texascavers Digest 20 May 2014 14:08:37 -0000 Issue 1982
Topics (messages 23858 through 23862):
USS and UT Grotto Meeting May 21st
23858 by: Andrea Croskrey
Re: Article by Mr. Cave
23859 by: Marvin and Lisa
23861 by: Gill Edigar
23862 by: Mark Minton
Human migration into North America
23860 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
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Howdy Texas Cavers!
Come get pumped about going to the NSS Convention in Alabama this summer,
http://nss2014.caves.org/, by coming to the meeting this Wednesday and and
hearing Sofia Casini and Galen Falgout talk about some amazing TAG caves!
[TAG = T.A.G.=Tennessee-Alabama-Georgia!]
The meeting, hosted by the University Speleological Society, is at
7:45pm in *Burdine
136*. Follow this link to a map of where the building is located on the
University of Texas campus:
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/bur.html
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org
Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for
happy hour specials. Attendance by cavers varies but this area is the best
place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. Then after the
USS meeting, we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for
burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com
Cavingly,
Andrea Croskrey
UT Grotto Vice Chair
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When I first moved out to the Bulverde area I noticed a rock house set back
off of 1863 just as you enter Bulverde from the east. In a terrace wall,
spelled out in rock, and easily visible from the road, was the word "CAVE".
I wondered at first if it was advertising a long forgotten tourist cave but
found out later that it was the name of people who lived there. The wall, or
at least the letters, have since been removed.
_____
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:31 AM
To: Preston Forsythe; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave
Hi Preston,
In answer to your question: "Is the last name, Cave, common?"
I did a quick check on Ancestry.com and saw that there were 1,566,853
entries for the name Cave. That, of course, doesn't mean that many
individuals by the name Cave, but includes every place that the name is
mentioned in every document in their database; includes things like birth
and death certs, wills, immigration and other public records, family trees,
military records, prison and orphanage records, mentions in newspapers and
other publications, et al. My own family has multiple entries for each
family member. Could even include a few "real underground, geological
anomalies." They rarely have records on live people because of potential
legal issues. In the family trees online, live people are generally referred
to as "unlisted." Censuses through 1940 can now be viewed online. The next
census (1950) will not be out for 70 years. If someone is interested and
does not have personal access to Ancestry.com or one of the other
genealogical sites, they can go to their nearest Morman "Family History
Library" and use their facilities free of charge. I've found the people who
work there very accommodating.
How do I know these things? I've been working on my family history for over
20 years.
Good luck, Louise
> From: pns_...@bellsouth.net
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 20:32:56 -0500
> Subject: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave
>
> Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today,
> and mention of I-35 to Duluth.
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html
?hp
>
> Is the last name, Cave, common?
>
> While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the
> Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud
,
> plus a major new double door installation.
>
> You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are
in
> Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs
> Saturday night. Good income for the NSS.
>
>
> Preston in KY
>
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I grew up with a family named Cave and have knows several others since. The
name Cuevas is common in Mexico. I was once told that the family name is
pluralized as Los Cuevas while caves are pluralized as Las Cuevas.
--Ediger
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today,
> and mention of I-35 to Duluth.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-
> mexicos-border.html?hp
>
> Is the last name, Cave, common?
>
> While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the
> Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud ,
> plus a major new double door installation.
>
> You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are
> in Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the
> hdqtrs Saturday night. Good income for the NSS.
>
>
> Preston in KY
>
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I think it is standard usage in Spanish that last names are
always masculine and plural when referring to the family as a whole,
irrespective of the gender the name/word may have otherwise. That's
probably a holdover from the dominance of males in family lineage.
Mark
At 09:09 AM 5/20/2014, Gill Edigar wrote:
I grew up with a family named Cave and have knows several others
since. The name Cuevas is common in Mexico. I was once told that the
family name is pluralized as Los Cuevas while caves are pluralized
as Las Cuevas.
--Ediger
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Preston Forsythe
<pns_...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo
today, and mention of I-35 to Duluth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html?hp
Is the last name, Cave, common?
While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at
the Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound,
i.e., mud , plus a major new double door installation.
You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the
link) are in Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15
year old at the hdqtrs Saturday night. Good income for the NSS.
Preston in KY
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Human migration into North America
I have missed a number of the discussions on SW Cavers and the Texas remailer,
but this is largely a response to Donald. Hope I am not stepping on some
previous posts that I have missed.
Donald, this has been a side interest of mine since my anthro days at UNM, but
I don't keep rigorously abreast of the latest confirmed data. There has been
lots of conjecture, discussions, and fist-fights over the ideas of how and when
the Native Americans got here. The last decade has brought the advent of DNA
identification and that, coupled with more accepted dating of archaeological
sites and linguistics studies are starting to give us some answers. The bottom
line is that most of the major ideas of how humans spread from Asia start to
make sense to me. The only major theory that fails is the idea that there was a
significant influx from the east, across the Atlantic: the so-called "
Solutrean Theory". Any input from that source does not seem to have had an
impact on the Native DNA, prior to the coming of Europeans after 1492. Lots of
the story remains to be unraveled, but the following seems to be shaking out.
The August 12, 2013 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science
(referenced in the Sept 21, 2013 issue of Science News)
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/dna-reveals-details-peopling-americas
The article stated that mitochondrial DNA combined with more traditional
archaeology (especially language studies) pretty conclusively shows that there
were three major times of migration of peoples into the Americas from Asia.
There were numerous individual groups that came east and south during each of
these broad periods of migration.
18,000-15,000 years ago (perhaps even a bit earlier): by sea in small boats
down the Pacific Coast line all the way to the tip of South America, spreading
inland. This seeded both North and Central America and all of South America
with humans. The South American DNA remained distinct from the DNA brought by
later migrations into North America. All the Native Americans seem to have DNA
that traces back to a child known as the Mal’ta boy, who lived near central
Siberia’s Lake Baikal 24,000 years ago. This was reported in November 20, 2013
issue of Nature (summary :
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ancient-siberian-bones-clarify-native-american-origins).
14,000 to 10,000 years ago the opening ice-free corridor in the Canadian
Rockies allowed influx of big game hunters and other hunter-gatherers to move
south from the Arctic. This appears to have provided the dominant wash of DNA
of most North American natives, from the west coast, high plains (including the
Clovis peoples), down the Mississippi Valley to the Gulf, as well as east to
Nova Scotia, all along the east coast and (by some path) into Florida. This is
the dominant DNA stock of North American natives south of the Arctic. This
group can also trace their DNA back to Mal’ta boy, but did not make it across
Central America to South America. There appear to be distinctive differences in
the DNA between North and South America.
Starting about 4,000 years ago, modern Inuit spread east across the Arctic
(northern Canada) to Greenland.
DNA from the only well-documented Clovis burial, a baby who died some 12,600
years ago, strongly indicates that this individual represents the influx from
Asia after the opening of the ice-free corridor. The data reported in the Feb.
13, 2014 issue of Nature (summarized in the March 22, 2014 issue of Science
News
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/clovis-baby%E2%80%99s-genome-unveils-native-american-ancestry
) suggests that the Clovis people and all present-day Native North Americans
came from the same genetic stock. The article does not specifically relate the
Clovis DNA to the South American populations or to Naia, but I am sure someone
is busily doing this. I await the results, but it fits into the general story
that is emerging. If confirmed, this study does put to rest the idea of the
Solutrean hypothesis, that ancient Europeans crossed the Atlantic and
established the Clovis culture in the New World.
Naia, the Hoyo Negro girl who inspired the latest round of posts, fits into
this somehow. It sounds to me as if they are still trying to fit her DNA into
the above story.
Ancient Cave Skeleton Sheds Light on Early American Ancestry
5/15/2014
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2014/05/15/ancient-cave-skeleton-sheds-light-on-early-american-ancestry/#.U3d0pyhJikw
Hope this helps.
Dwight
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