It's actually nice that there is nothing to report. As Mal gets better and
better, she will just have regular, boring days like everyone else. :-)
Thanks for the updates, Emily. I love hearing about how Mal is doing well.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Emily McGowan emm...@gmail.com wrote:
From the story it was a water injection well into the salt dome for the
purpose of making and extracting brine. The void left by the removed salt
is what is collapsing.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote:
Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's
Yeah, Logan. I've seen that video many times now. It's pretty amazing,
isn't it?
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote:
The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at
Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video
Ugh. Such horrible outcomes, both of them. :-(
But thanks for sharing the stories.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
**
But Nancy, your story isn't complete. Didn't the Arc narks try to have you
arrested for going to the cave in the first place? That has happened to
He must have gotten a spider fracture of the femur head, which I assume is
better than splitting the femur in half. Arrrgh. Anyway, hope you heal up
quickly and get back on your feet soon, Pete! An old boss of mine must have
broken three different bones at her own home as well.
On Fri, Oct 5,
Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups.
-Tim Stich
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been
dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a
cable ladder. Blarrrgh.
-Tim
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote:
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I
The very act of sending money to the infernal Church of the Subgenius makes
you an ordained minister in that blasphemous faith, which as I understand
it also makes me a possible minister. I have long ago lost the
documentation, so I still retain plausible deniability. Ediger can
confirm this.
I recall that Doug Smith, aka Ivan Stang remembered you well when last I
spoke to him over e-mail in 1996 or so. You described that group as
somewhat like cavers, but into a different sort of fun.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote:
In April of 1969, just before
Oh, by successful I thought you meant consumated. I would hope to hell
so.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.comwrote:
Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave?
I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by
The UP arrow is a better graphic than the little guy with a helmet I think.
Glad they switched to that. The Gris Gris goes one better and shows the
rope path, your belaying hand, and the climber.
You'd be surprised how many experienced people get spaced out and mess up
things as well.
On Thu,
Rod gets a special pass since he set sound for the band all these years, so
he gets a shout out at TCR where no other has in the history of the party.
So if any of you expect to be mentioned in future TCRs, you should probably
take up being roadies or sound technicians.
When Ediger passes on to
It's funny how news agencies all report that the man was trapped in the
cave, which to me would indicate he had something pinning him down or that a
collapse prevented getting out of the cave. News writers really don't
appreciate that cavers are happy underground and that they put themselves
there
Theis is the types of organization that give environmentalism a bad name.
They alienate vast user groups of wilderness areas that ordinarily they
might find allies within. It's quite sickening. There's little doubt that
their agenda is purely based on selfishness.
It will eventually come bite
Wow, in the midst of all of the drug violence, propping up the corrupt new
car dealership scam by choking off the used car market supply is still
winning at the policy table. Not surprising in the least.
So glad I don't even think about driving to Mexico anymore.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:27 AM,
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money
out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine.
But for caving I would want a much tougher light.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote:
Autolite Carbide Lamp!
but it is
dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant.
In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked
well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will
work just fine.
Allan
*From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011
You still need to coat the batter compartment of a waterproof light with
grease since it will get moisture in there anyway, and that's enough for
corrosion to start. Petroleum jelly works fine. No need for fancy grease.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I read that story! Wow. I had no idea she was a caver. Good to keep in mind
about snow bridges over creeks. I used to cross one near Nederland quite a
bit, but usually in winter.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote:
A California caver--Marcia Rasmussen
Ugh. Such horrible outcomes, both of them. :-(
But thanks for sharing the stories.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
**
But Nancy, your story isn't complete. Didn't the Arc narks try to have you
arrested for going to the cave in the first place? That has happened to
He must have gotten a spider fracture of the femur head, which I assume is
better than splitting the femur in half. Arrrgh. Anyway, hope you heal up
quickly and get back on your feet soon, Pete! An old boss of mine must have
broken three different bones at her own home as well.
On Fri, Oct 5,
That must feed into the same system that Airman's is a part of. Remember
the year Airman's had water flowing out of the wall to the left of the
entrance? I and some others went in there with masks, snorkels, and dive
lights to see where the water was coming from. Must be a lot more cave in
them
Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups.
-Tim Stich
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been
dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a
cable ladder. Blarrrgh.
-Tim
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote:
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I
That was very cool, Bill! Thanks for the link.
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
There's a short, rather surreal underground video at
http://vimeo.com/20918866. It won first prize in the video contest at
Hidden Earth 2011 (Britain's annual caving
The very act of sending money to the infernal Church of the Subgenius makes
you an ordained minister in that blasphemous faith, which as I understand
it also makes me a possible minister. I have long ago lost the
documentation, so I still retain plausible deniability. Ediger can
confirm this.
I recall that Doug Smith, aka Ivan Stang remembered you well when last I
spoke to him over e-mail in 1996 or so. You described that group as
somewhat like cavers, but into a different sort of fun.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote:
In April of 1969, just before
Oh, by successful I thought you meant consumated. I would hope to hell
so.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.comwrote:
Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave?
I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by
The UP arrow is a better graphic than the little guy with a helmet I think.
Glad they switched to that. The Gris Gris goes one better and shows the
rope path, your belaying hand, and the climber.
You'd be surprised how many experienced people get spaced out and mess up
things as well.
On Thu,
Rod gets a special pass since he set sound for the band all these years, so
he gets a shout out at TCR where no other has in the history of the party.
So if any of you expect to be mentioned in future TCRs, you should probably
take up being roadies or sound technicians.
When Ediger passes on to
Like their single slot ATC for gym climbing only that makes double rope
rappels impossible, this is yet another solution from Black Diamond looking
for a problem.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote:
Use it during a tape and compass survey and I bet you'll
It's funny how news agencies all report that the man was trapped in the
cave, which to me would indicate he had something pinning him down or that a
collapse prevented getting out of the cave. News writers really don't
appreciate that cavers are happy underground and that they put themselves
there
Theis is the types of organization that give environmentalism a bad name.
They alienate vast user groups of wilderness areas that ordinarily they
might find allies within. It's quite sickening. There's little doubt that
their agenda is purely based on selfishness.
It will eventually come bite
Wow, in the midst of all of the drug violence, propping up the corrupt new
car dealership scam by choking off the used car market supply is still
winning at the policy table. Not surprising in the least.
So glad I don't even think about driving to Mexico anymore.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:27 AM,
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money
out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine.
But for caving I would want a much tougher light.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote:
Autolite Carbide Lamp!
but it is
dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant.
In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked
well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will
work just fine.
Allan
*From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011
You still need to coat the batter compartment of a waterproof light with
grease since it will get moisture in there anyway, and that's enough for
corrosion to start. Petroleum jelly works fine. No need for fancy grease.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I read that story! Wow. I had no idea she was a caver. Good to keep in mind
about snow bridges over creeks. I used to cross one near Nederland quite a
bit, but usually in winter.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote:
A California caver--Marcia Rasmussen
It's actually nice that there is nothing to report. As Mal gets better and
better, she will just have regular, boring days like everyone else. :-)
Thanks for the updates, Emily. I love hearing about how Mal is doing well.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Emily McGowan emm...@gmail.com wrote:
From the story it was a water injection well into the salt dome for the
purpose of making and extracting brine. The void left by the removed salt
is what is collapsing.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote:
Salt dome: That's what I assumed it must be since it's
Yeah, Logan. I've seen that video many times now. It's pretty amazing,
isn't it?
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote:
The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at
Lake Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video
Ugh. Such horrible outcomes, both of them. :-(
But thanks for sharing the stories.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
**
But Nancy, your story isn't complete. Didn't the Arc narks try to have you
arrested for going to the cave in the first place? That has happened to
He must have gotten a spider fracture of the femur head, which I assume is
better than splitting the femur in half. Arrrgh. Anyway, hope you heal up
quickly and get back on your feet soon, Pete! An old boss of mine must have
broken three different bones at her own home as well.
On Fri, Oct 5,
That must feed into the same system that Airman's is a part of. Remember
the year Airman's had water flowing out of the wall to the left of the
entrance? I and some others went in there with masks, snorkels, and dive
lights to see where the water was coming from. Must be a lot more cave in
them
Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups.
-Tim Stich
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been
dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a
cable ladder. Blarrrgh.
-Tim
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote:
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I
That was very cool, Bill! Thanks for the link.
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
There's a short, rather surreal underground video at
http://vimeo.com/20918866. It won first prize in the video contest at
Hidden Earth 2011 (Britain's annual caving
The very act of sending money to the infernal Church of the Subgenius makes
you an ordained minister in that blasphemous faith, which as I understand
it also makes me a possible minister. I have long ago lost the
documentation, so I still retain plausible deniability. Ediger can
confirm this.
I recall that Doug Smith, aka Ivan Stang remembered you well when last I
spoke to him over e-mail in 1996 or so. You described that group as
somewhat like cavers, but into a different sort of fun.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote:
In April of 1969, just before
Oh, by successful I thought you meant consumated. I would hope to hell
so.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.comwrote:
Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave?
I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by
The UP arrow is a better graphic than the little guy with a helmet I think.
Glad they switched to that. The Gris Gris goes one better and shows the
rope path, your belaying hand, and the climber.
You'd be surprised how many experienced people get spaced out and mess up
things as well.
On Thu,
Rod gets a special pass since he set sound for the band all these years, so
he gets a shout out at TCR where no other has in the history of the party.
So if any of you expect to be mentioned in future TCRs, you should probably
take up being roadies or sound technicians.
When Ediger passes on to
Like their single slot ATC for gym climbing only that makes double rope
rappels impossible, this is yet another solution from Black Diamond looking
for a problem.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote:
Use it during a tape and compass survey and I bet you'll
It's funny how news agencies all report that the man was trapped in the
cave, which to me would indicate he had something pinning him down or that a
collapse prevented getting out of the cave. News writers really don't
appreciate that cavers are happy underground and that they put themselves
there
Theis is the types of organization that give environmentalism a bad name.
They alienate vast user groups of wilderness areas that ordinarily they
might find allies within. It's quite sickening. There's little doubt that
their agenda is purely based on selfishness.
It will eventually come bite
Wow, in the midst of all of the drug violence, propping up the corrupt new
car dealership scam by choking off the used car market supply is still
winning at the policy table. Not surprising in the least.
So glad I don't even think about driving to Mexico anymore.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:27 AM,
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money
out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine.
But for caving I would want a much tougher light.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote:
Autolite Carbide Lamp!
but it is
dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant.
In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked
well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will
work just fine.
Allan
*From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011
You still need to coat the batter compartment of a waterproof light with
grease since it will get moisture in there anyway, and that's enough for
corrosion to start. Petroleum jelly works fine. No need for fancy grease.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I read that story! Wow. I had no idea she was a caver. Good to keep in mind
about snow bridges over creeks. I used to cross one near Nederland quite a
bit, but usually in winter.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote:
A California caver--Marcia Rasmussen
I read that a few weeks back. Very interesting set of photos as well.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/sanctum-the-real-story-6322/Overview1980#tab-blog
--Mixon
Oh, this gripe still has some life left in it. Please elaborate if you feel
like it, Bill.
-Tim
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:
Mixon wrote:
The agencies are of course our government *alleged servants*, the USFS
and the NPS.
I would,
It is a great course and also a great place to do it.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
wrote:
Folks,
I saw there is a Level I Cave Rescue Operations and Management Seminar that
will be held from February 5 to 13, 2011 at Colorado Bend State Park,
Here's the trailer. I have a bad feeling about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaZHjv3ASfw
It seems to have all of the earmarks of an exploitation style hack job.
Stupid, needless bickering within the expedition group. Backwards,
Aussie-style rappelling. All that seems to be missing is the
See, the real story behind the embellished one of Sanctum would have more
than likely made a really good film. I hear that 148 Hours is also quite
good about Aaron Ralston's entrapment in the Utah slot canyon. But selling
that to a producer isn't easy.
What's nice now is that some adventurers are
That's pretty cool, Bill. I read The Darkness Beckons years ago, but
forgot a lot of the stories in it unfortunately. Most of the hair-raising
tales seemed to concern Sheck Exley, like the lava tube dive in Hawaii.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
But did it have a scene where a choice had to be made to cut the rope
because a single cam was holding three people from their deaths? Then later,
another rope had to be cut because, well, another anchor (in snow this time)
was slowly failing and this time two people had to be sacrificed to save
I see they have a folding sheath knife. Uh, kind of defeats the idea of a
knife that is rigid that you keep in a sheath. Why not just call it a lock
blade? Du.
I want my convertible hard top.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote:
WATCH OUT! My
I was under the impression that they fell, but another news report cited
hypothermia. They were in shorts and t-shirts one guy being interviewed
mentioned.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote:
Here's a local news video about the deaths in Ellisons Cave
I let Mark know that I did not rock him. No, I have retired from that
activity. Too many people get their feelings hurt.
I know. One time I went caving with Bill in Powell Cave I think it was. I
had heard about this grand jest and of the packing of rocks in unsuspecting
caver's packs. But he
Look into Pentax's W90 tough camera as well. It's got a larger aperture and
lens, so might take better pictures. It's cheaper as well, as far as I have
seen.
It's ridiculous to think any camera will take a 120 ft. fall. Sheesh. The
Olympus however can handle 200 lbs. of pressure, which is pretty
Do you think people are just losing interest in Blues music, or just that no
one wants to do this show themselves?
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote:
Nothing to do with caving, other than the fact that a lot of cavers love
music, either making it,
I always liked the explanation given to me for low grotto dues, or no dues
for that matter. One was that the avoidance of creating a fund also avoids
the political arguments over the disposition of that fund. The real mission
of the grotto is simply to exist and have meetings to socialize, spread
Damn, sorry to hear this. Could you pass along my best wishes? Thanks.
-Tim
Hydrogen sulfide gas maybe?
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:56 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
A group of 7 kids, age 10 11, ventured into a cave to explore it Monday.
It had bad air, and 6 of them died.
http://english.eastday.com/e/100217/u1a5025063.html
I presume it was a mine shaft
From the comments page on the landslide news story:
For the past 9 years I have lived a quarter mile away from where this
man-made disaster has occurred, and have watched it unfold with
predictability. I can't believe the developers claim to have no information
on what caused the problem. You
I liked that story, but it was all too short.
Given that a lot of history exists for Texas, and specifically Austin
cavers, is there any chance someone is compiling more complete stories
about guys like William?
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 8:56 PM Katherine Arens
wrote:
>
>
That Bockbeer guy reminds me of someone. Ha ha ha.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:15 AM Geary Schindel
wrote:
> Wonderful.
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing, nice laugh in the morning.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers *On Behalf Of
> *Charles
> Loving
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:11 AM
>
I just now used Bill's filter option in Gmail and I feel 100% better!
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 3:22 PM Nancy Weaver wrote:
> turns out one needs to unsubscribe twice to make it happen so in the
> meantime, am pleasantly surprised by a couple supportive posts.
> what if we return this post to a
Such a great historical account of the camp! Did anyone catch the garbage
pit-sinkhole part? Might want to look for it. It nearly sucked down a kid
back in the day!
"Several years before this campsite was used for camping, a large deep hole
on the site was used as a garbage dump. It had not been
It was very nice perusing the website to see old issues of the Nittany
Grotto magazine, which is just like the Texas Caver. I had also forgotten
about your Isuzu Trooper woes!
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 9:02 AM Crash Kennedy wrote:
> Texas cavers and others,
>
> In about 10 days we will be heading
Thanks, Bill! I read a few Death Coral Caver issues and downloaded the
Montemayor PDF.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 9:57 AM William R. Elliott
wrote:
> To the TexasCavers list and Mexico friends,
>
> Please note that the *AMCS website (Association for Mexican Cave Studies)*
> has been updated by the
Thanks for posting that, Bill. I found out about Lee here on the list when
he did the Natural Bridge Caverns climb. I'm very sorry to hear about his
passing.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:03 AM William R. Elliott
wrote:
> Bill Steele,
>
> Thanks for posting that about Lee White. Do you have a photo
Amazing story, and the new DNA technology can approximate his face without
having the skull to work with. The scoundrel murdered his wife with an axe
and then later was murdered by person(s) unknown. My bet is they used the
same axe to chop off his no good head!
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:44 AM
Terry, we need a new inane project pronto!
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:25 PM Carol W Russell
wrote:
> If there's a Map Saloon, these are perfect.But also for the Salon
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:03 PM Nancy Weaver wrote:
>
>> first place! Nancy
>>
>> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Charles
My friend here in town Roland is French and used to go caving. Forward it
to me, Bill, and I'll see if he is interested. He's retired, too, so might
have the time.
-Tim
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
I have a report on the
Wow, that would be really cool. I unsuccessfully tried to locate it back in
the 90s with directions from an issue of the Texas Caver. There was a
little map of the existing cave, too.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
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