Re: [Texascavers] new deep cave

[Charles Loving]

Dos Bocas in Puerto Rico is not quite a float. A group of us Texas covers
did that with some PR cavers as guides.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:43 PM David  wrote:

> A lot of non-caving people probably have no idea that there are lots of
> deep caves in the remote wildernesses.   In fact, there are several already
> mapped in far southernmost Alaska, and Idaho and the Canadian province of
> British Columbia.
>
> The deepest limestone caves and deepest vertical caves of North America
> are in that region.
>
> I can't name any of them off the top of my head, but they are on the
> various deep caves list.
>
> I would bet some Canadian cavers already had been in this cave, or at
> least ridge-walked around that specific range and probably back in the 80's.
>
> There is a deeper lava cave, but the lava tube passage is less than a few
> meters below the surface.
>
>
> Sidenote:
>
> I took Geology 101 at A in 1985 and caver Tom Byrd was my T.A.   He took
> me to "Midnght Cave" in Carta Valley.  We camped on the old Triangle with
> avout ten C.V.S.S. folks.  I had met them once at my first TCR in New
> Braunfels, or at the precious Spring Convention at Inner Space Caverns.
>
> I forgot most of that, but Jon Everage was there, and I got to know him.
>
> We all sat around the campfire in The Triangle.   I had hitchiked from
> College Station to Austin to meet Tom.But I think Gil or Bill Elliot or
> both took me back to Austin to hitch-hike home to College Station, or maybe
> that was a 2nd trip, as I think I may have "possibly" I done that twice.
>  I had done a remarkable amount of hitch-hiking by 1987, when I began my
> futile work on "The SpeleoStationwagon."  I only have a blurry picture of
> that vehicle up near Joya de Salas in the El Cielo area of The Sierra
> Madres.   Anyways, that all started rumors about me being crazy, that
> eventually got way too exaggerated around the caver-campfire.I was just
> very naive and uninformed, just like all of the hikers that recently made
> the tragic news in Peru, Morocco, and Mexico.   I was just lucky and never
> encountered trouble.
>
>
> Another sidenote:
>
> It was really great to see the C.V.S.S. pose for a group photo last year.
>  I felt I could understand at least a itsy-bitsy tiny bit some of their
> comradery and memories at least of the one reunion they had there in The
> Triangle.  That might of been early spring of 86.   Either way, I knew a
> lot of speleo-stuff for a novice caver - just enough to be over-confident
> and dangerous - lacking true experience.
>
> Now in almost 2019, I am way too out of shape and would be even more
> likely to be clumsy and accident-prone.  My next cave will involve floating
> downstream on a large inner-tube with a life-jacket in tropical stream.
> Hopefully that will be in 2020 in Puerto Rico or Cuba or southern Mexico.
>
> D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] new deep cave

[David]

A lot of non-caving people probably have no idea that there are lots of
deep caves in the remote wildernesses.   In fact, there are several already
mapped in far southernmost Alaska, and Idaho and the Canadian province of
British Columbia.

The deepest limestone caves and deepest vertical caves of North America are
in that region.

I can't name any of them off the top of my head, but they are on the
various deep caves list.

I would bet some Canadian cavers already had been in this cave, or at least
ridge-walked around that specific range and probably back in the 80's.

There is a deeper lava cave, but the lava tube passage is less than a few
meters below the surface.


Sidenote:

I took Geology 101 at A in 1985 and caver Tom Byrd was my T.A.   He took
me to "Midnght Cave" in Carta Valley.  We camped on the old Triangle with
avout ten C.V.S.S. folks.  I had met them once at my first TCR in New
Braunfels, or at the precious Spring Convention at Inner Space Caverns.

I forgot most of that, but Jon Everage was there, and I got to know him.

We all sat around the campfire in The Triangle.   I had hitchiked from
College Station to Austin to meet Tom.But I think Gil or Bill Elliot or
both took me back to Austin to hitch-hike home to College Station, or maybe
that was a 2nd trip, as I think I may have "possibly" I done that twice.
 I had done a remarkable amount of hitch-hiking by 1987, when I began my
futile work on "The SpeleoStationwagon."  I only have a blurry picture of
that vehicle up near Joya de Salas in the El Cielo area of The Sierra
Madres.   Anyways, that all started rumors about me being crazy, that
eventually got way too exaggerated around the caver-campfire.I was just
very naive and uninformed, just like all of the hikers that recently made
the tragic news in Peru, Morocco, and Mexico.   I was just lucky and never
encountered trouble.


Another sidenote:

It was really great to see the C.V.S.S. pose for a group photo last year.
 I felt I could understand at least a itsy-bitsy tiny bit some of their
comradery and memories at least of the one reunion they had there in The
Triangle.  That might of been early spring of 86.   Either way, I knew a
lot of speleo-stuff for a novice caver - just enough to be over-confident
and dangerous - lacking true experience.

Now in almost 2019, I am way too out of shape and would be even more likely
to be clumsy and accident-prone.  My next cave will involve floating
downstream on a large inner-tube with a life-jacket in tropical stream.
Hopefully that will be in 2020 in Puerto Rico or Cuba or southern Mexico.

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] new deep cave

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Yeah, something must not translate well. 

How's it going?

Bill 

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I bite my elbow.
> 
> (Not an easy task)
> 
> Josh
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> > Russians just took another cave over 2,000m depth:   below is the notice I 
>> > received this
>> > morning (after translation).
>> >
>> > Stone [copied by Mixon]
>> >
>> > =
>> >
>> >
>> > "The cave named after Verevkin is 2151 m deep!
>> > In the period from July 30 to August 14 (the deadline for underground 
>> > work), another expedition of the speleoclub Perovo took place in the cave 
>> > named after Verevkin. As a result of the expedition, the depth of the cave 
>> > increased to 2151 m. Thus, the cave became the second super deep (over 
>> > 2000 m) in the world. "
>> >
>> >
>> > Congratulations to the speleoclub Perovo! Krosavchegi!)) After years of 
>> > hard work they did it! Foreign speleologists bite their elbows - already 
>> > the 4 deepest caves in the world are on the territory of Abkhazia, and 
>> > only Russians and Ukrainians have set records in recent years. Hooray!)
>> > P.S. To the world record (-2196 m) is very little. And if you consider 
>> > that now the second group of Perovians is starting to work in Verevkin, 
>> > there are chances to do it in the coming days! To understand what hellish 
>> > work it was achieved - here are the cool films made by speleologists about 
>> > the cave of Verevkin in the expeditions of 2004 and February 2017:
>> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1_mEZ299Y
>> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgY536DxCo
>> >
>> >
>> > "... The lower point is currently in the system of subhorizontal spacious 
>> > courses in the zone from -2100 m to-2150 m, this is a mirror of one of the 
>> > siphons .The absolute elevation is 129 m above sea level .According to the 
>> > main watercourse, it is possible to reach unflooded areas deeper than this 
>> > For this expedition, there was a shortage of working time, stopped at 
>> > -2129 m before the next ledge (8 m).
>> > To the previously known three siphons in the cave was added 4 more. One of 
>> > them is located on the main watercourse (-1963 m), its bypass was found. 
>> > Three more - in the subhorizontal system below -2100 m: mirrors at 2115 m, 
>> > 2140 m and 2151 m. All of them are spacious, the dimensions of the course 
>> > are more than 4 m, standing water.
>> > In addition, during the expedition the telephone communication was 
>> > organized from -600 m to -1350 m, work was carried out on the passage of 
>> > the upper entrances to Vimevkin. In addition to the existing ones, PBL 
>> > 1900 was installed ... "Nowadays there has begun to work Perovo-speleo, 
>> > maybe they will dive.
>> 
>> God created the word in six days.
>> On the seventh day, while God rested,
>> the Devil created religion.
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] new deep cave

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

Well, I bite my elbow.

(Not an easy task)

Josh

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> > Russians just took another cave over 2,000m depth:   below is the notice
> I received this
> > morning (after translation).
> >
> > Stone [copied by Mixon]
> >
> > =
> >
> >
> > "The cave named after Verevkin is 2151 m deep!
> > In the period from July 30 to August 14 (the deadline for underground
> work), another expedition of the speleoclub Perovo took place in the cave
> named after Verevkin. As a result of the expedition, the depth of the cave
> increased to 2151 m. Thus, the cave became the second super deep (over 2000
> m) in the world. "
> >
> >
> > Congratulations to the speleoclub Perovo! Krosavchegi!)) After years of
> hard work they did it! Foreign speleologists bite their elbows - already
> the 4 deepest caves in the world are on the territory of Abkhazia, and only
> Russians and Ukrainians have set records in recent years. Hooray!)
> > P.S. To the world record (-2196 m) is very little. And if you consider
> that now the second group of Perovians is starting to work in Verevkin,
> there are chances to do it in the coming days! To understand what hellish
> work it was achieved - here are the cool films made by speleologists about
> the cave of Verevkin in the expeditions of 2004 and February 2017:
> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1_mEZ299Y
> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgY536DxCo
> >
> >
> > "... The lower point is currently in the system of subhorizontal
> spacious courses in the zone from -2100 m to-2150 m, this is a mirror of
> one of the siphons .The absolute elevation is 129 m above sea level
> .According to the main watercourse, it is possible to reach unflooded areas
> deeper than this For this expedition, there was a shortage of working time,
> stopped at -2129 m before the next ledge (8 m).
> > To the previously known three siphons in the cave was added 4 more. One
> of them is located on the main watercourse (-1963 m), its bypass was found.
> Three more - in the subhorizontal system below -2100 m: mirrors at 2115 m,
> 2140 m and 2151 m. All of them are spacious, the dimensions of the course
> are more than 4 m, standing water.
> > In addition, during the expedition the telephone communication was
> organized from -600 m to -1350 m, work was carried out on the passage of
> the upper entrances to Vimevkin. In addition to the existing ones, PBL 1900
> was installed ... "Nowadays there has begun to work Perovo-speleo, maybe
> they will dive.
> 
> God created the word in six days.
> On the seventh day, while God rested,
> the Devil created religion.
> 
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[Texascavers] new deep cave

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

> Russians just took another cave over 2,000m depth:   below is the notice I 
> received this
> morning (after translation). 
> 
> Stone [copied by Mixon]
> 
> =
> 
> 
> "The cave named after Verevkin is 2151 m deep!
> In the period from July 30 to August 14 (the deadline for underground work), 
> another expedition of the speleoclub Perovo took place in the cave named 
> after Verevkin. As a result of the expedition, the depth of the cave 
> increased to 2151 m. Thus, the cave became the second super deep (over 2000 
> m) in the world. "
> 
> 
> Congratulations to the speleoclub Perovo! Krosavchegi!)) After years of hard 
> work they did it! Foreign speleologists bite their elbows - already the 4 
> deepest caves in the world are on the territory of Abkhazia, and only 
> Russians and Ukrainians have set records in recent years. Hooray!)
> P.S. To the world record (-2196 m) is very little. And if you consider that 
> now the second group of Perovians is starting to work in Verevkin, there are 
> chances to do it in the coming days! To understand what hellish work it was 
> achieved - here are the cool films made by speleologists about the cave of 
> Verevkin in the expeditions of 2004 and February 2017:
> Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1_mEZ299Y
> Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgY536DxCo
> 
> 
> "... The lower point is currently in the system of subhorizontal spacious 
> courses in the zone from -2100 m to-2150 m, this is a mirror of one of the 
> siphons .The absolute elevation is 129 m above sea level .According to the 
> main watercourse, it is possible to reach unflooded areas deeper than this 
> For this expedition, there was a shortage of working time, stopped at -2129 m 
> before the next ledge (8 m).
> To the previously known three siphons in the cave was added 4 more. One of 
> them is located on the main watercourse (-1963 m), its bypass was found. 
> Three more - in the subhorizontal system below -2100 m: mirrors at 2115 m, 
> 2140 m and 2151 m. All of them are spacious, the dimensions of the course are 
> more than 4 m, standing water.
> In addition, during the expedition the telephone communication was organized 
> from -600 m to -1350 m, work was carried out on the passage of the upper 
> entrances to Vimevkin. In addition to the existing ones, PBL 1900 was 
> installed ... "Nowadays there has begun to work Perovo-speleo, maybe they 
> will dive.

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