[tw5] Debugging TiddlyWiki crashes

[Lisa Rowell]

I've been getting regular crashes of TiddlyDesktop 0.14 under MacOS 11.1 
and I'm wondering what information I can gather up to better report the 
issue. I don't get any kind of popup, the app just suddenly disappears. It 
doesn't appear to be tied to any particular action, having crashed during 
edits, or just scrolling around reading.

I've found the following in /var/log/system.log, but I'm not sure where 
else to look.Jan 28 19:05:08 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
(application.com.tiddlywiki.8617894281.8617894284[46836]): Service exited 
due to SIGSEGV | sent by exc handler[46836]

Jan 28 19:05:11 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1]: Coalition Cache Hit: 
app [37822]

Jan 28 19:05:11 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
(application.com.tiddlywiki.8617894281.8617894284[47535]): Service exited 
due to SIGSEGV | sent by exc handler[47535]

Jan 28 19:05:27 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1]: Coalition Cache Hit: 
app [37822]
Often after a crash I'll go to restart and that will fail, I suspect the 
later lines are that happening.

My wiki is based off of TW 5.1.22 and has 5,700 riddles. I keep documents 
and images in external files, so my wiki is not large at 8 MB with 11 GB of 
files.

Any push in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks.

Lisa.

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Thank you CodaCoder, I will give a try splitting the viewport into two
sections.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:02 PM coda coder 
wrote:

> You mean 5 seconds is a show-stopper? Seriously? $eventcatcher using
> mouseover is already "not quick", something like 2 to 3 seconds...
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:10 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:
>
>>
>>> I did it with wikitext. The only thing "missing" is the ability to
>>> specify 5 seconds.
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you! It seems I have to use JS.
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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Jeronimo Minino]

Hi, Mohammad,

Thank you very much for showing me how to make a template to use different 
background colors!

And I am already boosting a 30px high motivating progress bar in beautiful 
green #78EE00 ! (And already found out how to modify the bottom value for 
"buttons", "footer" and "slide number" (in Tamasha/Styles/Layout) so they 
adapt to the progress bar's new height.) Thank you so much!

Have a nice day

Jeronimo

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 4:32:13 AM UTC+9 coda coder wrote:

> You mean 5 seconds is a show-stopper? Seriously? $eventcatcher using 
> mouseover is already "not quick", something like 2 to 3 seconds...
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:10 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:
>
>>
>>> I did it with wikitext. The only thing "missing" is the ability to 
>>> specify 5 seconds.
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you! It seems I have to use JS.
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[tw5] Re: Tufte-like sidenotes: generate random ids

[ceri...@gmail.com]

Anders,

Thanks for the demo. From the demo I cannot see how to add a sidenote to 
the tiddler.
How would that be done?

Thx

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 6:28:16 PM UTC-5 Anjar wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Some of you may be familiar with Edward Tufte (
> https://edwardtufte.github.io/tufte-css/), and I think his sidenote 
> approach can be useful in TiddlyWiki as well if one wants to add comments 
> to the contents of a tiddler. I tried to make a simple macro which work 
> fairly well, but to make a new number for each comment, I need to generate 
> a unique ID for it. Is this possible or do I need another approach? For 
> example, I added highlighting on hover which may reduce the need for unique 
> identifiers., but it would still be nice for say printing. 
>
> \define comment(txt)
>  class="margin-toggle sidenote-number">
> 
>  id="sn-demo"
> class="margin-toggle"/>$txt$
> \end
>
> 
> .comment:hover .sidenote {
> background-color: yellow;
> }
>
> input.margin-toggle {
> display: none;
> }
>
> label.sidenote-number {
> display: inline;
> }
>
> label.margin-toggle:not(.sidenote-number) {
> display: none;
> }
>
> .sidenote,
> .marginnote {
> float: right;
> clear: right;
> margin-right: -60%;
> width: 50%;
> margin-top: 0.3rem;
> margin-bottom: 0;
> font-size: 1.1rem;
> line-height: 1.3;
> vertical-align: baseline;
> position: relative;
> }
>
> .sidenote-number {
> counter-increment: sidenote-counter;
> }
>
> .sidenote-number:after,
> .sidenote:before {
> font-family: et-book-roman-old-style;
> position: relative;
> vertical-align: baseline;
> }
>
> .sidenote-number:after {
> content: counter(sidenote-counter);
> font-size: 1rem;
> top: -0.5rem;
> left: 0.1rem;
> }
>
> .sidenote:before {
> content: counter(sidenote-counter) " ";
> font-size: 1rem;
> top: -0.5rem;
> }
> 
>
> This<> is an<> example< "right?">>
>
>
> Best,
> Anders
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [ANN] Projectify 0.13.0 is out!

[Nicolas Petton]

Eskha  writes:

> Hello Nicolas,

Hi Eskha,

> Thank you for your useful and really well designed plugin.

Thanks!

> I would like to report one styling issue:
> The checkbox do not look like other buttons (size, shape end colour) when 
> using either rounded or boxed toolbar button styles
> (See $:/ControlPanel - Settings tab)

Thanks for reporting this, I'll see if I can fix that.

> Otherwise some (more) ideas for a future version or projectify plugind:
> * Having a Tomorrow tab in the dashboard

I think I'll add a setting in the control panel to give more options
regarding the tabs of the dashboard.

> * In the upcoming tab having "tomorrow" listed (instead of the tomorow
> date)

Yes, that's a great idea!

> * Being able to assign task to someone and have dashboard for seeing all 
> tasks allocated to some one

That's on the roadmap :-)

> * Showing subproject and their tasks inside the parent project

I might add support for that down the road, but TBH it's not high in the
priority list for now.

Thanks for the feedback!
Nico

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[coda coder]

You mean 5 seconds is a show-stopper? Seriously? $eventcatcher using 
mouseover is already "not quick", something like 2 to 3 seconds...

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:10 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

>
>> I did it with wikitext. The only thing "missing" is the ability to 
>> specify 5 seconds.
>>
>>
> Thank you! It seems I have to use JS.
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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

>
>
> I did it with wikitext. The only thing "missing" is the ability to specify
> 5 seconds.
>
>
Thank you! It seems I have to use JS.

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[coda coder]

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:43:51 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 4:02 PM coda coder  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, that was my question: is it possible to do this with wikitext? Seems 
> no!
>

I did it with wikitext. The only thing "missing" is the ability to specify 
5 seconds.

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[tw5] Re: [ANN] Projectify 0.13.0 is out!

[Eskha]

Hello Nicolas,

Thank you for your useful and really well designed plugin. 

I would like to report one styling issue:
The checkbox do not look like other buttons (size, shape end colour) when 
using either rounded or boxed toolbar button styles
(See $:/ControlPanel - Settings tab)


Otherwise some (more) ideas for a future version or projectify plugind:
* Having a Tomorrow tab in the dashboard
* In the upcoming tab having "tomorrow" listed (instead of the tomorow date)
* Being able to assign task to someone and have dashboard for seeing all 
tasks allocated to some one
* Showing subproject and their tasks inside the parent project


Best regards,

Eskha

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 4:02 PM coda coder 
wrote:

>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 2:49:53 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Right now Tamasha uses the hover mechanism,
>>
>
> For what, exactly? "hover" is a CSS term, btw.
>

That's right! On mouse hover the nav buttons are displayed. The big
container is the tiddler body.

>
>
>> but what I mean is while the mouse /pointer is on the slide,
>>
>
> slide = presentation in my example.
>

Correct!

>
>
>> it could be hidden
>>
>
> it being the navigation bar? That's what my dmo does.
>
> and also nav button after 5 seconds or specified time.
>>
>>
> If you want to specify timings, you'll need JavaScript.
>

Yes, that was my question: is it possible to do this with wikitext? Seems
no!

>
> BTW, hover/mouseover techniques won't work in pointerless environments
> (e.g. mobile).
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Using TW on a server with node ... but without terminal.

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hi Jed,
thanks for your answer, I tried test it, but since yesterday evening I am
also caught in a medium hardware desaster, which slows me down a lot.
*Would deploying TW like that also work for your BOB-Server?*

Best Wishes Jan


Am Mi., 27. Jan. 2021 um 13:48 Uhr schrieb Jed Carty :

> This should be possible, but you would need to write a quick app.js file.
>
> Note that I haven't tested this, but I have done almost the same thing for
> the secure server setup I made.
>
> Put the TiddlyWiki5 folder on your server, then your app.js file next to
> that folder. In the app.js file put:
>
>
> $tw = require("./TiddlyWiki5/boot/boot.js").TiddlyWiki()
> const args = ['/path/to/wiki', '--listen']
> $tw.boot.argv = args
> $tw.boot.boot()
>
> then that should give you the same result as if you has terminal access
> and typed
>
> node ./TiddlyWiki5/tiddlywiki.js /path/to/wiki --listen
>
> so change /path/to/wiki to the path to the wiki you want and if you want
> to pass any more arguments to the listen command add them to the args array
> in the order you want them.
>
> Remember that unless you add the credentials argument this has no access
> controls unless your server provides them separately.
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#ListenCommand
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:33:52 PM UTC+1 Jan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I would like to use a node installation of tw, but my internet-host does
>> not allow me to use the terminal.
>> I only can upload files via ftp and point node.js to an app.js
>> Are there any implementations for such a scenario?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Jan
>>
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[tw5] Re: Latex plain text in Tiddlywiki with Katex plugin?

[Rahul Kashyap]

Thanks for the comment.

On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 3:40:03 AM UTC-5 jero...@gmail.com wrote:

>   Hi, Rahul.
>
> I don't know if I get you right, but in my eyes, you could attain 
> non-linearity by having each of your sections, subsections, equations, 
> figures, tables, lists, etc be individual tiddlers which you can tag and 
> transclude, independently of the use of Latex formatting in the text field.
>
> If I understood correctly the advice by "Javier Rojas", a lot of custom 
> formatting can be achieved by using html and css. So for the time being I 
> am now trying to learn how to do just that, because my work does NOT 
> include special notations (like Phonetic notation). If I hit the wall then 
> I'll come again here and ask.
>
> But our needs may differ. if you need some complex formattings -the likes 
> of math or chem notation- I can´t think of an alternative to Latex.  In 
> this context I found the link provided by "Ste" very useful.
>
> The demo linked by "TW Tones" shows a whole universe of plugins, which I 
> am slowly trying to explore. Take a look... maybe there is something for 
> you there.
>
> I have never tried auto-numbering, but if  each of your sections, 
> subsections, equations, figures tables and lists are different tiddlers, 
> then maybe all you need would be some kind of plugin which can calculate a 
> numbering and place it on a field which you can then show as you see fit. I 
> wonder if a plugin with such functionality exists.
>
> Wish you a nice day.
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 3:39:28 AM UTC+9 rahulka...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to put my thoughts here. Apology if all of this doesn't fit 
>> here. 
>> I believe that Latex does not represent the non-linear structure of 
>> knowledge as tiddlywiki does. However,  I'm basically trying to get a 
>> document with best features of formatting as close to latex as possible. 
>> I am also interested in knowing people's thoughts about auto-numbering of 
>> sections (sub-sections), equations, figures, tables and lists. All of these 
>> has to be consistent especially when you transclude otherwise we're losing 
>> the most powerful feature of tiddlywiki. 
>>
>> -Rahul
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 6:05:34 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Jero,
>>>
>>> Some work a few of us are doing is likely to assist you here. With Mario 
>>> as the key coder we are working on and there is a demo of it see 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikidev/c/vS5ZI0FCiIY
>>>
>>> Basically it allows the definition of extended and customised mark-up. 
>>> In time I believe a library of custom mark-up could address any authors 
>>> needs. 
>>>
>>> I am keen to build a library of elements I will use when writing process 
>>> documents and manuals, my own or a sharable custom "mark-up language" is 
>>> possible. 
>>>
>>> In the mean time do consider making use of html elements and CSS to 
>>> alter the output as you need.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 24 November 2020 at 06:46:19 UTC+11 jero...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi!

 Wikitext offers great formatting options, but in specific use cases 
 there can be a legitimate need for some more granularity in controling 
 features like line breaks, indents and line spacing.

 Yesterday I happened to read about the Katex plugin for TW in the 
 documentation of Tiddlyshow.
 As I have no previous experience with Latex (and a search for ["Katex" 
 "plain text"] in this Google Group didn't yield the kind of results I 
 expected) I'm now asking this question here in the hope that it makes 
 sense: 

 Besides of mathematical and chemical typesetting: Is it also possible 
 to have some Latex plain text typesetting in Tiddlywiki using the Katex 
 plugin?

 Background:

 Much of the formatting we apply to plain text in Foreign Language 
 teaching materials (slides, handouts and the like) can be considered 
 "semantic formatting". 
 Wikitext can not offer all of the text formatting features we need 
 -maybe in part this is due to limitations imposed by the browsers.

 Before the pandemic, I used to create most of my classroom slides and 
 PDF printouts in LibreOffice. But this year I finally decided to carry out 
 a transition towards the goal of integrating all my teaching-related tasks 
 in Tiddlywiki only.

 I have been using Wikitext tables as a way to hack some of the current 
 limitations on indents and line breaks, but this method of editing feels 
 rather strenuous and suboptimal.

 If Latex plain text compatibility in Tiddlywiki is possible, I would 
 definitely want to go down the rabbithole of making out a workflow. This 
 might involve doing the writing in a dedicated Latex editor, and then 
 exporting/pasting the text into tiddlers.

 What do you think?

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly Desktop

[maruadv...@gmail.com]

Mark,

I am running version 0.0.14.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 8:54:02 AM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:

> You didn't mention which version of TD you're running. I think people have 
> had trouble with 14. I've been using 13 (when I use it at all).
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 6:23:31 AM UTC-8 maruadv...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> New to TD.  Existing TWs I add to TD work fine, no issues.
>>
>> Problem:
>>
>> When I attempt to create a new wiki via TD however the program does 
>> attempt to create a new blank wiki. The rub is from there it displays the 
>> wiki as if I had selected 'view source' from the browser. All the text and 
>> scripting is displayed as ascii text. Everything then freezes and I have to 
>> kill the TD process manually to regain control.
>>
>> Observations:
>>
>> * TD does not create the file with an extension suffix.
>> * The OS does recognize the new file as html even without the extension
>> *  Attempting to remove with TD does not work on the file created.
>>
>> OS: Linux 5.4.0-58 x86_64
>> Browser: Chrome Version 87.0.4280.88 (Official Build) (64-bit)
>> TW: Lastest release 5.1.23
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[maruadv...@gmail.com]

Pretty good tool at its current level of development. I mean I could use it 
as a personal planner 'as-is'. 

If you have thoughts of developing it to an group level app a few additions 
--

* A field of who a task is assigned to.
* predecessor, successor (technically there already for someone who knows 
tiddly, need to make it obvious to the noob.)
* Percentage complete field within a task.

Like they say in the movies 'I like this!'.

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 9:26:23 PM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Tamasha is a pure wikitext (pure Tiddlywiki scripts no JS) plugin for 
> presentation and slideshow.
> The idea was taken from my older plugin Tiddlyshow (
> https://kookma.github.io/Tiddlyshow/)
>
> The reason to develop another presentation plugin was to have a simpler 
> and a more natural TW plugin. Tamasha is around 20kb and has many features 
> of MS Powerpoint and Google Slides and Beamer LaTeX. The other reason was 
> the increasing need of such tools for my own online classes. The lectures 
> can be distributed simply as a single or few Tiddlywiki files.
>
> To shine your ideas buried in tiddlers just tag them and fire your 
> presentation by calling a small macro whenever you want. A tiddler can be 
> part of several presentations.
> You can even have two or more presentations in a single tiddler just by 
> calling the presenter macro several times with different settings.
>
> It supports almost all Tiddlywiki features, and works with most plugins 
> and themes, e.g. KaTeX, Highlight.js, Shiraz, Streams, Todolist, Notebook, 
> Projectify, ...
> Tamasha supports templates (to customize what to display) and themes 
> (fonts, colors and fancy things,...)
> Like all commercial presentation software, it supports keyboard shortcuts 
> for navigation, ...
>
> I plan to add features like export a presentation to PDF, export to zip 
> file, zooming and online annotation and laser pointer, ...
>
> I have attached a small video to present the under development Tamasha.
>
> I like to *get your feedback* in advance to see what you like to have in 
> a presentation plugin. Share with me your wish list.
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[coda coder]

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 2:49:53 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Right now Tamasha uses the hover mechanism, 
>

For what, exactly? "hover" is a CSS term, btw.
 

> but what I mean is while the mouse /pointer is on the slide,
>

slide = presentation in my example.
 

> it could be hidden 
>

it being the navigation bar? That's what my dmo does.

and also nav button after 5 seconds or specified time.
>
>
If you want to specify timings, you'll need JavaScript.

BTW, hover/mouseover techniques won't work in pointerless environments 
(e.g. mobile).




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Re: [tw5] Re: Can tag adding trigger field creation?

[Pit.W.]

Stéphane,


I had the same issue and I solved it by creating a special button, which 
adds both a tag and one or more fields.


When using it for some time it occurred to me that - if I need both a 
tag and a field with always the same contents, something is flawed with 
my data model or my processes, since I am creating redundant information 
stored in different places.


And it took only a short time until these redundancies made me very 
unhappy


Also see Tones last sentence: "what if the field already exists" - also 
a way to become unhappy ;/



Pit.W

Am 28.01.2021 um 12:02 schrieb TW Tones:

Stéphane,

/Can tag adding, trigger field creation?/

To answer this question directly if you provide the method to add a 
tag, like construct your own button, you can always add an additional 
action to create a field.


I am sure we can find a way to hack the existing add tag system to 
also add a field but do you want this field added every time any tag 
is added?


When you are ready explain what you are trying to achieve with this 
tag and field and when or if, its always needed, what if the field 
already exists etc...


Regards
Tones

On Thursday, 28 January 2021 at 00:50:03 UTC+11 Misterel85 wrote:

Hi Tones,
Thanks for your reply.
Sorry if I didn't clearly express 'what I would like', and sorry
if providing steps on how I was seeing the mechanism I had in mind
didn't help. I'll try to improve what I have already done and
rephrase it accordingly.
Anyway, the macro you provided is very interesting and could be
really useful. It should be added to TiddlyWiki's documentation
which doesn't provide any examples about the tag-picker.
Also thanks for your 'standard nomenclature' you recently posted
about. This is a great piece of work!
Cheers,
Stéphane



Le mardi 26 janvier 2021 à 01:37:43 UTC+1, TW Tones a écrit :

Stéphane L.

You are aware that in your section *So, here's what I would
like:*  you are in many ways forcing the solution rather than
truly stating "what you would like". Perhaps avoid tiddlywiki
jargon and ask again, then responders can suggest solutions
beyond the limitations you are implying.

As far as I can see, In database speak you want multiple
values in your source field, there are many ways to achieve
this in tiddlywiki.

I recently discovered we can use the tag-picker macro against
another field, try this;

Source tags: <>
<$list filter="[{!!source}enlist-input[]]">
  <>


  * You can also trigger actions on selection with the tag picker.


Regards
Tones
On Monday, 25 January 2021 at 00:48:10 UTC+11 Misterel85 wrote:

Hi,

I started gathering all the drama activities I have
collected over the years from miscellaneous sources into a
TW single file.

To quote the source of an activity (= one tiddler per
activity / exercise), I have used so far:

  * a tag, itself tagged as 'Source', and that holds the
main source reference in its text field (website,
book, event title and description);
  * a 'source_detail' field in the activity tiddler, that
contains the  reference details of the activity, such
as the book page number, etc.

Both the source tag's text field and the 'source_detail'
field are then transcluded into the activity, thanks to a
macro adapted from Tobias Beer's filter and list examples

.

That works great when the activity has only one source.
Some (nearly) identical activities, however, can be found
on several sources: books, web pages, notes from events I
took part in, etc. And I would like to quote them all in
the activity tiddlers.

So, here's what I would like:

 1. I create an activity tiddler.
 2. I create the corresponding generic source tag
tiddler(s) if they don't already exist. Ex. a tiddler
tag whose text field holds info about a (hypothetical)
'dramatis.com ' website would be
called 'dramatis' and tagged 'Source'.
 3. For every time I add a source tag to the activity
tiddler, TW checks whether a corresponding source
detail field exists in that current activity tiddler.
 4. If not, it retrieves the name of the tag and creates a
new field named after that tag. In the example above,
a corresponding field named 'dramatis_detail' or
simply 'dramatis' would be added in the current
activity 

[tw5] Re: Can tag adding trigger field creation?

[TW Tones]

Stéphane,
  
*Can tag adding, trigger field creation?*

To answer this question directly if you provide the method to add a tag, 
like construct your own button, you can always add an additional action to 
create a field. 

I am sure we can find a way to hack the existing add tag system to also add 
a field but do you want this field added every time any tag is added?

When you are ready explain what you are trying to achieve with this tag and 
field and when or if, its always needed, what if the field already exists 
etc...

Regards
Tones

On Thursday, 28 January 2021 at 00:50:03 UTC+11 Misterel85 wrote:

> Hi Tones,
> Thanks for your reply.
> Sorry if I didn't clearly express 'what I would like', and sorry if 
> providing steps on how I was seeing the mechanism I had in mind didn't 
> help. I'll try to improve what I have already done and rephrase it 
> accordingly.
> Anyway, the macro you provided is very interesting and could be really 
> useful. It should be added to TiddlyWiki's documentation which doesn't 
> provide any examples about the tag-picker.
> Also thanks for your 'standard nomenclature' you recently posted about. 
> This is a great piece of work!
> Cheers,
> Stéphane
>
>
>
> Le mardi 26 janvier 2021 à 01:37:43 UTC+1, TW Tones a écrit :
>
>> Stéphane L. 
>>
>> You are aware that in your section  *So, here's what I would like:*  you 
>> are in many ways forcing the solution rather than truly stating "what you 
>> would like". Perhaps avoid tiddlywiki jargon and ask again, then responders 
>> can suggest solutions beyond the limitations you are implying.
>>
>> As far as I can see, In database speak you want multiple values in your 
>> source field, there are many ways to achieve this in tiddlywiki.
>>
>> I recently discovered we can use the tag-picker macro against another 
>> field, try this;
>>
>> Source tags: <> 
>> <$list filter="[{!!source}enlist-input[]]">
>>   <>
>> 
>>
>>
>>- You can also trigger actions on selection with the tag picker.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> On Monday, 25 January 2021 at 00:48:10 UTC+11 Misterel85 wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I started gathering all the drama activities I have collected over the 
>>> years from miscellaneous sources into a TW single file.
>>>
>>> To quote the source of an activity (= one tiddler per activity / 
>>> exercise), I have used so far:
>>>
>>>- a tag, itself tagged as 'Source', and that holds the main source 
>>>reference in its text field (website, book, event title and description);
>>>- a 'source_detail' field in the activity tiddler, that contains 
>>>the  reference details of the activity, such as the book page number, 
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Both the source tag's text field and the 'source_detail' field are then 
>>> transcluded into the activity, thanks to a macro adapted from Tobias 
>>> Beer's filter and list examples 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> That works great when the activity has only one source. Some (nearly) 
>>> identical activities, however, can be found on several sources: books, web 
>>> pages, notes from events I took part in, etc. And I would like to quote 
>>> them all in the activity tiddlers.
>>>
>>> So, here's what I would like:
>>>
>>>
>>>1. I create an activity tiddler.
>>>2. I create the corresponding generic source tag tiddler(s) if they 
>>>don't already exist. Ex. a tiddler tag whose text field holds info about 
>>> a 
>>>(hypothetical) 'dramatis.com' website would be called 'dramatis' and 
>>>tagged 'Source'.
>>>3. For every time I add a source tag to the activity tiddler, TW 
>>>checks whether a corresponding source detail field exists in that 
>>> current 
>>>activity tiddler.
>>>4. If not, it retrieves the name of the tag and creates a new field 
>>>named after that tag. In the example above, a corresponding field named 
>>>'dramatis_detail' or simply 'dramatis' would be added in the current 
>>>activity tiddler.
>>>5. If I delete a source tag (ex. the 'dramatis' tag), the 
>>>corresponding 'dramatis' field would also be deleted. (That step may not 
>>> be 
>>>necessary if step 3 is implemented.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope my explanations were clear. I can't work it out because I've been a 
>>> TW beginner for months, I can't understand everything in the very technical 
>>> and programer-oriented TW documentation, and so far, my needs have always 
>>> been very basic. Time for me to improve my TW knowledge!
>>>
>>> Do you think something like that could be done? If not, would anybody 
>>> happen to think of a similar solution on how to manage multiple sources and 
>>> reference details, and the  different steps to implement it?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Stéphane L.
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Jeronimo,
As a simple solution for now

Create a template like below

title: jrm
tags: $:/tags/Tamasha/Template

\define mystyle() background-color:$(background)$;
<$vars background={{{[get[background]]}}} >
> >
<$link to=<> />
<$transclude tiddler=<> mode=block/>




Then create few slides (tiddlers) tagged with jero with a background field
(you put a color name or code in this field for each tiddler like yellow,
cyan , etc..
Then call the presenter

  <>

  If you are familiar with CSS, you can do many customization.


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 11:00 PM Jeronimo Minino 
wrote:

> Hi Mohammad.
>
> It's me again. Regarding the kind invitation to share our wishes for a
> presentation plug-in, here I have one:
>
> I wish to integrate different slide themes within the same presentation.
> Would Tamasha allow that?
>
> Background:
> When teaching foreign language classes I often make presentations to
> discuss four or five different aspects of a short text.
> I'd  like to show the text on a slide, and while we read it, I will make
> some 15 to 20 comments (one slide per comment), each comment touching on
> one of the aspects.
> Well, one text and four or five aspects of it being discusssed back and
> forth... that's a total of six different kinds of slide contents.
> In such a presentation I'd like to be able to assign a black theme
> to the main text slide, and 4 or five differently colored themes to the
> other slides, according to the aspect discussed in each one of them.
> Goal is to use each theme's different color, look and feel as a strong
> visual hint of the aspect being discussed at any given time during the
> presentation.
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:52:23 PM UTC+9 Jeronimo Minino wrote:
>
>> Hi, Mohammad!
>> Tamasha looks great, thank you so much for sharing your excellent work.
>>
>> 2 comments:
>>
>> 1.
>> About the progress bar:
>>
>> I think the progress bar will be very useful for students who see lesson
>> presentations,
>> specially in such situations where the presenter must go back and forth
>> between slides,
>> because at any moment the student can perceive the position of the
>> current slide along a simple linear structure.
>>
>> For that reason, in some cases I will want to make the progress bar even
>> more visible and conspicuous (a thick, custom-colored bar!).
>> How can I make such modification by myself?
>> In which tiddler is the code located which effects color and thickness of
>> the progress bar?
>>
>> 2.
>> About "templates" in Tamasha:
>>
>> I don't understand what those templates are or what they do. Have I
>> missed the place where this is documented?
>>
>> Have a nice day!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:49:15 AM UTC+9 Ste wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mohammed
>>> JD's white space theme (I think) has that hover over and disappear
>>> effect your looking for. I have no clue how he achieved it... M
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 19:56:53 UTC Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>>
 Mohammad Rahmani  writes:

 > Hope someone come with a solution (of course without JS)

 Why not use a bit of JavaScript there? Are you trying to avoid
 JavaScript for some reason?

 Cheers,
 Nico

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[tw5] Re: How to launch batch scripts from TiddlyDesktop in linux?

[Dragon Cotterill]

Nah, using xgb-mime uninstall simply removes the actual software that 
changes the mime-types. Does nothing to remove the associations.
As you say, delete the entry from the mimeapps.list and it will stop the 
association (after a re-boot that is).

My warning about hackers is that the action can execute a script. Depending 
on how your script is written it may be possible to have very unintended 
consequences with allowing scripts to be run direct from a URL. The changes 
of this happening are extremely low though as the hacker will need to know 
what mime type and protocol you chose.

As to node.js, thats an whole 'nother kettle of fish.

On Thursday, 28 January 2021 at 03:18:48 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> Thanks Dragon for the reply!
>
> It doesn't work inside a node.js instance, but then I'm not sure it was 
> supposed to. It does work from TiddlyDesktop, so that's great!
>
> Re security, how do I back out these changes? It looks like maybe I just 
> have to delete a line from ./.config/mimeapps.list ?? Otherwise, all the 
> instructions talk about using xgb-mime uninstall, but I'm not sure that's 
> the same thing since I didn't use xgb-mime install in the first place.
>
> Also, if it can only be invoked from something like TiddlyDesktop running 
> as user, how would the hacker gain access? Also, if someone can write to my 
> drive and change the script, haven't I already been hacked? Just trying to 
> understand the issues.
>
> Many thanks again -- this was definitely not intuitive !
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-8 dragon.c...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the wonderful world of Security Vulnerabilities and 
>> Work-arounds. Don't worry, this is my job.
>>
>> OK, you need to register a new URL scheme handler. First create a Desktop 
>> Entry which specifies the mime-type. For example:
>>
>> [Desktop Entry]
>> Type=Application
>> Name=TW Bash Script
>> Exec=twscript.sh %u
>> StartNotify=false
>> MimeType=x-scheme-handler/twscript;
>>
>> Note that the %u passes the URL (eg. twscript://parameters%20here ) as a 
>> single parameter, according to the Desktop Entry Specification. 
>> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
>>
>> Once you have created this Desktop Entry and installed it (put it in the 
>> local system applications directory ( ~/.local/share/applications/ or 
>> /usr/share/application/ ) then you must register the application with 
>> the MIME type (assuming you had named your Desktop Entry twscript.desktop
>>
>> xdg-mime default twscript.desktop x-scheme-handler/twscript
>>
>> Any script can then be added to the twscript.sh (make sure it's 
>> executable of course) and you can parse parameters just as any other 
>> script. The script should be placed anywhere in your executable path 
>> ~/.local/bin for example.
>>
>> In the twscript.sh you'll have to add whatever parsing you need. You 
>> can't run separate scripts, but parameters are passed and can be checked 
>> and dealt with as appropriate.
>>
>> Now, when an application finds the URL twscript:// it knows exactly what 
>> to do with it.
>>
>> *WARNING! This will make your system vulnerable to anybody who knows the 
>> MIME type that you have used. They could create a script which would 
>> execute on your computer. I would advise against this, but there you go.*
>>
>> Have fun,
>>
>> Dragon.
>> On Saturday, 23 January 2021 at 19:19:16 UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for replying! It does have the correct shebang, and runs fine 
>>> from the command line. If I could include spaces in the file url, then I 
>>> could run "/usr/bin/sh /path/to/my/script.sh". But I I don't know how to do 
>>> that in a url line without converting to to %20 , which the OS wouldn't 
>>> understand.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 10:04:23 AM UTC-8 jwd wrote:
>>>
 What you may be looking for is the correct "Shebang 
 " line at the top of the 
 script that determines the interpreter to use (assuming the executable bit 
 has been set.)

 Typically I would use something like
 #!/usr/bin/env bash
 or, if you want to be specific
 #!/path/to/your/systems/bash

 The former will use the bash executable found first in the PATH of the 
 environment of the TiddlyDesktop process; the latter would be preferred 
 unless the script might run on systems where the path to the interpreter 
 my 
 differ, e.g., Macs have an old version of bash by default; while different 
 Linux distributions' bash may be in /bin or /usr/bin.

 HTH
 On Friday, January 22, 2021 at 5:14:22 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao Mark S.
>
> I really looked into it. TBH I can't truthfully reply to your simple 
> question.
>
> Background: I using (mainly) Timimi to launch from TW (it is fairly 
> complex & now retired in the recent version); TiddlyDesktop (fussy, 
> mainly 
> because 

Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

While Mike answered your question, I like to emphasize that the current
release does not automatically use tiddler custom class, but you can do it.
It is not on the todo list for now.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:34 AM Jeronimo Minino 
wrote:

> Mike,
> Thank you very much for the reply.
> Maybe I can roughly understand what you mean...
> My guess is that it goes like this:
>
> 1. tiddler formatting seems to be basically html
>  (the other day I learnt some html tags, and I was very surprised
>by the results I achieved just by fooling around with them within a
> tiddler's text:
>Things I spent years thinking that were impossible to do in
> Tiddlywiki,
>like very granular font sizing, line breaks, line spacing,
> indenting and the like.)
>
> 2. It seems that css is the way to go about applying html formatting in
> the real world.
>  I have a rough idea of the way css works, but still have to learn and
> practice a lot.
>
> 3. There seem to be specific ways (maybe caled "Mechanisms"?) to manage
> css formatting
>   within the structure of Tiiddlywiki.
>I am guessing that the link you kindly showed me points into that
> direction.
>I took a look on the list of tiddlers linked there and I do not
> understand a single thing.
>I am very eager to learn those things, but don´t know exactly what
> knowledge is that
>I'm lacking, and where to find it.
>
> 4.My guess is that if I study the chapter 6 ("Page and tidddler layout
> customisation")
>of "The Book of Tiddlywiki" (by Fernández Caballero et al.), then I
> could probably understand
>most of the things listed in tiddlywiki.com under "How to apply
> custom styles".
>But I am still on a lower level. That chapter still doesn´t make
> much sense to me, and I
>really wonder what is it that I should learn in order to bridge the
> gap.
>
>Any suggestions would be very welcome!!!
>
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:58:03 AM UTC+9 mwik...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I would imagine that using the custom styles mechanism would be a way to
>> apply tiddler-specific formatting even in the context of slides. You'd need
>> to know the classes and styles that you want to over-ride though.
>>
>> See this link for more details:
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20apply%20custom%20styles
>>
>> /Mike
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:30:47 PM UTC-4 jero...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mohammad.
>>>
>>> It's me again. Regarding the kind invitation to share our wishes for a
>>> presentation plug-in, here I have one:
>>>
>>> I wish to integrate different slide themes within the same presentation.
>>> Would Tamasha allow that?
>>>
>>> Background:
>>> When teaching foreign language classes I often make presentations to
>>> discuss four or five different aspects of a short text.
>>> I'd  like to show the text on a slide, and while we read it, I will make
>>> some 15 to 20 comments (one slide per comment), each comment touching on
>>> one of the aspects.
>>> Well, one text and four or five aspects of it being discusssed back and
>>> forth... that's a total of six different kinds of slide contents.
>>> In such a presentation I'd like to be able to assign a black theme
>>> to the main text slide, and 4 or five differently colored themes to the
>>> other slides, according to the aspect discussed in each one of them.
>>> Goal is to use each theme's different color, look and feel as a strong
>>> visual hint of the aspect being discussed at any given time during the
>>> presentation.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:52:23 PM UTC+9 Jeronimo Minino wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Mohammad!
 Tamasha looks great, thank you so much for sharing your excellent work.

 2 comments:

 1.
 About the progress bar:

 I think the progress bar will be very useful for students who see
 lesson presentations,
 specially in such situations where the presenter must go back and forth
 between slides,
 because at any moment the student can perceive the position of the
 current slide along a simple linear structure.

 For that reason, in some cases I will want to make the progress bar
 even more visible and conspicuous (a thick, custom-colored bar!).
 How can I make such modification by myself?
 In which tiddler is the code located which effects color and thickness
 of the progress bar?

 2.
 About "templates" in Tamasha:

 I don't understand what those templates are or what they do. Have I
 missed the place where this is documented?

 Have a nice day!




 On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:49:15 AM UTC+9 Ste wrote:

> Hi Mohammed
> JD's white space theme (I think) has that hover over and disappear
> effect your looking for. I have no clue how he achieved it... M
>
> On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 19:56:53 UTC Nicolas 

Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Jeronimo,

You can customize any aspect of Tamasha. For progressbar see styles for
progressbar. Change height and color as you like.

Templates are tiddler let you customize what you want to display. Each
tiddler is a container for a slide. It has title, fields, tags, 
You can use template to selectively display those elements. For example
vanilla looks like this

\define tv-wikilinks() no
<$transclude tiddler=<> field=title />
<$transclude tiddler=<> mode=block/>


There three templates are shipped with Tamasha.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 10:22 AM Jeronimo Minino 
wrote:

> Hi, Mohammad!
> Tamasha looks great, thank you so much for sharing your excellent work.
>
> 2 comments:
>
> 1.
> About the progress bar:
>
> I think the progress bar will be very useful for students who see lesson
> presentations,
> specially in such situations where the presenter must go back and forth
> between slides,
> because at any moment the student can perceive the position of the current
> slide along a simple linear structure.
>
> For that reason, in some cases I will want to make the progress bar even
> more visible and conspicuous (a thick, custom-colored bar!).
> How can I make such modification by myself?
> In which tiddler is the code located which effects color and thickness of
> the progress bar?
>
> 2.
> About "templates" in Tamasha:
>
> I don't understand what those templates are or what they do. Have I missed
> the place where this is documented?
>
> Have a nice day!
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:49:15 AM UTC+9 Ste wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammed
>> JD's white space theme (I think) has that hover over and disappear effect
>> your looking for. I have no clue how he achieved it... M
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 January 2021 at 19:56:53 UTC Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad Rahmani  writes:
>>>
>>> > Hope someone come with a solution (of course without JS)
>>>
>>> Why not use a bit of JavaScript there? Are you trying to avoid
>>> JavaScript for some reason?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nico
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Many thanks Coda coder,
Right now Tamasha uses the hover mechanism, but what I mean is while the
mouse /pointer is on the slide, it could be hidden and also nav button
after 5 seconds or specified time.


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 10:56 PM coda coder 
wrote:

> Drop this in a tiddler at tiddlywiki.com. If you use it, remove the
> $action-log widgets.
>
> \define nav-out-actions()
> <$action-log $$message="nav-out" $$filter="currentTiddler"
> event=<> />
> <$action-setfield $field=btn-class $value=hide />
> \end
> \define nav-over-actions()
> <$action-log $$message="nav-over" $$filter="currentTiddler"
> event=<> />
> <$action-setfield $field=btn-class $value=show />
> \end
>
> <$eventcatcher events="mouseover" selector=".pres"
> actions-mouseover=<>>
>  Presentation
> 
>
> <$eventcatcher events="mouseover mouseout" selector=".nav"
>   actions-mouseover=<>
> actions-mouseout=<>
> >
> 
>  Navigation
>  
>   
>prev next
>   
>  
> 
> 
>
> 
> .show { visibility:visible; }
> .hide { visibility:hidden; }
> .nav {
>  background-color:red;
>  color:#fff;
>  height:80px;
>  padding:30px;
> }
> .nav {
> }
> .pres {
>  background-color:blue;
>  color:#fff;
>  min-height:200px
> }
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 11:57:21 AM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:15:48 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> One issue I could not resolve yet is to hide nav buttons after a few
>>> seconds and appear it on mouse move.
>>> If you note while you keep the mouse on the slide the nav buttons are
>>> displayed.
>>>
>>> Hope someone come with a solution (of course without JS)
>>>
>>
>> You could probably get some mileage using $eventcatcher and mouseover. I
>> think I would create an area slightly larger than the the nav area and,
>> when the mouse hovers that area, show the buttons. When the mouse hovers
>> the presentation area, hide the nav buttons. Make sure you don't hide the
>> nav area itself, you will not get the buttons back ;)
>>
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[tw5] Offering a course in General Relativity using tiddlywiki (5.1.23)

[Rahul Kashyap]

Hello Everyone,

I am happy to than you guys for making an amazing tool. I wanted to share a 
sample of teaching material I prepared with it. 
https://github.com/rahulkashyap411/GR_IAR 
Please let me know copyright related issues regarding putting it for 
people's use. So far it is only for teaching and research.

Other thoughts, suggestions and questions -
I have been using TW for about 3 years and gradually became a fan of its 
structure for personal research management. 
Very soon I realized that I could use it for production quality as well, at 
least for production of short notes and results to share with colleagues 
which look nice. Inspired from this I explored and found amazing plugins 
made by amazing group of people for various purpose. I developed some of my 
own system for browsing different types of file on my local machine, 
especially managing references, codes and other files. The above links 
contain some of those. 

I also wanted to know people's thought on exports methods to Latex format. 
We don't have to worry about converting it to latex if we could get couple 
of things -- 
(1) auto-numbering equations, image-pretty, table,