[tw5] Re: Spell checking in Linux TiddlyDesktop

2021-10-16 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Works on my Linux xubuntu TD  v14.

Thoughts.

Sometimes it's better to get the release at the release point (e.g. v14), 
rather than a pre-release which might be in an indeterminate state.

Possibly it "borrows" from the local Chrome installation. Does spell-check 
work when you run chrome or chromium ?

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:34:31 PM UTC-7 lisa.g...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I moved my tablet from Windows to Linux (Fedora) and everything is working 
> smoothly, with the exception of spell checking when editing within 
> TiddlyDesktop itself (V15 prelease 2). Spell checking while editing the 
> same wiki in Firefox works fine and it worked in TD, same wiki, in WIndows 
> and MacOS.
>
> Is there anything I need to do special to get this to work on Fedora?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Lisa
>

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[tw5] Re: searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

2021-10-16 Thread Stobot
CarloGgi, just to address your note about it being unintuitive and not 
documented, I agree that at first it seems very strange! However it *is* 
documented in a few places where I think it should be 
(https://tiddlywiki.com/#title%20Operator). Do you have a suggestion where 
else it should be noted? Maybe we can submit a change request if you have a 
good idea. To expand a bit, this (below) is what's shown (note the last 
line in particular about it being a "constructor") and the alternative 
syntax that would do what you expected (field operator) which is a 
"modifier":

[image: titleoperator.PNG]

If you follow the link to constructor you'll see them described and call 
out the title example again, as it's the most common. 

[image: selectionconstructors.PNG]
You may have noticed that on the "title Operator" tiddler, there's a tag 
saying it's a "Selection Constructor". If you click it, you'll get a 
drop-down of other operators that work that way. 

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 2:59:13 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:

> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
>
>>
>> Aside:
>>
>> Some filter operators filter an existing title list. Others generate 
>> lists without input. Filter operator "list" and "title" are in the latter 
>> category.
>>
>>>
>
> Also, filter operator *tag* can function in either manner, depending on 
> context. 
>
>

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[tw5] Spell checking in Linux TiddlyDesktop

2021-10-16 Thread Lisa Rowell
I moved my tablet from Windows to Linux (Fedora) and everything is working 
smoothly, with the exception of spell checking when editing within 
TiddlyDesktop itself (V15 prelease 2). Spell checking while editing the 
same wiki in Firefox works fine and it worked in TD, same wiki, in WIndows 
and MacOS.

Is there anything I need to do special to get this to work on Fedora?

Thanks.

Lisa

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[tw5] Re: searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

2021-10-16 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

>
> Aside:
>
> Some filter operators filter an existing title list. Others generate lists 
> without input. Filter operator "list" and "title" are in the latter 
> category.
>
>>

Also, filter operator *tag* can function in either manner, depending on 
context. 

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[tw5] Re: searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

2021-10-16 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
This should do what you literally asked for ...

<$set name="my_tiddler" value="tiddler-X">
<$list filter="[tag[mytag]contains:my_tiddlers_list]" >
Tiddler <> has <> in field my_tiddlers_list 




Aside:

Some filter operators filter an existing title list. Others generate lists 
without input. Filter operator "list" and "title" are in the latter 
category.
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-7 CarloGgi wrote:

> it turns out that in any filter written as
>
>  filter="[[whatever_selection_here]title[xyzxyz]]"
>
> all the selection preceding the step with tiddler's title is dropped and 
> only that title is retained and passed on to the next step -if there is 
> any. (And this wheter any xyzxyz tiddler exists or not by the way).
>
> so for example 
>
>  filter="[tag[bar]title[foo]]"
>
> outputs foo, even if tiddler foo has no 'bar' tag at all, and even if 
> tiddler foo doesn't exist. This explains the apparently strange behavior 
> above, and it is also quite counter-intuitive (one would intuitively expect 
> the filter to output all the tiddlers -zero or one actually- that match 
> title 'foo' and are tagged 'bar') so this behavior would deserve to be  
> highlighted strongly in the documentation IMHO.
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 7:01:53 PM UTC+3 CarloGgi wrote:
>
>> with reference to my previous post, no need to say neither this code 
>> works for the inner filter:
>> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>> ...
>>filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]">
>>
>> nor this:
>>
>> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>> ...
>>filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]]">
>>
>> they both always output the value of <>, whether it was 
>> included in my_tiddlers_list or not.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+3 CarloGgi wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo again,
>>> I have some tiddlers with a special field, call it 'my_tiddlers_list' 
>>> that stores, not hard to guess, a list of other tiddlers. By 'list' I mean 
>>> to say the result of an <$action-listops xxx subfilter> widget, which is 
>>> indeed some 'collection' of items separated by whitespace. I don't know if 
>>> that's a 'list' in the sense of a type of variable (does TW have any 
>>> variable types after all? It seems it doesn't).
>>> Anyway, how do I go to check if a given tiddler 'tiddler-X' is included 
>>> in the list of tiddlers stored into field 'my_tiddlers_list' of a[ny] 
>>> tiddler? When I transclude the reference to 'my_tiddlers_list' as in 
>>> {{!!my_tiddlers_list}}what i get is a unique 'string'. How do I split it up 
>>> into its single member items? And once split the string into tokens (its 
>>> member items), ho do I perform the comparison check?
>>>
>>> So far, I came up with this very beginner-level code (I'm sure there are 
>>> more elegant, concise ways to write it, merging the two filters into a 
>>> single one and getting rid of one of the <$list> cycles) that tries to 
>>> exploit 'enlist' operator. I leave some parts as 'pseudocode' because I 
>>> don't know how to write them:
>>>
>>> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>>>
>>> <$list  filter="[tag[mytag]has:field[my_tiddlers_list]]" >
>>><$list 
>>> filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}canIDoTheComparisonHere?]">
>>> orShallICompareHere? AndIfSo,How?
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> but have no clue if I'm going the right way and how to do the comparison 
>>> check.
>>>
>>> Writing inner filter as filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}[tiddler-X]]" 
>>> doesn't work, nor does it work writing it as 
>>> filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}][tiddler-X]]". In both cases I get 
>>> <> valued as tiddler-X, regardless if it is included in 
>>> my_tiddlers_list's list or not. For God's sake: why? And how do I write the 
>>> check? 
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping,
>>> CG
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to increment a variable in a list

2021-10-16 Thread vpl
as always ... just magic ! 

Thanks a lot !

Vpl

Le samedi 16 octobre 2021 à 20:19:35 UTC+2, Mark S. a écrit :

> I don't believe that you can increment a variable that way. You might be 
> able to using some sort of recursive function.
>
> But if you're using 5.2.0, you now have the *counter* attribute, so don't 
> need those extra steps:
>
> <$vars projs_list="A B C">
> <$list filter="[enlist]" variable ="proj_name_val" 
> counter="vals_rep" >
>  <> <$checkbox tiddler="projs_selection" 
> index=<>  checked=<>>  
> 
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 11:03:11 AM UTC-7 vpl wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm blocking on how to increment a counter into a list
>> I have the following code which display a list of checkbox
>>
>> I need to set the index in the DataTiddler but in the below example the 
>> <> remains to  ..
>> Anyone who has an idea why it's not working ?
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>> Regards
>>
>> <$list filter="[enlist]" variable ="proj_name_val">
>> <$vars  vals_rep ={{{ [add[1]]   }}}>
>> <>
>>  <> <$checkbox tiddler="projs_selection" 
>> index=<>  checked=<>>  
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to increment a variable in a list

2021-10-16 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I don't believe that you can increment a variable that way. You might be 
able to using some sort of recursive function.

But if you're using 5.2.0, you now have the *counter* attribute, so don't 
need those extra steps:

<$vars projs_list="A B C">
<$list filter="[enlist]" variable ="proj_name_val" 
counter="vals_rep" >
 <> <$checkbox tiddler="projs_selection" 
index=<>  checked=<>>  




On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 11:03:11 AM UTC-7 vpl wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm blocking on how to increment a counter into a list
> I have the following code which display a list of checkbox
>
> I need to set the index in the DataTiddler but in the below example the 
> <> remains to  ..
> Anyone who has an idea why it's not working ?
>
> Thanks for your help
> Regards
>
> <$list filter="[enlist]" variable ="proj_name_val">
> <$vars  vals_rep ={{{ [add[1]]   }}}>
> <>
>  <> <$checkbox tiddler="projs_selection" 
> index=<>  checked=<>>  
>
>

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[tw5] How to increment a variable in a list

2021-10-16 Thread vpl
Hi,

I'm blocking on how to increment a counter into a list
I have the following code which display a list of checkbox

I need to set the index in the DataTiddler but in the below example the 
<> remains to  ..
Anyone who has an idea why it's not working ?

Thanks for your help
Regards

<$list filter="[enlist]" variable ="proj_name_val">
<$vars  vals_rep ={{{ [add[1]]   }}}>
<>
 <> <$checkbox tiddler="projs_selection" 
index=<>  checked=<>>  

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[tw5] Re: searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

2021-10-16 Thread CarloGgi
it turns out that in any filter written as

 filter="[[whatever_selection_here]title[xyzxyz]]"

all the selection preceding the step with tiddler's title is dropped and 
only that title is retained and passed on to the next step -if there is 
any. (And this wheter any xyzxyz tiddler exists or not by the way).

so for example 

 filter="[tag[bar]title[foo]]"

outputs foo, even if tiddler foo has no 'bar' tag at all, and even if 
tiddler foo doesn't exist. This explains the apparently strange behavior 
above, and it is also quite counter-intuitive (one would intuitively expect 
the filter to output all the tiddlers -zero or one actually- that match 
title 'foo' and are tagged 'bar') so this behavior would deserve to be  
highlighted strongly in the documentation IMHO.

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 7:01:53 PM UTC+3 CarloGgi wrote:

> with reference to my previous post, no need to say neither this code works 
> for the inner filter:
> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
> ...
>filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]">
>
> nor this:
>
> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
> ...
>filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]]">
>
> they both always output the value of <>, whether it was 
> included in my_tiddlers_list or not.
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+3 CarloGgi wrote:
>
>> Hallo again,
>> I have some tiddlers with a special field, call it 'my_tiddlers_list' 
>> that stores, not hard to guess, a list of other tiddlers. By 'list' I mean 
>> to say the result of an <$action-listops xxx subfilter> widget, which is 
>> indeed some 'collection' of items separated by whitespace. I don't know if 
>> that's a 'list' in the sense of a type of variable (does TW have any 
>> variable types after all? It seems it doesn't).
>> Anyway, how do I go to check if a given tiddler 'tiddler-X' is included 
>> in the list of tiddlers stored into field 'my_tiddlers_list' of a[ny] 
>> tiddler? When I transclude the reference to 'my_tiddlers_list' as in 
>> {{!!my_tiddlers_list}}what i get is a unique 'string'. How do I split it up 
>> into its single member items? And once split the string into tokens (its 
>> member items), ho do I perform the comparison check?
>>
>> So far, I came up with this very beginner-level code (I'm sure there are 
>> more elegant, concise ways to write it, merging the two filters into a 
>> single one and getting rid of one of the <$list> cycles) that tries to 
>> exploit 'enlist' operator. I leave some parts as 'pseudocode' because I 
>> don't know how to write them:
>>
>> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>>
>> <$list  filter="[tag[mytag]has:field[my_tiddlers_list]]" >
>><$list 
>> filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}canIDoTheComparisonHere?]">
>> orShallICompareHere? AndIfSo,How?
>>  
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> but have no clue if I'm going the right way and how to do the comparison 
>> check.
>>
>> Writing inner filter as filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}[tiddler-X]]" 
>> doesn't work, nor does it work writing it as 
>> filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}][tiddler-X]]". In both cases I get 
>> <> valued as tiddler-X, regardless if it is included in 
>> my_tiddlers_list's list or not. For God's sake: why? And how do I write the 
>> check? 
>>
>> Thanks for helping,
>> CG
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

2021-10-16 Thread CarloGgi
with reference to my previous post, no need to say neither this code works 
for the inner filter:
<$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
...
   filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]">

nor this:

<$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
...
   filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]]">

they both always output the value of <>, whether it was 
included in my_tiddlers_list or not.

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+3 CarloGgi wrote:

> Hallo again,
> I have some tiddlers with a special field, call it 'my_tiddlers_list' that 
> stores, not hard to guess, a list of other tiddlers. By 'list' I mean to 
> say the result of an <$action-listops xxx subfilter> widget, which is 
> indeed some 'collection' of items separated by whitespace. I don't know if 
> that's a 'list' in the sense of a type of variable (does TW have any 
> variable types after all? It seems it doesn't).
> Anyway, how do I go to check if a given tiddler 'tiddler-X' is included in 
> the list of tiddlers stored into field 'my_tiddlers_list' of a[ny] tiddler? 
> When I transclude the reference to 'my_tiddlers_list' as in 
> {{!!my_tiddlers_list}}what i get is a unique 'string'. How do I split it up 
> into its single member items? And once split the string into tokens (its 
> member items), ho do I perform the comparison check?
>
> So far, I came up with this very beginner-level code (I'm sure there are 
> more elegant, concise ways to write it, merging the two filters into a 
> single one and getting rid of one of the <$list> cycles) that tries to 
> exploit 'enlist' operator. I leave some parts as 'pseudocode' because I 
> don't know how to write them:
>
> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>
> <$list  filter="[tag[mytag]has:field[my_tiddlers_list]]" >
><$list 
> filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}canIDoTheComparisonHere?]">
> orShallICompareHere? AndIfSo,How?
>  
> 
>
> 
>
> but have no clue if I'm going the right way and how to do the comparison 
> check.
>
> Writing inner filter as filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}[tiddler-X]]" 
> doesn't work, nor does it work writing it as 
> filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}][tiddler-X]]". In both cases I get 
> <> valued as tiddler-X, regardless if it is included in 
> my_tiddlers_list's list or not. For God's sake: why? And how do I write the 
> check? 
>
> Thanks for helping,
> CG
>

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[tw5] searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

2021-10-16 Thread CarloGgi
Hallo again,
I have some tiddlers with a special field, call it 'my_tiddlers_list' that 
stores, not hard to guess, a list of other tiddlers. By 'list' I mean to 
say the result of an <$action-listops xxx subfilter> widget, which is 
indeed some 'collection' of items separated by whitespace. I don't know if 
that's a 'list' in the sense of a type of variable (does TW have any 
variable types after all? It seems it doesn't).
Anyway, how do I go to check if a given tiddler 'tiddler-X' is included in 
the list of tiddlers stored into field 'my_tiddlers_list' of a[ny] tiddler? 
When I transclude the reference to 'my_tiddlers_list' as in 
{{!!my_tiddlers_list}}what i get is a unique 'string'. How do I split it up 
into its single member items? And once split the string into tokens (its 
member items), ho do I perform the comparison check?

So far, I came up with this very beginner-level code (I'm sure there are 
more elegant, concise ways to write it, merging the two filters into a 
single one and getting rid of one of the <$list> cycles) that tries to 
exploit 'enlist' operator. I leave some parts as 'pseudocode' because I 
don't know how to write them:

<$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>

<$list  filter="[tag[mytag]has:field[my_tiddlers_list]]" >
   <$list filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}canIDoTheComparisonHere?]">
orShallICompareHere? AndIfSo,How?
 




but have no clue if I'm going the right way and how to do the comparison 
check.

Writing inner filter as filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}[tiddler-X]]" 
doesn't work, nor does it work writing it as 
filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}][tiddler-X]]". In both cases I get 
<> valued as tiddler-X, regardless if it is included in 
my_tiddlers_list's list or not. For God's sake: why? And how do I write the 
check? 

Thanks for helping,
CG

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RE: [tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread hwwobbe
Ciao TTThanks for the link to additional information.  I'll certainly review 
that material since this topic and it's related issues are on my mind quite a 
bit lately as I re-design some systems that pre-date TW5.2.0.Best,HansSent from 
my Galaxy
 Original message From: TiddlyTweeter  
Date: 2021-10-16  09:00  (GMT-05:00) To: TiddlyWiki 
 Subject: [tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long 
Ciao Hans (hww...@gmail.com)Meanwhile, till I can find the exact Bimlas 
discussion, I did write a long note on Zettlekasten that had an interesting 
ensuing discussion ... 
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/pCcWB2zVD40/m/3YILA5jsBQAJ Best, TT 
hww...@gmail.com wrote:@TiddlyTweeterThe thoughts in this thread are a good 
review of some basic concepts would likely be helpful to newCoimers as well as 
veterans.  Hence I think there (/should be)  interest in accepting your offer 
to add some links.



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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Hans (hww...@gmail.com)

Meanwhile, till I can find the exact Bimlas discussion, I did write a long 
note on Zettlekasten that had an interesting ensuing discussion 
... https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/pCcWB2zVD40/m/3YILA5jsBQAJ 

Best, TT
 
hww...@gmail.com wrote:

> @TiddlyTweeter
>
> The thoughts in this thread are a good review of some basic concepts would 
> likely be helpful to newCoimers as well as veterans.  Hence I think there 
> (/should be)  interest in accepting your offer to add some links.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread Hans Wobbe
@ TiddlyTweeter

The thoughts in this thread are a good review of some basic concepts would 
likely be helpful to newCoimers as well as veterans.  Hence I think there 
(/should be)  interest in accepting your offer to add some links.


Cheers,
Hans


On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:26:11 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Mat wrote (slightly edit by me):
>
>> ... you ... *reuse the content in different narratives*. But if you 
>> don't reuse the content in other narratives, then there is no real need for 
>> ... fine grained partition of the content.
>
>  
>
>> ...but you say this is for your Zettelkasten ... I.e if your purpose is 
>> "zettelkasten" then wouldn't that steer how long the content of your 
>> tiddlers would be?
>>
>
> Right.  Traditional Zettelkasten entries never change their titles. And 
> they tend towards a strict, delimited, unchanging, scope. FWIW, in various 
> experiments in TW with Zettlekasten, there has been *translusion* used to 
> cope, particularly, with "inter-referring" between them.  A modest 
> extension from the basic idea of their "invariability". Bimlas has written 
> and worked extensively about this. I'll look for his links if there is 
> interest.
>
> Side comment, TT
>
> On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 6:52:53 PM UTC+2 rikagol...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use my Tiddlywiki as a Zettelkaten (work in process!) and some of my 
>>> Tiddlers are quite long. I title the Tiddler with a unique piece of 
>>> information, in my own words, and then I include a description and 
>>> resources. Some of my Tiddlers get very long...maybe too long. Is there a 
>>> best practice for Tiddler length and what to include in the Tiddler?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote (slightly edit by me):

> ... you ... *reuse the content in different narratives*. But if you don't 
> reuse the content in other narratives, then there is no real need for ... 
> fine grained partition of the content.

 

> ...but you say this is for your Zettelkasten ... I.e if your purpose is 
> "zettelkasten" then wouldn't that steer how long the content of your 
> tiddlers would be?
>

Right.  Traditional Zettelkasten entries never change their titles. And 
they tend towards a strict, delimited, unchanging, scope. FWIW, in various 
experiments in TW with Zettlekasten, there has been *translusion* used to 
cope, particularly, with "inter-referring" between them.  A modest 
extension from the basic idea of their "invariability". Bimlas has written 
and worked extensively about this. I'll look for his links if there is 
interest.

Side comment, TT

On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 6:52:53 PM UTC+2 rikagol...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I use my Tiddlywiki as a Zettelkaten (work in process!) and some of my 
>> Tiddlers are quite long. I title the Tiddler with a unique piece of 
>> information, in my own words, and then I include a description and 
>> resources. Some of my Tiddlers get very long...maybe too long. Is there a 
>> best practice for Tiddler length and what to include in the Tiddler?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread Mat
One main point with a tiddler is that you can *reuse the content in 
different narratives*. But if you don't reuse the content in other 
narratives, then there is no real need for a more fine grained partition of 
the content.

As the others describe: In practice this often means creating a tiddler of 
any arbitrary length. If the need arises to split it, then just do so. It 
is a natural and "need based" process. Often the context steers how long 
tiddlers are. Many of my tiddlers are just the tiddler title, no content 
text. Some are several pages long. Some are several pages because they are 
generated lists, but occasionally it is several pages of raw text. 
Obviously, the use case for your wiki affects this; are you a novel author 
or is the TW used for your shopping lists.

...but you say this is for your Zettelkasten (a system I've never used) so 
wouldn't you face the exact same "problem" regardless of how you manifest 
this? I.e if your purpose is "zettelkasten" then wouldn't that steer how 
long the content of your tiddlers would be?

<:-)
On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 6:52:53 PM UTC+2 rikagol...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I use my Tiddlywiki as a Zettelkaten (work in process!) and some of my 
> Tiddlers are quite long. I title the Tiddler with a unique piece of 
> information, in my own words, and then I include a description and 
> resources. Some of my Tiddlers get very long...maybe too long. Is there a 
> best practice for Tiddler length and what to include in the Tiddler?

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread TW Tones
I would support Charlies comment by pointing out a case for long tiddlers 
(when search is a available to you) that some people just find it easier 
not to break information up into smaller pieces, sometimes this draws your 
attention to the fact you are almost repeating yourself. If and when you 
must then consider breaking it up. "Horses for courses".

On Saturday, 16 October 2021 at 03:17:15 UTC+11 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day,
>
> The best practices are the ones that fit you, and they incrementally 
> evolve as you evolve making all kinds of discoveries.
>
> When you find your workflows and organization becoming unwieldy, then 
> you'll know you need to change something.  (Change when it "costs", in 
> whatever way imaginable, too much not to change.)
>
> So keep doing what you are doing, but find little moments to read about 
> features in TiddlyWiki, about plugins, about all things 
> information/knowledge/documentation management.
>
> Take all that you read and park each in the back of your mind, so that 
> when you do run into things getting unwieldy, you'll have a "wait a minute, 
> I read something about that", if not enough for you to know what to do, 
> you'll know enough to ask the kinds of questions that get you help right 
> pronto.
>
> Find little reads like What Do We Mean by Componentization (for 
> Knowledge)? 
> ,
>  
> and investigate features like transclusion 
>  (and the great "Excise 
> " feature Tones mentioned) and 
> the terrific "Details widget" plugin 
>  by 
> Thomas Elmiger .
>
> Cheers !
> On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:52:53 PM UTC-3 rikagol...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I use my Tiddlywiki as a Zettelkaten (work in process!) and some of my 
>> Tiddlers are quite long. I title the Tiddler with a unique piece of 
>> information, in my own words, and then I include a description and 
>> resources. Some of my Tiddlers get very long...maybe too long. Is there a 
>> best practice for Tiddler length and what to include in the Tiddler?
>
>

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