/ -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

[Bill Stephens via Texascavers]

--- Begin Message ---
 Jerry,
Please remind me whet this is about? Sorry, but I have been travelling a lot, 
doing AAPG shit, selling deals, playing hard, recovering form various surgeries 
(shoulder re-build, ACL, elbow and left eye), plus having grandchildren and 
other un-noteworthy stuff. In Texas all week, but call over the weekend, next 
week or email and I'll make time to get serious about Texas Gyp karst!
Cheers,Bill940.256.0614

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎17‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎52‎:‎50‎ ‎AM, Jerry via 
Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:  
 
 Thanks, Bill ! 

When would you be able to layout the GCSNA publication for the TSS ?  No hurry; 
just want to know your schedule. 

Thanks ! 

Jerry. 
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Subject: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/ijs/vol46/iss2/4/ -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

[Jerry via Texascavers]

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Thanks, Bill ! 

When would you be able to layout the GCSNA publication for the TSS ?  No hurry; 
just want to know your schedule. 

Thanks ! 

Jerry.
 

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http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/ijs/vol46/iss2/4/ -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/ijs/vol46/iss2/4/ -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Sac Actun and Dos Ojos connected

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

"Dry" cavers have considered Sac Actun and Dos Ojos to have been connected for 
a few years now. The connection was by way of a dry segment, which diving 
purists might not have counted. According to Jim Coke (QRSS), this new 
connection is an underwater one, so now everyone agrees that they're connected. 
And the connected length is 347 km! 263 km was just the Sac Actun side.

Here's another link to the new connection: 
<https://www.riviera-maya-news.com/largest-flooded-cave-system-world-discovered-tulum/2018.html>.

Mark Minton
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On Tue, 16 Jan, 2018 at 12:29 PM, gpassmore--- via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: gpassmore@mac.comApparently a system length of 263 kilometers is nw 
official based on the January 10th connection of Sac Actun and Dos Ojos.  Maybe 
this is already well known to many of you cavers, but it was news to me.  :-) 


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[Texascavers] Sac Actun and Dos Ojos connected

[gpassmore--- via Texascavers]

Apparently a system length of 263 kilometers is nw official based on the 
January 10th connection of Sac Actun and Dos Ojos.  Maybe this is already well 
known to many of you cavers, but it was news to me.  :-) 

Reference https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/underwater-cave-is-worlds-biggest/ 




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Re: [Texascavers] Mystery Caver #6

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Jack Stellmack? -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Resend magic link trick to David

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Hit delete now! 


https://www.facebook.com/italo.fernandes.566/videos/780958728762354/ 


The mystery caver has a degree (piled higher and deeper) in chemistry 

DirtDoc 

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas prisons

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They have also banned certified process servers from delivering any kind of
court document, ( at least in east Texas ).   This is so ludicrous.   It
takes the county constable weeks, what I should be able to do in 15
minutes.It is bad, because it often involves rush court orders
involving child-custody cases.   But it just hurts my pocketbook more than
that.


Below are some future campfire stories:

I was twice in a jail cell, once in a paddy-wagon, once kidnapped by rogue
undercover cops and taken to an interrogation cell and probably some other
stuff where I was unfortunately at the scene as a bystander.

First time, I was a businessman model wearing a tie posing with a
skinhead-biker in a jail cell ( for a lawyer ad/photo-shoot in The Houston
Yellowpages ). The attorney probably slipped the judge something of value
to use a closed abandoned jail.  The ad was apparently effective and they
later paid me fairly for doing it.
The ad ran in Houston for about 10 years.  I was afraid it would be on
billboards, as it was a good photo.

The second time around 1994 was helping my ex-girlfriend's teenage son get
transferred from Matamoros prison in Mexico to a USA prison in El Paso,
Texas.The dumb*** American teen spoke no Spanish and shared a tiny cell
with 9 Mexican men for about 2 years.
I had to go in his cell and check on him.   No telling what they would have
done to her, but they would have let her in after the security guards had
their way with her.  He slept in the concrete floor with no screen on
windows with just a tiny piece of foam and a cheezy blanket.  Part of the
unpleasantness was dealing with the judicial system which was so retarded.
Most of the clerks were male cops who could only type with one index finger
( on an old 1950's style typewriter )I know the teen got released from
El Paso about a year later, and allegedly lived a normal life.  I never saw
either of them again.

The paddywagon story I have told many times, lost in the Sierra Madres at
night.

But the story of the rogue undercover cops was a case of mistaken
identity.   They were looking for someone else - a private investigator for
some nefarious law firm that I did not work for, and I had nothing
whatsover to do with their issue.   It had something to do with their 9-11
stress level as it happened about 3 weeks after the attack, and all the
officers I was dealing with then were pumped up on 5-Day Energy drinks with
little sleep.

But my worst situation ever, was one time I served papers on a dirty cop
from the backseat of his patrol car the day before Christmas Eve.   He was
just being a real ***wipe, but never even bothered to cuff me.

I deal with officers a whole lot and I used to know about a hundred on
first name basis.  The one I was most friends with shot himself inside of
his patrol car.   I had just invited him out for tacos about 2 weeks
before.

I imagine the City of Houston Chief has a very vague idea who I am.   I
have emailed him a few times and sent him a Facebook message.  His
secretary is as tired of my emails as you all are, as I have emailed her
dozens of times.  She does help me once in a blue moon.

The FBI interviewed me at work around 1985, after a person walking on a
path was allegedly found stabbed in Yosemite Village.  There must have been
2,000 people just in that part of the park.  I do not recall every seeing
the story in the news.   But it happened again a few years later and they
allegedly caught that second perpetrator.   I have no idea if the cases
were related.

Sometime around 2000, I was stranded in a cheezy motel in Ciudad Victoria,
Mexico traveling by bus and decided to go for a walk after midnight to find
a taco.   That was a really bad idea, as there was not a soul on the
streets.   2 cops pulled up to me and interogated me in a dark area for
nearly an hour.   I was exhausted and never found a taco.   I think that
was a trip that I was coming back from Charles Fromen's beach-house in
Zihautanejo, Guerrero by bus.  The memories are all so blurry now.

I have had about six other similar unpleasant incidents with Mexican cops -
mostly the "transitos."  They all are bad.  And some have even been jailed
or worse in some cities.  I do not think Reynosa has had a municipal police
force for 5 years.


Just this week,

The State Dept. issued new travel warnings for Mexico which include the
town my daughter spent the week after Christmas without me.

I can probably dig thru my repressed memories and find other police
stories.I saw cops drag my 2nd grade teacher out of the classroom in
1972.  It was my first black teacher and she was female.  I just remember
she was yelling Ebonic curse-words at us in a mean tone that I had never
heard a teacher use before.   And I probably have a story about a relative
getting arrested, that I should keep stored very deep in repressed memories.

The A.S.S.( with me ) had an unpleasant police encounter in New Braunfels
on 1987 Spring Break. I think I 

[Texascavers] Another cheap LED head-lamp

[David via Texascavers]

The link below is a head-lamp that I just saw at an Academy Store.


https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018272812/smith-and-wesson-delta-force-hl-10-headlamp-led-with-3-aaa-batteries-aluminum-black

I would call it a good caving lamp for small kids.

The headpiece part is rugged, but the plastic hinge is possibly eventually
going to need to be epoxied in your favorite position.

It only has a spotlight beam, but seemed suitable for walking size passage.

This is probably more suited as a good hiking light.

If you find one on sale, then it is probably a good deal.

If an adult wants to use it as an auxilary side-mounted light, that might
work well with a little gerry-rigging.

David Locklear

P.S.

I should be able to donate a bottle of cheap wine to a future house-warming
party at the TSC.
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Re: [Texascavers] giving away books

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An interesting tid-bit, the Texas Caver is banned by the Texas Department
of Criminal Justice, Prison Division...

Too many articles about digging and back in the day we had articles about
the use of explosives for micro-shaving and what not.  They frowned on it
and asked us not to send anymore...

Joe

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <
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> Bill - I’d be happy to take all the books that are not claimed to Inside
> Books.  They *love* textbooks as well as everything else.  They provide
> books for prisoners in Texas.  Let me know if you’re interested and when I
> could come by and pick them up.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] giving away books

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Bill - I’d be happy to take all the books that are not claimed to Inside Books. 
 They *love* textbooks as well as everything else.  They provide books for 
prisoners in Texas.  Let me know if you’re interested and when I could come by 
and pick them up.

Nancy
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[Texascavers] giving away books

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

As a first step in getting out of the way of the TCMA and the TSS that have 
bought my house, I will have open house Thursday of this week (the 10th and 
11th) from 6:30 to 10:00 p.m. for friends to come by and pick out any among the 
many non-caving books in the living room. I have already removed as many of 
them as I can accommodate here at retirement home. The books are free for the 
taking, but an opportunity will be present to donate some money to the TCMA or 
the TSS if desired. The address of the house is 14045 North Green Hills Loop, 
Austin, Texas 78737 (actually in northern Hays County).

The main categories are cartoon books and mass-market science-fiction 
paperbacks, but there are also a lot of math and computer books, old college 
textbooks, etc., probably amounting to four or five hundred in all.

I have transportation there and back, so the event will actually occur, 
contrary to some earlier notes. Please send this on to the UT Grotto Fcebook 
group, too. -- Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] Plate-tectonics related

[David via Texascavers]

Could someone please confirm the new cooordinates for The Center of The
Caving Universe ??

30.155083,-97.980538

It appears they may have shifted slightly southwest
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[Texascavers] my books

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

Sean Vincent provided transportation for me last night to my house so people 
could come by and carry off non-caving books. About a dozen people did so.

So far I have no ride for tonight (Thursday), so the tentatively scheduled 
repeat open-house is cancelled. If you were counting on coming, you might phone 
this evening to double-check (512) 288-4991, or watch for later announcement 
here. 

Please post this info to the UT Grotto Facebook group, too. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Brown Bag - Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:30 A.M. to 12:30 P.M at EAA - Madagascar: The Eighty Continent by Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton

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Madagascar: The Eighth Continent

Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:30 A.M.

(Note - this is a change from our normal time of around noon)


Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton will present a talk titled "Madagascar: The 
Eighth Continent." The presentation will occur on Thursday, January 11, 2018 
from 11:30 A.M. to 12:30 P.M. in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also contact the 
EAA at 210.222.2204 or www.edwardsaquifer.org 
for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

Please join world travelers Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton as they present 
a program describing their recent trip to Madagascar. Known as the "Eighth 
Continent," Madagascar is the world's fourth largest island. Eighty-eight 
million years of isolation have resulted in an environment where ninety percent 
of the plant and animal species are endemic!

Madagascar features amazing lemurs, octopus trees, six species of baobab trees 
and the largest chameleons in the world. Surreal karst landscapes, deep 
canyons, lush montane rainforests, highland plateaus and spiny deserts are home 
to an abundance of wildlife and nineteen different tribes. Madagascar has great 
mineral wealth; however the average resident earns the equivalent of US $2.00 
per day.  Although deeply rooted in tradition, the Malagasy residents welcome 
visitors with warmth, humor and generosity.

Biography


Alan Montemayor and Cheryl Hamilton are retired and love to travel to remote 
and interesting places, including all 8 continents and 62 countries so far.  
They travel mostly independently, using guided tours only where necessary to 
gain access to interesting areas. Alan and Cheryl travel in a perpetual 
learning mode, examining the geology, ecology, energy consumption, history, 
food and culture of many different areas.





Rolling Food Pantry Initiative



I  (Geary Schindel) will be collecting donations of canned and dry goods for a 
"Rolling Food Pantry" my wife operates for her clients. Sue is a social worker 
and deals with home health care clients. All items will be given to families in 
need. Many are homebound, commonly elderly, and some of them are struggling to 
meet basic food needs. Donations help bridge the gap until other social 
programs can help. If you would like to donate a can or dry goods, I would be 
happy to accept them.


Thank you.

Geary

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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Donates $5000 to TSC

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In addition to the minor repairs On the Texas Speleological Center, I think we 
should consider if we want to put wood firing strips on the concrete walls for 
sheetrock. Foam insulation could be put between the strips. Sheetrocking the 
ceiling would not only make the space look finished, but is recommended for 
suppression of fire. If we don't do this before we fill the basement, it will 
never happen.   
 Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: 
> A big thank you to the Bexar Grotto for the generous donation of $5000 to the 
> new Texas Speleology Center!

The Bexar Grotto is also challenging other grottos around the state to 
contribute and try to meet or beat their contribution.

There have been a number of offers and requests over the past week to provide 
items or store materials at the new facility, and unfortunately we can’t 
accommodate those at this time. While we appreciate everyone’s enthusiasm, we 
still need to setup a management team for the property, help Bill Mixon sort 
through and remove his items, conduct some minor repairs on the property, 
determine the space needs for TSS and TCMA and figure out where everything 
goes, then establish a use plan for the property so that we can both meet the 
needs of cavers and provide a professional-type space for the Texas caving 
organizations.

Thank you!
Joe Mitchell
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[Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Donates $5000 to TSC

[Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers]

A big thank you to the Bexar Grotto for the generous donation of $5000 to the 
new Texas Speleology Center!

The Bexar Grotto is also challenging other grottos around the state to 
contribute and try to meet or beat their contribution.

There have been a number of offers and requests over the past week to provide 
items or store materials at the new facility, and unfortunately we can’t 
accommodate those at this time. While we appreciate everyone’s enthusiasm, we 
still need to setup a management team for the property, help Bill Mixon sort 
through and remove his items, conduct some minor repairs on the property, 
determine the space needs for TSS and TCMA and figure out where everything 
goes, then establish a use plan for the property so that we can both meet the 
needs of cavers and provide a professional-type space for the Texas caving 
organizations.

Thank you!
Joe Mitchell
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[Texascavers] Mixon open house for books

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Transportation for tomorrow (Wednesday) night has been volunteered, so it will 
definitely happen. Stay tuned about Thursday. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Australia Is So Hot That Bats Are 'Boiling'

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https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/01/australian-heat-wave-flying-fox-deaths-koala-spd/


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Australian ICS documents

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

Can someone give me PDFs (or access to them) of the program and abstracts and 
the proceedings of the International Congress in Australia last summer? I need 
to glean material from them for the coming AMCS Activities Newsletter 41. 
Whatever flaws held up release of these shouldn't affect what I  want to do. 
--Mixon

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[Texascavers] Cavers in Bertram ?

[David via Texascavers]

>From David Locklear

I am brainstorming a road-trip from Houston to Bertram and back.   Sometime
in the next 4 days.

Probably leaving from Brenham and going thru Georgetown

dlocklea...@gmail.com
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[Texascavers] cave-diving discovery

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

One of my favorite stories about the potential for cave-diving discoveries is 
the remipedes in an underwater cave in the Bahamas first seen by Jill Yager, 
who got to write a paper describing not only a new species, but a new genus, a 
new family, and a new class. She was a high-school biology teacher at the time. 
I asked her once why she skipped naming an order, but she didn't know. All 
living species are in the order Nectiopoda now. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Article about Tom Iliffe. -- another spin

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ALSO, people, look at the site it’s on  THE CONVERSATION is sponsored by 
universities and its job is to get articles on academic stuff out to the press. 
 their reach is enormous AND THEY HELP YOU DEVELOP YOUR ARTICLE.  So anyone 
interested in being a public intellectual should consider them.  Two colleagues 
i know have had great resonance for their stuff.  Tom’s article will be really 
widely disseminated — they watch for that, and push articles into the 
commercial news bureaus.  No money involved, but your stuff gets out in 
publicly accessible form.  Conservation people?  This is your chance

katie
On Jan 9, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

There's an online article about Tom Iliffe and his career as a cave-diving 
biologist at 
<https://theconversation.com/scientist-at-work-ive-dived-in-hundreds-of-underwater-caves-hunting-for-new-forms-of-life-88851>.

Mark Minton
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[Texascavers] Article about Tom Iliffe.

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There's an online article about Tom Iliffe and his career as a cave-diving 
biologist at 
.

Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] Open House

[David via Texascavers]

I looked the new TSC place up on Google Maps.

Is that the building down a gravel road.

What is with the fortress like house across the street ?

I would like to someday attend an open house at the TSC, but I would like
to also unload a car-load some of items there for any future yard sale.

Someone suggested to me it would be more efficient to just sell the junk on
Ebay someday, or at a flea-market, and then donate the money to the new
TSC.

One of the items, is a large plywood tool-cabinet that was given to me by
caver Jim McLane.  He kept his tools in it that he used to worked on his
speleo-vehicles ( diesel Scout II ) back in the 70's.  It is over 7 feet
tall, but skinnier than a large refrigerator.   Caver George Sanders nearly
got killed helping me move it out of Jim's garage.   Jim never mentioned
there was a ton of giant sheet-glass being supported by it.  Of course,
guess who got the blame and had to spend all day cleaning up broken glass ??

What I failed to consider during all that, was that I would end up spending
$ 200 to transport the items that Jim gave me to my storage unit and most
of the stuff if not all of it has little to no monetary value.

Jim passed away unexpectedly 3 months later, which just makes no sense to
me.  Something must have really freaked him out after his first heart
attack, because in his normal state of mind, he would have never let his
treasures fall into nefarious hands.

The cabinet is in one of the photos in the link below.


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kpg448osetdr5nh/AACX9lEiDGwkPy9F5__bqhjJa?dl=0

David Locklear
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[Texascavers] open house to give away _non-caving_ books

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

As a first step in getting out of the way of the TCMA and the TSS that have 
bought my house, I will have open houses Wednesday and Thursday of this week 
(the 10th and 11th) from 6:30 to 10:30 p.m. for friends to come by and pick out 
any among the many non-caving books in the living room. I have already removed 
as many of them as I can accommodate here at retirement home. The books are 
free for the taking, but an opportunity will be present to donate some money to 
the TCMA or the TSS if desired. The address of the house is 14045 North Green 
Hills Loop, Austin, Texas 78737 (actually in northern Hays County).

The main categories are cartoon books and mass-market science-fiction 
paperbacks, but there are also a lot of math and computer books, old college 
textbooks, etc., probably amounting to four or five hundred in all.

I will need rides to and from my house those nights.

Someone please post this to the UT Grotto Facebook pages, too.

Bill Mixon
4409 Gaines Ranch Loop
Austin, Texas 78735
(512)288-4991 

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Ken,


Note that I said "future".  Think miniaturization!   LiDARs already 
exist that can be carried by a walking caver.  Who knows what will be 
possible a couple of decades from now?



Lee


On 1/7/2018 6:28 PM, Ken Harrington wrote:
Lee, It would take very large passages as the laser beam that powers 
them would come from an aircraft flying above them.

Ken

Get Outlook for iOS 

*From:* swrcav...@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Lee H. Skinner 

*Sent:* Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:23:43 PM
*To:* New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers; Sandia Grotto
*Subject:* [SWR CAVERS] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones
If these can carry LiDAR, will it be the future of cave exploration? :-)

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/01/pentagon-seeks-laser-powered-bat-drones/144964/

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones

[Ken Harrington via Texascavers]

Lee, It would take very large passages as the laser beam that powers them would 
come from an aircraft flying above them.
Ken

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Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones

If these can carry LiDAR, will it be the future of cave exploration? :-)

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/01/pentagon-seeks-laser-powered-bat-drones/144964/

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[Texascavers] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

If these can carry LiDAR, will it be the future of cave exploration? :-)

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/01/pentagon-seeks-laser-powered-bat-drones/144964/

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Re: [Texascavers] Sort of Facebook related

[John Brooks via Texascavers]

Twitter seems to be well suited for letting people know that you are mentally 
stable and a genius. Beyond that - the format tends to reinforce an impression 
contrary to the aforementioned benefit.

Being none of the above - I avoid that medium of instant gratification.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 12:43 PM, David via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> I hope to stay off of Facebook in 2018.
> 
> So I was going thru my account and cleaning stuff.
> 
> I stumbled on to Tinker Bucksnort.
> 
> That was Jim McLane's secret page.  He has only been gone 2 years, but I just 
> could not hit the delete button.
> 
> As much as I hate Facebook, there are things it does that are wonderful.  I 
> like that it auto-reminisces for me by sending me a cherished photo that I 
> misplaced 7 years ago.  I like that I can find long lost cousins and old lost 
> friends.  I just now got a message from a girl that I wanted to marry in 
> 2004, and she is still single and even more mental. 
> 
> I just use Facebook postings to vent about crazy stuff in the news, but I do 
> message people when I want to contact them.  I just now tried to contact the 
> former owner of "Bremher Cave."
> 
> It does seem like a convenient way to say Happy New Year to acquaintances.
> 
> I am not feeling an vibes for Twitter, and I have stopped using all the other 
> social media platforms.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/dlocklear01
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[Texascavers] Sort of Facebook related

[David via Texascavers]

I hope to stay off of Facebook in 2018.

So I was going thru my account and cleaning stuff.

I stumbled on to Tinker Bucksnort.

That was Jim McLane's secret page.  He has only been gone 2 years, but I
just could not hit the delete button.

As much as I hate Facebook, there are things it does that are wonderful.  I
like that it auto-reminisces for me by sending me a cherished photo that I
misplaced 7 years ago.  I like that I can find long lost cousins and old
lost friends.  I just now got a message from a girl that I wanted to marry
in 2004, and she is still single and even more mental.

I just use Facebook postings to vent about crazy stuff in the news, but I
do message people when I want to contact them.  I just now tried to contact
the former owner of "Bremher Cave."

It does seem like a convenient way to say Happy New Year to acquaintances.

I am not feeling an vibes for Twitter, and I have stopped using all the
other social media platforms.

Cheers,

https://www.facebook.com/dlocklear01
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[Texascavers] Cave and karst news announcements from NCKRI

[George Veni via Texascavers]

Dear Friends,

Everyone at NCKRI hopes you had a wonderful holiday season and are now enjoying 
a great start to the New Year!

Following are news and announcements from NCKRI and some of our friends around 
the world. The full details are below.


·Caves and Karsts: Understanding, Conservation, and Geotourism-Register 
Soon!

·   Student Intern Positions Available: Montana, USA

·   8th Congress of the International Show Caves Association: Genga, Italy

·   18th International Congress of Speleology: Lyon, France

·   Fourth EuroSpeleo Newsletter, December 2017

·   New Book Available: Ice Caves

·   International Training Camp for Young Speleologists, Swabian Alb, 
Germany

·   List of Upcoming Cave and Karst Meetings

As usual, please contact the people and organizations listed below for more 
information and feel free to share this message with anyone who may be 
interested.

George

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Caves and Karsts: Understanding, Conservation, and Geotourism-Register Soon!

Don't forget to register soon for the unique conference, To Know and Share 
Caves and Karsts: Understanding, Conservation, and Geotourism. This conference 
will focus on discussions between scientists, territory managers, NGOs, and 
cave and karst specialists to share their experience and knowledge in cave and 
karst management. The primary objectives are to:



·   Evaluate current and future challenges in preserving and developing 
caves;

·   Highlight the necessity of interdisciplinarity for a better 
understanding and development of caves and karst; and

·   Present new methods for the conservation and development of caves and 
karst in a context of global climate change and local environmental, 
demographic, economic, and uncontrolled stresses.

The conference will occur on 6-9 March 2018, in Ardèche, southern France. For 
more information visit, https://dhuguet.wixsite.com/cavesymposium2018, where 
you now find the second circular with all of the latest details.

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Student Intern Positions Available: Montana, USA

BLM is hiring two Montana Conservation Corps (MCC) intern positions that will 
be working with the Custer Gallatin geocorps cave management specialist.  MCC 
are open to accepting applications now. They close sometime in January. You can 
apply by going to 
http://mtcorps.org/join/big-sky-watershed-corps-conservation-internships/conservation-intern-program.
 The contact for the MCC intern positions is Mandy Hedstrom at
ma...@mtcorps.org.
  If you have any other questions about the BLM positions, please contact BLM's 
Jenny Alexander via email  at jalexan...@blm.gov or 
by phone at 406-896-5248.

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8th Congress of the International Show Caves Association: Genga, Italy

The International Show Caves Association will hold its next congress on 12-18 
October 2018 in Genga, Italy, home of the world famous Frassasi Caves. The 
congress will include a pre-congress excursion on 9-12 October and a 
post-congress excursion on 18-21 October. More information will be posted at 
http://www.i-s-c-a.com/event/68-8th-isca-congress, or you can contact the 
congress organizers at i...@comitelpartners.it 
or by calling +39-0736-343901.

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18th International Congress of Speleology: Lyon, France

The website and first information on the 18th International Congress of 
Speleology has been posted at http://uis2021.speleos.fr/. Registration will 
open in early 2018. Bookmark this website to not miss this special congress in 
the middle of one of the world's most spectacular caving regions.

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Fourth EuroSpeleo Newsletter, December 2017



It is with great pleasure that the European Speleological Federation (FSE) 
publishes its fourth EuroSpeleo Newsletter. This Newsletter will be exclusively 
available in electronic form and it will be distributed through the FSE mailing 
lists, website and Facebook page. It will be edited by the FSE Bureau and will 
inform member countries and individual speleologists about important events 
nationally and internationally as well as new developments and the initiatives 
of the FSE and its member countries. This Newsletter will be released on an 
occasional basis.



Please spread this newsletter on the broadest way possible among caving clubs 
and individual speleologists and all those interested.

You can download the English version of the December 2017 Newsletter here:

http://www.eurospeleo.eu/images/stories/docs/europeleo-news/EuroSpeleo%20Newsletter%20Dec%202017%20EN.pdf



Vous pouvez télecharger la version Française du Bulletin d"Information de 
décembre 2017 ici:

http://www.eurospeleo.eu/images/stories/docs/europeleo-news/EuroSpeleo%20Newsletter%20Dec%202017%20FR.pdf



With cordial regards,

The FSE Bureau, 

[Texascavers] Caver music

[David via Texascavers]

For those of you that missed the incredible caver band GFB perform NYE, the
video below is a comparison of how awesome it was:

  https://youtu.be/sGOUuWBFca8

Imagine that sound, but in a basement like garage with 20 people, mostly
semi-old cavers and a few old-timers, and going till 1 in the morning.
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[Texascavers] LED light - long term review

[David via Texascavers]

I think I mentioned about 2 years ago that I had purchased the light in the
link below.

It is still going strong and really comes in handy.  I highly recommend it.

https://www.ebay.com/p/Energizer-Water-Resistant-Adjustable-Pivot-115-Lumens-Floating-LED-Light/2136834966

Yesterday, I dropped it 6 feet vertically on to concrete and it survived.

I suspect adding a little duct-tape would improve its durability.

I will be donating this light at the next function that I attend that has a
consignment sale or door prize award.

David Locklear



P.S.

I would like to thank all the cavers that cheered me up over the past 3
weeks.  I was bummed out about both my Sierra Madre trips being cancelled
after purchasing Mexican vehicle insurance and the effort to get a Mexican
vehicle permit, and that my daughter spent most of the holidays without me
and NYE in Mexico.  But I will get over it.

Work is starting to trickle in, in spurts.   I moved out again today, and
my Sequoia is stuffed full of all the things I normally need.  Hopefully, I
can find a cheap clean weekly motel.


Tomorrow, marks the year anniversary since I felt the need to perform full
CPR on my 12 year old daughter.  I guess it is just one of those memories a
person has to store in a repressed memory bank, and not to dwell on it.   I
thought that she was healthy before the incident, but for the past 12
months, she has been super obsessed with being lazy, in such an extreme way
that it concerns me.  I certainly could not take her caving, and probably
not on any easy steep hike, like to the top of Enchanted Rock, or even to
Enchanted Rock Cave.  But she is finally starting to like to eat some
healthy foods.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xx9etqs9fmkvcjx/1129201713280-1.jpg?dl=0

I got her a nice $ 65 toy for Christmas, and she looked at me with that
teenager WTF look, "Really Daddy, a doll??"
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Re: [Texascavers] speaking of Mars ...

[John Brooks via Texascavers]

Maybe Logan wasn’t really living in Belize.

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> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:25 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Logan, exactly how do you know what a Martian hand looks like?
> 
> 
> --Don
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow!  Natural or made by Martians? Looks like an obvious handprint on the 
>> right end!
>> 
>>> On 1/3/2018 11:02 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Mixon
>>> 
>>> A chicken is the egg's way of creating another egg.
>>> 
>>> You may "reply" to the address this message
>>> (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
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Re: [Texascavers] speaking of Mars ...

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Logan, exactly how do you know what a Martian hand looks like?


--Don

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow!  Natural or made by Martians? Looks like an obvious handprint on the 
> right end!
> 
>> On 1/3/2018 11:02 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> --Mixon
>> 
>> A chicken is the egg's way of creating another egg.
>> 
>> You may "reply" to the address this message
>> (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
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>> AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or  edi...@mexicancaves.org
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[Texascavers] Potential cave lead on Mars

[David via Texascavers]

The attached photos shows a potential talus cave on Mars.

The dark abyss is allegedly at least 1/4 inch in diameter.   But if you
look carefully at the grains of sand something is blowing or sucking them.
 Right ?

If you see the sagging-p*nis like formation, I feel a caver should name
this lead as  Lead.  Fill in the name of whoever you nominate.
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[Texascavers] Soda-straws on Mars ?

[David via Texascavers]

The crystal in the attached photo is allegedly 1/4 inch long and allegedly
formed on the surface of Mars.

Dr. Halliday would call this a speleothem because it likely formed by a
similar process - gravity, capillary-pressure, mineralization from solid to
liquid back to solid, etc..
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Re: [Texascavers] Bat in the bedroom

[William R. (Bill) Elliott via Texascavers]

I've had a big brown in my house here in Missouri twice. They can come down the 
chimney or even thru the clothes drier exhaust. Keep warm!

William R. (Bill) Elliott
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On Jan 3, 2018, at 10:06 PM, John Kerr via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

Thanks for the info. My brother, who lives locally (and wore gloves), confirmed 
the presence of lots of teeth being displayed by a very unhappy bat as they 
released it unharmed outside. 

Thanks again,
John Kerr

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> On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:47 PM, William R. (Bill) Elliott via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> It could be a big brown bat. They move around during cold snaps and they like 
> houses. Handle only with thick gloves. They bite!
> 
> William R. (Bill) Elliott
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:29 PM, John Kerr via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Just got a frantic call from my mother that a bat is flying around her 
> bedroom. They've had record cold temps this week (Indianapolis). Shouldn't 
> bats be hibernating right now? Any advise? 
> 
> Thanks,
> John Kerr
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Texascavers] Bat in the bedroom

[John Kerr via Texascavers]

Thanks for the info. My brother, who lives locally (and wore gloves), confirmed 
the presence of lots of teeth being displayed by a very unhappy bat as they 
released it unharmed outside. 

Thanks again,
John Kerr

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:47 PM, William R. (Bill) Elliott via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> It could be a big brown bat. They move around during cold snaps and they like 
> houses. Handle only with thick gloves. They bite!
> 
> William R. (Bill) Elliott
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:29 PM, John Kerr via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Just got a frantic call from my mother that a bat is flying around her 
> bedroom. They've had record cold temps this week (Indianapolis). Shouldn't 
> bats be hibernating right now? Any advise? 
> 
> Thanks,
> John Kerr
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Texascavers] Bat in the bedroom

[William R. (Bill) Elliott via Texascavers]

John,

It could be a big brown bat. They move around during cold snaps and they like 
houses. Handle only with thick gloves. They bite!

William R. (Bill) Elliott
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On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:29 PM, John Kerr via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

Just got a frantic call from my mother that a bat is flying around her bedroom. 
They've had record cold temps this week (Indianapolis). Shouldn't bats be 
hibernating right now? Any advise? 

Thanks,
John Kerr

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[Texascavers] Bat in the bedroom

[John Kerr via Texascavers]

Just got a frantic call from my mother that a bat is flying around her bedroom. 
They've had record cold temps this week (Indianapolis). Shouldn't bats be 
hibernating right now? Any advise? 

Thanks,
John Kerr

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Re: [Texascavers] Frozen Gorman Falls

[David via Texascavers]

I motion that Heather's post be named 2nd best post in Cavetex history.

Anybody second the motion ?
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[Texascavers] 2018 Deep & Punkin Trip Leaders

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

It’s now a new year and I am compelled to remind D Trip Leaders MUST be 
current TCMA members as required by the management plan. If you are planning to 
lead an upcoming trip or planning for a future trip it would be good to check 
your membership status. Thanks!!


--Don



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Re: [Texascavers] Gorman Falls at Colorado Bend State Park

[Katherine Arens via Texascavers]

WOW!  Thanks for sharing, Heather & co.

On Jan 3, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

Since it only happens very occasionally, we figured we hike down to Gorman 
Falls yesterday morning (1/2/18) while it was snowing, and check out the frozen 
state of the waterfall. I know lots of y'all have attended the TSA's Colorado 
Bend State Park survey project, so you have a special spot in your heart for 
Gorman Falls. No pictures of caves, but a spectacular view of what it looks 
like when it freezes over.

Note, at the end of the video, the camera isn't steady anymore.. we were too 
cold to stand still!

https://www.facebook.com/nicholsoutdooradventures/videos/745146655680269/


/tucek


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[Texascavers] Gorman Falls at Colorado Bend State Park

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

Since it only happens very occasionally, we figured we hike down to Gorman
Falls yesterday morning (1/2/18) while it was snowing, and check out the
frozen state of the waterfall. I know lots of y'all have attended the TSA's
Colorado Bend State Park survey project, so you have a special spot in your
heart for Gorman Falls. No pictures of caves, but a spectacular view of
what it looks like when it freezes over.

Note, at the end of the video, the camera isn't steady anymore.. we were
too cold to stand still!

https://www.facebook.com/nicholsoutdooradventures/videos/745146655680269/


/tucek


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[Texascavers] Brief exposure to UV-light kills Pseudogymnoascus destructans

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Some new WNS news:


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180102153209.htm


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Change of Location for 2018 TSA Winter Business Meeting

[Robert B via Texascavers]

In an effort to be considerate to the TSA Officers and members driving from
Austin, the location of the 2018 TSA Winter Business Meeting has been moved
from Government Canyon SNA to the pavilion at Cave Without A Name. (325
Kreutzberg Rd, Boerne, TX 78006)

The Date and Time of the meeting = Sunday January 7th starting at 10:00AM

If you have any ideas or concerns about the TSA that you would like
addressed but can't make the meeting, please let one of the officers know.

Rob Bisset - chair...@cavetexas.org
Amy Morton - vicechair...@cavetexas.org
Rachel Reddig - treasu...@cavetexas.org
Elizabeth Herren - secret...@cavetexas.org
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Re: [Texascavers] NYE photos

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

So: Bockbeer what was all that? It made no sense at all. Perhaps we need
Brutus to join you in the forum to see what will become of Rome?


On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:44 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Here are some random photos from NYE. There is at least 4 T3xas cavers in
> the photos
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/d4wNtTyw2L6GIRvA2
>
> I am purposely being vague here, as I do not know if the people in these
> photos want the photos published.
>
> But somebody else was also taking photos and videos.
>
> Meaning, these photos are not approved by the host or GFB, etc. and should
> be erased upon viewing.
>
> I guess you have to have a Google account to view them ?
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[Texascavers] NYE photos

[David via Texascavers]

Here are some random photos from NYE. There is at least 4 T3xas cavers in
the photos

https://photos.app.goo.gl/d4wNtTyw2L6GIRvA2

I am purposely being vague here, as I do not know if the people in these
photos want the photos published.

But somebody else was also taking photos and videos.

Meaning, these photos are not approved by the host or GFB, etc. and should
be erased upon viewing.

I guess you have to have a Google account to view them ?
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[Texascavers] A great party

[David via Texascavers]

I assume that all the cavers that wanted to party on NYE found a party
somewhere.



I stumbled onto a party of cavers on the far east side of Austin.  I was
not formally invited, but I was told of the party at the last minute by
someone who could have chosen not to tell me had they felt inclined to do
so.  So I felt the least that I could do, was to show up for a few minutes
and be considerate.

The food and beverage was above average.  The music was better than TCR.
The camaraderie was first class.  The host was awesome.  The venue was
awe-inspiring.

I do not know if I made any friends, but I rekindled some old bonds with
acquaintances.It was a very pleasant surprise to see Melanie Alspaugh
from Switzerland.  She has not aged in 20 years.

There was a very light snow for a moment, and while naked cavers were
outside in the hot-tub.  There was a nice outdoor fireplace under a tarp
and almost out of the bone-chilling northerly wind.

There was a respectable fireworks show after the countdown.

It looked like maybe those that wanted to get lucky, got lucky.

I would like to especially thank the very talented GFB for playing a hit
song by The Tokens - "The Lion Sleeps Tonight."That really cheered me
up. They nailed it, having never once practiced it.

About 12:30 a.m., I was pondering driving east towards my hometown of
Arcola, when the GFB miraculously started a 4th set of wild crazy R
songs.  Special musical guest were Chris Vreeland, Andy Gluesenkamp and
Andy Edwards.

So about 2 a.m., I crawled into the back of my Sequioia and stuffed my
lard-ass into my goretex bivy-sack and fell right to sleep.   I had to wake
up 3 times in the night to relieve myself and that was no fun in the bitter
cold.  ( I had not come prepared to camp in a wind-chill of 20 degree
weather )

I assume that fragments of the party continued on outside in the freezing
cold and also in the house till probably 4 in the morning.


On a more personal note,

The long solo drive home the following morning ( January 1st, 2018 ) really
sucked.   I stopped briefly in Brenham and frolicked in my rental storage
unit.  The unit that I am renting is 15 feet tall, so I am laying 1/2"
thick pine boards across the tops of my 10 Gorilla Racks, covering the
lumber in thick plywood sheets to make a makeshift second floor.   So far,
I only have 3 and 1/2 sheets of plywood or about 144 sq. ft. of usable
floor( 1,300 cu. ft. for stacking boxes. )  It does not feel rickety.

So whoever inherits this junk someday, will also get about $ 500 in quality
lumber and lots of heavy-duty plastic tote boxes.

I am not looking forward to January.   I wish I could hibernate instead.
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Re: [Texascavers] Happy New Years

[David via Texascavers]

1:58 a.m.  01-01-18

GFB playing "Black Magic Woman" live
( a song by Santana )

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xf0835dyu7tve30/20180101_015539.jpg?dl=0
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[Texascavers] Happy New Years

[David via Texascavers]

1:12 a.m.  01-01-18

GFB playing "Red House" live
( a song by Jimi Hendrix )

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ifnbg6dca89ft7/20180101_010758.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1x9w4o90i3n5xo/20180101_010028.jpg?dl=0
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[Texascavers] New Year's festivities in Austin or Houston ?

[David via Texascavers]

I still have no plans to party NYE.


Up to about 5 p.m., I am frolicking in my rental storage unit in Brenham.
I doubt I will sleep in it tonight.

I have the house to myself in Arcola for the next 2 days, but I expect to
be thrown out by Wednesday ( hopefully for good this time ).

[  I should be living in my storage unit next week, but once work picks
back up, then I plan to live in cheap weekly motels in northwest Houston,
thru the spring. ]

Cheers.  Happy New Year

Hopefully 2018, is the year that I dust off my old caving gear ( actually,
mostly new gear, but never used ).  But my best guess is that it will more
likely happen in 2019.  So realistically before my 55th birthday.

David Locklear

If you are near Arcola around 9 to 11 p.m. then text me

281-995-8487

I will most likely drift off to sleep before midnight and wake up later to
realize I missed the hoopla.
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Re: [Texascavers] Resumideros del estado Guerrero

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

Mixtlancingo is the name of the river that flows into the caves. The town name 
given on the SMES map is Coaxtlahuacán, Guerrero. It's a long way from there to 
Morelos. ;-)

Mark


On Sun, 31 Dec, 2017 at 12:57 PM, David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

Mark,


That is probably it.


However, the town of Mixtlancingo is in the state of Morelos.


SMES was the group that I was referring to.   SMES showed a photo of the 
borehole passage were they ran out of rope ( during a presentation at the 
Mexpeleo in Acahuzotla ).


The passage had whitewater rapids flowing into darkness below.  ( water always 
flows downstream for you young cavers - unless there is some hydrogeological 
pressure forcing it against gravity )


I had assumed that cave was in the area above the town Chilpancingo in the 
state of Guerrero.   That karst area is a promising place to retire as a caver 
- if you dont mind the bandito-politics.


On Dec 31, 2017 10:09 AM, "Mark Minton via Texascavers" 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:




David,


Did you mean Mixtlancingo? If so, you've been scooped! SMES explored those 
resumideros and published an article and maps in AMCS Activities Newsletter no. 
25 (2002).


Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net>


On Sun, 31 Dec, 2017 at 12:32 AM, David via Texascavers 
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the Number One cave on my bucket list is just 2 hours from there - "Resumidero 
de Mixtlacingo."  Imagine the Medina River sinking into a big hole and only one 
group of cavers has tried to rappel into it only to find another waterfall into 
a dark abyss.
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Re: [Texascavers] Resumideros del estado Guerrero

[David via Texascavers]

Mark,

That is probably it.

However, the town of Mixtlancingo is in the state of Morelos.

SMES was the group that I was referring to.   SMES showed a photo of the
borehole passage were they ran out of rope ( during a presentation at the
Mexpeleo in Acahuzotla ).

The passage had whitewater rapids flowing into darkness below.  ( water
always flows downstream for you young cavers - unless there is some
hydrogeological pressure forcing it against gravity )

I had assumed that cave was in the area above the town Chilpancingo in the
state of Guerrero.   That karst area is a promising place to retire as a
caver - if you dont mind the bandito-politics.

On Dec 31, 2017 10:09 AM, "Mark Minton via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

David,


Did you mean Mixtlancingo? If so, you've been scooped! SMES explored those
resumideros and published an article and maps in AMCS Activities Newsletter
no. 25 (2002).


Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Sun, 31 Dec, 2017 at 12:32 AM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

the Number One cave on my bucket list is just 2 hours from there -
"Resumidero de Mixtlacingo."  Imagine the Medina River sinking into a big
hole and only one group of cavers has tried to rappel into it only to find
another waterfall into a dark abyss.

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Re: [Texascavers] Announcing the Texas Speleology Center

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

Great news!

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Department of Biophysics, Rm. ND10.214A
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Dallas, TX 75061 USA
214-645-6383 (office)

> On Dec 31, 2017, at 5:34 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Excellent! Thank you, thank you.
>
> Bill Mixon, you’re my hero!
>
> Bill Steele
>
>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Texas Speleological Survey (TSS) and the Texas Cave Management 
>> Association (TCMA) are pleased to announce the new Texas Speleology Center! 
>> This facility will serve as the new joint headquarters for both 
>> organizations and will eventually be the new home of the TSS library 
>> currently located at the Pickle Research campus. The Texas Speleology Center 
>> is located near Driftwood, TX (southwest of Austin) and is in the former 
>> residence of Bill Mixon. The TCMA and TSS wish to thank Bill for generously 
>> working with us to acquire this property, which will serve the entire Texas 
>> caving community.
>>
>> The Center is located on 5 quiet wooded acres and contains a main building 
>> and a large metal barn. The main building contains a library, meeting room, 
>> office space, and a cooking area. It also has a full size basement with its 
>> own lower entrance and the main level has a large deck. The barn is suitable 
>> for storing trailers and equipment or holding talks and events. The Center 
>> currently holds the AMCS library, which we anticipate will continue.
>>
>> The TCMA and TSS wish to thank the many people who helped this purchase come 
>> to fruition and we look forward to inviting the Texas caving community to 
>> join us at the Center in the upcoming year for many projects and events!
>>
>> Joe Mitchell
>> President, Texas Speleological Survey
>>
>> Gregg Williams
>> President, Texas Cave Management Association
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[Texascavers] Mixtlancingo

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

David,


Did you mean Mixtlancingo? If so, you've been scooped! SMES explored those 
resumideros and published an article and maps in AMCS Activities Newsletter no. 
25 (2002).


Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net


On Sun, 31 Dec, 2017 at 12:32 AM, David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:



the Number One cave on my bucket list is just 2 hours from there - "Resumidero 
de Mixtlacingo."  Imagine the Medina River sinking into a big hole and only one 
group of cavers has tried to rappel into it only to find another waterfall into 
a dark abyss.
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Re: [Texascavers] Announcing the Texas Speleology Center

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Excellent! Thank you, thank you. 

Bill Mixon, you’re my hero!

Bill Steele 

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> The Texas Speleological Survey (TSS) and the Texas Cave Management 
> Association (TCMA) are pleased to announce the new Texas Speleology Center! 
> This facility will serve as the new joint headquarters for both organizations 
> and will eventually be the new home of the TSS library currently located at 
> the Pickle Research campus. The Texas Speleology Center is located near 
> Driftwood, TX (southwest of Austin) and is in the former residence of Bill 
> Mixon. The TCMA and TSS wish to thank Bill for generously working with us to 
> acquire this property, which will serve the entire Texas caving community. 
> 
> The Center is located on 5 quiet wooded acres and contains a main building 
> and a large metal barn. The main building contains a library, meeting room, 
> office space, and a cooking area. It also has a full size basement with its 
> own lower entrance and the main level has a large deck. The barn is suitable 
> for storing trailers and equipment or holding talks and events. The Center 
> currently holds the AMCS library, which we anticipate will continue.
> 
> The TCMA and TSS wish to thank the many people who helped this purchase come 
> to fruition and we look forward to inviting the Texas caving community to 
> join us at the Center in the upcoming year for many projects and events!
> 
> Joe Mitchell
> President, Texas Speleological Survey
> 
> Gregg Williams
> President, Texas Cave Management Association
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Re: [Texascavers] tourist in the news

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David,  I wish the best for the New Year.  Mike Walsh


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Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:32
Subject: [Texascavers] tourist in the news


>From David Locklear


There is a tragic story in the news about an American tourist shot and killed 
near Zihuatanejo.


The media is just trying to show that Mexico has gone crazy.



There is something very fishy about this story.


First, he was allegedly outside at 4 in the morning.   Second, he lived in 
Mexico permanently in Tijuana.  Yet commuted to work in the US as a city 
official.  He obviously knows Mexico better than most American tourist there.


I have been there before, twice.  It was around 2000, but have erased it 
completely from my memory banks.  A former Houston caver owns a bed-n-breakfast 
there.  His son manages it.   Everybody knows you stay inside after dark.   
There are direct flights from Houston to Zihuatanejo.  It is not just some 
point on a map.   It is a beautiful place.  I would love to go back, but I am 
glad I saw it before the crime increased.  There are likely some excellent 
caves within an hour drive of there.   In fact, the Number One cave on my 
bucket list is just 2 hours from there - "Resumidero de Mixtlacingo."  Imagine 
the Medina River sinking into a big hole and only one group of cavers has tried 
to rappel into it only to find another waterfall into a dark abyss.  I was near 
that caving area at the Mexpeleo held in 2005ish in Taxco al Viejo.




Anyways,


This victim was apparently staying at a ritzy motel.  It is hard to imagine he 
really got shot near the motel, so if he was outside of the tourist zone at 4 
am, he was probably doing something unsafe.  There are probably thousands of 
rich people enjoying the holiday there, and probably a few dozen millionaires.


Meanwhile, 10 people were shot in Houston last week, even on Christmas Day.




Tonight and for the next three days, My wife and daughter are in Reynosa, 
Mexico.  I am home alone near Arcola.  Reynosa is supposed to be one of the 
most dangerous places in Mexico according to the news media.   She just called 
and said she was eating delicious "gorditas."   They know to not leave the 
house after dark.  Life should not be this complicated.   On one hand, it is my 
job to protect my daughter.  But on the other, there were dozens of other ways 
I would have prefered to spend NYE and my time off work.


I do hope to go on a road-trip to the Sierra Madres in 2018 in my Sequoia.  I 
am concerned about the safety and security preparations for that, but I also 
have to stay vigilent in Houston around ATMs and gas stations, and bank parking 
lots.




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[Texascavers] tourist in the news

[David via Texascavers]

>From David Locklear

There is a tragic story in the news about an American tourist shot and
killed near Zihuatanejo.

The media is just trying to show that Mexico has gone crazy.

There is something very fishy about this story.

First, he was allegedly outside at 4 in the morning.   Second, he lived in
Mexico permanently in Tijuana.  Yet commuted to work in the US as a city
official.  He obviously knows Mexico better than most American tourist
there.

I have been there before, twice.  It was around 2000, but have erased it
completely from my memory banks.  A former Houston caver owns a
bed-n-breakfast there.  His son manages it.   Everybody knows you stay
inside after dark.   There are direct flights from Houston to Zihuatanejo.
It is not just some point on a map.   It is a beautiful place.  I would
love to go back, but I am glad I saw it before the crime increased.  There
are likely some excellent caves within an hour drive of there.   In fact,
the Number One cave on my bucket list is just 2 hours from there -
"Resumidero de Mixtlacingo."  Imagine the Medina River sinking into a big
hole and only one group of cavers has tried to rappel into it only to find
another waterfall into a dark abyss.  I was near that caving area at the
Mexpeleo held in 2005ish in Taxco al Viejo.


Anyways,

This victim was apparently staying at a ritzy motel.  It is hard to imagine
he really got shot near the motel, so if he was outside of the tourist zone
at 4 am, he was probably doing something unsafe.  There are probably
thousands of rich people enjoying the holiday there, and probably a few
dozen millionaires.

Meanwhile, 10 people were shot in Houston last week, even on Christmas Day.


Tonight and for the next three days, My wife and daughter are in Reynosa,
Mexico.  I am home alone near Arcola.  Reynosa is supposed to be one of the
most dangerous places in Mexico according to the news media.   She just
called and said she was eating delicious "gorditas."   They know to not
leave the house after dark.  Life should not be this complicated.   On one
hand, it is my job to protect my daughter.  But on the other, there were
dozens of other ways I would have prefered to spend NYE and my time off
work.

I do hope to go on a road-trip to the Sierra Madres in 2018 in my Sequoia.
I am concerned about the safety and security preparations for that, but I
also have to stay vigilent in Houston around ATMs and gas stations, and
bank parking lots.
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Re: [Texascavers] Spanish 103

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Como esta frijolis.

On Dec 29, 2017 6:05 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I have not learned any new Spanish in over a year.
>
> Next time you are in a Mexican restaurant, and the waiter first ask you
> what you want to drink say,
>
> "El coctel Monterrey, por favor,"
>  or with a group,
> "unos cocteles Monterrey, por favor."
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Speleology Center

[David via Texascavers]

I can definitely clean out my rental storage unit and find something that
might be worthy of donating.

I have some old furniture, a nice old wood gun cabinet, some nature books,
an old small camp stove, lots of metal serving plates.  2 white-gas
lanterns, an old coffee table.  2 respectable old leather office lobby
chairs, a Canon printer/copier

I can eventually build a Linux desktop computer, once I have enough parts.
I think I have everything needed, but a power supply and an SSD.

I would rather see you all sell the old dusty stuff in a yard sale for $ 1,
than to let the storage auctioneers get it, only to throw it in a dumpster.

I have boxes and boxes full of junk items worth 5 cents in a yard sale.

I have a box of 50 Lexan tea glasses used once at our wedding in 2001.

If anyone knows the whereabouts of a large chopping block that disappearred
from the big event years ago in Kerrville, I would like to donate that.
 Maybe wherever The Oztotl Circus Tent is stored.  An equivalent one
retails for $ 90 in stores.  Otherwise, I have a smaller chopping block, a
toaster oven, a hot-dog cooker, and 3 old sinks and a bookshelf.

I would have to haul it all from Brenham, in a trailer, I guess.

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Announcing the Texas Speleology Center

[William R. (Bill) Elliott via Texascavers]

I am very glad to hear of this development. I look forward to working in the 
AMCS and TSS libraries when I move back to Texas. Maybe I could draft some lost 
cave maps. 

Thanks!

William R. (Bill) Elliott
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On Dec 29, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers 
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The Texas Speleological Survey (TSS) and the Texas Cave Management Association 
(TCMA) are pleased to announce the new Texas Speleology Center! This facility 
will serve as the new joint headquarters for both organizations and will 
eventually be the new home of the TSS library currently located at the Pickle 
Research campus. The Texas Speleology Center is located near Driftwood, TX 
(southwest of Austin) and is in the former residence of Bill Mixon. The TCMA 
and TSS wish to thank Bill for generously working with us to acquire this 
property, which will serve the entire Texas caving community. 

The Center is located on 5 quiet wooded acres and contains a main building and 
a large metal barn. The main building contains a library, meeting room, office 
space, and a cooking area. It also has a full size basement with its own lower 
entrance and the main level has a large deck. The barn is suitable for storing 
trailers and equipment or holding talks and events. The Center currently holds 
the AMCS library, which we anticipate will continue.

The TCMA and TSS wish to thank the many people who helped this purchase come to 
fruition and we look forward to inviting the Texas caving community to join us 
at the Center in the upcoming year for many projects and events!

Joe Mitchell
President, Texas Speleological Survey

Gregg Williams
President, Texas Cave Management Association
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Re: [Texascavers] Announcing the Texas Speleology Center

[Mimi Jasek via Texascavers]

Excellent news, and thank you to Bill Mixon for making this much needed 
facility become a reality.

Jim and Mimi Jasek

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> On Dec 29, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> The Texas Speleological Survey (TSS) and the Texas Cave Management 
> Association (TCMA) are pleased to announce the new Texas Speleology Center! 
> This facility will serve as the new joint headquarters for both organizations 
> and will eventually be the new home of the TSS library currently located at 
> the Pickle Research campus. The Texas Speleology Center is located near 
> Driftwood, TX (southwest of Austin) and is in the former residence of Bill 
> Mixon. The TCMA and TSS wish to thank Bill for generously working with us to 
> acquire this property, which will serve the entire Texas caving community. 
> 
> The Center is located on 5 quiet wooded acres and contains a main building 
> and a large metal barn. The main building contains a library, meeting room, 
> office space, and a cooking area. It also has a full size basement with its 
> own lower entrance and the main level has a large deck. The barn is suitable 
> for storing trailers and equipment or holding talks and events. The Center 
> currently holds the AMCS library, which we anticipate will continue.
> 
> The TCMA and TSS wish to thank the many people who helped this purchase come 
> to fruition and we look forward to inviting the Texas caving community to 
> join us at the Center in the upcoming year for many projects and events!
> 
> Joe Mitchell
> President, Texas Speleological Survey
> 
> Gregg Williams
> President, Texas Cave Management Association
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Re: [Texascavers] Spanish 103

[Nico Escamilla via Texascavers]

Good one Bockbeer!

Nico

El 29 dic. 2017 6:05 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> I have not learned any new Spanish in over a year.
>
> Next time you are in a Mexican restaurant, and the waiter first ask you
> what you want to drink say,
>
> "El coctel Monterrey, por favor,"
>  or with a group,
> "unos cocteles Monterrey, por favor."
>
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[Texascavers] Spanish 103

[David via Texascavers]

I have not learned any new Spanish in over a year.

Next time you are in a Mexican restaurant, and the waiter first ask you
what you want to drink say,

"El coctel Monterrey, por favor,"
 or with a group,
"unos cocteles Monterrey, por favor."
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[Texascavers] Announcing the Texas Speleology Center

[Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers]

The Texas Speleological Survey (TSS) and the Texas Cave Management Association 
(TCMA) are pleased to announce the new Texas Speleology Center! This facility 
will serve as the new joint headquarters for both organizations and will 
eventually be the new home of the TSS library currently located at the Pickle 
Research campus. The Texas Speleology Center is located near Driftwood, TX 
(southwest of Austin) and is in the former residence of Bill Mixon. The TCMA 
and TSS wish to thank Bill for generously working with us to acquire this 
property, which will serve the entire Texas caving community. 

The Center is located on 5 quiet wooded acres and contains a main building and 
a large metal barn. The main building contains a library, meeting room, office 
space, and a cooking area. It also has a full size basement with its own lower 
entrance and the main level has a large deck. The barn is suitable for storing 
trailers and equipment or holding talks and events. The Center currently holds 
the AMCS library, which we anticipate will continue.

The TCMA and TSS wish to thank the many people who helped this purchase come to 
fruition and we look forward to inviting the Texas caving community to join us 
at the Center in the upcoming year for many projects and events!

Joe Mitchell
President, Texas Speleological Survey

Gregg Williams
President, Texas Cave Management Association
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Re: [Texascavers] A mobile-camp-kitchen idea.

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

Google tells me that Loews is a Canadian hotel chain. And I already have a camp 
kitchen, so I'm not driving that far north and staying in that hotel just to 
get another one. 

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone



Mobile email from my iPhone
> On Dec 29, 2017, at 1:46 PM, David via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> LOEW's Store has a large heavy-duty plastic box on wheels
> that has a unique feature.
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Re: [Texascavers] A mobile-camp-kitchen idea.

[Allan Cobb via Texascavers]

This is a pretty good idea. I am of the opinion though that the table 
part takes up space in the box. You would probably be better off with a 
big box like that for stuff and a 4 foot plastic top office table or a 
folding 5 foot table (although I hate those folding tables). It gives 
you more table space and more storage space in the box for less money.


Allan Cobb
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Re: [Texascavers] A mobile-camp-kitchen idea.

[Dwight via Texascavers]

That is an interesting item. Thanks David. 

DirtDoc 
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[Texascavers] A mobile-camp-kitchen idea.

[David via Texascavers]

LOEW's Store has a large heavy-duty plastic box on wheels
that has a unique feature.

Upon opening it, it transforms into a small workbench.

A creative caver could modify this in such a way that it would make a
super-quick fold-out kitchen.

All the metal pots and pans and utensils would be stored below and a
lightweight cutting board could be placed on top.

You could easily prepare food for 10 people with this.   And if you had
room for two or three of them, even more expedtion-like food preparation
could be done.

The drawbacks are that it far heavier that a fold-out Coleman-style
kitchen, and work-table is small and it is $ 170 plus tax.

Brand:   Irwin
Model:   Mobile Command Center

https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/042526/042526950780.jpg


You could also make a dedicated Medical Station, or a dedicated internet
station, or maybe prop up a tv for some kind of remote presentation.

The main feature is quick-setup
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[Texascavers] 2018 NSS Convention

[David via Texascavers]

>From David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com


The link below supposedly updates several times per day offering a view of
the town where the next NSS Convention will take place.
( They are expecting a big snow tomorrow - a storm named "Frankie." )


http://www.krtv.com/category/325608/helena-i-cam?clienttype=generic


Meanwhile,

I had to cancel my idea to drive to the NSS Party, so I began to ponder how
on Earth I could find a way to make it to the Convention in July.  I
imagine I will have to skip that.

As far as New Year's Eve goes,

I have to work Friday, so all the fuss that I made last week about a
tentative road-trip was for nothing.  However, I should have some gas money
to at least leave town.
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[Texascavers] DARPA Subterranean Challenge

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Is this good or bad for caves ad cavers?


https://www.livescience.com/61278-darpa-wants-humans-to-navigate-underground.html#?utm_source=nbcuniversal_medium=syndication


https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/new-contest-aims-help-humans-navigate-subterranean-world-ncna833191?cid=eml_mach_20171228


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP6wTWiokVY


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] NSS Party ?

[David via Texascavers]

>From David Locklear


Anybody from central Texas or Houston area going to the NSS Party ?

Getting to the party is not that crazy.It is the drive back, that would
kill me.

I could possibly leave Thursday after lunch from Houston.

However, I am pretty sure I have maxxed out my credit card.

As of 10:30 p.m., I am about to take a long power-nap inside my rental
storage unit in Brenham.   I just now discovered a 6 foot person can sleep
in a fetal position inside of a Gorilla Rack.

I have to work Thursday morning in Houston.

Once I am done with work, and any obligations with my daughter, I "desire"
to hit the road.

If the Huntsville road-trip idea fails ( which I assume it will ), then I
"might" go to Reynosa, Mexico to celebrate New Years with my daughter and
my simpleton in-laws.

However, I have not spoken to the estranged-wife about that, and hope I
don't ever see her again.


The rest is this post is personal cr*p.  Some people enjoy reading others
dirty laundry


I just spent the past 3 days intensely doing the traditional secular
Christmas thing, kissing *ss and being nice to extremely j*rkw*d family and
half-family.I do not hope lightening strikes most of those people, but
I do I hope I never have to suffer being in the same room with them again.
I had to disown at least 6 of them after Christmas Day dinner, not
including the estranged-wife and only brother  who each deserved special
trophies for going unexpected psych*.

In summary, I need a vacation pretty bad.

But I am afraid I will end up staying home and just playing on the computer.

Santa brought me a new pocket-knife and a nice parka which I am wearing
now, and some wood that I used earlier this evening to expand the 2nd floor
of my rental storage unit.

My daughter got a really nice wetsuit suitable for a thru-trip in
Honeycreek.   And my 3 year old half-nephew got a real caving helmet (
brand TomTom )

Not to be continued
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Re: [Texascavers] Pelican cases

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Hi Charlie,


This is exactly why those cases are not allowed in Chiricahua Crystal Cave.


Regards,

Lee


On 12/27/2017 10:00 AM, texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com wrote:

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:04:43 -0600
From: Charles Loving<lovingi...@gmail.com>
To: Cavers Texas<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Pelican cases
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

So, a Pelican Case. Do I have to go to the coast to catch one and then How
do I make it get in the Pelican case. and why do we need to carry around
Pelicans?

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:


Amazon Deal of the Day today is Pelican cases in case anyone is interested.


https://is.gd/v5DKaH


Regards,

Lee


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Re: [Texascavers] Pelican cases

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

So, a Pelican Case. Do I have to go to the coast to catch one and then How
do I make it get in the Pelican case. and why do we need to carry around
Pelicans?

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Amazon Deal of the Day today is Pelican cases in case anyone is interested.
>
>
> https://is.gd/v5DKaH
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Lee
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[Texascavers] Pelican cases

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Amazon Deal of the Day today is Pelican cases in case anyone is interested.


https://is.gd/v5DKaH


Regards,

Lee

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Re: [Texascavers] Just reminscing - part 2 of 3

[John Brooks via Texascavers]

There is a first time for everything. 

Several words I swore I would never say..come on David Locklear ! 

Post the final chapter of this Ill fated journey !

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> On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:56 AM, David via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> I left out the part that I was renting a room in Wild Bill Rupley's townhome 
> in west Houston.  I am sure he regrets that.  Wild Bill was still working in 
> his grandfather's fur-coat business ( yes, In Houston if you can fathom that 
> )  That is his story to tell.   It is my theory, that he helped fuel the 
> campfire rumors then that maybe some of my marbles were slightly loose.
> 
> Anyways,
> 
> Rolf Adams and his girlfriend Anne agreed to meet me at Terry Raines' ranch 
> around mid-December ( I think ).   I just recall a fuzzy memory of a 
> dome-shaped wooden structure with a grand piano and some old clutter.   I 
> think that might have been my first real formal introduction to Terry Raines, 
> although I had met him and read dozens of his adventures.  It was dark when I 
> got there, and I think that I had spent an hour just trying to find his house.
> 
> I recall a female caver maybe renting a bungalow there that was maybe a 
> Jazzercize instructor ??
> She was good-looking.  I forgot her name 25 years ago.
> 
> I arrived there from Houston in "The Speleo-Stationwagon."  A 1972 Ford 
> Country Squire with a 1976 400 cu in ( actually 6.6 liters ) V8 that I had 
> proudly installed by myself.  The money and time that I spent on that car 
> over a two-year period was way way beyond super-retarded.  But in those days, 
> I could not afford an Isuzu Trooper or other fancy SUVs that cavers were 
> purchasing.  I had purchased it for $ 200 from my grandpa in 1987 and it was 
> my first car.   So I had some really weird sentimental attachment to it, 
> partly because he and I had years of memories in it prior to that.  It once 
> had an 8-track player mounted to the floor, and a CB-radio.
> 
> 
> Upon arriving at Terry's ranch house, things were quite chaotic.Terry was 
> very intensely preoccupied with the finishing touches of his newest book - 
> one that he was hoping to present two weeks later at the First Mexpeleo in 
> Ciudad Valles, entitled - "The Caves of Mexico."  
> 
> Terry quickly showed me the rough draft, and I can't tell you here what my 
> first impression was.   But it was or would have been today the equivalent of 
> 100 Wikipedia articles on the major caves of Mexico - had he had some 
> assistance and more time ro work on it.
> 
> The 2 Aussies were no where near ready to leave and suggested waiting another 
> day - maybe something to do with their newly acquired beater jalopy - a 
> Datsun pickup ( $ 400 ?? ) [ ~ 1977 ]
> 
> So I drove into San Marcos to get more supplies.   There, suddenly my 
> drive-shaft fell off after the rear U-Joint shattered.I spent most of the 
> night by myself in a parking lot of AutoZone in San Marcos fixing that.  ( no 
> internet or cell-phone )
> 
> I drove exhausted back to Terry's ranch only to break the front U-joint about 
> a half-mile from his ranch.
> 
> Someone claimed you need to replace both U-Joints.   I have no memory of how 
> I fixed that or even if I did.
> 
> It must have been morning time by the time I made contact with the Aussies 
> that I had a unexpected setback.  I was so wiped out.
> 
> The rest of that day and the next gets very fuzzy, but wherever I abandoned 
> The Speleo-Stationwagon . was across the street from Nancy Weaver's house.
> 
> Maybe she has a better memory of that than I do.   She was not a happy 
> camper, as I think it was abandoned there 3 weeks ( or maybe 3 months ?? ).  
> Plus it was in a fairly ugly state of modification at that point.   Meaning, 
> it belonged in a junk-yard crusher.
> 
> I guess the 2 Aussies and I and the Datsun pickup left Terry's ranch 
> uneventfully.  I rode in the back of the camper in a fetal position in a 
> space not any bigger than a large suitcase while breathing toxic fumes.
> 
> I am guessing that was my 2nd of four times to cross the border by car at 
> Matamoros.
> 
> We drove 18 painful hours non-stop to a beach just outside a very tiny town 
> called Nautla in the northern part of the state of Veracuz.
> 
> We camped alone on a very secluded remote beach with no worries whatsoever of 
> being beheaded by a cartel member.   We never saw anybody there.  
> Unfortunately, we slept the whole 5 hours that we were there and never saw 
> the pretty beach in the daylight, except we probably left just after sunrise. 
>  I doubt I pitched a tent, but they did.
> 
> https://goo.gl/maps/AvaNxXw5TCH2
> 
&g

[Texascavers] Just reminscing - part 2 of 3

[David via Texascavers]

I left out the part that I was renting a room in Wild Bill Rupley's
townhome in west Houston.  I am sure he regrets that.  Wild Bill was still
working in his grandfather's fur-coat business ( yes, In Houston if you can
fathom that )  That is his story to tell.   It is my theory, that he helped
fuel the campfire rumors then that maybe some of my marbles were slightly
loose.

Anyways,

Rolf Adams and his girlfriend Anne agreed to meet me at Terry Raines' ranch
around mid-December ( I think ).   I just recall a fuzzy memory of a
dome-shaped wooden structure with a grand piano and some old clutter.   I
think that might have been my first real formal introduction to Terry
Raines, although I had met him and read dozens of his adventures.  It was
dark when I got there, and I think that I had spent an hour just trying to
find his house.

I recall a female caver maybe renting a bungalow there that was maybe a
Jazzercize instructor ??
She was good-looking.  I forgot her name 25 years ago.

I arrived there from Houston in "The Speleo-Stationwagon."  A 1972 Ford
Country Squire with a 1976 400 cu in ( actually 6.6 liters ) V8 that I had
proudly installed by myself.  The money and time that I spent on that car
over a two-year period was way way beyond super-retarded.  But in those
days, I could not afford an Isuzu Trooper or other fancy SUVs that cavers
were purchasing.  I had purchased it for $ 200 from my grandpa in 1987 and
it was my first car.   So I had some really weird sentimental attachment to
it, partly because he and I had years of memories in it prior to that.  It
once had an 8-track player mounted to the floor, and a CB-radio.


Upon arriving at Terry's ranch house, things were quite chaotic.Terry
was very intensely preoccupied with the finishing touches of his newest
book - one that he was hoping to present two weeks later at the First
Mexpeleo in Ciudad Valles, entitled - "The Caves of Mexico."

Terry quickly showed me the rough draft, and I can't tell you here what my
first impression was.   But it was or would have been today the equivalent
of 100 Wikipedia articles on the major caves of Mexico - had he had some
assistance and more time ro work on it.

The 2 Aussies were no where near ready to leave and suggested waiting
another day - maybe something to do with their newly acquired beater jalopy
- a Datsun pickup ( $ 400 ?? ) [ ~ 1977 ]

So I drove into San Marcos to get more supplies.   There, suddenly my
drive-shaft fell off after the rear U-Joint shattered.I spent most of
the night by myself in a parking lot of AutoZone in San Marcos fixing
that.  ( no internet or cell-phone )

I drove exhausted back to Terry's ranch only to break the front U-joint
about a half-mile from his ranch.

Someone claimed you need to replace both U-Joints.   I have no memory of
how I fixed that or even if I did.

It must have been morning time by the time I made contact with the Aussies
that I had a unexpected setback.  I was so wiped out.

The rest of that day and the next gets very fuzzy, but wherever I abandoned
The Speleo-Stationwagon . was across the street from Nancy Weaver's
house.

Maybe she has a better memory of that than I do.   She was not a happy
camper, as I think it was abandoned there 3 weeks ( or maybe 3 months ??
).  Plus it was in a fairly ugly state of modification at that point.
 Meaning, it belonged in a junk-yard crusher.

I guess the 2 Aussies and I and the Datsun pickup left Terry's ranch
uneventfully.  I rode in the back of the camper in a fetal position in a
space not any bigger than a large suitcase while breathing toxic fumes.

I am guessing that was my 2nd of four times to cross the border by car at
Matamoros.

We drove 18 painful hours non-stop to a beach just outside a very tiny town
called Nautla in the northern part of the state of Veracuz.

We camped alone on a very secluded remote beach with no worries whatsoever
of being beheaded by a cartel member.   We never saw anybody there.
Unfortunately, we slept the whole 5 hours that we were there and never saw
the pretty beach in the daylight, except we probably left just after
sunrise.  I doubt I pitched a tent, but they did.

https://goo.gl/maps/AvaNxXw5TCH2

That area sure looks very tourist-friendly on the Google map link above
after just 28 years.

Our next stop was a quick lunch at a taqueria in Orizaba where we quickly
did our final shopping.At that point, I recall wasting money, that I
would need later.  Had I just had about $ 40 more, I would have managed the
trip without any bad memories.

We eventually arrived in the capital of the state of Puebla, and traffic
was insane - much worse than other small cities I had visited.  Volkswagen
beetle bug-taxis by the hundreds.  All white ??

Then we continued south towards the rural base-camp area that I can only
assume was an "ejido."

I think we set up camp in the dark, however we had very little in the form
of camping gear.

I seem to recall waking up in a giant hilly pasture 

Re: [Texascavers] Just reminiscing - part 1 of 3

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

It must have been a very fuzzy memory because 1989 was 28 years ago.

Mike Harris

On Dec 24, 2017 5:26 PM, "Mark Minton via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Rolf Adams was a fantastic caver and all around really nice guy. I had the
> pleasure of caving with him several times, including at Cueva Cheve in
> 1989. There is a photo of Rolf, Noel Sloan and me on the cover of the NSS
> history book "Caving in America". We were supposed to represent "modern"
> cavers, as compared to the other photo on the cover showing cavers from
> 1940. Ironically, at that time none of the three of us were NSS members.
> Rolf was Australian and not a member; I had not yet joined, and Noel's
> membership had lapsed. (The book is no longer available from the NSS, but
> it is on eBay: <https://www.ebay.com/itm/Caving-in-America-The-Story-
> of-the-National-Spelelogical-Society-1991-/151917519053>.)
>
>
> Mark Minton
>
> mmin...@caver.net
>
> On Sun, 24 Dec, 2017 at 5:11 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> To: CaveTex
> Cc: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> A personal story from David Locklear from December of 1989.
> ( a very fuzzy memory from 18 years ago)
>
> I have ever told this whole story - at least not in detail - just in parts.
>
> Background:   Australian caver Rolf Adams ( who would later drown in
> Florida scuba training for a caving expedition ) was hanging out in Austin
> semi-permanently caving full-time..  He had finished his math studies at a
> university in Australia and had climbed El Capitan and sone lots of
> caving.He was the most technical caver that I had ever met, and I
> assumed he could lead or climb as good as Alejandro Villagomez.   He and I
> had caved previously once over Thanksgiving in The El Cielo, mostly
> ridgewalking camping, swimming and taking in the Huastecan culture.
>
> [ Sidenote:   I actually sincerely believed his name was Wallaby Adams
> until reading his obituary in the NSS News two years later. ]
>
> In November of 89, I was laid-off from a civil engineering company where I
> worked drafting on mylar with ink pens. and Leroy set roads ( new suburban
> boulevards ).   I had never been laid off.   In those days, unlike today, I
> was a total moron, and I had no earthly idea what it meant to be laid off.
>  In my case, I had an extreme stroke of luck ( for once ) in that when I
> arrived at The Texas Unemployment Office, my bosse's boss was in line right
> next to me.
>
> So I left Houston and went to the UT Grotto meeting.   ( In those days,
> still being an A.S.S. caver, I referred to it as the "t.u. Grotto." )
>
> Rolf was there with his girlfriend from Australia.  He introduced her as
> Dr. Anne Gray.She was a cute blonde with long frizzy hair about 25
> years old.   [I think this might be her on Facebook
>
> https://www.facebook.com/anne.gray.144 ]
>
> Rolf announced he was heading on a ridgewalking adventure near Tehuacan,
> Puebla in search of the highest cave entrance in the western hemisphere.
>
> I think our remote spot is now a tourist site:
>
> San Bernardino Lagunas
> Vicente Guerrero, Puebla, Mexico
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/Zer3ueTFVt32
>
> Some Austin cavers found a tiny yellow beat-up Datsun pickup with
> camper-shell on the back.
>
> Rolf was content to have me tag along, but unknown to me, his girlfriend
> had possibly been wanting a simple quite trip with just the two of them.
>  She did not know me at all, like Rolf did.  And she and I never hit it
> off.   In hindsight, I should have bailed on them, at some point before
> reaching Puebla.
> But they had no business travelling alone like that where they were going.
>
> Maybe to be continued
>
> Feel free to correct me, or add to Part One, if you knew Rolf or Anne.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Just reminiscing - part 1 of 3

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

Rolf Adams was a fantastic caver and all around really nice guy. I had the 
pleasure of caving with him several times, including at Cueva Cheve in 1989. 
There is a photo of Rolf, Noel Sloan and me on the cover of the NSS history 
book "Caving in America". We were supposed to represent "modern" cavers, as 
compared to the other photo on the cover showing cavers from 1940. Ironically, 
at that time none of the three of us were NSS members. Rolf was Australian and 
not a member; I had not yet joined, and Noel's membership had lapsed. (The book 
is no longer available from the NSS, but it is on eBay: 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/Caving-in-America-The-Story-of-the-National-Spelelogical-Society-1991-/151917519053>.)



Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net


On Sun, 24 Dec, 2017 at 5:11 PM, David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

To: CaveTex
Cc: dlocklea...@gmail.com
A personal story from David Locklear from December of 1989.
( a very fuzzy memory from 18 years ago)



I have ever told this whole story - at least not in detail - just in parts.


Background:   Australian caver Rolf Adams ( who would later drown in Florida 
scuba training for a caving expedition ) was hanging out in Austin 
semi-permanently caving full-time..  He had finished his math studies at a 
university in Australia and had climbed El Capitan and sone lots of caving.    
He was the most technical caver that I had ever met, and I assumed he could 
lead or climb as good as Alejandro Villagomez.   He and I had caved previously 
once over Thanksgiving in The El Cielo, mostly ridgewalking camping, swimming 
and taking in the Huastecan culture.   


[ Sidenote:   I actually sincerely believed his name was Wallaby Adams until 
reading his obituary in the NSS News two years later. ]


In November of 89, I was laid-off from a civil engineering company where I 
worked drafting on mylar with ink pens. and Leroy set roads ( new suburban 
boulevards ).   I had never been laid off.   In those days, unlike today, I was 
a total moron, and I had no earthly idea what it meant to be laid off.   In my 
case, I had an extreme stroke of luck ( for once ) in that when I arrived at 
The Texas Unemployment Office, my bosse's boss was in line right next to me.


So I left Houston and went to the UT Grotto meeting.   ( In those days, still 
being an A.S.S. caver, I referred to it as the "t.u. Grotto." )


Rolf was there with his girlfriend from Australia.  He introduced her as Dr. 
Anne Gray.    She was a cute blonde with long frizzy hair about 25 years old.   
[I think this might be her on Facebook 


https://www.facebook.com/anne.gray.144 ]


Rolf announced he was heading on a ridgewalking adventure near Tehuacan, Puebla 
in search of the highest cave entrance in the western hemisphere.


I think our remote spot is now a tourist site:



San Bernardino Lagunas
Vicente Guerrero, Puebla, Mexico


https://goo.gl/maps/Zer3ueTFVt32


Some Austin cavers found a tiny yellow beat-up Datsun pickup with camper-shell 
on the back.


Rolf was content to have me tag along, but unknown to me, his girlfriend had 
possibly been wanting a simple quite trip with just the two of them.   She did 
not know me at all, like Rolf did.  And she and I never hit it off.   In 
hindsight, I should have bailed on them, at some point before reaching Puebla.
But they had no business travelling alone like that where they were going.


Maybe to be continued


Feel free to correct me, or add to Part One, if you knew Rolf or Anne.









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[Texascavers] Just reminiscing - part 1 of 3

[David via Texascavers]

A personal story from David Locklear from December of 1989.
( a very fuzzy memory from 18 years ago)


I have ever told this whole story - at least not in detail - just in parts.

Background:   Australian caver Rolf Adams ( who would later drown in
Florida scuba training for a caving expedition ) was hanging out in Austin
semi-permanently caving full-time.  He had finished his math studies at a
university in Australia and had climbed El Capitan and sone lots of
caving.He was the most technical caver that I had ever met, and I
assumed he could lead or climb as good as Alejandro Villagomez.   He and I
had caved previously once over Thanksgiving in The El Cielo, mostly
ridgewalking camping, swimming and taking in the Huastecan culture.

[ Sidenote:   I actually sincerely believed his name was Wallaby Adams
until reading his obituary in the NSS News two years later. ]

In November of 89, I was laid-off from a civil engineering company where I
worked drafting on mylar with ink pens. and Leroy set roads ( new suburban
boulevards ).   I had never been laid off.   In those days, unlike today, I
was a total moron, and I had no earthly idea what it meant to be laid off.
 In my case, I had an extreme stroke of luck ( for once ) in that when I
arrived at The Texas Unemployment Office, my bosse's boss was in line right
next to me.

So I left Houston and went to the UT Grotto meeting.   ( In those days,
still being an A.S.S. caver, I referred to it as the "t.u. Grotto." )

Rolf was there with his girlfriend from Australia.  He introduced her as
Dr. Anne Gray.She was a cute blonde with long frizzy hair about 25
years old.   [I think this might be her on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/anne.gray.144 ]

Rolf announced he was heading on a ridgewalking adventure near Tehuacan,
Puebla in search of the highest cave entrance in the western hemisphere.

I think our remote spot is now a tourist site:

San Bernardino Lagunas
Vicente Guerrero, Puebla, Mexico


https://goo.gl/maps/Zer3ueTFVt32

Some Austin cavers found a tiny yellow beat-up Datsun pickup with
camper-shell on the back.

Rolf was content to have me tag along, but unknown to me, his girlfriend
had possibly been wanting a simple quite trip with just the two of them.
 She did not know me at all, like Rolf did.  And she and I never hit it
off.   In hindsight, I should have bailed on them, at some point before
reaching Puebla.
But they had no business travelling alone like that where they were going.

Maybe to be continued

Feel free to correct me, or add to Part One, if you knew Rolf or Anne.
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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19

[Steve Keselik via Texascavers]

My vote for an water proof case is the Pelican box, fortunately Harbor
Freight has the Apache brand for about 1/3rd the cost. The small one
starting at $15. They seem to be well constructed and made of a good grade
plastic, a good rubber seal and a vent valve. They even have the pluck foam
insert. Steve

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[Texascavers] Gloves related

[David via Texascavers]

>From David Locklear


There are some gloves that I have been wanting for months at Northern Tool
Company store - brand "Premium Defense."   But they are $ 30 plus tax.

They are on sale for $ 5 plus tax now till supplies run out.

   www.bigtimeproducts.net

The store also has moving blankets on sale, and who doesn't need a moving
blanket.


Did I tell you that I helped a little old lady who got mugged at the Target
Store ?  Ladies be careful if you shop near Houston.   K*trina refugees are
lurking in the shadows here after dark.

David
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Re: [Texascavers] Lascaux Museum

[Jerry via Texascavers]

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If only some of the wet and muddy crawlway caves were so easy to exit ! 

Jerry.
 

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Cc: John Brooks <john.brooks.archit...@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 22, 2017 8:52 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Lascaux Museum










https://www.archdaily.com/868408/lascaux-iv-snohetta-plus-casson-mann?ad_medium=adbo_17
 
 
 
New  Lascaux Museum. This is what architects think caves look like.


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Re: [Texascavers] Ammo can - Part 2

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Mine are all metal and old. 30 cal. I think. What calibre are you using in
your caves?


On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 5:17 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> From David Locklear,
>
> I shopped hard and analyzed each ammo can that I could find in stores, and
> the winner was the one shown below:
>
> Kobalt # 0666039
>
> For $ 9.98 ( $ 10.80 with tax in Texas )
>
> The other reasonable choices were the metal can, the olive-green
> heavy-duty plastic one ( sold at Northern Tool ), or the white or orange
> heavy-duty plastic ( sold in the marine section of Academy ).
>
> I had a fancy one already, (made of aluminum ), but did not see that in
> stores, and that was not what I was looking for this time.
>
> This one is strictly for road-trips, and will have all those small things
> you need on a road-trip, similar to a caver's pack.   In fact this ammo can
> is suitable for caving, where you need to protect something from dust and
> humidity.
>
> I expect this ammo can to last many years.  The plastic hinge on the lid
> should be the first thing to fail.
>
> This ammo can will eventually get covered in Gorilla duct-tape and then
> some caving stickers.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Ammo can - Part 2

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

If you want to keep things protected and dry, the best choice is usually the 
Curtec drum <http://onrope1.com/miscellaneous/curtec-darren-drum-6.4-liter/> 
(commonly called Darren drum). These are lightweight, waterproof, very robust, 
and can be used as camp seats as well as ferried through sumps. I carry one in 
my pack on every cave trip.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net


On Fri, 22 Dec, 2017 at 6:18 PM, David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

To: CaveTex
Cc: dlocklea...@gmail.com

From David Locklear,

I shopped hard and analyzed each ammo can that I could find in stores, and the 
winner was the one shown below:


    Kobalt # 0666039


For $ 9.98 ( $ 10.80 with tax in Texas )


The other reasonable choices were the metal can, the olive-green heavy-duty 
plastic one ( sold at Northern Tool ), or the white or orange heavy-duty 
plastic ( sold in the marine section of Academy ).


I had a fancy one already, (made of aluminum ), but did not see that in stores, 
and that was not what I was looking for this time.


This one is strictly for road-trips, and will have all those small things you 
need on a road-trip, similar to a caver's pack.   In fact this ammo can is 
suitable for caving, where you need to protect something from dust and 
humidity. 


I expect this ammo can to last many years.  The plastic hinge on the lid should 
be the first thing to fail.


This ammo can will eventually get covered in Gorilla duct-tape and then some 
caving stickers. 


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[Texascavers] NSS Party ?

[David via Texascavers]

>From David Locklear

I am just starting to brainstorm ideas since my Sierra Madre road-trip
appears to have imploded.

I have to be in Sugarland at 1 a.m.
on Sunday ( meaning that is when I will be off work and ready for bed )

So I can leave Sugarland in my Sequoia on Sunday morning.

Here is a list of ideas:

1 ) Stay home and suffer
2 ) Take a 2-1/2 day bus ride into central Mexico and relax in a motel in
the mountains and absorb the culture.
3 ) Go to the NSS Party
4 )  just go on a normal Texas road-trip, maybe camp at Seminole Canyon or
swim at Lake Balmorhhea.
5 )  or I could do what 2 million other Houstonians do at Christmas, and
that is borrow money and donate it to a casino in Lake Charles.
6 )  or I could visit relatives
  ( feels like being flogged )

7)  spend the $ on computer upgrades

8) any better ideas ?
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Re: [Texascavers] Lascaux Museum

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

Some architects--not all. They should have hired you.

On 12/22/2017 9:52 AM, John Brooks via Texascavers wrote:




https://www.archdaily.com/868408/lascaux-iv-snohetta-plus-casson-mann?ad_medium=adbo_17

New  Lascaux Museum. This is what architects think caves look like.




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[Texascavers] Lascaux Museum

[John Brooks via Texascavers]

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> New  Lascaux Museum. This is what architects think caves look like.
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