texascavers Digest 24 Feb 2014 18:40:57 -0000 Issue 1938
Topics (messages 23487 through 23501):
Re: Cavetex, etc.
23487 by: Nancy Weaver
23488 by: Heather Tucek
23489 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
23490 by: Stefan Creaser
23491 by: texascav...@yahoo.com
23492 by: Charles Goldsmith
23493 by: Edward J Gelsone
Re: Mystery Cave #3
23494 by: Mark Minton
23495 by: Bill Bentley
Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
23496 by: Jim Kennedy
23497 by: Julia Germany
23500 by: ernie.texasphotoworks.com
23501 by: caverarch
Re: Uvalde County trip report
23498 by: Logan McNatt
23499 by: Logan McNatt
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yet another gratuitious ugly comment. This is why people get off cavetex.
I cannot imagine what drives this bullying - and it tells me way more about the
person doing it than the rather eccentric, gentle and amusing person being
bullyied.
On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
> I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
>
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Definitely shows me which people I actually want to cave with.
Bullying isn't acceptable in middle schools; it shouldn't be acceptable
between grown adults within the caving community. Stop being children.
On 24 February 2014 09:10, Nancy Weaver <nan...@prismnet.com> wrote:
> yet another gratuitious ugly comment. This is why people get off cavetex.
> I cannot imagine what drives this bullying - and it tells me way more
> about the person doing it than the rather eccentric, gentle and amusing
> person being bullyied.
>
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
>
> > I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
> >
>
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Amen, Nancy. It might be funny if we weren't talking about a real person, a
member of our "caving family", someone who is genuinely interested in all
things cave related, and a person who consistently tries to encourage
discussion and assist the caving community.
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:10 AM, Nancy Weaver <nan...@prismnet.com> wrote:
yet another gratuitious ugly comment. This is why people get off cavetex.
I cannot imagine what drives this bullying - and it tells me way more about the
person doing it than the rather eccentric, gentle and amusing person being
bullyied.
On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
> I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
>
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Bullying?!!
This is a gentle ribbing!
David is a self-acknowledged armchair caver, so one *is* unlikely to see him in
a cave.
Is it Friday already?
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From: Nancy Weaver [mailto:nan...@prismnet.com]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:10 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.
yet another gratuitious ugly comment. This is why people get off cavetex.
I cannot imagine what drives this bullying - and it tells me way more about the
person doing it than the rather eccentric, gentle and amusing person being
bullyied.
On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
> I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
>
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I have a better solution.
Charles, could you go ahead and do us and the bullies a favor and just remove
the bullies from the listserve?
There, problem solved!
Next Mystery Cave. (I couldn't identify any of them, but, I still enjoy trying).
Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile
Android-Powered Device
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From: "Bill Steele" <speleoste...@aol.com>
To: "texascav...@yahoo.com" <texascav...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Mark Gee" <markageetxca...@live.com>, "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>,
"CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.
Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:17 AM
I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:46 AM, "texascav...@yahoo.com" <texascav...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and hosting this, Charles and I'm with Mark, Nancy, and
Fritz.
Keep posting, David!
Like CaveTex is soooo overloaded. Please!
Let the Locklear haters, Content Nazis, and general curmudgeons go elsewhere
then.
You truly won't be missed.
Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile
Android-Powered Device
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From: "mark gee" <markageetxca...@yahoo.com>
To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>, "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.
Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:32 PM
I dont mind at all. It I want to read it I do, if not, I delete it. Thanks
David. Why is this a problem>
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:04 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
The original thread was "Mystery Cave of the Month" - not "Mystery
Cave of the Hour."
It was not my idea. I am certain this was something that once ran
in the
Texas
Caver, or in some caver newsletter that I saw somewhere.
I am trying hard to not post stuff. I had an interesting article about caver
urination systems, but I never posted it.
There is an exciting new $ 15 LED headlamp that needs to be reviewed,
but I skipped
it.
I post-poned the 2014 East Texas Caver's Cookout till 2015, but did
not tell anybody.
I enjoyed the Mystery Cave pictures, but didn't say anything.
And isn't it only the Austin cavers, that are always posting personal
things like cars
for sale, and pool parties, lost poodles, and other stuff that has
nothing to do with caving ?
My good friend, Don, calling me a troll, was unexpected. I do not
feel like a troll, as I
really don't believe that I post stuff for attention, or to create discord.
David
Locklear
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Well, as much as I would like to intervene, this is a community run list.
I just uphold the rules.
Now, since this thread of conversaion is MOSTLY off topic, let's take it
off list please.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:39 AM, texascav...@yahoo.com <
texascav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have a better solution.
>
> Charles, could you go ahead and do us and the bullies a favor and just
> remove the bullies from the listserve?
>
> There, problem solved!
>
> Next Mystery Cave. (I couldn't identify any of them, but, I still enjoy
> trying).
>
>
> Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin
> Mobile Android-Powered Device
>
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> From: "Bill Steele" <speleoste...@aol.com>
> To: "texascav...@yahoo.com" <texascav...@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Mark Gee" <markageetxca...@live.com>, "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>,
> "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.
> Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:17 AM
>
>
> I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:46 AM, "texascav...@yahoo.com" <
> texascav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for chiming in and hosting this, Charles and I'm with Mark, Nancy,
> and Fritz.
>
> Keep posting, David!
>
> Like CaveTex is soooo overloaded. Please!
>
> Let the Locklear haters, Content Nazis, and general curmudgeons go
> elsewhere then.
>
> You truly won't be missed.
>
>
> Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin
> Mobile Android-Powered Device
>
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> From: "mark gee" <markageetxca...@yahoo.com>
> To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>, "CaveTex" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.
> Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:32 PM
>
>
> I dont mind at all. It I want to read it I do, if not, I delete it. Thanks
> David. Why is this a problem>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:04 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> The original thread was "Mystery Cave of the Month" - not "Mystery
> Cave of the Hour."
>
> It was not my idea. I am certain this was something that once ran
> in the Texas
> Caver, or in some caver newsletter that I saw somewhere.
>
> I am trying hard to not post stuff. I had an interesting article about
> caver
> urination systems, but I never posted it.
>
> There is an exciting new $ 15 LED headlamp that needs to be reviewed,
> but I skipped
> it.
>
> I post-poned the 2014 East Texas Caver's Cookout till 2015, but did
> not tell anybody.
>
> I enjoyed the Mystery Cave pictures, but didn't say anything.
>
> And isn't it only the Austin cavers, that are always posting personal
> things like cars
> for sale, and pool parties, lost poodles, and other stuff that has
> nothing to do with caving ?
>
> My good friend, Don, calling me a troll, was unexpected. I do not
> feel like a troll, as I
> really don't believe that I post stuff for attention, or to create discord.
>
> David Locklear
>
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I have lost all respect for those haters. I used to have great respect for
some of these folks too.
From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:20 AM
To: Nancy Weaver; CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.
Amen, Nancy. It might be funny if we weren't talking about a real person, a
member of our "caving family", someone who is genuinely interested in all
things cave related, and a person who consistently tries to encourage
discussion and assist the caving community.
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:10 AM, Nancy Weaver <nan...@prismnet.com>
wrote:
yet another gratuitious ugly comment. This is why people get off cavetex.
I cannot imagine what drives this bullying - and it tells me way more about
the person doing it than the rather eccentric, gentle and amusing person
being bullyied.
On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
> I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
>
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How about Wizard's Well?
Mark
At 08:49 AM 2/22/2014, Bill Bentley wrote:
>Mystery Cave #3
>
>This an entrance to a Texas Cave... What Cave is it?
>
>http://www.caver.net/images/DSC02490.JPG
>
>Bill
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It was Out To Lunch Cave in Brewster County, Jerry A guessed it right...
Thanks
Bill
On 2/24/2014 9:47 AM, Mark Minton wrote:
How about Wizard's Well?
Mark
At 08:49 AM 2/22/2014, Bill Bentley wrote:
>Mystery Cave #3
>
>This an entrance to a Texas Cave... What Cave is it?
>
>http://www.caver.net/images/DSC02490.JPG
>
>Bill
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I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from the
list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach of
protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality
(caving), I offer the following trip report.
This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo Ranch
in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active
for about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch
has been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left.
Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his caves.
I didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party
of me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality
and were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean
Krejca and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with
the owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin.
They asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife
association meeting, and I readily agreed.
The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a new
contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged
audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great
conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable
about local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me)
owners took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst
features.
Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and
Lee Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new
caves from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña,
and Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by
Bob Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I
suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow Cave.
Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey of
Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new
sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant cave.
In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before having
to quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the
dinosaur tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast,
supplemented by a crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and Galen.
Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth Figg.
Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner with
the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves.
Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast.
Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's about
1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology.
But before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple
of days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while
Guin decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled
for who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and
all had a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail.
We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last time
for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great
cavers and great landowners.
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EXCELLENT trip report, Jim!
I remember going to the Marneldo Ranch a really long time ago. Was there still
water in the swimming hole?
Wasn't Sandtleben where we all took refuge from a passing storm and wrote
Haikus?
Let me know the next time you are heading out there.
So sorry to hear that they parceled the land, but not surprised. AWESOME that
you met the various owners and got relationships started for more caving in the
area!
julia
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From: Jim Kennedy <cavercr...@gmail.com>
To: CaveTex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from the
list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach of
protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality
(caving),
I offer the following trip report.
This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo Ranch
in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active
for
about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch has
been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left.
Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his caves.
I
didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party of
me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality and
were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean Krejca
and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the
owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin. They
asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife
association meeting, and I readily agreed.
The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a new
contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged
audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great
conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable
about
local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me) owners
took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features.
Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and
Lee
Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new caves
from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, and
Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by Bob
Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I
suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow Cave.
Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey of
Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new
sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant cave.
In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before having
to
quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the dinosaur
tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast,
supplemented by a crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and Galen.
Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth Figg.
Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner with
the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves.
Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast.
Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's about
1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology.
But
before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of
days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while Guin
decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled for
who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and all
had
a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail.
We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last time
for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great
cavers and great landowners.
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Crash and all:
Thanks for you report, and especially for creating such good caver/landowner relations. You show a very good example to follow.
Ernie G
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Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
From: Jim Kennedy <
cavercr...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, February 24, 2014 9:22 am
To: CaveTex <
texascavers@texascavers.com>
I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from the list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach of protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality (caving), I offer the following trip report.
This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo Ranch in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active for about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch has been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left.
Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his caves. I didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party of me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality and were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean Krejca and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin. They asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife association meeting, and I readily agreed.
The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a new contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable about local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me) owners took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features.
Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and Lee Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new caves from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, and Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by Bob Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow Cave. Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey of Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant cave.
In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before having to quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the dinosaur tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast, supplemented by a crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and Galen. Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth Figg. Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner with the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves.
Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast. Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's about 1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology. But before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while Guin decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled for who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and all had a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail.
We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last time for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great cavers and great landowners.
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Great report, Jim. Exactly what the this list ought to be presenting.
Roger G. Moore
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From: Jim Kennedy <cavercr...@gmail.com>
To: CaveTex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from the
list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach of
protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality
(caving),
I offer the following trip report.
This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo Ranch
in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active
for
about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch has
been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left.
Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his caves.
I
didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party of
me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality and
were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean Krejca
and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the
owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin. They
asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife
association meeting, and I readily agreed.
The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a new
contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged
audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great
conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable
about
local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me) owners
took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features.
Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and
Lee
Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new caves
from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, and
Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by Bob
Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I
suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow Cave.
Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey of
Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new
sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant cave.
In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before having
to
quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the dinosaur
tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast,
supplemented by a crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and Galen.
Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth Figg.
Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner with
the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves.
Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast.
Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's about
1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology.
But
before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of
days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while Guin
decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled for
who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and all
had
a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail.
We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last time
for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great
cavers and great landowners.
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Jim and the list,
Thanks for the trip report and caving news, which is what the list is really
about in my opinion.
Fantastic that you, Galen, Ellie, Lee Jay, Will, Kris, Guin, Ben, Yaz, and Bryce were able to meet and establish good relations with the local
ranchers; that's a win-win for all concerned, and especially the caves. It will have long-lasting positive results for years to come.
Congratulations and thanks to all,
Logan
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correcting that.
Jim and the list,
Thanks for the trip report and caving news, which is what the list is really
about in my opinion.
Fantastic that you, Galen, Ellie, Lee Jay, Will, Kris, Guin, Ben, Yaz, and
Bryce were able to meet and establish good relations with the local
ranchers; that's a win-win for all concerned, and especially the caves. It
will have long-lasting positive results for years to come.
Congratulations and thanks to all,
Logan
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