texascavers Digest 13 Feb 2014 18:49:50 -0000 Issue 1929
Topics (messages 23390 through 23402):
Re: Suspicious Pakages in Caves
23390 by: Justin Leigh Shaw
Call for Presentations - US Exploration Session, NSS Convention 2014
23391 by: Pat Kambesis
Travis/Hays County Caves - watch out for suspicious packages
23392 by: Robin Gary
explosives
23393 by: Mixon Bill
23399 by: Julie Jenkins
Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
23394 by: John Kerr
23395 by: Julia Germany
23396 by: Geary Schindel
23397 by: Phil Winkler
23398 by: Julia Germany
23400 by: Julie Jenkins
23402 by: Bill Walden
Corvette incident, etc.
23401 by: David
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This just came from a senior geologist with the City of Austin. I'm not
sure of the imeptus, but I thought I'd pass it on.
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From: Johns, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:51 AM
Subject: Suspicious Pakages in Caves
All,
I've been advised that there is an individual that may have placed
explosives in caves or sinkholes in southern Travis or northern Hays
Counties. If someone sees a suspicious object/package/box in a cave or
sinkhole, DO NOT TOUCH OR DISTURB IT. Quickly move away and immediately
call 911. No joke!
Please pass this on to those you know in the caving community.
Thx,
dj
David A. Johns, PG
City of Austin/WPD
P.O. Box 1088
Austin, Tx 78767-1088
Physical Address:
505 Barton Springs Rd, 11th Floor
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Hey Cavers,
I have enjoyed reading trip reports and seeing project accouncements from
various Texas cavers - so I know you all are out there (under there!) doing
great stuff. We are soliciting exploration/survey talks for US Exploration
session at the upcoming NSS Convention and would love to hear about your work
in person You don't need salon quality photos or maps - some "in-the-moment"
photos and line plots or sketches will do. There is always a good story to
tell to along with it - so consider signing up for a talk! Contact me off list
if you would like to get on the US Exploration schedule pat.kambe...@wku.edu.
Pat K
US Exploration Session Chair
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*Hi y'all... I received this message from David Johns of the City of
Austin Watershed Protection Department. I wanted to pass it along to all
of you. Not sure who advised him, but good for all of us to be aware.*
*cheers,*
* - Robin*
*From:* Johns, David
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:51 AM
*To:* Pope, Sylvia; Hiers, Scott; Hauwert, Nico
*Subject:* Suspicious Pakages in Caves
All,
I've been advised that there is an individual that may have placed
explosives in caves or sinkholes in southern Travis or northern Hays
Counties. If someone sees a suspicious object/package/box in a cave or
sinkhole, DO NOT TOUCH OR DISTURB IT. Quickly move away and immediately
call 911. No joke!
Please pass this on to those you know in the caving community.
Thx,
dj
David A. Johns, PG
City of Austin/WPD
P.O. Box 1088
Austin, Tx 78767-1088
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sent from Robin's g-mail account
cell phone: 512-569-5659
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Does anybody have any knowledge to suggest that the recent warning
about explosives is other than a very belated reaction to the finding
of explosives in a Hays County cave some weeks ago? -- Mixon
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No, I think the city is being paranoid and extra cautious. I just hope they
don't something extreme like shutting down access even though the caves are
pretty much all gated.
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have any knowledge to suggest that the recent warning about
> explosives is other than a very belated reaction to the finding of explosives
> in a Hays County cave some weeks ago? -- Mixon
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FWIW.
*http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/
<http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/>*
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Thanks! I read this yesterday, and was surprised to learn that property
(offices, homes), including vehicles, are NOT covered by insurance if damaged
by a sinkhole. There is an exclusion specifically for sinkholes. Granted, I
live on the Gulf Coast, and the only sinkholes are on streets from underground
leaking pipes. I got the impression from the article that this exclusion is
national, not just in cave areas.
julia
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From: John Kerr <jck...@gmail.com>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
FWIW.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/
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When I lived up that way, you could get a specific rider on your policy for
sinkholes and geotechnical foundation issues.
When I was in graduate school, I lived in a trailer about a mile from the
museum and maybe a mile from the corvette plant. There were large sinkholes
right in the trailer park.
It would be interesting to see if their policy covers the building and/or the
cars.
Geary
From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:51 AM
To: jck...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
Thanks! I read this yesterday, and was surprised to learn that property
(offices, homes), including vehicles, are NOT covered by insurance if damaged
by a sinkhole. There is an exclusion specifically for sinkholes. Granted, I
live on the Gulf Coast, and the only sinkholes are on streets from underground
leaking pipes. I got the impression from the article that this exclusion is
national, not just in cave areas.
julia
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From: John Kerr <jck...@gmail.com<mailto:jck...@gmail.com>>
To: texascavers
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
FWIW.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/
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I was surprised to see it is located directly alongside the I-65 interstate
hwy. One would think the highway engineers would have known of the presence of
cave system there. You can see it easily on Google-Earth.
On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
> When I lived up that way, you could get a specific rider on your policy for
> sinkholes and geotechnical foundation issues.
>
> When I was in graduate school, I lived in a trailer about a mile from the
> museum and maybe a mile from the corvette plant. There were large sinkholes
> right in the trailer park.
>
> It would be interesting to see if their policy covers the building and/or the
> cars.
>
> Geary
>
> From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:51 AM
> To: jck...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
>
> Thanks! I read this yesterday, and was surprised to learn that property
> (offices, homes), including vehicles, are NOT covered by insurance if damaged
> by a sinkhole. There is an exclusion specifically for sinkholes. Granted, I
> live on the Gulf Coast, and the only sinkholes are on streets from
> underground leaking pipes. I got the impression from the article that this
> exclusion is national, not just in cave areas.
>
> julia
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Kerr <jck...@gmail.com>
> To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32 am
> Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
>
> FWIW.
> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/
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Interesting, Geary!
I just Googled for more info. This article is most interesting. It also
states that the museum does have insurance coverage for the cars and building.
The article I read yesterday may have been a generic comment about insurance
and sinkholes....so perhaps the museum also had a rider....
Note there are two pages to this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/sinkhole-collapses-corvette-museum-kentucky-22477750
julia
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From: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>
To: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com>; jckusa <jck...@gmail.com>; texascavers
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
When I lived up that way, you could get a specific rider on your policy for
sinkholes and geotechnical foundation issues.
When I was in graduate school, I lived in a trailer about a mile from the
museum and maybe a mile from the corvette plant. There were large sinkholes
right in the trailer park.
It would be interesting to see if their policy covers the building and/or the
cars.
Geary
From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:51 AM
To: jck...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
Thanks! I read this yesterday, and was surprised to learn that property
(offices, homes), including vehicles, are NOT covered by insurance if damaged
by a sinkhole. There is an exclusion specifically for sinkholes. Granted, I
live on the Gulf Coast, and the only sinkholes are on streets from underground
leaking pipes. I got the impression from the article that this exclusion is
national, not just in cave areas.
julia
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From: John Kerr <jck...@gmail.com>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
FWIW.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/
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Duh, you'd think!
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Phil Winkler <pw...@dca.net> wrote:
>
> I was surprised to see it is located directly alongside the I-65 interstate
> hwy. One would think the highway engineers would have known of the presence
> of cave system there. You can see it easily on Google-Earth.
>
>
>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
>>
>> When I lived up that way, you could get a specific rider on your policy for
>> sinkholes and geotechnical foundation issues.
>>
>> When I was in graduate school, I lived in a trailer about a mile from the
>> museum and maybe a mile from the corvette plant. There were large sinkholes
>> right in the trailer park.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see if their policy covers the building and/or
>> the cars.
>>
>> Geary
>>
>> From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:51 AM
>> To: jck...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
>>
>> Thanks! I read this yesterday, and was surprised to learn that property
>> (offices, homes), including vehicles, are NOT covered by insurance if
>> damaged by a sinkhole. There is an exclusion specifically for sinkholes.
>> Granted, I live on the Gulf Coast, and the only sinkholes are on streets
>> from underground leaking pipes. I got the impression from the article that
>> this exclusion is national, not just in cave areas.
>>
>> julia
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Kerr <jck...@gmail.com>
>> To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32 am
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
>>
>> FWIW.
>> http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/
>
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Julie, Phil, Geary and all,
As for Kentucky:
In the past highway engineers didn't seem to care. Today the Kentucky
Speleological Survey is getting weekly requests for karst information
from construction companies, consulting companies and from the state.
Bill Walden
On 2/13/2014 1:35 PM, Julie Jenkins wrote:
Duh, you'd think!
On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Phil Winkler <pw...@dca.net
<mailto:pw...@dca.net>> wrote:
I was surprised to see it is located directly alongside the I-65
interstate hwy. One would think the highway engineers would have
known of the presence of cave system there. You can see it easily on
Google-Earth.
On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
When I lived up that way, you could get a specific rider on your
policy for sinkholes and geotechnical foundation issues.
When I was in graduate school, I lived in a trailer about a mile
from the museum and maybe a mile from the corvette plant. There were
large sinkholes right in the trailer park.
It would be interesting to see if their policy covers the building
and/or the cars.
Geary
*From:*Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
*Sent:*Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:51 AM
*To:*jck...@gmail.com
<mailto:jck...@gmail.com>;texascavers@texascavers.com
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
*Subject:*Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
Thanks! I read this yesterday, and was surprised to learn that
property (offices, homes), including vehicles, are NOT covered by
insurance if damaged by a sinkhole. There is an exclusion
specifically for sinkholes. Granted, I live on the Gulf Coast, and
the only sinkholes are on streets from underground leaking pipes. I
got the impression from the article that this exclusion is national,
not just in cave areas.
julia
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From: John Kerr <jck...@gmail.com <mailto:jck...@gmail.com>>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
FWIW.
_http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/_
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Warning: this email just contains inflated opinions and personal
irrelevant stuff.
I would bet more people would someday pay to see the wrecked Corvettes
displayed as an attraction in a cave, than the museum would have ever made
in the future, as it was probably not a profitable business, but relied
heavily on donations and volunteers. Make lemonade when you have lots of
extra lemons.
The Hays County incident does not sound like a malicious stunt. Someone
needs to store explosives somewhere safe, and they must have presumed wrong
that their explosives would be found. I seriously doubt there are random
caves with unattended explosives. It was probably a temporary storage for
they were most likely to be used in the near future. I doubt it was a
caver, but if it was, then there would only be only a handful of
suspects. For example, name a caver that could even locate a cave in Hays
County. Hopefully it was not placed by a teen fantasizing about a
copycat-style terrorist attack.
And for an update on my last personal post,,
I am searching Craigslist for a roommate now. Unfortunatley, a few hours
after I posted my CaveTex ad, one of the criminal associates of my evicted
next door neighbor broke into the vacant apartment and I had to call the
police again. So I put a new deadbolt on the door, and only I have a key.
I am hoping to live there in 2 weeks, and use the old apartment across the
hallway, as my office and storage space, but will need a roommate first.
My estranged wife wants to celebrate our 13 year marriage on Valentine's
Day. That item would never make it on to my to-do list. But I will have
to suffer through it for the kid.
David Locklear
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