[tw5] Re: Filter op to access non-specific field values?

[Jed Carty]

I had a nice post about this written up but then my browser died.

The quick answer is that there isn't a direct way to do this nicely. We 
need to make it so that you can give a list of inputs and acts on a list of 
inputs. I think Jeremy had some ideas for how to implement this in the past 
but I don't know if anyone has had time to do this.

There are a few ways to work around this, they all involve nested things.

This list the values, but they are all in separate lists.
<$list filter='[[bar]fields[]prefix[foo]]' variable=fieldName>
<$list filter='[[bar]get]' variable=fieldValue>
<>




you can get them all in the same output list but it is awkward and uses 
recursion so if there are too many fields it may result in a red box of 
javascript recursion doom.

The movingOn macro has the list of values in fieldList, it can be used as a 
filter. There may be a simpler way to achieve the same thing but this is 
the first working thing I made for it.
I think that you will need to have a lot of fields listed before there are 
any problems with recursion, but it is possible.

\define recursiveDoom()
<$list variable=fieldName filter='[enlistfirst[]]' 
emptyMessage=<>>
  <$set filter='[hasget]' name=fieldValue>
<$set name=fieldList filter='[enlistappend]'>
  <$set name=fieldNames filter="""[enlist] 
-[]""">
<>
  

  

\end


\define movingOn()
Here you get everything as a single list
<>
\end

<$vars prefix=foo tiddler=bar>
  <$set name=fieldList value=''>
<$set filter='[fields[]prefix]' name=fieldNames>
  <$set name=first filter='[enlistfirst[]]'>
<$set name=last filter='[enlistlast[]]'>
  <>

  

  



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[tw5] Filter op to access non-specific field values?

[Mat]

...fields[]prefix[foo]

...but then; How do I get the *values *from those fields?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Page number in the bottom-middle of tiddler

[Mohammad]

Thank you Tony! The auto width did the job!

Best

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 4:53:51 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I have used html tables with three columns, one row and then Left centre 
> and Right Justify the text in the cells, these can be given 33% width (or 
> variations there of.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:43:04 PM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> This works
>>  left:45%; width:autho;
>>
>> or left:50%
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 5:33:27 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mohammad,
>>>
>>> How is it if you add "width: 10%; left: 45%;" ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried to have a page number in the bottom of tiddler (5px above 
 tiddler frame) 

 .td-footer {
  background-color:#000;color:#fff;display:inline-block;text-
  align:center;
  position:absolute;
  font-size:0.5em !important;
  font-weight:700;
  border-radius:50%;
  padding:8px;
  bottom:5px;margin: 0 auto;
 }



 The number is shown at the bottom left of tiddler, I tried margin: 0 
 auto, but it does not work!
 I appreciate to take a look ne let me know how I can do this!


 !! NOTE
 I use a macro to read the tiddler filed called "page-number" and then 
 style it with .td-footer

>>>

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Re: [tw5] (Warning, long post) - I've been using TW for three years. Here's my usage story.

[Enneco Gotzon]

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Shay Shaked  wrote:

> There are few other areas in my life that are somewhat similar to me,
> where I feel kind of at home.
>

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[tw5] (Warning, long post) - I've been using TW for three years. Here's my usage story.

[TonyM]

Shay,

Thanks for sharing. It is wonderful to hear others respecting tiddlywiki and 
the community as I do.

I will not go into solution mode at this point and suggest I think most of you 
desired outcomes are possible now if not once a few mature a little more.

I now run more than 20 tw5 instances because I have maintained and developed 
appropriate seperation and sharing tools. But many related to building 
solutions that are multiuse.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Idea/Request: A command line interface for TW

[Diego Mesa]

Hello all,

I recently came across this Memo tool:

https://github.com/mattn/memo

and thought something like that would be a great interface to TW (there is 
a gif showing terminal usage of the tool). I've tried to hack something 
like this together in the past with my scripts to create a tiddler from the 
command line and even watch a directory to create a tiddler when a new PDF 
is placed in the directory.

Anyway, I think this might be a cool idea/interface to quickly 
adding/searching tiddlers from the CL.




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[tw5] (Warning, long post) - I've been using TW for three years. Here's my usage story.

[Shay Shaked]

Hi. My Name is Shay and I'm am a digital archivist. Or so I think. 

For the last month or so, I've been Brainstorming and SelfTalking about 
project planning, ToDos, and information archiving. I've been trying out, 
again, different applications and platforms. Some I tried for a day or two, 
some I just bit into and spat out, leaving behind a trail of semi-eaten 
productivity muffins. It's not the first time, or the second, or the third, 
this happens. As a matter of fact, my partners agree that I "live my life 
through apps" and they gave up keeping up with me, even though I seemed to 
have calmed down quite a bit recently. I have, partly because of TW and 
partly because of my demanding job in IT, which often bites into my late 
afternoons and weekends and leave me too drained to deal with even more 
digital information at home. 

TW has been a rock in a stormy sea of apps. It's been the one constant 
software where I keep the most information about myself and what I do. 
Never before I had such a rich place that save so much of my own 
information, not even my handwritten journals (since journaling in itself 
used to be a part of TW, now separated). 

If I had to guess what's at the heart of the restlessness of looking for 
other things (besides the fact that I probably have some form of ADD or 
another, this is also from other tell-tell signs and self-observation), 
it's the fact that I can't use it for *everything. *For example, a big 
chunk of functionality is missing because I can't use it on my phone. Yes, 
I know of the Android app, and I also think it's terrible next to the "real 
thing"- mostly because the phone, for me, is no place to sit down and write 
informative tiddlers with all that they require (Linux script to 
auto-resize and manipulate images so they fit well in tiddlers; tabs open 
of different topics and things I'm looking into, including this group; 
endless river of tiddlers reflecting on topic at hand; my journal...). It 
has never been a good ToDo list tool for me as a result, and, while a great 
place to *save *information, I find it rather inadequate in *capturing 
*information 
quickly and in raw form, something I usee Google Keep and the like right 
now. This I write not as a form of criticism or as a statement of problems 
with it, no. It is simply me mentioning what it can't do for me, just like 
you can't expect a big car to be good to travel in small always. It's not 
meant for it. It will get stuck and ruined. 

But like Rome, I find peace in the notion that all roads lead to 
TiddlyWiki. By that I mean, no matter how I capture information, it always 
ends in TW -- edited and formatted and *organized* correctly. I just wish I 
could get to it - and to my peace of mind - more often. TW takes time, it 
takes sitting down on your behind, sorting through the journal, bits of 
notes, sometimes even physical paper (I also use OneNote at work as 
infodump, slowly pulling information from it to my own personal TW). It 
takes work: mental stamina and time which I too often find that I don't 
have enough. But, when I do sit down and "translate" something from say 
work to TiddlyWiki-ish, explaining a problem in a third-person and breaking 
it down to its part, I really find that I enjoy myself. I sometimes catch 
myself hum doing it, then look at my work, and whisper "There. Now it's 
written like it should." There's nothing quite like it. 

Here, in this group, I find people who understand how this feels. This is 
why I'm writing this long post. The sense of community here, unknown to the 
most of the world, connected by the love of sorting out information, a 
bunch of us geeks sit around and tell each other TW stories around our 
digital campfire. There are few other areas in my life that are somewhat 
similar to me, where I feel kind of at home. Not once have I wondered, how 
come is it that this one app has been around so long, in this form, and 
it's still such a sweet secret very few will ever know. I think I'm 
actually learning to like it. 

It's likely if you read this post, you'd want to suggest tools you use. 
Perhaps DoItNow right here in TW, perhaps some app out there like Todoist 
or TaskWarrior (depends on your preference), but trust me when I say, I 
think I tested them all. My list of apps here is probably around 50 
different names and titles. Don't feed my obsession. Instead, I'd really 
like to hear your stories again. These always inspire me the most. How have 
you been using TiddlyWiki? What's your style? How do you sort information 
and how do you organize your ToDos in a way that makes sense to you? If 
your TW is something you can share, please do! I'd love to see it. If not, 
don't worry about it. Ideally I'd like to collect these stories in - where 
else - my own TW. 

Thank you for reading. I hope it was somewhat enjoyable... 



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Re: [tw5] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

[Diego Mesa]

Hey Mario,

I've updated my node TW to 5.1.17 and everything seems to be working great! 
Thanks!

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:10:25 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 5:23:30 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mario,
>> Just checking back up on this!
>>
>
> Sorry for the delay. .. The fix should be active with the new version of 
> TW on Saturday. 
>
> -m
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Re: [tw5] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

[PMario]

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 5:51:17 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> I've updated my node TW to 5.1.17 and everything seems to be working 
> great! Thanks!
>

Cool!

We introduced a bug with some new "is" filter extensions in 5.1.16. 
They have been removed for 5.1.17 for further testing. In combination with 
a "fragile" assumption in the alias code, it caused problems.

Next time, we will have to do more testing :)

-m

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[tw5] Re: How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

[Birthe C]

Hi,
Earlier on 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/bSwzQSrExMg/4kx8F1G9BAAJ you 
described how you tried to do your tiddlyspot update. You did it exactly 
the same way I use. It works for me (using Chromium).

Birthe

mandag den 14. maj 2018 kl. 20.56.47 UTC+2 skrev Lost Admin:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
> the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
> a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
> would I find those instructions?
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Stobot]

Ed / Jed,

I just tested it on my end and when I just swapped out the executable I had 
the same experience with the 0.0.0.0 not "sticking". However when I started 
it in a *new* folder / renamed existing IndexWiki folder, then it worked 
properly - hopefully that helps Jed debug. I'm going to assume that when a 
new version comes out, I'll have to set things up fresh and then import 
.tid files in manually after the fact. 

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 4:45:46 PM UTC-4, Ed wrote:
>
> Dear Jed,
>
> During the daytime I was at the office and installed the new 64bit version 
> on my computer.
> That went not without a hitch. I followed standard procedure. I set the 
> host to 
> *0.0.0.0*Stopped the server and restarted*. *But the host as it were 
> sprang back to 
> *127.0.0.1*Also the host with server info was the same and not changed to
> * 0.0.0.0*That is what is supposed to happenisn't it?
> Of course I updated the settings.
> I''ll try again tomorrow and see what happens, maybe I did do something 
> wrong.
>
> Secondly, when I deleted a tiddler and refreshed the deleted tiddler was 
> again in the Recent tab.
> Stopping restarting remedied this. Somebody else mentioned this also I 
> think, but not sure.
>
> Working together over the network was great. I found out that when 
> somebody was editing a tiddler 
> that same tiddler appeared on my screen with a lock icon. As soon as my 
> colleague finished editing
> the lock changed to Save on my screen; Works beautifully instantly. Great.
> Are there any other moments when one can expect a lock icon, perhaps.
>
> With regard to the presentation I created a Comments tiddler, with the 
> clone icon. Two of us cloned that
> tiddler at the same time and we both had a new tiddler. Told of course 
> that the new titles must be different.
> Hope that this will work. Keep testing through this week.
> Any way Jed, douze points!!
> Cordialement! Ed
>
>
>
> Op zondag 13 mei 2018 20:49:34 UTC+2 schreef Jed Carty:
>>
>> It looks like there is a bug where if you create a new folder in and put 
>> a new .tid file inside that folder it isn't found until a server restart. I 
>> haven't had any trouble creating tiddlers in folders that already existed 
>> and have at least one .tid file in them.
>>
>> One thing to watch out for is that one side effect of the file system 
>> monitor is if a .tid file has a title listed that doesn't match the file 
>> name it will rename the file. This may behave strangely if you save a file 
>> without a title field or a blank title field.
>>
>> It also looks like renaming a tiddler by changing the title in the .tid 
>> file doesn't remove the old version from the browser.
>>
>> So there is still work to be done in terms of handling name changes and 
>> folders.
>>
>> This may never be finished.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] (Warning, long post) - I've been using TW for three years. Here's my usage story.

[Shay Shaked]

Hey Tony,

I see you're active here especially recently. Thank you for the feedback.
If you do have any Todo systems you can share (just tell me what works for
you) please do!

Thanks for reading.

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> Shay,
>
> Thanks for sharing. It is wonderful to hear others respecting tiddlywiki
> and the community as I do.
>
> I will not go into solution mode at this point and suggest I think most of
> you desired outcomes are possible now if not once a few mature a little
> more.
>
> I now run more than 20 tw5 instances because I have maintained and
> developed appropriate seperation and sharing tools. But many related to
> building solutions that are multiuse.
>
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: Announcing the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.17

[Ed]

Hi Jeremy,

Have been using heavily Jed's Bob lately and it worked over my little 
network at home
One of the computers is a rather old Mac, the one with screen on a movable 
arm, inside
a G4 Powerprocessor with TenFourFox, you probably know of course, a 
specially adapted
FireFox for working with the PowerProcessor.
Your TW5 displays!! Takes some time to ingest the info, but the TW pops up 
at the screen
and I can use your software over the network. Which new software could do 
that, I ask you!
For you also Douze Points.
Cordialement, Ed
= = = = = = = = =
PS
Old version of PhotoShop (2008) also still working and regularly used. 8-))
.
.

Op zaterdag 12 mei 2018 13:39:05 UTC+2 schreef Jeremy Ruston:
>
> I’m delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.17:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> There are several important bug fixes and some minor improvements:
>
>- Fixed incorrect location of the plugin library
>- Fixed problems with the “new journal” button overwriting data under 
>some circumstances
>- Fixed some problems with Etag handling with the WebDAV saver
>- Fixed animation timing problem with the reveal widget
>- Improved usability of the “red screen of embarrassment”
>- Added support for integral metadata in CSS files
>
> You can upgrade your existing single file wikis at: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html
>
> As usual, please exercise caution when working with an upgrade, and take 
> care to take plenty of backups.
>
> Finally, I’d like the thank everyone who contributed to this release:
>
> • @BramChen
> • @BurningTreeC
> • @danielo515
> • @icarito
> • @ldorigo
> • @mklauber
> • @sukima
> • @tobibeer
> • @twMat
>
> Feel free to leave any comments or questions here.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw5] Re: Minimal Ruby Server

[Jim]

Cool, thanks.

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 6:39:49 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I've made a PR:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3277
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 7:32:49 AM UTC-7, Jim wrote:
>>
>> > You should add this as a PR as saver #21 at TiddlyWiki.com
>>
>> I'm not against it, but have no idea.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Ed]

Dear Jed,

During the daytime I was at the office and instaaled the new 64bit version 
on my computer.
That went not without a hitch. I followed standard procedure. I set the 
host to 
*0.0.0.0*Stopped the server and restarted*. *But the host as it were sprang 
back to 
*127.0.0.1*Also the host with server info was the same and not changed to
* 0.0.0.0*That is what is supposed to happenisn't it?
Of course I updated the settings.
I''ll try again tomorrow and see what happens, maybe I did do something 
wrong.

Secondly, when I deleted a tiddler and refreshed the deleted tiddler was 
again in the Recent tab.
Stopping restarting remedied this. Somebody else mentioned this also I 
think, but not sure.

Working together over the network was great. I found out that when somebody 
was editing a tiddler 
that same tiddler appeared on my screen with a lock icon. As soon as my 
colleague finished editing
the locj disappeared on my screen; Great.
Are ther any other moments when one can expect a lock icon, perhaps.

With regard to the presentation I created a Comments tiddler, with the 
clone icon. Two of us cloned that
tiddler at the same time and we both had a new tiddler. Told of course that 
the new titles must be different.
Hope that this will work. Keep testing through this week.
Any way Jed, douze points!!
Cordialement! Ed



Op zondag 13 mei 2018 20:49:34 UTC+2 schreef Jed Carty:
>
> It looks like there is a bug where if you create a new folder in and put a 
> new .tid file inside that folder it isn't found until a server restart. I 
> haven't had any trouble creating tiddlers in folders that already existed 
> and have at least one .tid file in them.
>
> One thing to watch out for is that one side effect of the file system 
> monitor is if a .tid file has a title listed that doesn't match the file 
> name it will rename the file. This may behave strangely if you save a file 
> without a title field or a blank title field.
>
> It also looks like renaming a tiddler by changing the title in the .tid 
> file doesn't remove the old version from the browser.
>
> So there is still work to be done in terms of handling name changes and 
> folders.
>
> This may never be finished.
>

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[tw5] Re: How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

[Lost Admin]

It's not working for me. I don't have Chromium.

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 3:32:52 PM UTC-4, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Earlier on 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/bSwzQSrExMg/4kx8F1G9BAAJ you 
> described how you tried to do your tiddlyspot update. You did it exactly 
> the same way I use. It works for me (using Chromium).
>
> Birthe
>
> mandag den 14. maj 2018 kl. 20.56.47 UTC+2 skrev Lost Admin:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
>> the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
>> a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
>> would I find those instructions?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Minimal Ruby Server

[Jim]

Sorry Tony I don't have the knowledge to help with that.  I agree with Mark 
- I would only use it locally and as-needed, shutting it down when you no 
longer need it. 


On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 8:29:38 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> My cpanel account permits the use of Ruby on Rails. Can you possibly 
> provide guidence on using this to serve tiddlywiki files that can be saved?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW in Public -- "Tomb Of Horrors"

[Mark Thomas]

Diego - Tomb of Horrors is a classic module for the role-playing game 
Dungeons and Dragons. This is not really a standalone game to play. Rather, 
it's a guide a game master would use to run a game for several players (and 
a good example of TiddlyWiki for gaming).

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 4:00:07 PM UTC-4, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> This is wonderful - how do I begin "playing"?
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 2:46:59 PM UTC-5, Andy Pastuszak wrote:
>>
>> Wow, that's very nice!  Grabbed a copy before the WoTC lawyers make it go 
>> away.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 6:27:01 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> A TW from a DesignWriteStudio student ...
>>>
>>> Tomb Of Horrors ... http://tombofhorrors.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>>>
>>> If you want to comment go here: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/designwrite/VAI9zoJOCg4
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[PMario]

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 7:58:23 PM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
 

> There are some small JavaScript library for shortcut keys, is there any 
> way to import such library in TiddlyWiki?
>

It's not trivial.

The biggest problem is, that we use transclusions everywhere. ... eg: If 
you dynamically create buttons, that have keys assigned, they can be 
created several times. .. So it's hard to decide (for a program), which 
button should be triggered ... 

TiddlyWiki has an existing key-handling mechanism. We are currently 
exploring the possibilities. see: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3273

-m 

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[tw5] How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

[Lost Admin]

Hi all,

I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
would I find those instructions?

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[tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[Mohammad]

@BurningThreeC

I checked the accessKey in Wizrd-Wizrd Demo by Jed and it works, but the 
drawback is it does not support the arrow keys or page+Up/Down.

There are some small JavaScript library for shortcut keys, is there any way 
to import such library in TiddlyWiki?

/Best


On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 12:24:44 AM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> do I need to give a special tag to this "$:/config/accessKey/new-journal   
>> tiddler?
>>
>>>
>>>
> No, you only need to edit $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal and change the 
> <$button ...> to <$button ... 
> accessKey={{$:/config/accessKey/new-journal}}> if it's not already there
> also, to be able to access the new-journal button it must be visible in 
> the sidebar on top below the site title and site subtitle (in the sidebar - 
> tools - check the checkbox for new journal)
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[tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[Mohammad]

I may propose to have a plugin as shortcut keys
some library available to be used are:

https://github.com/jaywcjlove/hotkeys
https://github.com/ccampbell/mousetrap
https://dmauro.github.io/Keypress/




On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 10:28:23 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> @BurningThreeC
>
> I checked the accessKey in Wizrd-Wizrd Demo by Jed and it works, but the 
> drawback is it does not support the arrow keys or page+Up/Down.
>
> There are some small JavaScript library for shortcut keys, is there any 
> way to import such library in TiddlyWiki?
>
> /Best
>
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 12:24:44 AM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> do I need to give a special tag to this 
>>> "$:/config/accessKey/new-journal   tiddler?
>>>


>> No, you only need to edit $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal and change the 
>> <$button ...> to <$button ... 
>> accessKey={{$:/config/accessKey/new-journal}}> if it's not already there
>> also, to be able to access the new-journal button it must be visible in 
>> the sidebar on top below the site title and site subtitle (in the sidebar - 
>> tools - check the checkbox for new journal)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Bob version 1.0.0 Sourdough (formerly MultiUser)

[Mohammad]

Jed
I use Bob 32bit on win10 and chrome 56.
When l change the pallet a tiddler is created with the name of selected pallet 
as text filed, but in tiddlywiki, you just see a blink and still the old pallet 
is used. What is wrong here? Saving and reloading does not resolve the issue.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Modified field display

[TonyM]

Marks answer leads you to a highly customisable solution.

A Quick alternative is to transclude the datefield(s) as below

{{!!modified}}

{{!!created}}

As I understand it this behaviour of converting the date field to a full 
date and time string is a "side effect" of other code in the core and it 
will not work on other date fields.

Regards
Tony


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>
> Perfect! That has done it. Mark, thank you very much.
>>
>> 0 Links
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Minimal Python Server (was Re: Minimal Ruby Server)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Oh snap -- method #22.

Does using 0.0.0.0 expose server to the entire local web (in which case 
there is a coffee-house danger) ?

Thanks!
Mark

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 8:16:45 PM UTC-7, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>
> That's fun! I've been experimenting with supporting Tiddlywiki and 
> integrating parts of it with my Python application.
>
> I've found that in Python you can use the WsgiDAV library to serve single 
> file TiddlyWikis very nicely.
>
> All you need to do is install wsgidav library:
>
> pip install wsgidav
> # or pip install --user wsgidav
>
>
> After that you can run:
>
> wsgidav --host=0.0.0.0 --server wsgiref --port=80 
> --root=/path/to/your/tiddlywiki/
>
>
> You can also use it to integrate into an existing web app or building 
> something else. Here's the documentation 
> .
>
> Use the latest Tiddlywiki with the fixes for WebDAV or the wsgidav from 
> git to avoid 412 errors.
>
> Hope it's useful to someone.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
>
> El sábado, 12 de mayo de 2018, 9:32:45 (UTC-5), Jim escribió:
>>
>> I use Ruby and so always have it installed. If you do too, here's a 
>> minimal server using Ruby Webrick. It just serves up files from the same 
>> folder and handles saving. 
>>
>> Once running, just point yor web browser at localhost:8000 to view the 
>> folder listing, and click on your wiki html file.
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/jimfoltz/ee791c1bdd30ce137bc23cce826096da
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[Mohammad]

@PMario,
 Could this mechanism possible to be used in zoomin storyview?
In that case, we have only one tiddler visible at a time, the problem is 
only with tranclusion!

/Mohammad

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 11:26:08 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 7:58:23 PM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>  
>
>> There are some small JavaScript library for shortcut keys, is there any 
>> way to import such library in TiddlyWiki?
>>
>
> It's not trivial.
>
> The biggest problem is, that we use transclusions everywhere. ... eg: If 
> you dynamically create buttons, that have keys assigned, they can be 
> created several times. .. So it's hard to decide (for a program), which 
> button should be triggered ... 
>
> TiddlyWiki has an existing key-handling mechanism. We are currently 
> exploring the possibilities. see: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3273
>
> -m 
>

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[tw5] Tiddlywiki Slideshow Presentation edition / tools/ pluging

[Mohammad]

Based on @TonyM idea I appreciate all people in this group to help 
collecting all TW resources on the application of Tiddlywiki for 
presentation and slisw sow.
This can be later used in the @TonyM resource collection.


I have listed below those I have found from this forum. Please complete




   - *TalkyTalky*:
   https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/
   - *Showroom:*  
http://showroom.tiddlyspot.com/
   - *WizardWizard:*  
   https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/WizardWizard/
   - *SlidesnStories (presnter):*  
http://slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com/#About

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Re: [tw5] Re: Minimal Python Server (was Re: Minimal Ruby Server)

[Sebastian Silva]

Yes I should've mentioned that - you can use 127.0.0.1 to just use it
yourself.

I don't remember which is the default.

Regards,

Sebastian


On 14/05/18 23:24, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote:
> Oh snap -- method #22.
>
> Does using 0.0.0.0 expose server to the entire local web (in which
> case there is a coffee-house danger) ?
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 8:16:45 PM UTC-7, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>
> That's fun! I've been experimenting with supporting Tiddlywiki and
> integrating parts of it with my Python application.
>
> I've found that in Python you can use the WsgiDAV library to serve
> single file TiddlyWikis very nicely.
>
> All you need to do is install wsgidav library:
>
> pip install wsgidav
> # or pip install --user wsgidav
>
>
> After that you can run:
>
> wsgidav --host=0.0.0.0 --server wsgiref --port=80 
> --root=/path/to/your/tiddlywiki/
>
>
> You can also use it to integrate into an existing web app or
> building something else. Here's the documentation
> .
>
> Use the latest Tiddlywiki with the fixes for WebDAV or the wsgidav
> from git to avoid 412 errors.
>
> Hope it's useful to someone.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
>
> El sábado, 12 de mayo de 2018, 9:32:45 (UTC-5), Jim escribió:
>
> I use Ruby and so always have it installed. If you do too,
> here's a minimal server using Ruby Webrick. It just serves up
> files from the same folder and handles saving.
>
> Once running, just point yor web browser at localhost:8000 to
> view the folder listing, and click on your wiki html file.
>
> https://gist.github.com/jimfoltz/ee791c1bdd30ce137bc23cce826096da
> 
>
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Re: [tw5] (Warning, long post) - I've been using TW for three years. Here's my usage story.

[TonyM]

Shay,

I cant give you a strait forward answer of ToDo lists because I am between 
Versions and wikis at the moment. My to do lists exist in me bespoke 
evolved TiddlyWiki classic where I built my own from parts.

Search at TiddlyWEiki.com for GTD (Get things done) Task or Todo, and also 
review https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM The TiddlyWiki 
Toolmap of Davids

I plan to build a site for task management solutions in tiddlywiki in time 
(with the communities help)

My Own approach?

Tasks and to do  lists belong in some way in every TiddlyWiki I make so I 
am working to build a generic todo list method. I often just create a 
tiddler called tasks and use new hear to make a list of tasks, given I want 
the items that I complete hidden from the list I have introduced a basic 
set of date/time fields item-started item-cancelled and Item-completed if 
item-started field exists I regard the tiddler as having "disposition 
management", and a menu appears (Using the MyMenus Plugin) with a filter 
such as has:field[item-started] that provide the ability to click and time 
stamp any of the three fields. My Menus is my own plugin (first release) 
found at https://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au/mymenus/

Best of luck
Tony


On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 6:16:50 AM UTC+10, Shay Shaked wrote:
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> I see you're active here especially recently. Thank you for the feedback. 
> If you do have any Todo systems you can share (just tell me what works for 
> you) please do! 
>
> Thanks for reading. 
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018, 09:28 TonyM  
> wrote:
>
>> Shay,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing. It is wonderful to hear others respecting tiddlywiki 
>> and the community as I do.
>>
>> I will not go into solution mode at this point and suggest I think most 
>> of you desired outcomes are possible now if not once a few mature a little 
>> more.
>>
>> I now run more than 20 tw5 instances because I have maintained and 
>> developed appropriate seperation and sharing tools. But many related to 
>> building solutions that are multiuse.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
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[tw5] Re: How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

[Mohammad]

@Birthe
 I have posted a question on showroom, I appreciate to have a look!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/w0M1aJs4bJE/Q4_6MngLBQAJ

/Mohammad

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 12:02:52 AM UTC+4:30, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Earlier on 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/bSwzQSrExMg/4kx8F1G9BAAJ you 
> described how you tried to do your tiddlyspot update. You did it exactly 
> the same way I use. It works for me (using Chromium).
>
> Birthe
>
> mandag den 14. maj 2018 kl. 20.56.47 UTC+2 skrev Lost Admin:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
>> the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
>> a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
>> would I find those instructions?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Twitter -- Computational Notebooks in TW? ...

[TonyM]

Cool Links Evan,

Since before personal computers existed I have dreamed of what computers 
could be capable of. In the education and learning space I expected to see 
beautiful representations of complex processes and systems we could play 
with and thus gain a much deeper understanding. Sadly this is very uncommon 
and learning has not made much use of computers to this day. Many examples 
are quite pathetic and not much more than PDF versions :) your examples and 
work seem to me to be finally moving in the direction I expected as a 
somewhat naive 11 year old. So sad we still don't have something an 11 year 
old imagined 30+ years ago.

If someone believes computers have improved the way we learn to a great 
extent, I would like to suggests it is only because they have a lack of 
imagination.

Nice Work
Tony

On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 4:20:11 AM UTC+10, Evan Balster wrote:
>
> Hello, all —
>
> Regarding what I mean by "computational notebooks" and why I took the time 
> to write a robust math plugin:
>
> I think it's really valuable to be able to interactively model information 
> as part of a note-taking and problem-solving process.  TiddlyWiki was 
> already very good at doing this for qualitative information, so I made 
> effort to round out those capabilities for quantitative information.  My 
> plugin is "spreadsheet-like" because information auto-refreshes like 
> anything else in a TiddlyWiki.  I never actually implemented a spreadsheet 
> UI for it.  Why would I? — tiddlers and fields already work like rows and 
> columns.
>
> I'm a C++ programmer (8 years full-time experience including compiler 
> design, DSP, rendering engines, multithreading), but I don't think 
> imperative languages like C++ or Python are ideal for what I call 
> "computational notetaking".  This is because it takes substantial mental 
> effort to design the execution flow, state management and data structures 
> in an imperative language, and this means breaking away from the topic of 
> the notetaking.  People who use spreadsheets don't think of themselves as 
> programmers because they don't have to do that kind of juggling, but it's 
> possible to design extremely complicated software in that environment.  The 
> key difference is that you can focus on one small element at a time without 
> getting tangled up in the architecture of your program.  Less cognitive 
> load there means more sustained attention toward understanding a problem 
> which may already be straining one's cognitive faculties — and as somebody 
> who gets into that situation often with my research, I think that has the 
> potential to expand my capability to think and solve complex problems.
>
> As much as I've discussed improving TiddlyWiki's scalability, I don't 
> think computational notetaking tools must be useful for designing 
> applications or scalable software.  "Notebook" implies to me that the 
> contents might exist for the sole benefit of the person using it, and that 
> the information is easy to pass around.
>
>
> (For more on the "interactive modeling" I'm talking about, look into 
> explorable 
> explanations .  I've designed many interactive 
> models for my own use with imperative languages, and have prototyped some 
> explorables 
> 
>  
> with my plugin.)
>
>
> On Saturday, 12 May 2018 12:56:52 UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> "It pairs the functionality of word processing 
>>  software with both the 
>> shell  and kernel 
>>  of that 
>> notebook's programming language 
>> ."
>>
>> That sounds a lot like TW. TW would need a math plugin to easily get to 
>> the "computational" part. Possibly a platform for students or fieldworkers 
>> collecting data.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 10:33:53 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> If you wondering what a "Computational Notebook" is and what the current 
>>> enthusiasm about them is about, read ...
>>>
>>> 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notebook_interface ... which shows 
>>> the idea is not new, and immediately you can see that TW can be that ...
>>>
>>> 2 - https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01676633/document ... a very 
>>> good academic text about them.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: what's the keyboard shortcut for new tiddler???

[Mohammad]

Thanks Pmario
I read the pull request and discussions there.
One question, it seems support for accesskey will be dropped for HTML5 
standard, also different browsers react differently to accesskey, so don't you 
think a JavaScript solution maybe be a better solution in long time?

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[tw5] Minimal Python Server (was Re: Minimal Ruby Server)

[Sebastian Silva]

That's fun! I've been experimenting with supporting Tiddlywiki and 
integrating parts of it with my Python application.

I've found that in Python you can use the WsgiDAV library to serve single 
file TiddlyWikis very nicely.

All you need to do is install wsgidav library:

pip install wsgidav
# or pip install --user wsgidav


After that you can run:

wsgidav --host=0.0.0.0 --server wsgiref --port=80 
--root=/path/to/your/tiddlywiki/


You can also use it to integrate into an existing web app or building 
something else. Here's the documentation 
.

Use the latest Tiddlywiki with the fixes for WebDAV or the wsgidav from git 
to avoid 412 errors.

Hope it's useful to someone.

Regards,
Sebastian


El sábado, 12 de mayo de 2018, 9:32:45 (UTC-5), Jim escribió:
>
> I use Ruby and so always have it installed. If you do too, here's a 
> minimal server using Ruby Webrick. It just serves up files from the same 
> folder and handles saving. 
>
> Once running, just point yor web browser at localhost:8000 to view the 
> folder listing, and click on your wiki html file.
>
> https://gist.github.com/jimfoltz/ee791c1bdd30ce137bc23cce826096da
>
>
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[tw5] TiddlyWiki "Objects" - Please contribute

[TonyM]

Folks,

I would like to identify all the possible "Objects" that relate to 
tiddlywiki to assist me in creating an effective tiddlywiki resource;

Here are the ones I have so far

   - Code Snipits
   - Discussions (eg Google Group)
   - Editions
   - Showcase ? (Example TiddlyWiki not an official edition)
   - Macros
   - Plugins
   - Themes
   - StyleSheets
   - TiddlyWikis
   - Menus
   - Buttons
   - Widgets
   - Filters
   - Solutions

Please let me know of any others you think of


As with my Recent Posts TiddlyWiki Focused Solution Areas - Please 
contribute 
 and 
TiddlyWiki 
Focused Designer areas - Please contribute 
 I am 
continuing to develop a way of curating TiddlyWiki knowledge .

I will not be revealing my proposal publicly until I have a Showcase to 
demonstrate. However if you are keen, do contact me with a Private Message. 
WordPress, TiddlyWiki and or Enterprise social experience are all in the 
mix along with online community development experience.

Regards
Tony


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Re: [tw5] TW Twitter -- Computational Notebooks in TW? ...

[Sebastian Silva]

Thanks for those wonderful examples! I look forward to doing some similar 
things as the premise in my project is learning programming by playing!

Today I found the following project which is inspired in Jupyter but uses 
Javascript:

https://beta.observablehq.com/collection/introduction

It immediately made me think of TiddlyWiki - but I'm not sure how it would 
fit in. Perhaps as a way to edit tiddlers that is not split-screen.

Regards,
Sebastian

El sábado, 12 de mayo de 2018, 12:45:06 (UTC-5), Andreas Hahn escribió:
>
> Well, 
> In my opinion TW is ill-suited as a computational notebook and the 
> already established solution in the Form of Jupyter is more than up to 
> the task. The only think I can see happen is TW having an interface to 
> the Jupyter Kernels, but even then, it doesn't quite fit TW's model. 
> The main problems seem to be: 
>
> - TW has a monolithic design, whereas for a computational notebook, the 
> Jupyter kernel <-> Interface divide serves it very well as you can 
> detach computation from the code/notes and therefore scale things much 
> better and work with different languages. For TW all I could think of 
> here would be WebWorkers. 
>
> - TW has a limit on data size. Nowadays, most datasets, no matter how 
> small are already larger than what TW might be able to handle, so they 
> would have to be in an external file/files either way. 
>
> So while I can see it being nice to have TW as an interface where your 
> results get stored and commands are issued, I don't quite see it play 
> out any of its advantages in this field and think TW's architecture puts 
> both hurdles and limitations on what you would be able to do. 
>
> /Andreas 
>

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