date:20191123

[tw5] Re: Migration from JSON-Based App

2019-11-23 Thread Qalisto

Eric - I take note of your voluminous, prior contributions to this project 
(via your website) and even more deeply thank you.  I shall attempt this 
solution.

Best regards,
---  > Q < ---

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 1:37:09 AM UTC, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 3:33:22 PM UTC-8, Qalisto wrote:
>>
>> At bottom is a snippet from a JSON file that I would save me enormous 
>> time IF it could be imported and mapped to produce corresponding Tiddlers.
>>
>> {"Name":"ADVERTISING 
>> FUNCTIONS","ForgottenDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499","ACType":0,"Kind":1,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411","ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411","SyncUpdateDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499","SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"2341913d-d9e5-451d-b924-388c906c13a0"}
>> {"Name":"Sibling Level 
>> 1","ActivationDateTime":"2019-11-05T18:36:39.8630936","ACType":0,"Kind":1,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:True:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-10-25T19:36:21.9749708","ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-25T19:36:22.677055","SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"23cabe36-0588-402f-b823-5abb3e6930f8"}
>>
>> {"Name":"w13","ActivationDateTime":"2017-03-17T19:35:38.51","LinksModificationDateTime":"2017-03-17T19:35:38.966","ACType":0,"Kind":4,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"8::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.7004436","ModificationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.7004436","SyncUpdateDateTime":"0001-01-01T00:00:00","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"24fbb913-79ab-58ba-aa2f-ee0594634a92"}
>>
>> {"Name":"w36","ActivationDateTime":"2017-12-01T14:55:29.4455678","LinksModificationDateTime":"2016-09-12T17:44:26.52","ACType":0,"Kind":4,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"8::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.6256425","ModificationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.6256425","SyncUpdateDateTime":"0001-01-01T00:00:00","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"2798aa5e-933b-5a4e-abc6-76e388f81b53"}
>>
>
> Although it is very difficult to visually interpret the "slab of data" you 
> posted, a quick visual scan seems to indicate that your example shows 4 
> json objects, each of which is just a simple set of name/value pairs, 
> without any "nesting" of objects within those values.  
>
> To confirm this, I "pretty printed one of your example objects, just by 
> manually adding newlines after each comma as well as before/after the 
> opening and closing curly braces:
>
> {
> "Name":"ADVERTISING FUNCTIONS",
> "ForgottenDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499",
> "ACType":0,
> "Kind":1,
> "TagIds":[],
> "ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:False:False:0",
> "CreationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411",
> "ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411",
> "SyncUpdateDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499",
> "SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b",
> "BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0",
> "Id":"2341913d-d9e5-451d-b924-388c906c13a0"
> }
>
> I then manually copied and pasted one of the object (without "pretty 
> printing" it first) into a tiddler, and used the value of the "Name" item 
> as the tiddler's "title" field, and set the value of the tiddler's "type" 
> field to "application/json".
>
> Having done this, I can then easily refer to any item within the JSON 
> object simply by using standard TiddlyWiki syntax: 
> {{nameOfTiddler##itemname}}.
>
> For example, writing
> {{ADVERTISING FUNCTIONS##BrainId}}
> in a tiddler results in the display of 
> f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0
> just as you would hope.
>
> To make this even easier, if you first create separate files for each 
> record, each with the format:
> title: nameOfTiddler
> type: application/json
>
> one record of your data pasted here
>
> You can then just drag-and-drop those files en-masse onto any open 
> tiddlywiki, and the built in "$:/Import" interface will be shown with each 
> file listed as a tiddler to import.  Pressing the "import" button will then 
> create all the desired tiddlers in one fell swoop.
>
> While there are some relatively simple "data gymnastics" needed, it seems 
> that the overall answer to your question is a resounding "YES!".  I leave 
> it up to you to figure out the best process for your needs.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm) 
> http://tiddlytools.github.io/ (TWClassic)
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals 
> http://insidetiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/ (TW5)
>
>

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[tw5] How to remove plugin's tiddler from another plugin

2019-11-23 Thread ILYA

I am working on a tiddlywiki edition which would use 
https://github.com/sycom/TiddlyWiki-Plugins/blob/master/plugins/sycom/g-analytics/readme.md
 plugin.

This plugin provides "This wiki uses Google Analytics" tiddler which is visible 
to all users since it doesn't starts with $:/

I looking for a way to delete this tiddler from another plugin (custom theme 
plugin)

Best regards,
iilyak

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[tw5] How to overide plugin's tiddler from another plugin

2019-11-23 Thread ILYA

I am working on a tiddlywiki edition which would use 
https://github.com/sycom/TiddlyWiki-Plugins/blob/master/plugins/sycom/g-analytics/readme.md
 plugin.

I wanted to overwrite $:/plugins/sycom/g-analytics/settings/disclaimer_title 
tiddler to specify different capture field. The capture field is used to 
specify tiddler which would be shown to the visitor of the page.

I tried to create a tiddler with the same title in different plugin (custom 
theme). However since I don't know how to control the order of plugins. It so 
happen that original g-analytics provided tiddler takes priority.

Are the any other ways to do it without forking plugin or patching it locally? 
As I mentioned earlier it is an edition so manually editing wiki is not an 
option.

I also tried to use combination of tiddlywiki.files file with files directory 
(in my themes plugin), but didn't have any luck with it.

Best regards,
iilyak
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[tw5] Re: Computer freezes while saving with Firefox / Timimi

2019-11-23 Thread Mal

Tony,

I'm currently getting around this problem by using Tiddlyserver for large 
wikis.

Also, I've found that the latest beta build of Firefox (71.0b12.1) seems to 
be working fine for saving large wikis, so it looks like the problem might 
have already been fixed by the FF developers.

This highlights a big advantage of Ubuntu snap packages - I now have 3 
different versions of Firefox running concurrently on my laptop - great for 
testing.

Regards,

Mal

On Saturday, 23 November 2019 11:49:42 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mal,
>
> Thanks for the update. Best of luck.In the meantime if you want to ignore 
> the browser altogether consider TiddlyWiki Desktop 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyDesktop.html
> *It can be installed on Windows, Mac OS X or Linux. It is compatible 
> with TiddlyWiki version 5 and the older TiddlyWikiClassic. *
>
> Or experiment with Jed's new Bob.exe file saver plugin which uses another 
> mechanism to Timimi.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: Structure (HTML) -- Where is the visual PLAN?

2019-11-23 Thread TonyM

TT

I am not sure its as easy as you think. Tiddlywiki uses html dynamically 
according to what is visible. Looking at a raw tiddlywiki.html file in an 
editor and in tiddlywiki following the page template down to see how it 
dynamically constructs what you see in informative.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

2019-11-23 Thread TonyM

Jed

I will provide one or more methods to add bob.exe to load on startup on 
windows. You can choose what suits you.

Regards
Tony 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

2019-11-23 Thread TonyM

Mark

That needs to be an option not the standard behaviour as having the saver 
hidden pending loading finding a bob server can simplify workflow 

Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread TonyM

Arlen

Thanks for sharing your use of tiddlyserver which I also use a lot. All my 
tiddlywiki file locations are in my ts index. I have a wiki I open for 
generating wikis using the the big green button to save into a folder that I 
then browse with ts.

This keeps maintaining an index to wikis very easy. I also use it along side 
timimi and sometimes bob and tiddlydesktop. 

It would be nice to preconfigure tiddlyserver to a standard setup and zip it 
into a executable zip file to ease its deployment. Is there a minimal 
configuration we can use? It would also be nice if we could add paths ports and 
addresses to the setup file via a tiddlywiki, reducing the errors. Generating 
the settings file rather than a copy of a text file.

Love your work
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread Arlen Beiler

My setup is basically:

1. TiddlyServer is basically an expansion of the NodeJS TiddlyWiki Server.
It's designed like a static file server such as apache, but adds features
for TiddlyWiki, such as saving single-files, and loading data folders in
place, so you can have multiple data folders running on the same server
instance with different paths. Back then the TiddlyWiki server didn't have
any way to upload external files from the browser. If it had, I probably
would never have written TiddlyServer, but I use it all the time now.
2. My main wikis are stored in Dropbox so I just reference their folder
inside the Dropbox folder, and Dropbox automatically saves changes
immediately. I've heard there is some kind of versioning as well in the Pro
version, which I have.
3. Dropbox takes care of this for folder wikis, and TiddlyServer can also
be configured to save a backup of all single-file wikis on every save.
4. Browsers are browsers, some are just more sandboxed than others, which
is part of the reason I made TiddlyServer -- so I didn't have to make sure
all devices could use file:// urls, which was always a pain.
5. Everything is central.
6. I used NoteSelf for this for a while, but eventually I dropped that and
just used Dropbox.

I really like the TiddlyWiki concept and it's a lot easier than installing
MediaWiki on my computer, which is what I had done before. I'm still
working out a few problems with mobile access and the like and also trying
to come up with a more usable layout for regular notes. Something like
Google Keep, maybe. So that's my setup.

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:57 AM Miha Lunar  wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> I've only skimmed previous posts so forgive me if this came up already,
> but I wanted to throw in my 2c.
>
> Most of this is from the context of accessing TW from more than one
> device. Before I can talk about why having TW support PWA features would be
> a good idea, I want to give some background.
>
> The ideal setup for me personally looks like this:
>
> 1. Central server running TW and acting as the source of truth and storage
> of all my tiddlers.
> 2. The tiddlers are versioned for easier maintenance and fewer worries
> around deleting or changing things.
> 3. The tiddlers are regularly backed up to protect against hardware
> failure and malware / accidental deletion.
> 4. I can access TW from any device via a browser or other more appropriate
> means.
> 5. The local TW running on device is connected to the central server so
> that the tiddlers are shared between devices and not siloed.
> 6. The device-local TW can run offline, which means that there needs to be
> local storage that gets synced with the server once the device comes back
> online.
>
> With these I could really use TW anywhere robustly and reliably.
>
> I have a large part of it figured out, but there are still some system and
> UX level gaps. I will describe what my current setup and possible
> implementations can be for each of the points above:
>
> 1. Central server. I have the vanilla TW nodejs running in a Docker
> container on my Synology server and so far it seems great. The vanilla
> server saves tiddlers as files already, so I just mount that save dir as a
> volume, so tiddlers persist outside of Docker on the host.
> 2. Versioning. Based on a blog post I found, my tiddler files are part of
> a git repository. To commit I'm running a modified gitwatch that looks for
> changes to tiddler files and commits automatically after a few seconds.
> History in git is stored as deltas and compressed, so the history might
> take _less_ space than the working copy at the beginning at least.
> Reverting / looking at history is a little inconvenient as it's not
> integrated into TW, but that can be improved with a plugin and a
> server-side service.
> 3. Backup. Since tiddlers are saved as files on the server host and I'm
> running nightly backup on it, this comes by default. Any backup service
> that works on the filesystem level would work here however.
> 4. Device access. This already seems to work pretty well on desktop and
> mobile. The UI is pretty responsive and works well on small screens for
> most things.
> 5. Central tiddlers. This also works pretty well. The vanilla nodejs
> server has a REST API and the TW client that it serves connects to it and
> uses it as the default saver. So all the data is persisted on the server
> and not locally.
> 6. Offline mode. I don't have a solution that I really like for this yet.
> There are some attempts to do this, most notable seems NoteSelf. It syncs
> to a CouchDB database however and for now I prefer having tiddlers stored
> as files, due to the advantages that brings for points 1., 2. and 3.
>
>
> Expanding on 6. Offline mode:
>
> I believe this is the only context where PWAs make sense. If the app is
> already offline (served from the local file system, saving via browser
> plugin, or running offline as a native app), then the concept of a PWA
> doesn't make sense,

Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread TonyM

Illyak

As in my last post I feel we need to approach this a little more gradually. I
thing serial editing could help you.

In relation to your current problems
- I cannot access my wiki on the phone from PC if I am connected to guest wifi
This is the design of guest networks. Device isolation. Either connect but not
as guest or consider direct Wi-Fi

- There is currently no way to see different versions of the tiddler or its
history from TW itself
There are versioning solutions available. Search around noteself is a good
example but there are others. It you design the save actions you can do it
yourself.

- Hard to setup
I think you have chosen a more complex approach

- Bob stops saving when I migrate from one network to another (IP address
change) which means I loose my work quite often
I suggest move the wikis not the server or have a separate server setup that
accesses the same folders

- sharing with friends is not easy
Sharing is really dependant on a multitude of factors including if it includes
the need for input. There are a number of ways to address this but I do think
single file wikis enabled for serial editing or smart documents is a good
start. Such wikis can originate from server implementations.

Thanks for sharing you methods and views.
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Migration from JSON-Based App

2019-11-23 Thread Eric Shulman

On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 3:33:22 PM UTC-8, Qalisto wrote:
>
> At bottom is a snippet from a JSON file that I would save me enormous time 
> IF it could be imported and mapped to produce corresponding Tiddlers.
>
> {"Name":"ADVERTISING 
> FUNCTIONS","ForgottenDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499","ACType":0,"Kind":1,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411","ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411","SyncUpdateDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499","SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"2341913d-d9e5-451d-b924-388c906c13a0"}
> {"Name":"Sibling Level 
> 1","ActivationDateTime":"2019-11-05T18:36:39.8630936","ACType":0,"Kind":1,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:True:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-10-25T19:36:21.9749708","ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-25T19:36:22.677055","SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"23cabe36-0588-402f-b823-5abb3e6930f8"}
>
> {"Name":"w13","ActivationDateTime":"2017-03-17T19:35:38.51","LinksModificationDateTime":"2017-03-17T19:35:38.966","ACType":0,"Kind":4,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"8::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.7004436","ModificationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.7004436","SyncUpdateDateTime":"0001-01-01T00:00:00","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"24fbb913-79ab-58ba-aa2f-ee0594634a92"}
>
> {"Name":"w36","ActivationDateTime":"2017-12-01T14:55:29.4455678","LinksModificationDateTime":"2016-09-12T17:44:26.52","ACType":0,"Kind":4,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"8::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.6256425","ModificationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.6256425","SyncUpdateDateTime":"0001-01-01T00:00:00","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"2798aa5e-933b-5a4e-abc6-76e388f81b53"}
>

Although it is very difficult to visually interpret the "slab of data" you 
posted, a quick visual scan seems to indicate that your example shows 4 
json objects, each of which is just a simple set of name/value pairs, 
without any "nesting" of objects within those values.  

To confirm this, I "pretty printed one of your example objects, just by 
manually adding newlines after each comma as well as before/after the 
opening and closing curly braces:

{
"Name":"ADVERTISING FUNCTIONS",
"ForgottenDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499",
"ACType":0,
"Kind":1,
"TagIds":[],
"ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:False:False:0",
"CreationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411",
"ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411",
"SyncUpdateDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499",
"SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b",
"BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0",
"Id":"2341913d-d9e5-451d-b924-388c906c13a0"
}

I then manually copied and pasted one of the object (without "pretty 
printing" it first) into a tiddler, and used the value of the "Name" item 
as the tiddler's "title" field, and set the value of the tiddler's "type" 
field to "application/json".

Having done this, I can then easily refer to any item within the JSON 
object simply by using standard TiddlyWiki syntax: 
{{nameOfTiddler##itemname}}.

For example, writing
{{ADVERTISING FUNCTIONS##BrainId}}
in a tiddler results in the display of 
f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0
just as you would hope.

To make this even easier, if you first create separate files for each 
record, each with the format:
title: nameOfTiddler
type: application/json

one record of your data pasted here

You can then just drag-and-drop those files en-masse onto any open 
tiddlywiki, and the built in "$:/Import" interface will be shown with each 
file listed as a tiddler to import.  Pressing the "import" button will then 
create all the desired tiddlers in one fell swoop.

While there are some relatively simple "data gymnastics" needed, it seems 
that the overall answer to your question is a resounding "YES!".  I leave 
it up to you to figure out the best process for your needs.

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" 
(tm) http://tiddlytools.github.io/ (TWClassic)
InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing 
Manuals http://insidetiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/ (TW5)

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Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread ILYA

Just wanted to say that I agree with Lunar, about the vision.

My current setup:
1. Bob based server (I use Caddy in front to provide https) on android phone 
using termux 
2. Script to watch creation of new directories and create new git repository 
per wiki
3. Script which watches every directory and commit files on each change.
4. Script which creates nightly backup to my NAS server
5. I added phone.local entry into /etc/hosts on my linux PC and MAC.
6. I have save as file button in every wiki so I can export any wiki as single 
html file to share with friends. It is not ideal since it is not easy to get 
their changes.

This setup has a number of problems:
- I cannot access my wiki on the phone from PC if I am connected to guest wifi
- There is currently no way to see different versions of the tiddler or its 
history from TW itself
-  Hard to setup
- Bob stops saving when I migrate from one network to another (IP address 
change) which means I loose my work quite often
- sharing with friends is not easy

In my opinion the requirements are:
- a single file executable which does either
  - opens default browser connected to local server on random available port
  - uses one of the desktop app frameworks
- electron
- flutter
- https or local unix socket for transport
- ability to use remote server
- store changes in browser local storage when server is not awailable
- rely on p2p network to discover the IP address of remote server
- support multiple clients with conflict resolution
- tw based UI to show diff between local and remote version of a tiddler 
(something like https://codepen.io/Sphin/pen/grVvjG)
- compare different historical versions of any tiddler
- ability to look at consistent snapshot of the wiki at a given time ( git 
supports it already )
- display all versions of a tiddler
- automatic sync of changes between browser local storage and server or 
multiple servers
- visual indication when server is not connected

Here is my vision on how to build it on the current art.

1. Replace title with tiddler_id in TW code (to support tiddler versioning)
2. Generate unique values for tiddler_id
3. Use caption instead of title
4. Implement new saver using one of
  - PouchDB (can be taken from NoteSelf)
 - This approach would require a custom server which implements CouchDB 
replication protocol but stores data in git
  - dat protocol
  - kern/filepizza
  - jvilk/BrowserFS
5. Write storage backend using language which can produce statically linked 
binaries or embed nodejs
  - rust
  - golang
6. Update TW to access historical versions of tiddlers
   -  - current version of tiddler
   - / - to point to old version of tiddler

Best regards,
iilyak
  

On 23 November 2019 05:57:37 GMT-08:00, Miha Lunar  wrote:
>Hi there!
>
>I've only skimmed previous posts so forgive me if this came up already,
>but 
>I wanted to throw in my 2c.
>
>Most of this is from the context of accessing TW from more than one
>device. 
>Before I can talk about why having TW support PWA features would be a
>good 
>idea, I want to give some background.
>
>The ideal setup for me personally looks like this:
>
>1. Central server running TW and acting as the source of truth and
>storage 
>of all my tiddlers.
>2. The tiddlers are versioned for easier maintenance and fewer worries 
>around deleting or changing things.
>3. The tiddlers are regularly backed up to protect against hardware
>failure 
>and malware / accidental deletion. 
>4. I can access TW from any device via a browser or other more
>appropriate 
>means.
>5. The local TW running on device is connected to the central server so
>
>that the tiddlers are shared between devices and not siloed.
>6. The device-local TW can run offline, which means that there needs to
>be 
>local storage that gets synced with the server once the device comes
>back 
>online.
>
>With these I could really use TW anywhere robustly and reliably.
>
>I have a large part of it figured out, but there are still some system
>and 
>UX level gaps. I will describe what my current setup and possible 
>implementations can be for each of the points above:
>
>1. Central server. I have the vanilla TW nodejs running in a Docker 
>container on my Synology server and so far it seems great. The vanilla 
>server saves tiddlers as files already, so I just mount that save dir
>as a 
>volume, so tiddlers persist outside of Docker on the host.
>2. Versioning. Based on a blog post I found, my tiddler files are part
>of a 
>git repository. To commit I'm running a modified gitwatch that looks
>for 
>changes to tiddler files and commits automatically after a few seconds.
>
>History in git is stored as deltas and compressed, so the history might
>
>take _less_ space than the working copy at the beginning at least. 
>Reverting / looking at history is a little inconvenient as it's not 
>integrated into TW, but that can be improved with a plugin and a 
>server-side service.
>3. Backup. Since tiddlers are saved as files

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

2019-11-23 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

This is just a thought. But could the Bob Saver plugin warn the user
when the TW file first boots up if it can't find a running BobServer?

Thanks!

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[tw5] Single File vs Node.js

2019-11-23 Thread TonyM

My only quick point here is you can move back and forth between both easily. 
You just need to control your work flow process. Such as which is your source 
of truth, can you merge them etc...

Extencive users of server based wikis may be able to raise some other issues 
but as far as I can see there are no risks with single file vs node and other 
server models other than your own failure to manage your wikis effectivly.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Migration from JSON-Based App

2019-11-23 Thread Qalisto

At bottom is a snippet from a JSON file that I would save me enormous time 
IF it could be imported and mapped to produce corresponding Tiddlers.

Does such a Tool exist in *Tiddledom*?

Please kindly advise.

{"Name":"ADVERTISING 
FUNCTIONS","ForgottenDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499","ACType":0,"Kind":1,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411","ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-26T21:10:22.0864411","SyncUpdateDateTime":"2019-11-20T19:45:53.6458499","SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"2341913d-d9e5-451d-b924-388c906c13a0"}
{"Name":"Sibling Level 
1","ActivationDateTime":"2019-11-05T18:36:39.8630936","ACType":0,"Kind":1,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"1::0:True:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-10-25T19:36:21.9749708","ModificationDateTime":"2019-10-25T19:36:22.677055","SyncSentId":"028f89c1-aca5-4226-adae-5b099d24f04b","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"23cabe36-0588-402f-b823-5abb3e6930f8"}
{"Name":"w13","ActivationDateTime":"2017-03-17T19:35:38.51","LinksModificationDateTime":"2017-03-17T19:35:38.966","ACType":0,"Kind":4,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"8::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.7004436","ModificationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.7004436","SyncUpdateDateTime":"0001-01-01T00:00:00","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"24fbb913-79ab-58ba-aa2f-ee0594634a92"}
{"Name":"w36","ActivationDateTime":"2017-12-01T14:55:29.4455678","LinksModificationDateTime":"2016-09-12T17:44:26.52","ACType":0,"Kind":4,"TagIds":[],"ThoughtIconInfo":"8::0:False:False:0","CreationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.6256425","ModificationDateTime":"2019-11-20T20:54:37.6256425","SyncUpdateDateTime":"0001-01-01T00:00:00","BrainId":"f5516898-0911-4776-8ecf-6bf2d2c570e0","Id":"2798aa5e-933b-5a4e-abc6-76e388f81b53"}

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[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread TonyM

And again all thanks for the continuing input, carefully considered feedback is
very valuable and your efforts are recognised.

It seems to me we are getting close to a first use "ease of use" then making
tiddlywiki your own, basically save back to a tiddlywiki on your own drive.

I hope we can finalise this.

I see some wandering into the broader savings issues such as cross device,
consolidated servers which is ok but in some ways it is the next step. Using
the Bob file saver plugin with bob.exe for example is already introducing
server services However the key initial reason for bob.exe in my view is the
possibility of a simple adoption process.

>From my original topic, I am really keen to refine the first engagement steps
>because I believe this can and must be simplified to not just support new
>users but support designers publishing work to general audiences (starting
>with read only html publishing).

It is my view while we should keep in mind more sophisticated implementations
like server, cross device, multi access and multi user etc. . the next critical
step in my view is controlled editing. The first being serial editing
especially starting with single file wikis but later extending this to
authorised editing.

Serial editing
Single file wikis typically save the whole wiki into a single file so two
similtaniouse edits users or tabs, will overwrite one set of changes with the
other.

To enable serial editing to stop this potential loss we need to introduce a
login/out mechanisium in single file wikis or check-in or checkout. This is to
handle the case where more than one user has update/save rights.

I have researched this deeply. And will not detail it here but the trick is to
reload a wiki with a checkout request in uri or temp storage and save the wiki
with the checkout details only if sucessful, perhaps with another reload to
confirm the checkout. This may be prohibitive on large wikis so a wrapper wiki
to control edit of another wiki may be needed.

This type of mechanisium will also support the use of multi device via cloud
shares, overwrite protection on tiddlyserver, node, tiddlydesktop and more. Bob
already has some protection.

Check in and out in single files would open the smart document possibilities by
permitting edit control and multi user (serial) to take place in documents that
are sent around physically or functionaly to multiple users. A concept I like
is the idea of documents with a document management system built in.

Your thoughts please

Is serial edits the next step as I believe?
Are there other ways to achieve this?

yours sincerely
Tony

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[tw5] Single File vs Node.js

2019-11-23 Thread Qalisto

As a noob who is now going full throttle on a PIM relocation BUT also as a 
non-coder, I wanted to ask ... IF  ... at some future point, I want to run 
certain TWs in concert with Node .js, will I have to do some massive 
reformatting in order to migrate the Single File variant to the Node 
variant?

If so, I may want to think this through very hard - now.

My preference is to have full portability as a single HTML.  This notion 
seems to be contradicted by the Node variant.

Can someone kindly point to the best explanation of "To Node or Not to 
Node"?  Like a decision tree??

==Q

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

2019-11-23 Thread Jed Carty

On linux it would be easy enough to set up a script that you could download 
and run to install everything required and have it start automatically, I 
will add that to the list of things to do.

I am currently working on packaging everything into an app bundle in OS X 
so that it is easier to set as a startup program.

I imagine something similar is available on windows, but I have no idea 
what it is. I don't think that AUTOEXEC.bat is still a thing.

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[tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread Stefan Pfister

I'm very impressed by the bobsaver-plugin for single wiki files. It could 
be really simple for saving with single files. But it needs manual starting 
of a bobexefile. If this start of the bobserver could be automated as 
background demon or service at system startup this would be really simple 
for the non-technical casual tiddlywiki user. Just install a software as a 
permanent server in the background of your system which starts every time 
when your system boots and double click every single tiddlywiki-file for 
editing and secure saving without any hassle.




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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

2019-11-23 Thread Stefan Pfister

I tested the bob saver with the bobexe for linux. Looks really promising. 
But is there a easy way to start the bob server automatically as a 
background task or demon at system startup? I don't want to start bob 
manually every time after every system boot of my working pc. I don't want 
to open another wiki automatically every time when I want to write in a 
single wiki file either. 

I could be easy as only double clicking on a html file -> opens in a 
browser and bob is running in the background as a service or demon 
permanently installed.

This could be the really fool proof solution for a non-technical casual 
wiki user. Just use an html-File in the browser. And for saving install a 
server prog like the bobserver in the background, which starts every time 
when your system boots.
 

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Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread Arlen Beiler

Just realized that’s worded badly. You definitely have your bases covered.

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 16:28 Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> I have not followed your work, unfortunately, but it sounds like you and I
> are on the same page then. I was only referring to a way I thought of
> yesterday to make it pretty much bulletproof using a browser plugin, but it
> sounds like I would have done it exactly as you did for a TiddlyWiki
> plug-in if I had made one.
>
> So yeah, great, glad you’re thinking about it, as anyone should.
> TiddlyServer has all those same scenarios to consider as well, so we’re
> pretty much in the same boat.
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 10:23 Jed Carty  wrote:
>
>> Arlen,
>>
>> Please do not spread misinformation about the security of what I make.
>> The saver server part of Bob does not listen on the local network, it only
>> accepts requests from localhost. At least that minimum security is a
>> requirement for everything I make, that is why I put so many warnings in
>> Bob about allowing access on the local network and why I made the secure
>> server component that has proper https and token-based authentication and
>> access controls.
>>
>> People repeatedly requested to be able to use Bob on the local network
>> which is why it is possible, but the person using has to explicitly enable
>> that and there are warnings about what that means. If someone modifies the
>> saver to listen on the local network  that is not something I can change.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: The last word in Saving?

2019-11-23 Thread Arlen Beiler

I have not followed your work, unfortunately, but it sounds like you and I
are on the same page then. I was only referring to a way I thought of
yesterday to make it pretty much bulletproof using a browser plugin, but it
sounds like I would have done it exactly as you did for a TiddlyWiki
plug-in if I had made one.

So yeah, great, glad you’re thinking about it, as anyone should.
TiddlyServer has all those same scenarios to consider as well, so we’re
pretty much in the same boat.

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 10:23 Jed Carty  wrote:

> Arlen,
>
> Please do not spread misinformation about the security of what I make. The
> saver server part of Bob does not listen on the local network, it only
> accepts requests from localhost. At least that minimum security is a
> requirement for everything I make, that is why I put so many warnings in
> Bob about allowing access on the local network and why I made the secure
> server component that has proper https and token-based authentication and
> access controls.
>
> People repeatedly requested to be able to use Bob on the local network
> which is why it is possible, but the person using has to explicitly enable
> that and there are warnings about what that means. If someone modifies the
> saver to listen on the local network  that is not something I can change.
>
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[tw5] Re: Relink

2019-11-23 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

The relink code doesn't work on IE 11. Just sayin ...

On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 12:04:47 PM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> David
>
> Why don't you have a section at top of your ToolMap to express this desire 
> too?
>
> Josiah
>
> On Saturday, 23 November 2019 20:30:37 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> I can honestly say that the relink plugin (
>> https://flibbles.github.io/tw5-relink/) by Flibbles is the change to 
>> TiddlyWiki that has most reinvigorated my use of TiddlyWiki in 2019. I 
>> would vote for this to be part of the core. Just sayin'.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

2019-11-23 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Ok! That did it! It works in IE 11.0.9600.19540. Next stop, Netscape 4 ...

On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 11:53:24 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I just put out BobSaver version 0.0.5
>
> Mark,
>
> it should take care of the error you mentioned. It may have other problems 
> with IE but that one shouldn't be a problem in version 0.0.5.
>

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