Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[Charles Loving]

Vandalism..

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Ben Starr  wrote:

> This is a block from my best friend's house whose been caving with me many
> times.  He was out talking to some of the initial "explorers" and they
> mentioned that the speleothems were lying on the ground in the cave, I
> guess broken during the sinkhole collapse.  (Who knows if that's true or
> not?)  Too bad the cave doesn't run under HIS house!
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Charles Loving 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Heather Tucek 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-w
>>> illiamson-county/
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently someone has already been down there
>>> breaking formations:
>>> " Cambrian Environmental Services sent two scientists repelling into
>>> the cave to help map it out. A growing crowd of neighbors looked on as the
>>> scientists returned to the surface carrying a stalactite and details from
>>> the inside of the cave. "
>>>
>>> And someone else isn't up on how caves form?
>>> " “We don’t know if this could spread, we definitely don’t want
>>> children in the area,” said Andrew Johnson, president of the neighborhood
>>> HOA.
>>> "
>>>
>>> Might be worth someone in the area going to talk with the HOA to prevent
>>> people from unknowingly getting themselves in a position they need to be
>>> rescued:
>>> " “We could have a cave club, go spelunking together maybe,” Mitchell
>>> laughed. "
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[Ben Starr]

This is a block from my best friend's house whose been caving with me many
times.  He was out talking to some of the initial "explorers" and they
mentioned that the speleothems were lying on the ground in the cave, I
guess broken during the sinkhole collapse.  (Who knows if that's true or
not?)  Too bad the cave doesn't run under HIS house!

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Charles Loving 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Heather Tucek 
> wrote:
>
>> https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-
>> williamson-county/
>>
>> Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently someone has already been down there
>> breaking formations:
>> " Cambrian Environmental Services sent two scientists repelling into the
>> cave to help map it out. A growing crowd of neighbors looked on as the
>> scientists returned to the surface carrying a stalactite and details from
>> the inside of the cave. "
>>
>> And someone else isn't up on how caves form?
>> " “We don’t know if this could spread, we definitely don’t want children
>> in the area,” said Andrew Johnson, president of the neighborhood HOA.
>> "
>>
>> Might be worth someone in the area going to talk with the HOA to prevent
>> people from unknowingly getting themselves in a position they need to be
>> rescued:
>> " “We could have a cave club, go spelunking together maybe,” Mitchell
>> laughed. "
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Go find out!*
>> -Heather Tuček
>> TSA Membership Chair
>> NSS 59660
>> (512) 773-1348
>> trog...@cavechat.org
>> cbcaves.com
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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[Justin Shaw]

I’ll qualify my quip about the quality of this map to say that given it was 
produced the same day as the survey, it’s perhaps no better than I, or most, 
could produce so quickly. It’s just that as a caver I’m used to seeing higher 
quality maps, and indeed did chuckle at the wording of the standard P.G. stamp 
when viewed on such a basic map. Also, a profile and a few cross sections, of 
matching simplicity, wouldn’t have taken that long to include but would have 
added greatly to the amount of information conveyed by the map. I might have 
been overly harsh, but still smh. 


> Also, here’s a pathetic map of the cave, which Kimble laughable certifies is 
> to the best of his ability. smh 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[Bill Steele]

Is that even legal?

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Galen Falgout <galenfalg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes let’s just go in and give all the neighbors stalactites and formations. 
> Relly 
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:39 PM <grub...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>> Thats Kimble White's crew
>> 
>> From: "Justin Shaw" <jus...@oztotl.net>
>> To: "texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 3:10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?
>> 
>> Not only are they taking speleothems out of the cave, they’re handing them 
>> out as souvenirs.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 08:21, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> wrote:
>> 
>> https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-williamson-county/
>> 
>> Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently someone has already been down there 
>> breaking formations:
>> " Cambrian Environmental Services sent two scientists repelling into the 
>> cave to help map it out. A growing crowd of neighbors looked on as the 
>> scientists returned to the surface carrying a stalactite and details from 
>> the inside of the cave. "
>> 
>> And someone else isn't up on how caves form? 
>> " “We don’t know if this could spread, we definitely don’t want children in 
>> the area,” said Andrew Johnson, president of the neighborhood HOA. 
>> "
>> 
>> Might be worth someone in the area going to talk with the HOA to prevent 
>> people from unknowingly getting themselves in a position they need to be 
>> rescued: 
>> " “We could have a cave club, go spelunking together maybe,” Mitchell 
>> laughed. "
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Go find out!
>> -Heather Tuček
>> TSA Membership Chair
>> NSS 59660
>> (512) 773-1348
>> trog...@cavechat.org
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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[Galen Falgout]

Yes let’s just go in and give all the neighbors stalactites and formations.
Relly

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:39 PM <grub...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> Thats Kimble White's crew
>
> --
> *From: *"Justin Shaw" <jus...@oztotl.net>
> *To: *"texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, February 9, 2018 3:10:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?
>
> Not only are they taking speleothems out of the cave, they’re handing them
> out as souvenirs.
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 08:21, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-williamson-county/
>
> Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently someone has already been down there
> breaking formations:
> " Cambrian Environmental Services sent two scientists repelling into the
> cave to help map it out. A growing crowd of neighbors looked on as the
> scientists returned to the surface carrying a stalactite and details from
> the inside of the cave. "
>
> And someone else isn't up on how caves form?
> " “We don’t know if this could spread, we definitely don’t want children
> in the area,” said Andrew Johnson, president of the neighborhood HOA.
> "
>
> Might be worth someone in the area going to talk with the HOA to prevent
> people from unknowingly getting themselves in a position they need to be
> rescued:
> " “We could have a cave club, go spelunking together maybe,” Mitchell
> laughed. "
>
>
>
> --
> *Go find out!*
> -Heather Tuček
> TSA Membership Chair
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
> trog...@cavechat.org
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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[grubbsi]

Thats Kimble White's crew 


From: "Justin Shaw" <jus...@oztotl.net> 
To: "texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 3:10:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area? 

Not only are they taking speleothems out of the cave, they’re handing them out 
as souvenirs. 



On Feb 9, 2018, at 08:21, Heather Tucek < [ mailto:trog...@cavechat.org | 
trog...@cavechat.org ] > wrote: 




[ https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-williamson-county/ 
| https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-williamson-county/ 
] 

Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently someone has already been down there 
breaking formations: 
" Cambrian Environmental Services sent two scientists repelling into the cave 
to help map it out. A growing crowd of neighbors looked on as the scientists 
returned to the surface carrying a stalactite and details from the inside of 
the cave. " 

And someone else isn't up on how caves form? 
" “We don’t know if this could spread, we definitely don’t want children in the 
area,” said Andrew Johnson, president of the neighborhood HOA. 
" 

Might be worth someone in the area going to talk with the HOA to prevent people 
from unknowingly getting themselves in a position they need to be rescued: 
" “ We could have a cave club, go spelunking together maybe,” Mitchell laughed. 
" 



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NSS 59660 
(512) 773-1348 
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[ http://cbcaves.com/ | cbcaves.com ] 



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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[Justin Shaw]

Not only are they taking speleothems out of the cave, they’re handing them out 
as souvenirs.



> On Feb 9, 2018, at 08:21, Heather Tucek  wrote:
> 
> https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-williamson-county/
> 
> Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently someone has already been down there 
> breaking formations:
> " Cambrian Environmental Services sent two scientists repelling into the cave 
> to help map it out. A growing crowd of neighbors looked on as the scientists 
> returned to the surface carrying a stalactite and details from the inside of 
> the cave. "
> 
> And someone else isn't up on how caves form? 
> " “We don’t know if this could spread, we definitely don’t want children in 
> the area,” said Andrew Johnson, president of the neighborhood HOA. 
> "
> 
> Might be worth someone in the area going to talk with the HOA to prevent 
> people from unknowingly getting themselves in a position they need to be 
> rescued: 
> " “We could have a cave club, go spelunking together maybe,” Mitchell 
> laughed. "
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Go find out!
> -Heather Tuček
> TSA Membership Chair
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

[Geary Schindel]

Interesting story,

I saw that Kimble White works for Cambrain Environmental Services so he is 
working with the utility.

Having worked a lot of sinkhole collapse issues up in Tennessee and Kentucky, 
it would seem that the utilities ran over a cave entrance which was not 
stabilized. Movement of the fill created a crack in the water line which ran 
water into the cave – basically power washing the fill into the cave which 
resulted in the collapse. Sort of the same mechanism that forms sinkholes near 
cracks in storm and sanitary sewer lines in non karst areas.

Then again, this like auditing someone’s finances over the phone. Kind of hard 
to do without looking at it closely. Maybe Kimble will have more information.

It can be repaired if they know what they are doing. Otherwise, it will result 
in continued collapse at the site.

Geary Schindel


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Heather Tucek
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:21 AM
To: Texas Cavers 
Subject: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

https://kxan.com/2018/02/08/20-foot-deep-sinkhole-opens-in-williamson-county/
Has anyone seen this yet? Apparently someone has already been down there 
breaking formations:
" Cambrian Environmental Services sent two scientists repelling into the cave 
to help map it out. A growing crowd of neighbors looked on as the scientists 
returned to the surface carrying a stalactite and details from the inside of 
the cave. "
And someone else isn't up on how caves form?
" “We don’t know if this could spread, we definitely don’t want children in the 
area,” said Andrew Johnson, president of the neighborhood HOA.
"
Might be worth someone in the area going to talk with the HOA to prevent people 
from unknowingly getting themselves in a position they need to be rescued:
" “We could have a cave club, go spelunking together maybe,” Mitchell laughed. "


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