[tw5] Re: Random html tags appear in my wiki

[Sandip Deshmukh]

Sorry, I could not get back earlier.

The entire content that appears at the bottom (not in a tiddler. There is 
no box around it) appears in $:/boot/boot.js <#%24%3A%2Fboot%2Fboot.js>

That tiddler does not carry any tag.

>From the introductory comments in the tiddler, this seems to be the most 
important tiddler.

How do I fix this?


On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:59:54 PM UTC+5:30 TW Tones wrote:

> Try using advanced search to find where this content is found in the wiki, 
> look at the tiddlers containing this and see if it has tags it should not.
>
> The tiddler may have a tag such as  SystemTag: $:/tags/BelowStory 
> , 
> remove this to see if its fixed, if not re tag it and keep looking.
>
> I expect a tiddler is broken or corrupt. 
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 15:02:59 UTC+10 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a plain vanilla tiddlywiki with a couple of tiddlers.
>>
>> I copied this on my Android smartphone. And opened it with tiddloid.
>>
>> All went well till I was only viewing the tiddlers.
>>
>> But after I edited/ added new tiddlers, some html markup strings started 
>> appearing at the very end. They are not part of any tiddler. And they 
>> continue to show even after I close all the tiddlers and hide the sidebar.
>>
>> I copied the wiki back to my desktop and opened it with TiddlyDesktop. 
>> The html markup strings continue to appear and behave the same way. I can 
>> select them, copy them but can not delete them.
>>
>> There seems to be no problem with the wiki otherwise ---  I can open 
>> tiddlers, edit tiddlers, etc.
>>
>> Here is what the text looks like:
>>
>> $tw.browser && !$tw.node) { $tw.passwordPrompt = new 
>> $tw.utils.PasswordPrompt(); } // Preload any encrypted tiddlers 
>> $tw.boot.decryptEncryptedTiddlers(function() { // Startup 
>> $tw.boot.startup({callback: callback}); }); }; /// 
>> Autoboot in the browser if($tw.browser && !$tw.boot.suppressBoot) { 
>> $tw.boot.boot(); } return $tw; }); if(typeof(exports) !== "undefined") { 
>> exports.TiddlyWiki = _boot; } else { _boot(window.$tw); } { 
>> $tw.boot.boot(); } return $tw; }); if(typeof(exports) !== "undefined") { 
>> exports.TiddlyWiki = _boot; } else { _boot(window.$tw); }
>>
>> How do I get rid of this annoyance?
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Tony,
Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the group and 
is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to receive email 
summary as that is the only way it would be possible for him to enjoy the 
part possible for him to use. The question was not about the reasoning for 
some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive email summary from 
this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set up?"

Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to login 
and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help from 
moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up - you 
now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has all of 
your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level.

As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare for 
questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is large 
and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs to be 
able to do so.  If questions like this is not met with answers - those 
users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost 
yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often 
happening while others loose out.

We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using 
Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special needs 
and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one of 
them.

I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it clear - 
can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails summary. Can 
you use the group fully if your only way of being able is using a screen 
reader?

Others have written earlier about having difficulty with busy screens, 
moving parts - and lot of colour - lots of changing screens with shifting 
layouts - and even more I cannot remember now. Explain how to use it for 
those - if possible.

If people with special needs are not in the target group for the the new 
group - save time and explain why.

Please think about it - and ask people to explain their problems - and try 
to find solutions. Use those points in the promotion.  Plenty of telling it 
is beautiful, easy, what some wants etc. I think most have read that by now.

And the questions have to be asked before your wished making this group 
read only - because afterwards - you will never know.

Who *IS* in the Target group for the new group? And then list the 
promoting  points - ALL of them. Show that list clearly in both groups.

Please - I did not in anyway want to offend anyone - but we are not all the 
same.
 
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:46:44 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

> Ed,
>
> Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have good 
> reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even reply on 
> a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a range of 
> problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every day.
>
> We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org puts 
> control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not "this 
> move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from the 
> community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is 
> also asking too much.
>
> I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to 
> help, and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more than 
> GG. So I am confident we can restore the functionality you want.
>
> Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you 
> transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately change 
> our minds because of your experience.
>
> If you did not see yet, signing up at  talk.tiddlywiki.org with your 
> google login is possibly the easiest entry to the new system.
>
> Yours sincerely
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 01:15:03 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
>> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
>> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
>> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
>> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
>> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
>> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
>> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
>> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
>> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
>> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
>> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. 

Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[TW Tones]

Ed,

Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have good 
reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even reply on 
a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a range of 
problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every day.

We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org puts 
control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not "this 
move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from the 
community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is 
also asking too much.

I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to help, 
and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more than GG. So 
I am confident we can restore the functionality you want.

Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you 
transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately change 
our minds because of your experience.

If you did not see yet, signing up at  talk.tiddlywiki.org with your google 
login is possibly the easiest entry to the new system.

Yours sincerely
Tony

On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 01:15:03 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
> for every post being made thats is an absolute! 
>
> Thanks, 
> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching 
>>> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community?
>>> JWH
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!

 Best,
 Joshua Fontany
 On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
 (Secret-HQ) wrote:

> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with 
> the interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads 
> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google 
> Groups 
> is that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it 
> moves 
> to Talk.TW)
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
>


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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

[strikke...@gmail.com]

I think it is due to you writing just before the post from JWH. Something 
seems to happen in the transfer. Now we really need a bug emoji added to 
the selection over therel

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 9:31:04 PM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:

> Here's something that is very concerning.
>
> Look at this thread on Discourse. At least two of the posts marked as 
> coming from me (_Mark_S_via_TiddlyWi 
> ) are actually from 
> JWH . 
>
> That's a pretty frustrating bug.
>
> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:32:41 AM UTC-7 Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, JWH —
>>
>> I think the confusion is that there are two types of Discourse boards:
>>
>>1. those hosted on Discourse.com, where someone pays to maintain an 
>>account and use their server's shared resources
>>2. those hosted privately on your own server/domain name, where the 
>>webmaster or dev team install and maintain the Discourse software
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Here's something that is very concerning.

Look at this thread on Discourse. At least two of the posts marked as 
coming from me (_Mark_S_via_TiddlyWi 
) are actually from JWH 
. 

That's a pretty frustrating bug.

On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:32:41 AM UTC-7 Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
wrote:

> Hi, JWH —
>
> I think the confusion is that there are two types of Discourse boards:
>
>1. those hosted on Discourse.com, where someone pays to maintain an 
>account and use their server's shared resources
>2. those hosted privately on your own server/domain name, where the 
>webmaster or dev team install and maintain the Discourse software
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[Ed Dixon]

Hi All,

Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
for every post being made thats is an absolute! 

Thanks, 
On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:

> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:
>
>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching "TiddlyWiki" 
>> - did I just lose access to the community?
>> JWH
>>
>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua Fontany
>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
>>> (Secret-HQ) wrote:
>>>
 I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with 
 the interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads 
 there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google Groups 
 is that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it moves 
 to Talk.TW)

 https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Uncaught TypeError: title.substr is not a function

[TW Tones]

Siniy-kit,

I don't know how to help, but if I were in this situation I would try and 
use the JSON Mangler plugin or XLSX Utilities edition to import the same 
spread sheet. Perhaps one of these will not experience the bug or fail 
gracefully helping you identify the problem.

Do join us in discourse talk.tiddlywiki.org

Tones
On Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 04:24:03 UTC+10 Siniy-Kit wrote:

> the problem was that title could non be a number (only a string), when we 
> create tiddler by 
> *if($tw.browser) {$tw.wiki.addTiddler(new 
> $tw.Tiddler($tw.wiki.getModificationFields(),fields,$tw.wiki.getCreationFields()))};*
> so I make .toString() to all values and now it works
>
> пятница, 20 августа 2021 г. в 16:11:06 UTC+3, Eric Shulman: 
>
>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 5:45:47 AM UTC-7 Siniy-Kit wrote:
>>
> Hi. I import data from this googlespreadsheet ... and get error
>>>
>> *Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart 
>>> TiddlyWiki by refreshing your browser*
>>> *Uncaught TypeError: title.substr is not a function*
>>>
>>
>> I'm not certain, but I think you need a spreadsheet column with heading 
>> of "title", so the import knows what to name each imported tiddler.
>>
>> -e
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Cannot use a variable from a filter. Can someone help me ?

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 5:13:22 AM UTC-7 vpl wrote:

> Thanks a lot; I agree for 1), 3) and 4)
> But for point 2) in fact what I need to do is the following code 
> <$vars now_date=<>>
> <>
> <$vars todayfilter="[get[task_date]match]">
> I use the *filter *operator into the list as I want to filter the 
> tiddlers based on the *task_date * field
> For each of the filtered tiddlers I display the fields in the table
>

Ah, yes...I see now.  You *do* want to find *all* tiddlers that have a 
"task_date" field, not just check the current tiddler.

More, When I try the below code I get a Tiddler exception (attached in my 
> previous post ...)
>
Is there a bug in the *filter *operator or something wrong I'm doing ?
>

I think you missed a change on line 1.  Instead of:
<$vars now_date=<>>
you want:
<$vars target=<>> 

-e

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[tw5] Re: Cannot use a variable from a filter. Can someone help me ?

[vpl]

Hi,
Thanks a lot; I agree for 1), 3) and 4)

But for point 2) in fact what I need to do is the following code 
<$vars now_date=<>>
<>
<$vars todayfilter="[get[task_date]match]">
<$list filter="[regexp[db___]!sort[task_start_time]filter]">

<$link><$view field="task_date"/>
<$view field="tags"/>
<$view field="task_comment"/>
<$view field="task_start_time"/>
<$view field="task_end_time"/>




I use the *filter *operator into the list as I want to filter the tiddlers 
based on the *task_date * field
For each of the filtered tiddlers I display the fields in the table
If I put the "get[task_date]" directly into my final filter  like that (<$list 
filter="[regexp[db___]!sort[task_start_time] [get[task_date]match ">) 
I do not have the tiddler fields to display

More, When I try the below code I get a Tiddler exception (attached in my 
previous post ...)

Is there a bug in the *filter *operator or something wrong I'm doing ?

Regards




Le lundi 23 août 2021 à 13:45:27 UTC+2, Eric Shulman a écrit :

> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 1:24:58 PM UTC-7 vpl wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to run the following code (at the end of the message) which 
>> uses a variable called 'target' (that contains the current date) into a 
>> filter called todayfilter
>>
> \define now_val()
>> <$vars now_date=<>>
>> <$vars  target={{{ [] }}}>
>> <>
>> <$vars todayfilter="[get[task_date]compare:string:eg[]]">
>>
>
> Replace the first four lines of the macro with these three lines:
> <$vars target=<>>
> <>
> <$vars todayfilter="[get[task_date]match]">
>
> Notes:
> 1) Assign the date to the target variable in one step.  There's no need 
> for "now_date".
> 2) The filter needs  preceding get[task_date], otherwise 
> it will get the task_date value from *every* tiddler that has that field!
> 3) The compare "mode" should be "eq" (abbreviation of "equal") not "eg".
> 4) For a simple string comparison, you can use the "match" filter operator.
>
> Let me know how it goes,
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Cannot use a variable from a filter. Can someone help me ?

[Eric Shulman]

On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 1:24:58 PM UTC-7 vpl wrote:

> I'm trying to run the following code (at the end of the message) which 
> uses a variable called 'target' (that contains the current date) into a 
> filter called todayfilter
> \define now_val()
> <$vars now_date=<>>
> <$vars  target={{{ [] }}}>
> <>
> <$vars todayfilter="[get[task_date]compare:string:eg[]]">
>

Replace the first four lines of the macro with these three lines:
<$vars target=<>>
<>
<$vars todayfilter="[get[task_date]match]">

Notes:
1) Assign the date to the target variable in one step.  There's no need for 
"now_date".
2) The filter needs  preceding get[task_date], otherwise it 
will get the task_date value from *every* tiddler that has that field!
3) The compare "mode" should be "eq" (abbreviation of "equal") not "eg".
4) For a simple string comparison, you can use the "match" filter operator.

Let me know how it goes,

enjoy,
-e

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