[tw] End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread SteveM
I've been playing around with TW and I have some ideas for niche applications. However I need to learn js to tie pieces together. Given my relative naivete with html/js, my question is how to protect the content? Can an app or app functions of a TW be compiled? Are there other ways to encrypt

[tw] Re: How do I display a long tiddler at the top?

2009-01-10 Thread Daniel Baird
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:15 AM, bwallum r...@btconnect.com wrote: Hi I'm trying to open a long list of tiddlers from a table. I can do this but it displays at the bottom of the list. How can I set the table to display at the top of the list please? I don't quite follow. I think you're

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread FND
Given my relative naivete with html/js, my question is how to protect the content? Can an app or app functions of a TW be compiled? Are there other ways to encrypt html/js source code? If there aren't, then I suppose I won't try. There are ways to compress/obfuscate JavaScript code - but

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread Daniel Baird
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM, SteveM sbma...@comcast.net wrote: I've been playing around with TW and I have some ideas for niche applications. However I need to learn js to tie pieces together. Given my relative naivete with html/js, my question is how to protect the content? Can an

[tw] Up-to-date instructions on how in install TagglyTagging available?

2009-01-10 Thread HeX
Whilst trying a nice plugin from FND today I noticed that all my MPTW Plugins where quite outdated. As I've probably added them to my (d3)TW at 2.1 version times I thought to make it propper and removed all MPTW Plugins first. Well the only reason I've got MPTW stuff installed is that I really

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread Eric Shulman
Given my relative naivete with html/js, my question is how to protect the content?  Can an app or app functions of a TW be compiled?  Are there other ways to encrypt html/js source code? Keep in mind that TW was built as an open source project, and the ability to create a 'closed source'

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread SteveM
To Both, Thanks for your replies. I understand what you are saying. You look at TW as a labor of love. And I really appreciate the great work that Jeremy and all of the plug-in developers have done. My take on it is more pragmatic. Apps get developed when there's money in it. It seems like

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread FND
You look at TW as a labor of love. [...] Apps get developed when there's money in it. It seems like a tension exists in the open-source community because profit is made to be a bad thing. That's not correct. While there are some people in the FOSS community who regard making money as

[tw] Re: How do I display a long tiddler at the top?

2009-01-10 Thread bob
Thanks for the response. It's probably best explained by showing you the problem. The TW is at http://www.ettrickvillagehall.org/CommunitySurvey2008.html If you select Results Part One from the MainMenu you are presented with a table of topics, each topic has a link which gathers together all

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread Xavier Vergés
I think that what others have suggested is that they understand that it would lead to a healthier and longer lasting relationship with your customer if you sell him (and charge accordingly) the template and the freedom to use the template however they want (that would probably include buying

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread Eric Shulman
Re: Social engineering.  Well you guys are demonizing me for what appears to be a pretty legitimate question and line of inquiry. I did not mean to imply that there's anything 'demonic' about either you or your question... there is, however, a distinctly different economic model for

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread Xavier Vergés
If you wish to exploit others efforts for your own personal gain then that is a matter for your conscience. We all do that. I use Firefox for my own personal gain. And, while at work, lots of other open source software for my own financial gain. Pretending that open source derived software is

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread SteveM
Lastly, and this time I mean it... I agree conceptually with the open source paradigm. But software has a way of migrating pretty easily into the torrent-o-sphere regardless of the intent of the original owner. I dunno, I have to think about that one... I am a radical pragmatist and open

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread bob
It was probably this bit that was the clue... I mean if I develop a VBA app for Excel for a customer, I compile it into an Add-In to protect my IP. A different technology and different commercial perspective with rights to exploit I agree, but I suggest open source comes from a different

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread Eric Shulman
probably involve somebody making money but the open source model prevents that. The open source model doesn't prevent 'making money'... it just separates the 'value proposition' from the deliverables... you get paid for the value of your expertise, skills, and efforts, rather than for the

[tw] Re: TW on the Palm?

2009-01-10 Thread AlanBCohen
On Jan 9, 11:45 pm, Jon jevis...@noctrl.edu wrote: ...Now if they'll just put it on a PDA that's not a @#$%*! phone! I agree --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group,

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread SteveM
Stop Me Before I Reply Again! Eric, your insights match the creativity of your work. Back to radical pragmatism. Moodle is a great product. And the Plugin library is extensive and broken. Someone could swoop in and validate what works, repair what is broken and augment as needed. But no one

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread FND
Steve, you seem to be somewhat unclear about open source and its implications (which I don't blame you for, because it's not something to be taken for granted - though that's slowly changing). It's really worth learning about FOSS - both from an intellectual and from an economic perspective.

[tw] Re: TW on the Palm?

2009-01-10 Thread mowestusa
...Now if they'll just put it on a PDA that's not a @#$%*! phone! --Jon I also agree. I miss the PDA devices, and so far I have not been able to get my old ones to sync with Linux which limits their functionality for me. I also don't want one that is on an expensive phone. I use a Tracfone

[tw] Re: End User Application Development - IP Protection?

2009-01-10 Thread Alex Hough
SteveM. Re: you increase exposure to risk in not taking a risk so it might be worth taking the risk - It could well be a Abbot and Costello line, but the Mr Adams who gives the law in question it name is Denis Adams, an ex-stats academic and cybernetics enthusiast. Apparently it is systemic