Re: [tw] A special save and keep editing function, possible?

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 I'm wondering if it is possible to have a special save and keep
 editing button that keeping the tiddler remained in edit mode

This might be of interest:
http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/FND/plugins/QuickSavePlugin.js


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Re: [tw] Re: refactoring tiddler-s

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 Correct me if I'm wrong, but there definetely is no internal
 authentication or integrity key that would disallow using a simple
 text-editor.

Correct - nevertheless, editing the raw source can be dangerous, as it
circumvents the usual verifications (e.g. escaping special characters).


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Re: [tw] Re: Using TW as database

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 Your script works nice. But what if I want to add a column for a
 custom field called Keyword?

out.push(|!Title|!Date|!Keyword|h); // create tabel header
[...]
out.push( |[[ + tids[i].title + ]]  + | + tids[i].created  +| +
tids[i].fields.keyword  +|);

(Personally, I'd construct the table using the DOM rather than
wikification, but that's not directly relevant here.)

HTH.


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Re: [tw] Re: Using TW as database

2010-08-23 Thread Claudio Li
Thx. FND. One more question there. Can I change the date format? It shows
Mon Aug 23 2010 14:26:00 GMT+080, which is too long...

On 23 August 2010 15:07, FND f...@gmx.net wrote:

  Your script works nice. But what if I want to add a column for a
  custom field called Keyword?

 out.push(|!Title|!Date|!Keyword|h); // create tabel header
 [...]
 out.push( |[[ + tids[i].title + ]]  + | + tids[i].created  +| +
 tids[i].fields.keyword  +|);

 (Personally, I'd construct the table using the DOM rather than
 wikification, but that's not directly relevant here.)

 HTH.


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Re: [tw] Re: Using TW as database

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 One thing I thought of, might be to use 'couchdb' with TiddlyWiki to
 fabricate a shared. distributed REST-ful TiddlyWiki style wiki.

Using CouchDB as backend would indeed be awesome.
There has been some interest in this before[1][2] - personally, I think
it'd be great if there was a couch app providing (a subset of) the
TiddlyWeb API, as that would mean a lot of existing code (e.g. the
adaptor) could simply be reused.


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[2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/t/125feda2eae813a4

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Re: [tw] Re: Using TW as database

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 Can I change the date format?

tids[i].created.formatString(-0MM-0DD 0hh:0mm);

see http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Timestamps


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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyWiki 2.6.1 released

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 2.6.1 releas message says:
 *enhance toolbar macro syntax to render tiddler/slice/section content
 inline (ticket #610)
 [...] I couldn't get it to work.

That entry is a bit misleading, due to it being copied verbatim from the
ticket. The solution we went with in the end was to provide a hook for
plugin authors like Eric:
http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/ticket/610#comment:7
http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/changeset/12296

I'll amended the changelog accordingly - thanks for noticing!


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Re: [tw] Re: TWeb (TSpace) vs vanilla regarding speed?

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 BTW, is anything executed on the TSpace server or is it only local CPU/
 memory time that decide speed (other than algorithms in core+plugins)?

It's still just a regular TiddlyWiki (though augmented with a variety of
plugins, of course) - so the basic paradigm of computation happening on
the client-side (i.e. in your browser) remains the same.

The significant difference is that data is stored on a server instead of
(or eventually, optionally, in addition to) a document on the local hard
drive - which happens to make saving tiddlers a lot faster, as Mario
explained.


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[tw] Re: Write down a title and hit create to create a new tiddler

2010-08-23 Thread twgrp
Tobias, you're right. I take back my last comment.
:-)

On Aug 22, 9:31 am, Tobias Beer beertob...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I don't quite understand in what sense this would be beneficial over
 the way things currently work.

 Why bloating your template with input fields in order to enter a title
 and then hit new as opposed to hitting new and then entering a title
 while also being able to input contents and tags? Is it that you just
 want to create an empty tiddler called xyz without further editiing it
 right away? ...that would indeed save an extra step, but add another
 if you actually did want to enter some content and tags, as you'd have
 at least one more additional click to open the tiddler in edit-mode.

 Besides, as Anthony suggested, that functionality is already present
 in GotoPlugin ...which is my default for searching tiddler titles and
 content for all wiki's that I create.

 Tobias.

 On 21 Aug., 14:48, twgrp matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Aug 17, 3:29 pm, octw blog...@gmail.com wrote:

   I'm wondering if it is possible to put an input box in front of the
   'new tiddler' button, so one can write down some words in the box then
   hit the 'new tiddler' button to open the tiddler with the title 'some
   words'?

  That should even be default IMO. Saves an extra step of work and just
  makes more sense.



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Re: [tw] Modifier name in RSS feed?

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 I'd like to know if it's possible to include the modifier's name [...]
 on every RSS feed?

You could use a small plugin that hijacks and extends tiddlerToRssItem:

(function() {

var _tiddlerToRssItem = tiddlerToRssItem;
tiddlerToRssItem = function(tiddler, uri) {
var author = tiddler.modifier.htmlEncode();
return _tiddlerToRssItem.apply(this, arguments).
replace(/link, /linkauthor + author + /author);
};

})();

HTH.


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[tw] Re: A special save and keep editing function, possible?

2010-08-23 Thread octw
Wow, great FND. It worked just the way I want. Great thanks.
Btw, does it support keyboard shout cut?

Cheers,
octw

On Aug 23, 2:59 pm, FND f...@gmx.net wrote:
  I'm wondering if it is possible to have a special save and keep
  editing button that keeping the tiddler remained in edit mode

 This might be of 
 interest:http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/FND/plugins/QuickSavePlu...

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[tw] Re: A special save and keep editing function, possible?

2010-08-23 Thread octw
Further one.

FND, is it possible that make the plugin auto saving the tiddler every
few minutes?

octw

On Aug 23, 6:59 pm, octw blog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wow, great FND. It worked just the way I want. Great thanks.
 Btw, does it support keyboard shout cut?

 Cheers,
 octw

 On Aug 23, 2:59 pm, FND f...@gmx.net wrote:

   I'm wondering if it is possible to have a special save and keep
   editing button that keeping the tiddler remained in edit mode

  This might be of 
  interest:http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/FND/plugins/QuickSavePlu...

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Re: [tw] Re: A special save and keep editing function, possible?

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 does it support keyboard shout cut?

There's nothing built into the plugin, and adding access keys to toolbar
commands is a tricky issue anyway (if there are multiple tiddlers opened
in the story, which one should be acted upon?).

You could make it the the default command* for the EditTemplate though.

 is it possible that make the plugin auto saving the tiddler every
 few minutes?

That'd be a separate plugin, I suppose - also, it might be considered
dangerous, as there's no way to revert. Saq did a drafts plugin a while
back though, that might be worth digging out of the group archives.


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* http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Tiddler_Toolbar#Special_Symbols

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[tw] Re: refactoring tiddler-s

2010-08-23 Thread will
You are 'right'

I will not edit a tiddler HTML file again myself in scite or textedit
or notepad because the resulting save file was a mess and didn't show
my tiddlers that were touched during the edit.

I don't know why.  I just don't see the point wasting time when what I
want is a high-level change management and refactoring solution not
ways to waste time on aweekend writing sed scripts.

Back to constructive comments::

  -- See: http://www.tiddlytools.com/#TiddlerTweakerPlugin

Seems to do 96% for what I asked about.

 \_w_/


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 Correct me if I'm wrong, but there definetely is no internal
 authentication or integrity key that would disallow using a simple
 text-editor.


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[tw] Re: refactoring tiddler-s

2010-08-23 Thread will
YES and when your knowledge becomes meaningful ... changes in syntax
have huge impacts on meaning, semantics and the semeiotics!

I used to deal in software, and my interest was in the semantics for
tiddlers.  Refactoring is a recognised tool to keep thing working
'better'.

On Aug 23, 5:01 pm, FND f...@gmx.net wrote:
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but there definetely is no internal
  authentication or integrity key that would disallow using a simple
  text-editor.

 Correct - nevertheless, editing the raw source can be dangerous, as it
 circumvents the usual verifications (e.g. escaping special characters).

Concerning this specific comment -- There probably SHOULD be an
authentication MAC5 or similar tag applied to edits.

That's a very simple way to prevent anyone making changes you didn't
know about or authorise (etc.)

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Re: [tw] Re: refactoring tiddler-s

2010-08-23 Thread FND
 Concerning this specific comment -- There probably SHOULD be an
 authentication MAC5 or similar tag applied to edits.
 That's a very simple way to prevent anyone making changes you didn't
 know about or authorise (etc.)

That's not exactly the wiki spirit...


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[tw] Re: refactoring tiddler-s

2010-08-23 Thread will
Thanks Anthony ...

I'll stop here.  I may be witty or even have a bit of souse on
programming, languages and the web.  My thinking is ALWAYS about users
like my grandmother.  TiddlyWiki especially is not a programmer/hacker
tool, its for simple hypernotebook-scaffolds that my gran can use.

If my gran can't use a feature, then it wastes my time because I can't
say No to gran.  And can YOU?!

Scratch #1 / #3 (rigorously test) / #4 for granny.

Why didn't Red Riding hood ask ... my what a large web server SVN
database you have grandma?

*lol*

On Aug 22, 8:38 pm, Anthony Muscio anthony.mus...@gmail.com wrote:
 Editing a file and doing a global search and replace is a tool I have used
 since PC's were invented. You only do it, or edit characters on a disk or in
 an executable file if;

 1. You know what you are doing
 2. It will save you a lot of time
 3. You make a backup first and rigorously test the result
 4. You identify what assumptions or exceptions may exist
 5. If you have a tool that understands the rules, and does the job use it
 first (eg; TiddlerTweakerPlugin)

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[tw] Re: A special save and keep editing function, possible?

2010-08-23 Thread octw
  does it support keyboard shout cut?

 There's nothing built into the plugin, and adding access keys to toolbar
 commands is a tricky issue anyway (if there are multiple tiddlers opened
 in the story, which one should be acted upon?).

 You could make it the the default command* for the EditTemplate though.

Wonderful. Moving the '+' mark from 'saveTiddler' to
'+quickSaveTiddler',
and the short cut would be changed too.

  is it possible that make the plugin auto saving the tiddler every
  few minutes?

 That'd be a separate plugin, I suppose - also, it might be considered
 dangerous, as there's no way to revert. Saq did a drafts plugin a while
 back though, that might be worth digging out of the group archives.

I'll dig into it. If I find anything, will report here. Thank again.

Cheers,
octw

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[tw] Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-23 Thread jnthnlstr
Hello,

I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
app's storage directory).

Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
where save changes isn't a big pain.

(Also this person[1] might be interested.)

Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
haven't looked into these problems though.

Source: http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR

To use:
- download source
- install AIR
- run client.build
- install TiddlyAIR.air

Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!


J.

[1] 
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e28786a17a23c3/296a3e69751141f8
[2] 
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749ae87b6564b/a8deef4b7f023595

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[tw] Re: display tabs in tiddly wiki micro

2010-08-23 Thread Yang Li
Further to this thread, is there any way that I can replace tiddler
file name with a macro plus parameter, i.e. instead of using

(a)   tabs txtMoreTab job no job no wikiinthefield_job_$1,

I intend to use something like

(b)   tabs txtMoreTab job no job no JobDisplay
wikiinthefield_job_$1 .

The reason is that in (a) I have to pre-prepare all the tiddlers
needed in the tab fields, whereas in (b) I only need to write a single
macro to cover all the cases without adding any new tiddler.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Yang

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[tw] Re: display tabs in tiddly wiki micro

2010-08-23 Thread Yang Li
I may mis-presented the problem. The real problem is assume that I can
handle individual job display via

tiddler CustomerTabs with: 001
..
tiddler CustomerTabs with: 00K

Now if I want to display each job in a tab, do I have to generate K
tiddlers each containing a line like tiddler CustomerTabs with:
00K and use tabs txtMoreTab ... to glue them together, or is
it a better way to avoid introducing new tiddlers and just use a
single macro to achieve the same goal?

Thanks,
Yang


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[tw] Re: Using TW as database

2010-08-23 Thread okido
Hi FND,

Could you give us an example how to build a table by changing the DOM
directly.
I am interested because I have a large table that builds rather slow,
120rows and 6 cols, it is sortable by clicking on the headers.
I thought it might be quicker when a would replace the script by a
plugin.
But direct manipulation of the DOM might probably even faster.

Have a nice day, Okido


On 8月23日, 午前9:42, FND f...@gmx.net wrote:
  Can I change the date format?

 tids[i].created.formatString(-0MM-0DD 0hh:0mm);

 seehttp://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Timestamps

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[tw] Re: TiddlyTagMindmap in ShowPopup ?

2010-08-23 Thread Cyrill
Hi,

do you know how to force the font-size in the tiddlers title in the
mindmap for all tiddlers (without using custum labels).
In many cases the plugin show too small letters.

Best Regards


On 11 Aug., 13:29, rakugo jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can take a guess..
 Try specifying a width and height by using the parameters:
 width:600 height:300

 If you don't provide these it attempts to fill the display as much as
 possible which might cause problems with popups.

 If that doesn't help is there anything you can share to debug?
 Jon

 On Aug 10, 9:21 pm, skye riquelme riquelme.s...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi again

  I am using TiddlyTagMindMapPlugin and it works fine / looks great when
  the macro is embedded in a tiddler. (its dimensions are 400px * 400px
  - generally

  Now when I view that tiddlerwith something like tiddler
  ShowPopup with:MindMapTiddler label   60em sticky the mindmap
  displays as tall skinny column with the all the data bunched up on the
  left of the popup panel.

  the popup definictions dont limit the width of the displayso whats
  happening? How to get the Mindmap to display correctly inside a
  ShowPopup ?

  Thanks in Advance

  Skye

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[tw] How to access tiddlerdataplugin data from another tiddler without FET

2010-08-23 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/
Hi guys

I am sure this is simple, but, if I wanted a 'display' tiddler that
accessed the data from a form field or drop down list in a data entry
tiddler, what would I do?

I am guessing something like tiddler 'dataentrythingy'
'tiddler.data(nameofformfield)'

How would I write something like that correctly?

Dave

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[tw] Re: Nothing works anymore!

2010-08-23 Thread Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/
Since no one came to my rescue on the bits below, I found a workaround
for IE and Firefox that involves importing, then clicking permit on a
dialog box, then saving, then clicking permit on a dialog box.

If anyone still wants to give me an easier way, I'd love to hear it.

And it doesn't work on Chrome, even with TiddlySaver.jar

Dave

On Aug 16, 1:00 pm, Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/;
giff...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Eric

 The good news: it is saving okay for me now.

 The bad news: the other problems are still there, despite my putting
 quotes around the url in the macro.

 The following is what I did:

 1. I uploaded the file again from the desktop 
 tohttp://www.giffmex.org/NotasGiffmex.html
 2. I downloaded a copy to folder x.
 3. I then made one change to the original copy and uploaded it again
 to the url
 4. I then opened the copy and hit actualizar (the load tiddlers
 macro).

 Here is what happened:

 1. A box appeared saying I had imported one tiddler.
 2. It created a tiddler called NotasGiffmex.org even though I had
 already added the quotes to the macro
 3. It did NOT import the tiddler I had modified.
 4. It did NOT save changes, so when I went to close it told me I
 needed to save changes. It's important to me that it not do this.

 What am I doing wrong?

 Dave

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-23 Thread jnthnlstr
Have realised that you also need the Adobe AIR developer tools[1] to
compile the package.

Have added the built app installer to the repo, so you can just get
that if you want:
http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR/raw/master/AIR/TiddlyAIR.air


J.

On Aug 23, 2:33 pm, jnthnlstr jnthnl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
 a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
 functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
 app's storage directory).

 Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
 where save changes isn't a big pain.

 (Also this person[1] might be interested.)

 Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
 haven't looked into these problems though.

 Source:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR

 To use:
 - download source
 - install AIR
 - run client.build
 - install TiddlyAIR.air

 Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!

 J.

 [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e2878...
 [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749...

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[tw] Re: Announcing: TiddlyAir - an experiment bringing TiddlyWiki to Adobe AIR

2010-08-23 Thread jnthnlstr
...and that dev tools link: 
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=airsdk

On Aug 23, 7:15 pm, jnthnlstr jnthnl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Have realised that you also need the Adobe AIR developer tools[1] to
 compile the package.

 Have added the built app installer to the repo, so you can just get
 that if you 
 want:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR/raw/master/AIR/TiddlyAIR.air

 J.

 On Aug 23, 2:33 pm, jnthnlstr jnthnl...@gmail.com wrote:



  Hello,

  I've made a TiddlyWiki that is wrapped up in an Adobe AIR container as
  a standalone app. The original TiddlyWiki still opens in a browser and
  functions normally (although its store is kept separate in the AIR
  app's storage directory).

  Point of this: to try out a TiddlyWiki in a controlled environment
  where save changes isn't a big pain.

  (Also this person[1] might be interested.)

  Restrictions: cookies don't work yet; import doesn't work yet. I
  haven't looked into these problems though.

  Source:http://github.com/jayfresh/TiddlyAIR

  To use:
  - download source
  - install AIR
  - run client.build
  - install TiddlyAIR.air

  Any comments appreciated (even if they originate from PSD[1])!

  J.

  [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/1e2878...
  [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d9c749...

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