[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki toolmap in the welcome tiddler

[TonyM]

I second, or third the addition of a link to the toolmap in the welcome 
message.

Regards
TonyM

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:08:43 AM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> I like the new top post welcoming new people. 
>
> I wonder if the toolmap should be there so people can see the wide variety 
> of plugins that this community has developed. 
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM
>

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[tw5] Re: Static tiddler build: use dashes in filenames

[TonyM]

Brandon,

There may be a hack already but be aware the next release has a slugify 
operator and more for this very kind of example. The trick is making sure 
this process does not give rise to duplicates.

Regards
tony

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:42:27 AM UTC+10, Brandon Philips wrote:
>
> The default `tiddlywiki build --static` outputs filenames with title 
> spaces url encoded to %20. Is there anyway to change the behavior to 
> replace spaces with dashes instead of %20?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brandon
>

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[tw5] Re: Monowikis vs. Microwikis

[TonyM]

Michael,

Whilst combining wikis has its value, and it takes some time to reach 
limits, if you do so carefully they can be easy to pull apart later.  

If you have a way to logically keep two wikis separate make use of this 
fact and keep it separate, there are plenty of integration options while 
keeping them separate. Tiddlywikis work well as smart documents as well.

I have a large consolidated personal organiser but I am now starting to 
move projects or clients out to their own wiki because I can customise and 
grow them further without overlapping the functionality of the key wiki, 
however I keep project metadata in the key wkii to drive regular reviews 
and project level time frames, but the project wiki has all the detail. 
Having a wiki edition for say project makes creating a new project easier.

In my tiddlywiki development suite I have dozens if not hundreds of wikis, 
usually created to some "end" in particular, or subject, once the activity 
comes to a close the essence is extracted and packaged and the original 
wiki archived. I then place the result in a consolidated wiki.

Integrations

   - Jeds bob wiki has a number of integrations will all its child wikis, 
   whilst I place dev wikis under it, one consolidates resources which I drag 
   to the wiki in use, eg images, icons. 
   - another has all the plugins I come across, another my business plan, 
   another social media content in writing
   - Mohammad's indexing solution .https://kookma.github.io/TW-Searchwikis/ 
   is a great advance for integration, even fo0r single file wikis, you can 
   include locally searchable content that comes from another wiki, with links 
   to that content.
   - TiddlyWikis versatility allows numerous integrations and interactions 
   at a designer and user perspective you can make almost anything as an 
   integration
  - Eg you can drag and drop between one wiki and another in an iframe 
  in the current wiki.
   
Regards
tony


On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 6:18:39 AM UTC+10, Michael McDermott wrote:
>
> I'm sure this has come up before, but what are the downsides to keeping 
> one large wiki vs. several smaller ones? I mostly use mine as a sort of 
> commonplace book and have two wikis, one that is related to work (technical 
> stuff + project notes) and the other that is everything else of interest. 
> I've been considering merging them together and the couldn't really think 
> of a reason not to. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Plugin prototype: Command Palette

[TonyM]

Souk21,

Thanks so much for sharing this. I think it is superb, the more hack-able 
you can keep it the better as I can see many potential applications, why 
build them all yourself when others will do it for you?

The idea is to permit extensibility while keeping it as close to standard 
tiddlywiki features as possible, the tool could then make substantial 
contributions to many existing and future solutions.

A Wonderful discovery I just made, is any drag-able link can be dropped 
into your, and the standard search field, saving typing when the content is 
available. Copy paste is the same (of course) emphasising the value of 
being able to copy results to the clipboard.

Some ideas, please don't be overwhelmed, just inspired,

   - Done the right way the community can build a library of "commands" 
   that are practical for any user, and or designer and we can share them 
   saving development time. Can we make it respond to existing methods?
   - I see value in more than one operating mode, a limited set of commands 
   for one user/wiki mode, more for another, just to keep it simple and 
   controlled, and not too big a list when not needed.
   - It would be nice to find alternatives for most node js tiddlywiki 
   commands (where relevant)
   - It would be nice, on generating a list from a search, or filter, to be 
   able to copy the title, the list of tiddlers or the content of a tiddler to 
   the clipboard so we can rapidly acquire content from elsewhere in the wiki. 
   Helping users, authors, coders, designers.
   - Being able to write commands that interact with the server such as bob 
   would be nice. Using a server message.
   - How can we deal with passing other parameters?
   - Could we get this to past the resulting "command" into edited text 
   fields for quick coding from stored patterns. Perhaps even a separate but 
   similar tool
   - On TiddlyDesktop the actions and links can actually open file 
   explorers, apps and run batches, interacting with the local OS, so there is 
   great potential for desktop management tools or text based search and 
   execute. Work flow tools that help actually do the work.
   - The problem with actions in tiddlywiki is they always need a trigger, 
   if the act of searching for that action in the first place, also provides 
   the trigger to its execution you have really improved the interface, big 
   time.
   - Perhaps it is already possible but I would love to be able to type say 
   showcode and clicking the result would set a tag, field or config tiddler 
   to yes for a given tiddler (currentTiddler) we have methods to identify the 
   current tiddler navigated from. 


In a related project of mine, I have created a tool called "search 
indicators", which monitors the standard temp search field and presents a 
set of icons depending on the content, specifically the prefix, a little 
like your tool, I mention this because they could exchange features. I am 
yet to fully understand your features, but here is a list of the current 
methods under development. You can see how it is quite similar. Think the 
idea of the appearance of buttons and or keystrokes according to conditions 
may help keep your solution from looking too complex. I think you have some 
of these covered.

   - Detect filters with a leading [
   - Detect system tiddlers with a leading $
   - Detect macros or variables with a leading << optionally show its value.
   - Detect html with a leading < only
   - Detect and search for hash tags in text with a leading #
   - Detect if the string is the prefix for other tiddlers
   - Detect if the string is the suffix for other tiddlers
   - Detect if the string is the title of an existing tiddler, eg system 
   tiddler even if the standard results exclude system tiddlers
   - If the tiddler title exists, offer open, edit, open in new window 
   buttons
   - Detect if the string is found in a keywords field
   - Search a specific field in system tiddlers eg system-caption so system 
   tiddlers otherwise not included in non system tiddlers can be found eg tag 
   manager mat link to 

In each of these cases action buttons appear, for example if the string 
provided is a prefix for more than one tiddler then a button allowing you 
to search again with the string as the prefix is made available.

I really appreciate you sharing this with us all.

Great work.
TonyM

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:31:24 AM UTC+10, Souk21 wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
>
>
> I discovered TiddlyWiki a couple weeks ago, and I set myself to use it for 
> note taking.
> I really enjoy the trip so far, it really is a interesting piece of 
> software.
> The only thing missing for me is a proper way to search with the keyboard 
> only.
>
> There’s a shortcut to focus the search field, but unfortunately, you can’t 
> navigate the results with the arrows, and you can’t close the dropdown wit

[tw5] Re: How to import .xlsx file on my hosting when Tiddlywiki start?

[TonyM]

Sinny,

There are built in startup actions, and a plugin from someone else (for 
more functional startup actions), that can trigger any process but I think 
the dialogue will still appear.

What I am curious about is do you plan to load this for every user who 
loads the wiki, or only you responsible for publishing/saving? THis seems 
like a performance impact.

A Quick workaround could be to make a virtue of it and have a startup modal 
as if you want to refresh the data or not. You could also ties this to user 
ID, so when you load it and you were the last user I will only display the 
modal then.

I would think there may be occasions on which you would like to load the 
wiki and not import.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 4:29:22 AM UTC+10, Siniy-Kit wrote:
>
> Hi! I use .xlsx plugin to import Excel tables, and it works very well.  I 
> want to serve my dataBase.xlsx file on my hosting. And when my Tiddlywiki  
> page opens, it must automatically import all data from this table without 
> clicking buttons and import dialog.
> Is it possible to write macros for automatic file import on start? 
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatically applying tags to imported tiddlers

[TonyM]

Michael,

I have being playing with the import mechanism of late and may be able to 
help. Can you share your dropzone tagging so I can test some ideas for you, 
but the way I would like to develop custom drop zones myself.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:08:37 AM UTC+10, Michael Wiktowy wrote:
>
> Greetings,
> I am looking for some guidance. I have figured out how to apply tags to 
> tiddlers already imported by dragging and dropping them into a <$droppable> 
> zone. I am not sure how to tie into the Import system to apply these tags 
> while a file is being imported and made into a tiddler.
>
> I am interested in adding a tm-add-tag message into the flow in both a 
> drag-and-drop import into a specific <$droppable> zone as well as an import 
> initiated by the <$browse> widget.
>
> Can someone point me to an example as I don't know how to get the tiddler 
> titles from a resulting import or trigger an action while they are being 
> processed?
>
> /Mike
>

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[tw5] Re: New SoundCite plugin created

[TonyM]

fkohrt

Thanks for sharing this to the community. It does take audio closer to the 
way tiddlywiki works and makes me wonder how we may make tiddlers that 
represent audio similarly to images, even external images. 
The idea of audio to illustrate the text is also great adding a further 
dimension. 

Quite timely for me as a friend is producing audio for sales to pod casters

Thank you
Tony
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:37:45 AM UTC+10, fkohrt wrote:
>
> I've assembled a small plugin that allows to embed inline audio behind 
> text. 
>
> Demo: 
> https://fkohrt.gitlab.io/tw5-soundcite/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffk%2Fsoundcite 
> Code: https://gitlab.com/fkohrt/tw5-soundcite 
>
> It uses the SoundCite library, the official website has a few more 
> advanced examples: http://soundcite.knightlab.com/ 
>
> The implementation is rather dirty, making use of RawMarkup tags and 
> inline JavaScript and also doesn't work together with Camel Case Wiki 
> Links enabled. Still, there might be some nice use cases, so if you 
> build something cool with it, I'd be happy to see it! 
>
> Feel free to use, share and contribute, the "code" (it's really not that 
> much) is MIT licensed. And helpful feedback is also appreciated, as it's 
> my first contribution to the TiddlyWiki universe... 
>

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[tw5] Re: [META/OT] Google Groups has a new look

[TonyM]

Folks,

I reviewed this myself, and it is still under development. There are 
sufficient gaps that it will handicap the current flexibility while in my 
view offering little in return.

Lets hope it matures quickly and adds more.

Tony

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 11:32:35 PM UTC+10, Hubert wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> When I opened up GG this morning (while logged in) I saw this:
>
> [image: gg.png]
>
> I think it's being rolled out on a phased basis, as has been the case with 
> most Google redesigns over the years.
>
> It looks fresher but not necessarily better in terms of UX/functionality 
> in my opinion.
>
> Thanks,
> Hubert
>
> On Tuesday, 9 June 2020 at 14:11:53 UTC+1 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>> How did you activate this view?
>> -m
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] graphviz -- can we get nodes to function as links?

[TonyM]

Springer,

Very exciting your site of examples.

>From my perspective I want to decompose the pieces even further to very 
basic tiddlywiki. Personally I already use a range of tiddlywiki native 
representation for connections. Lets say I have a tiddlywiki that documents 
fruit based recipes and all their relationships. Using tags, link 
references and back-links, I would favour a way we can use this to generate 
the data needed for a graphical tool to represent it using its features.  
Thus the graphing tool can represent native tiddlywiki relationships. Sure 
custom tags and special fields can help it along for advance features, but 
these should be avoided, if they can be implemented in a generic way. For 
example why could we not get the grapical tool to take the image from the 
icon field, the color from the color field and a tooltip from a tooltip 
field.

The simplest approach is to make a graph generator. A Special tiddler that 
interrogates the raw tiddlywiki structure and translates it into the 
graphical language for one or more tools to then visualise.


   - Just as we have template tiddlers for static html, json, etc.. we 
   should be able to build templates that generate the graphical tools "code 
   language", the only challenging bit is identifying how to do this in a way 
   we can pass titles and wiki text it the desired parts of the graphical 
   representation like links the the relevant tiddlers.


The idea solution would be if such a visualisation system (of raw tiddler 
relationships) came along side the graphical tool itself. Even better if 
each graphic tool could come with its own  visualisation system so all 
tools can represent raw tiddlywiki data and relationships equally well. 
Such a solution will also be primed to permit further customisation and 
leveraging the graphical tools unique features, while keeping the data in 
raw tiddler forms.

I hope this makes sense, I am speaking "conceptual design" here, the 
details still need work

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 1:51:43 AM UTC+10, springer wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Super! 
>
> I would be very excited if it were possible to build a graphviz-style 
> result where the graph-building macro grabs a set of tiddler nodes based on 
> some filtered list, and pulls from some field in each tiddler for a list of 
> tiddlers (constrained to the filtered set) with "upstream-relation" to it, 
> and/or draws from some other field for a list of "downstream relations", 
> and perhaps a third field for non-directional relations. (There's some 
> redundancy if there's both an upstream and a downstream field, but that 
> would allow authors to add relations from wherever they notice them, and 
> bidirectional connections could simply result from both directions being 
> indicated, though some folks would want a "two-lane" style for 
> bi-directional connections.)
>
> The most difficult thing to replicate is the way in which diagramming 
> software actually treats the connections as entities with properties 
> (labels, line styles, colors, arrow styles). All the relevant info could in 
> theory be squeezed into the field of one of the tiddlers (for which the 
> connection is upstream, downstream, both, or neither). graphviz also allow 
> for labelled subgraph areas within a larger diagram, and for connections 
> that do all kind of complex things (whether or not incoming connections 
> should "merge" like tributaries before reaching their target), and some 
> tools track priority levels for handling connection lines that might 
> "cross", etc.). Still, if TW could harness something like the "smart" 
> layout engine of graphviz or mermaid while treating the nodes as linkable 
> tiddlers even in an otherwise "flat" diagram, that would be a fantastic 
> beginning.
>
> If the diagramming engine is truly integrated with TW, as you say, it 
> should be easy for the diagrammer to be flexible about what text to display 
> on the graph for each node (title, text, caption, and icon being the most 
> likely). Something like a node-shape field would help for flowcharts, 
> etc... presumably the linkstyle field (from plugin) would automatically 
> help with coloring label text, as well. 
>
> In case anyone is curious, some examples of diagram styles from my 
> teaching site are here: http://ethicsatwes.tiddlyspot.com/#diagrams
>
> -Springer
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 11:47:27 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Springer,
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> I'm not sure I follow where your answer is going... Is your suggestion 
>>> that *graphviz* can be modified so as to show links, or are you simply 
>>> pointing out that there's no conceptual difficulty in the idea of getting 

[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

[TonyM]

TT,

I think your framework idea is nice. But, how, practically, to do it?
>
>
Previously I posted a view template way of adding noto, however I just 
experimented with the following;

 ``Introduction``
<>
 ``Body``
<>
 ``Conclusion``
<>
This approach could be incorporated into a view template, which appears 
only if there is a Noto field or some other indicator.


You still need initialise, and the overhead of the tools visibly may be 
better behind a details widget

If mark does not work on this approach himself, (I urge him to keep it 
simple) but extendable, I can have a go after the design settles down.


Slightly off topic

This points to a reoccurring code pattern that needs to become an easy to 
use solution.

   - A View template that displays according to a condition list a tag or 
   field, or field content
   - The ability to toggle visibility on or off in the whole wiki (use View 
   template tag) or a specific tiddler override
   - A Button that appears on tiddlers according to a filter that sets the 
   condition required to activate the above view template

I have started building one, and all the techniques are known to me to 
drive each new button from a simple definition tiddler, its self created 
with a click.
The only thing that remains is identifying an effective way to generate 
multiple buttons with unique icons without making it a chore.

Regards
Tony

 

> I can give a serious example if you'd like help this.
>
> TT, x
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 9 June 2020 01:15:11 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> TT,
>>
>> I shared an implementation of noto where you do not use the macro in the 
>> tiddler, instead it is called from the view template when it finds a noto 
>> field which contains the tag. Of course you can do this as well and it 
>> makes the tag name accessible in the noto field.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:14:00 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Mark
>>>
>>> *Question: Is The Tag Name Stored Anywhere Other Than In The Macro Call?*
>>>
>>> I.e. any place in addition to <>
>>>
>>>
>>> Reason  I ask is in Inter-working with other tools I'd like to be able 
>>> to pass the tag name, but to do that I'd need somewhere to get it from. 
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Colour SVG from field?

[TonyM]

Thanks Eric,

The lesson for me to take out of this is to "think outside the double curly 
braces". I actually mean that quite seriously.

In my original problem I asked this
`{{$:/core/images/clone-button}}`
and it did not work
A good strategy is to look outside the *{{!!color}}* as something I can 
replace, "fill:*desired*;" as you have done.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:12:26 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 5:01:44 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> The Following will color the SVG image in the transcluded tiddler
>> {{$:/core/images/clone-button}}
>> Is there a simple way to get the color from the local tiddler's color 
>> field?
>>
>
> You can use a filter parameter to construct the style definition, like 
> this:
> 
> {{$:/core/images/clone-button}}
>
> Note: this can be simplified a bit more by omitting the trailing 
> semi-colon, like this:
> 
> {{$:/core/images/clone-button}}
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Colour SVG from field?

[TonyM]

Folks,

The Following will collor the SVG image in the transcluded tiddler

{{$:/core/images/clone-button}}

Is there a simple way to get the color from the local tiddlers color field?

I have tried a few methods and lost.

Thanks
Tony

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[tw5] Re: ISO date query

[TonyM]

Jon,

1200 is 12 Noon is is filled out to look as a standard date, Yes, I 
found setting it 00 hours is less helpful.

It is a valuable lesson to learn how to apply something to a set of 
tiddlers you can aplly to one tiddler;

<$button>
<$list filter="selected all relevant tiddlers">
<$action tiddlers...

Button title


Clicking the button will apply the action to all the tiddlers inside the 
list

Test the following on a copy of your wiki for safety as I do not have the 
data set to test


*\define date-yy-mm-dd(date) <$text text={{{ 
[[20$date$]split[/]join[]addsuffix[12000]] }}}/>*

<$button>
<$list filter="selected all relevant tiddlers">


*   <$wikify name=journal-date text="""<$macrocall $name=date-yy-mm-dd 
date={{!!title}}/>""" output=text>   <$action-setfield $field=journal-date 
$value=<>/>   *

Button title


For safety the following list show which tiddlers the button will change, 
make the filters match

<$list filter="selected all relevant tiddlers">



The bold text is the same method as my earlier post, it would set a correct 
journal-date for all tiddlers with a title *yy-mm-dd* 

Feel free to ask more Questions until you have a good solution.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 4:20:05 PM UTC+10, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, but my skills as they are mean I don't know how 
> to apply this for all the records.
>
> The notepad option works really well as I can just copy the date column 
> from the spreadsheet (containing 3.5 thousand rows) and paste into Notepad 
> ++ and apply the regex to the whole lot and then copy it back into the 
> spreadsheet.
>
> That means I can also have one column for the tiddler title eg. 07/06/20 
> and another to include the system date.
>
> However, I hadn't twigged that I still need the extra  time zeros for the 
> date to be recognised as a system date.
>
> So, just to clarify, does 2020-06-0712000 (i.e. '12' and 7 zeros) 
> qualify as the system date?
>
> In which case I can just add this in the regex.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Tuesday, 9 June 2020 00:56:00 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> You can apply regex in tiddlywiki, so perhaps you can use your notpad++ 
>> method?
>>
>> I will suggest once again (forcefully) if you want a global solution, 
>> then convert dates to the system date format then you can use $view date to 
>> display any format, including the relative date.
>>
>> If your input date is 20/06/07 and its the title of a tiddler, try this 
>> on tiddlywiki.com
>>
>> \define cc-date(date) 20$date$ 
>> \define date-yy-mm-dd(date) <$text text={{{ 
>> [[20$date$]split[/]join[]addsuffix[12000]] 
>> }}}/>
>>
>>
>> :redate <> quick reformat for appearance
>> :<$macrocall $name=cc-date date={{!!title}}/> using title/field or 
>> variable
>> :<> reformat to serial date, also set to 12 
>> noon
>>
>>
>> <$wikify name=journal-date text="""<$macrocall $name=date-yy-mm-dd 
>> date={{!!title}}/>""" output=text>
>> <$button>
>> <$action-setfield $field=journal-date $value=<>/>
>> set journal date
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> journal-date=<$view field=journal-date format=date template="/0MM/0DD"/> 
>> or <$view field=journal-date format=relativedate/>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:50:55 AM UTC+10, Jon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Hubert,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this, which I'll be able to use down the line but at the 
>>> moment, I wouldn't know how to apply this globally.
>>>
>>> However, I've managed to find a solution using a text editor like 
>>> Notepad ++. Instructions below for anyone else looking for this.
>>>
>>> So, to convert 18/09/10 to 2018-09-10
>>>
>>> Select 'Regular expression' in Search Mode
>>>
>>> 'Find what'   ([0-9]{2})/+([0-9]{2})/+([0-9]{2})
>>>
>>> 'Replace with'  20\1-\2-\3
>>>
>>> there's a bit more info. here 
>>> <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4331138/find-and-replace-with-reordered-date-format-in-notepad>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Monday, 8 June 2020 16:22:00 UTC+1, Hubert wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>
>>>> You can use this ugly macro below to "convert" any string like this: 
>>>> "20/06/07" into th

Re: [tw5] graphviz -- can we get nodes to function as links?

[TonyM]

>
> Springer,
>
 

> I'm not sure I follow where your answer is going... Is your suggestion 
> that *graphviz* can be modified so as to show links, or are you simply 
> pointing out that there's no conceptual difficulty in the idea of getting 
> any kind of diagram to supervene on (map neatly onto) tiddler relations? 
>

Yes, *any kind of diagram to supervene on (map neatly onto) tiddler 
relations?* but of course this requires a design component to accompany 
each diagramming tool
 

> I do understand that "the data contains all the information necessary to 
> be represented in different graphical ways" ... So my question is whether 
> the graphviz plugin (or any other currently available tool) can be readily 
> modified to do that work...
>

Yes, I am asking that same question  *graphviz plugin (or any other 
currently available tool) can be readily modified to do that work, * and 
suggesting we try and make the answer yes.
 

>
> (I also don't quite follow why you place special emphasis on "icons" in 
> your reply? 
>

I was perhaps a bit loose with my words here, perhaps iconography, rather 
than icons is better, Whilst simple lines can be used for relationships, we 
can have different graphical representations of relationships and whilst 
these differ according to the graphical system you are using, a basic one 
would be helpful to represent the tiddlers (objects) and relationships in 
raw tiddlywiki. Eg line, directional (one to many many to one), broken or 
loose etc...


> Am I missing something about the spirit of your reply?
>

No you are fairly close, to the spirit of my reply.  

I think my key take home is we need to provide a middle layer, between 
tiddlywiki and the graph or imaging solutions we have. If we have a robust 
set of standards any graphical representation can be given a set of macros 
to interact with the tiddlers to that standard. Most of the standards are 
already implied we just need to document them.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: TW5 subreddit crossed 1000 users

[TonyM]

I jumped in to add another 

Tony

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:00:22 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
> In case you don't know, Tiddlywiki has an growing subreddit at 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ 
> and it just crossed 1000 users and growing. We diligently tag all 
> announcement posts. From sidebar, you can browse through them via clicking 
> on interested topics like plugin announcements, adaptations etc. 
>
> The subreddit also lists featured social media accounts primarily focused 
> on Tiddlywiki. So if you have such an account or know one, do care to 
> mention below and we will add it to the list. There are plans to expand the 
> wiki associated with the subreddit. Other suggestions are welcome too.
> You can see the posts that are popular among the community by switching 
> sort to top posts. Reddit has multiple mobile apps, and you can subscribe 
> via RSS feeds customised to your needs (say, only top 25 posts of the 
> month.)
>
> If you are a redditor, do drop in, subscribe and participate. If you are 
> not a redditor, well, you are missing out. 
>
> Sincerely, 
>
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Re: [tw5] graphviz -- can we get nodes to function as links?

[TonyM]

Springer,

A Few thoughts;

Since a tiddler can be represented by an icon, and wikitext (links) can be 
used in many places, once we have a set of icons to represent 
relationships, a form of graphing and linking could be established, then 
the data contains all the information necessary to be represented in 
different graphical ways. The advantage of this would be keeping the data 
organised in a way that keeps it reusable with all the other solutions 
available on top of tiddly-wiki. For example we can use HTML to a large 
extent but always replace parts with wiki text and links, this should be 
possible with many other graphing features. If you retain the tiddler as 
object and relationships, then all you need is a system to represent the 
objects and relationships in each graphing system, you could call this a 
meta function for a given graphing solution to translate tiddlywiki data to 
each graphing solution.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:29:30 AM UTC+10, springer wrote:
>
> Hello Eduardo / chanilino and all,
>
> I'm chiming in to bump Pit.W's question into view again.
>
> The graphviz plugin is turning out to be pretty fantastic, especially with 
> some stylesheet help. In exchange for a wee bit of layout compromise, 
> graphviz promises on-the-fly editing of diagrams, and would save space on 
> my teaching wiki. (Currently all my teaching-related diagrams are .pngs and 
> .svgs exported from various graphics software tools.)  Although I'm a bit 
> wary of the heavy plugin footprint, I'm leaning toward adopting graphviz... 
>
> The really wonderful thing, as Pit.W suggests, would be a way to get 
> elements of the graphviz diagram to function as links. Is this possible 
> without a total rebuild?
>
> Just for the sake of anyone else with diagramming needs, I'll also comment 
> on some related options:
>
> Currently, it seems the most elegant tool for getting a diagram whose 
> nodes are links is the list tree that twMat made (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/twMat$20tree%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/BKgNBvsCet0/T9LBbpYFAgAJ)
>  
> -- but only a small subset of diagrams fits the structural limitations of 
> the "tree". 
>
> From another direction, I realize an svg diagram can be rigged with TW 
> links, but svg-oriented editors aren't so efficient for flow-charts and 
> such. The svg tools that telmiger has set up are awesome.
>
> Meanwhlie, TiddlyMap may be the perfect tool for some folks, too, since 
> the tiddler-connecting links are its heart and soul. For me, though, the 
> sprawly mind-map look is poorly suited to neat hierarchical diagrams and 
> flowcharts. (Also, when I went to install TiddlyMap to see whether it could 
> do hierarchy and ortho lines well, I got red boxes of javacript death. 
> Troubleshooting the conflict, given my constellation of plugins, is a 
> rabbit hole for another day...)
>
> There's also mermaid, available as a plugin. From what I can tell its 
> overlap with graphviz is significant, a bit lighter footprint and perhaps a 
> bit less of what I like about graphviz But if someone told me that 
> mermaid diagrams could incorporate links more easily, I'd be instantly 
> converted. ;)
>
> -Springer
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 11:52:24 AM UTC-4, Pit.W. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eduardo,
>>
>> great plugin, very intuitive.
>>
>> Is it possible that the names of the nodes are links to tiddlers?
>>
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>>
>> Pit.W
>>
>> Am 2018-07-11 um 17:07 schrieb Eduardo Granados Gomez:
>>
>> Hello I have create a graphviz plugin. You can see here 
>> https://github.com/chanilino/tw5viz. How can I share this plugin with 
>> the comunity?
>>
>> Thanks
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[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

[TonyM]

TT,

I would think many of lewis carols words in Jabberwocky have become real in 
the minds of those who can recite it.
https://interestingliterature.com/2016/01/a-short-analysis-of-jabberwocky-by-lewis-carroll/

The point being something "becomes" when it is seen, used, restated, 
published.

Clearly there are degrees of "becoming".

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 4:07:06 AM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> HansWobbe wrote:
>>
>> This link ( 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/AZjiguV9DUU/NonZSOLuCAAJ )  
>> is a start at an explanation that  letters are the (alphabetic) symbols 
>> used to form words that are a Special index into a Dictionary of meanings.  
>> Generalizing this yields the realization that there are MANY more "nonWord" 
>> strings than there are Words (even in a rich language like Chinese).
>>
>
>  "Zabbadabbadoo" (check spelling, please), as Fred Flintstone said ... 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dptMRtOg__Y
>
> NonWords are not them till they are :-)
>
> HOW does that happen?
>
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Characters > Words > Keys > Names > ... "ToInfinityAndBeyond!": BuzzLightyear

[TonyM]

Springer,

This sounds interesting but the language is a little too academic for me, 
without looking up and reading other sources. Perhaps you could expand a 
little in future for a more general audiences,

Not withstanding that, you triggered me to mention my long term goal of 
building a database system where all objects (say tiddlers) are defined, 
but the tiddlers attributes (fields eg color,description,icon, status), are 
only defined by relationships to other objects. For example colour as an 
attribute, would have a relationship to all or a specif colour object 
rather than a specific colour value. 

Thus every time you create an new attribute, that may contain values, you 
first have to build a set of objects to which you can relate this instance 
of the attribute. It makes for a slow start but you can see how you will 
have back links to every attribute, forced to explicitly define everything 
in use within this data universe.

If you were building a set of colour objects they could be arranged 
according to different colour theories... but then you would need a 
structure of colour theories.

Critical to such a structure is to provide fuzzy values, ie if you do not 
know the colour, or if has not be defined yet, to be able to give it a 
value that will eventually be resolved.

However the ultimate goal would be for the system to be complete one day, 
but the reality is it will possibly only ever approach completeness, if not 
more each time new information is captured.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 5:00:13 AM UTC+10, springer wrote:
>
> Hans,
>
> I'd love to hear more about what you're *doing* with this idea of a 
> dimensional array.
>
> As my prior post hints, there's a great deal of resonance between your 
> big-picture musings and Charles Peirce's logic.
>
> However, Peirce argues that the conceptual structures you end up needing 
> will be triadic, and whenever you're tempted to find 4 or five "dimensions" 
> you're probably looking at triads within triads. ;)
>
> Here's some reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories_(Peirce)
>
> It's important to note that to function as a "character" in the Peircean 
> sense is to manifest a recognizable and repeatable quality that is not 
> *experienced as* compound — in just the way that the letter and numeral 
> forms do for people who are familiar with them. To think of something as a 
> character is thus to abstract away from any aspects of the thing (such as 
> its font) that is irrelevant to this repeatability. (Chinese characters 
> aren't actually "characters" in this sense for those who aren't fluent with 
> them, though; for most of us, we're just like kids who don't see p and b 
> and q and d as anything but vaguely similar shapes. Even Chinese and 
> Japanese people sometimes have to "parse" an unfamiliar character into its 
> component parts in order to go look it up.)
>
> The distinction between "character" and "word" however is an artifact of 
> some languages rather than others; it shouldn't be baked into your logic 
> that characters are *only* building blocks and words are *always* a 
> combination of characters. In Chinese (and hieroglyphics) every character 
> is a word. And some characters even in English can function as words. (I 
> have a speed-typing program such that any single letter (other than a and 
> i) expands into the most easily-associated common word.) Still, treating 
> someting as a character is different from treating it (functionally) as a 
> word.
>
> I would like to hear more about why "key" and "name" would be seen as 
> separate dimensions from each other in your scheme... But here's a Peircean 
> starting point that resonates with your word - name - category sequence:
>
> possibility-by-itself 
> pointer-to-something (what Peirce calls an "index" as in "index finger")
> regularity or field of connection
>
> These correspond, roughly, to zero-dimensional point, one-dimensional 
> line, and two-dimensional plane figure.
>
> I wonder whether what you might want, then is something like...
>
> (a) identifiable building block of meaning considered AS independent of 
> whether it can be considered to have its own semantic content (The 
> character "I" is not excluded, but we bracket its ability to function as a 
> word)
> (b) word-AS-semantically meaningful unit (usually a string of characters 
> in English, but that's a coincidence)
>  but then there's further division between words that name ...
>   qualities ("green") and other relations ("beside") 
>[all qualities are relations, with simple qualities being 
> 1-place relations]
>   actualities ("Hans") and other locatables (via reference-index 
> pointing relations)
>   kinds / types ("human") (categories)
> (c) word-combinations as *affirmed* (or as open to affirmation) 
>
> And then it turns out that there are lots more triads that open up from 
> this one. Among the things we can do with an 

[tw5] Re: ISO date query

[TonyM]

Jon,

You can apply regex in tiddlywiki, so perhaps you can use your notpad++ 
method?

I will suggest once again (forcefully) if you want a global solution, then 
convert dates to the system date format then you can use $view date to 
display any format, including the relative date.

If your input date is 20/06/07 and its the title of a tiddler, try this on 
tiddlywiki.com

\define cc-date(date) 20$date$ 
\define date-yy-mm-dd(date) <$text text={{{ 
[[20$date$]split[/]join[]addsuffix[12000]] 
}}}/>


:redate <> quick reformat for appearance
:<$macrocall $name=cc-date date={{!!title}}/> using title/field or variable
:<> reformat to serial date, also set to 12 noon


<$wikify name=journal-date text="""<$macrocall $name=date-yy-mm-dd 
date={{!!title}}/>""" output=text>
<$button>
<$action-setfield $field=journal-date $value=<>/>
set journal date




journal-date=<$view field=journal-date format=date template="/0MM/0DD"/> 
or <$view field=journal-date format=relativedate/>

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:50:55 AM UTC+10, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Hubert,
>
> Thanks for this, which I'll be able to use down the line but at the 
> moment, I wouldn't know how to apply this globally.
>
> However, I've managed to find a solution using a text editor like Notepad 
> ++. Instructions below for anyone else looking for this.
>
> So, to convert 18/09/10 to 2018-09-10
>
> Select 'Regular expression' in Search Mode
>
> 'Find what'   ([0-9]{2})/+([0-9]{2})/+([0-9]{2})
>
> 'Replace with'  20\1-\2-\3
>
> there's a bit more info. here 
> 
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>
> On Monday, 8 June 2020 16:22:00 UTC+1, Hubert wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> You can use this ugly macro below to "convert" any string like this: 
>> "20/06/07" into this: "2020/06/07", assuming that the earliest year in your 
>> range is the year 2000.
>>
>> Paste this macro definition in a new tiddler:
>>
>> \define UpdateDate(date)
>> <$vars
>>y={{{ [<__date__>split[/]nth[1]add[2000]] }}}
>>m={{{ [<__date__>split[/]nth[2]] }}}
>>d={{{ [<__date__>split[/]nth[3]] }}}>
>> <>/<>/<>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> And then below that, put your input dates in the macro like this:
>>
>> <>
>>
>> When you save the tiddler the output will be rendered to this: 2020/06/07
>>
>> You can wrap this macro in a filter to change all dates in one go and 
>> then simply copy/paste the output.
>>
>> The whole operation would probably be quicker and simpler using a text 
>> editor as these are just strings, not to mention that the above macro can 
>> probably be simplified to a one-liner. Anyway, just something quick.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hubert
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

[TonyM]

TT,

I shared an implementation of noto where you do not use the macro in the 
tiddler, instead it is called from the view template when it finds a noto 
field which contains the tag. Of course you can do this as well and it 
makes the tag name accessible in the noto field.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:14:00 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark
>
> *Question: Is The Tag Name Stored Anywhere Other Than In The Macro Call?*
>
> I.e. any place in addition to <>
>
>
> Reason  I ask is in Inter-working with other tools I'd like to be able to 
> pass the tag name, but to do that I'd need somewhere to get it from. 
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
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[tw5] Re: ISO date query

[TonyM]

Quick answer

Longer one later,
 use split[/] to get each part than resemble them with a concatenation

Regards
Tony

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 4:11:32 PM UTC+10, Jon wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony & Eric.
>
> How do I convert  a date like 20/06/07 into 2020/06/07?
>
> The dates are in a spreadsheet and range over 10 years. I first tried 
> using find & replace eg.replacing '01/' with' 2001/' for 01/02/25 but that 
> replaces the month field in subsequent dates.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:08:01 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> You can import and reformat later. However I recommend converting the 
>> incomming date/title to one using the full serial date and put it in its 
>> own field e.g. published-date. You can then use all the tiddlywiki date 
>> list and format features on the date. You can leave the title as imported. 
>>
>> I/we can share the code if you want it.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

[TonyM]

Hans,

When you say 5 dimensions do you mean in the same key?

That is inspirational, but what do you mean?

I feel we should have a way to register a unique id for any tiddlywiki we 
make, then that can be part of a compound key to get an universal serial 
wiki/tiddler. Would that be 2 dimensional?

Then we could have a third for our self eg wiki/my "brand"/tiddler?

Regards
Tony

 

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:07:42 PM UTC+10, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> Tony:
>
> I also like this method of reducing the number of characters needed, by 
> increasing the base.  I started doing this in the 1970s using APL (A 
> Programing Language) which made it very easy.  Since then, my "alphabet" 
> has grown to its present size of about a thousand characters.
>
> Since you are interested in in unique serial numbers; I generally strive 
> to implement such a thing as a value that consists of combinations and 
> permutations of the letters in my alphabet.  That effectively lets me use a 
> value that is distinctly encoded with up to five of my dimensions at this 
> time.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 6:01:12 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> ...
>>
>> Related to the key (the title) the whole key and nothing but the key. ... 
>>
>  
>

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Re: [tw5] Announcing TiddlyMarker v0.1.0-alpha for Firefox

[TonyM]

Yestin,

perhaps a field that contains the randomly named icon that can be overridden, 
perhaps click to name it domain/path.icon if I harvested the Facebook.com icon 
twice I would be happy to overwrite it rather than have two identical.

It may be a lot of work but I would love the same thing on a right-click on 
links.

Perhaps one day we could add a preview of the link to the tiddler.

Nice work
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark

Thanks for considering this. No need to go out of your way. Once an outline is 
captured by any means and naming standards, we can use, read, transform it in 
many ways. I believe the more fundamental a solution the more adaptable it is. 
Also streams is offering post entry title changes. Eventualy I would like to 
allow your two tools share data but I will do it for myself.

A one liner info that explains how the subtiddler s are organised would help 
people.

You have answered questions I had not yet worked out how to ask with this tool.

Love your work
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Announcing TiddlyMarker v0.1.0-alpha for Firefox

[TonyM]

Yestin,

I have installed this and started playing with it. I think the 
documentation could be extended but it already seems quite powerful.

For others to read,

I went to facebook and clicked create bookmark, and it prompted to save 
Facebook.json, I dragged and dropped it on tiddlywiki.com and it imported 
the two tiddlers, one the icon the other the bookmark tiddler using the 
icon, the link field and a raw-title field. This works on online wikis as 
well.

Notes;

Its fantastic how it brings the icon with it, allowing us to harvest 
appropriate icons from the internet favicon.
One can update various things while doing this bookmark capture title text 
etc...


Questions;
Could we also be allowed to provide a name for the icon?, basing it on the 
domain name at a first step?
Could there be a R-click tiddlymarker option to harvest from a link on the 
page?
Note: I use the oneTab extension and often collapse open tabs into a list 
of links, a r-click would allow me to harvest these.

I am yet to work through its full functionality but it looks great.

Thanks
Tony


On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 6:13:33 AM UTC+10, Yestin Harrison wrote:
>
> I'm happy to report that Mozilla have approved the latest version of 
> TiddlyMarker for display on AMO. It should be much easier to install and 
> try out now at <
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tiddlymarker/>. I can 
> confidently say I'm having a good time using it for my own purposes, and 
> I'm excited to see what others think.
>

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[tw5] ISO date query

[TonyM]

Jon

You can import and reformat later. However I recommend converting the incomming 
date/title to one using the full serial date and put it in its own field e.g. 
published-date. You can then use all the tiddlywiki date list and format 
features on the date. You can leave the title as imported. 

I/we can share the code if you want it.

Regards
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[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

[TonyM]

Hans

Looking at the telegraph code I recall a discussion on hexadecimal conversion 
led me to consider translating numbers, specifically decimal serial numbers to 
one with a large base formed from 0-9 a-z A-Z just to reduce the characters 
needed. If a number is unique in decimal it will be unique in base 62 only 
shorter.

Although in the discussion about fragments we are talking about a field or 
attribute of a tiddler. A serial number adheres to the rule.

Related to the key (the title) the whole key and nothing but the key.

Regards
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Re: [tw5] Re: Change tag name

[TonyM]

Eric,

This is nice an elegant. I tested it on Tiddlywiki.com and realised perhaps 
an option to also rename the tag tiddler as well, eg HelloThere

Thus the tiddlers so tagged rejoin there parent? 

Otherwise my solution of renaming an existing tag tiddler is safer?

Regards
Tony


On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:02:18 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:38:47 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>>
>> For future readers of this thread, there's also Alberto Molina's special 
>> solution, here:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/OCntQ79DuwM
>> which doesn't require creating a tiddler for the tag, and also is much 
>> lighter-weight than the very powerful TW-Commander.
>>
>
> Here's another solution:
> <$select tiddler="$:/temp/changetag/old" default="">
>select an existing tag...
><$list 
> filter="[tags[]sort[]]"><>
> 
> <$edit-text tag="input" tiddler="$:/temp/changetag/new" default="" 
> placeholder="enter a new tag..." />
> <$button> change
><$list filter="[tag{$:/temp/changetag/old}]">
>   <$action-listops $tiddler=<> $field="tags" 
> $subfilter="-[{$:/temp/changetag/old}] [{$:/temp/changetag/new}]" />
>
><$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/changetag/old" />
> 
> <$button> reset
><$action-deletetiddler $filter="[prefix[$:/temp/changetag]]" />
> 
> Change these tiddlers:
> <$list filter="[tag{$:/temp/changetag/old}]"> <$link/> 
>
> Notes:
> * The $select gives you a droplist of all current tags in the document 
> (plus a prompt text at the top of the droplist)
> * The selected tag is stored in $:/temp/changetag/old
> * The $edit-text lets you input a new tag name into $:/temp/changetag/new
> * The change $button loops over all tiddler matching the old tag and uses 
> $action-listops to remove the old tag and add the new tag
> * The change $button also resets the selection in the list of tags (since 
> the selected tag no longer exists in the document)
> * The reset $button clears both temp inputs
> * The $list that appear below the form controls shows you which tiddlers 
> will be re-tagged
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

I see now you may be reliant on the name to maintain structure.

Perhaps this idea is for a different tool.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:38:53 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> New from the old thread.
>
> Do you mean a special saver function, or ?? You can already save a set of 
>> tiddlers by saving everything marked with the document tag plus the 
>> document tag tiddler itself. But I suspect you mean something else.
>
>
> Currently if I type in a bullet point, it is saved tagged with the 
> nominated tag, 
>
> For example some points;
>
> [image: Snag_5209dc80.png]
>
>
> and the tiddlers are named in the following form (Using a tag-pill).
>
> [image: Snag_52094178.png]
>
>
> However in this case I would prefer each tiddler to actually be named with 
> the full text in the first line of point.
> This could make it easier to reorder, yes the list field will be big, but 
> should be ok.
>
> My thought is an option to rename any or all points to have the tiddler 
> name from the first line of each point, while the tag will maintain the 
> connection.
> This would allow it to be done after splitting the content entered.
>
> Even better if it could be set to do this every time, and after splitting.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:14:26 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> For those who want a drag-and-drop solution for their own tiddlers (MAKE 
>> A BACKUP FIRST!), there's a plugin version of the TW file:
>>
>> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey-plugin.html
>>
>> It just has the basic mechanism -- no documentation.
>>
>> I didn't test it. Let me know if anything major is missing.
>>
>> It's likely that plugin versions will lag behind the development version 
>> due to the extra time it takes to pack up the plugin.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Notowritey - Outliner/editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

New from the old thread.

Do you mean a special saver function, or ?? You can already save a set of 
> tiddlers by saving everything marked with the document tag plus the 
> document tag tiddler itself. But I suspect you mean something else.


Currently if I type in a bullet point, it is saved tagged with the 
nominated tag, 

For example some points;

[image: Snag_5209dc80.png]


and the tiddlers are named in the following form (Using a tag-pill).

[image: Snag_52094178.png]


However in this case I would prefer each tiddler to actually be named with 
the full text in the first line of point.
This could make it easier to reorder, yes the list field will be big, but 
should be ok.

My thought is an option to rename any or all points to have the tiddler 
name from the first line of each point, while the tag will maintain the 
connection.
This would allow it to be done after splitting the content entered.

Even better if it could be set to do this every time, and after splitting.

What do you think?

Regards
Tony



On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:14:26 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> For those who want a drag-and-drop solution for their own tiddlers (MAKE A 
> BACKUP FIRST!), there's a plugin version of the TW file:
>
> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey-plugin.html
>
> It just has the basic mechanism -- no documentation.
>
> I didn't test it. Let me know if anything major is missing.
>
> It's likely that plugin versions will lag behind the development version 
> due to the extra time it takes to pack up the plugin.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

I have just used the outliner to build an outline for a personal 
brainstorming event, I have found it to be one of the easiest ways to do 
this,* ever*. As a result of this a few questions arise.


   - Would it be possible for my items to be saved as full tiddler titles, 
   with the parent tag?
  - In a dedicated tiddlywiki, where the outline consists of "points" 
  this is a valuable and "semantic" approach.
  - Sure we avoid overwriting an identical one with N at the end, but 
  typically we would try and minimise these.
  - In part this will allow me to use the tag pill to reorder items
  - Currently this list is only the automated tiddler titles.
   
The fact is using export as tiddler, I could build something to generate 
the tiddlers as I want later, but I will loose the indents.

As I said before I really like the export save as functionality you 
provided, and the self spiting nature is a fantastic feature. Its the 
ability to save the points as tiddlers and capture the indent structure at 
export I would really like to see.

I have happy contribute to design if needed.

Regards
Tony


On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 1:17:07 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Update 6/4/2020:
>
> Original without outliner: 
> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
> With outliner: https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey-outliner.html
>
> In a day or two, I plan to overwrite the plain notowritey with the 
> notowritey-outliner version and continue development on that version.
>
>
> --
>
> I'm working on a simple editor for TW. It combines ideas from the Slicer 
> edition plus the idea of object creation from TiddlyBlink to create a 
> somewhat Dynalist-like experience (except no outlining yet). In Dynalist 
> you seamlessly switch from display mode to edit mode by just clicking on 
> the working text.
>
> Has something like this already been done? Does this look useful? Or just 
> more of the same?
>
> Note: In the following, you should see screenshots. Sometimes GG likes to 
> omit them ...
>
> You start with your editor like this. The existing tiddlers are clickable 
> text:
>
>
> Clicking on a link opens up an editor where you can add more text
>
> :
>
> When you close the editor, paragraphs are split out into their own 
> editable sections:
>
> Behind the scenes, tiddlers are created based on the original (pre-split) 
> tiddler name. Everything is held together by a common tag, which also 
> provides the ordering.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Reading within tiddlywiki

[TonyM]

Sinan,

I rarely share a different approach than tiddlywiki integration, but for me 
I currently annotate pdfs with FoxIT reader, and once done drop it into a 
wiki, I am keen to have a method to export it again, and use foxit and 
return it. Foxits annotations a world class and so I go with the flow. I 
actually made a tiddlywiki who's main use is to generate pdf's from a 
database.

Though my pdfs are not too big.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:22:05 AM UTC+10, Sinan Caliskan wrote:
>
> Dear  Springer
>
> Thank you for your reply, it is very important for me. Hopefully i can 
> manage first part, now i can see pdf path.  But i couldn"t understand 
> second part. I am sorry i am not good at tech.
>
> Should i add new tiddler which is containing a _canonical_uri field ?
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:53:43 AM UTC+3, springer wrote:
>>
>> Sinan, 
>>
>> *Seeing* the path is easy: You can make any tiddler display that field by 
>> adding {{||bibtex-file}} within the tiddler itself, or adding 
>> {{!!bibtex-file}} somewhere in your ViewTemplate.
>>
>> The PDF can be displayed, too...  the trick is just to create a 
>> _canonical_uri field in an associated pdf-display tiddler for each article, 
>> and populate it with whatever's in the relevant bibtex-file field, 
>> spcifying the Type as application/pdf ... one thing to note is that IF 
>> you're using _canonical_uri field then you can't (at least not 
>> straightforwardly) also display text for that tiddler, so you'd want the 
>> pdf-viewing tiddler to separate from your notes, if your notes live in a 
>> text field.
>>
>> Hopefully those things get you started, and those with more wisdom can 
>> follow up...
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:09:46 PM UTC-4, Sinan Caliskan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saq 
>>>
>>> Thank you for your suggestion. Its is really good for epub.I mostly 
>>> study with pdfs from my zotero library. 
>>>
>>> My request is to open a pdf  from my zotero library. You know we can 
>>> import zotero bibliography as a bibtex file to tiddlywiki thanks to bibtex 
>>> importer plugin. But it doesn`t contain any path to locally stored pdf 
>>> files. If we have a pdf link within a reference tiddly, we can easy open 
>>> pdf easily while reading the reference. We can open pdf with any pdf viewer 
>>> or  either if it  is possible open within  tiddlywiki. 
>>>
>>> Do you think it can be possible ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Edit:
>>>
>>> Actually i discovered that imported references have the file path. But 
>>> it is not showing on the the tiddler. Is it possible to show file path on 
>>> the tiddy.
>>>
>>>   https://imgur.com/QRXS5w2( there is a bibtex file path ) but  i cant 
>>> see in tiddly  https://imgur.com/CG6IzNl
>>>
>>> How can i see this path on tiddly and lastly Could i open it with with 
>>> pdf  viewer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:20:34 PM UTC+3, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 There is an ePub Slicer plugin mentioned here:
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/_VLufc4Svp8/jALzYZ09BAAJ

 Not sure how much work it would be to convert an epub, but once done 
 you could presumably use the tools presented in that thread for 
 annotations/notes.

 Cheers,
 Saq

 On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:11:32 PM UTC+2, Sinan Caliskan wrote:
>
> Hi friends 
>
>
> Is there anyway of reading a book which is stored in calibre or from 
> zotero library  and taking notes simultaneously on tiddlywiki?  Or could 
> we  highligt from book and make tiddly? Can we open  book pdf from 
> tiddlywiki.
>


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[tw5] Re: New Tools: Concentrate on Note Taking

[TonyM]

TT,


> TBH, lots of great work gets lost here because of lack of a framework 
> bringing it together into one family.
>
>
I am not sure it gets lost  perhaps just forgotten, a lot can be harvested 
from the forums, the the further back we go it ages.

That is why I think we need a curate and accrue process, which a blog of 
sorts could do. Although a community portal would be even better at least a 
blog can be tiddlywiki itself.


Regards
Tony 

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[TonyM]

Damon,

Not listing all from the beginning is a good idea. As the 3 character 
before search limit helps. If you allow the desired string to be entered 
before listing found items, eg a submit button this can also help.

You could have a search already limited to tiddler, or system tiddler or 
some other item, before you type a string then the list starts. This is an 
advantage of classifying tiddlers with tag or I prefer an object-type 
field, you can limit searches to tasks, or other object-types or to those 
without an object-type from the beginning.

Any search may make use of internal indexes if the filter is written 
correctly see https://tiddlywiki.com/#Performance on the indexes.

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 9:01:31 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Haven't tried a splash screen yet, but am loving the conversation.
>
> One performance note that I forgot to mention: I have a couple of custom 
> searches setup; one the name of the tiddler and one for the prefix of the 
> tiddler name. Both search show a bit of a delay when entering text in them 
> which I attribute mostly to the large number of tiddlers that I'm trying to 
> search through. This delay is not observed or is at least significantly 
> shorter when using the standard search box in the sidebar. As I was typing 
> this, I realized that I haven''t compared the code I'm using to the one the 
> standard search is using. This is something I will do. 
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for improving the performance of custom 
> searches?
>
> Damon
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 6:19:54 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 9:23:34 PM UTC+2, Michael Wiktowy wrote:
>>>
>>> Or if you want to be sneaky and just have the *perception* of fast 
>>> loading, you can use your source code inspector on your tiddlywiki with all 
>>> your tiddlers closed, copy the contents of the 
>>> div.tc-page-container-wrapper element and the inline style sheet to put in 
>>> the style scoped section and replace all the examples in that 
>>> $:/Splashscreen . It looks like tiddlywiki opens instantly while everything 
>>> is loaded in the background ... much like the MS Windows desktop.
>>>
>>
>> Nice trick! ... A second possibility would be to create a Splashscreen, 
>> that is so "interesting / funny", that users do a "shift-reload", ... just 
>> to see it again. 
>>
>> May be some "internal" wiki statistics, like number of tiddlers, number 
>> of tags, ... last modified and so on... This info needs to be created and 
>> saved, with the last save action. So it is available during the next load. 
>>
>> If users are engaged during startup, delay time isn't or is less of a 
>> problem anymore. 
>>
>> have fun!
>> mario
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[TonyM]

Saq,

In a reply here I mention stream(s) as a layer to support images "In the 
future" https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/ipCEDNmrjJk/J8-GqTdMBQAJ

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 1:40:53 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> The problem is one of implementation. Currently there is no clean and 
> flexible way of doing so.
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 5:36:13 PM UTC+2, SizzlinSJ wrote:
>>
>> Double click feels right so there are no accidental edits
>> I do like Reet's suggestion, 
>>
>>> Once we click outside the edit area it should close the edit area. It 
>>> would feel more natural. 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

Thanks so much for that. I realise now its using a feature of wikify I 
forgot, the output parameter.

In a reply here I mention noto as a layer to support images "In the future" 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/ipCEDNmrjJk/J8-GqTdMBQAJ

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:31:59 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Thanks, Tony.
>
> There's nothing too complex about the wikitext combo routine. There's a 
> function:
>
> \define compile-h()
> <$list filter="[tag]">
> <$transclude mode=block/>
> 
> \end
>
>
> which gets called like this:
>
> <$wikify text="""<>""" name="compiled" output="html">
> <$button message="tm-copy-to-clipboard" param=<> >
> Copy HTML to clipboard
> 
> 
>
> You can find the code towards the bottom of tiddler. "NotoWritey Macros"
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 7:56:14 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>>
>> notowritey, is it *notoriously* useful, or what?
>>
>>
> I guess we'll find out ;-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki mention on self hosted podcast

[TonyM]

Dave,

Thanks for sharing. Clearly using the node version for access to individual 
tiddlers as files, this fellow highlights the gap in tiddywiki
Embedding images is a multi-step process;

With recent advances of noto and [bullet] stream, it think the ability to 
drag and drop an image into a tiddler will; be possible such that it;

   - Will create the image tiddler, save internally, pending a later export 
   to as external image and add a canonical field if set this way
   - Name the tiddler $:/images/dropped/filename or as set.
   - Place an transcuction to the image where it was dropped in the tiddler.


This becomes feasible because noto and stream have added an interactive 
layer that we can use to support this, ie no in the simple text editor.

I would also like to see such a process allowing you to choose if its 
background, left, right text justified etc... in the current tiddler.

Thanks For the lead
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 3:00:43 AM UTC+10, Dave Parker wrote:
>
> Self hosted podcast did a follow up here
>
> https://pca.st/episode/609669b1-d87e-4dda-a7af-edf52ba0e8c9?t=1477
>
> where the guy who found TW and liked it does a 3 month later review
>
> (He still likes it)
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: New Tools: Concentrate on Note Taking

[TonyM]

Mohammad,

Thanks for keeping everyone informed.

I do see people often reinventing the wheel, however they usually come out 
quite different each time. 

Each concept has value in its own right.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 5:32:48 AM UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>
> It seems live-note taking has got a lot of attentions!
> By live-note taking I mean to concentrate on note taking!
>
> New brands
>
> - The Notowriety 
> from 
> Mark
> - The Streambullets 
> from 
> Saq
>
> Of course there was some old ones like
>  - http://rquicktid.tiddlyspot.com/ from Mat
>  - http://livenote.tiddlyspot.com/ from Kookma
>
>
> Also there is in progress project from Nicolas Petton
>
> - https://twitter.com/NicolasPetton/status/1266088690104905729?s=20
> - https://twitter.com/NicolasPetton/status/1266092217128624131?s=20
>
>
> Thank you all! Tiddlywiki is just amazing! I always say it is like Lego 
> world!
>
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

[TonyM]

Ste,

Yes, reviewing the link, it all depend on what you call the whole hologram. 
If it is "all the 3d information" then dividing it is fragmenting, and 
loosing 3d data. If you mean a 2d image then there can be many found even 
after fragmenting the hologram. 

This goes well to my earlier points "However to me the beauty of the 
"Fragment" is it is still a fragment all the way up and all the way down", 
but what is it a fragment of is a matter of relativity and perspective?

This is I believe enough to turn fragments into a philosophical subject. 
Part of fractals, chaos and complexity theory amongst others.

Perhaps this is a value of tiddlywiki it has the power to take black and 
white deterministic software and allow it to grow into more than that, 
through emergence into relational, perspective driven, subjective objects, 
there by transcending the deterministic nature of computers. The 
subjectivity enters because of the observer being present and part of the 
system, and multiple observers may see different things, getting closer to 
an art work.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:02:10 AM UTC+10, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> https://science.howstuffworks.com/hologram.htm

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[tw5] Re: TW5 for Sharepoint Online

[TonyM]

Reece,

Happy to help with this. As admin I created a Wiki Library, in SharePoint 
for this purpose, and loaded the tiddlywiki file in as a page, with the 
aspx extension. I may have added the demand for check in and out after to 
this library.


   - The reason I use the wiki library is my research previously showed 
   that libraries used to deliver pages treat the file differently. They gain 
   speed loading, no doubt something Microsoft does to prioritise such pages, 
   but a splash screen indicator is still important.
   - Tiddlywiki will always think it can save but you will get errors 
   unless you have it checked out, so I only save on demand, not automatically.
   - My client uses the wiki in production for business purposes, it's 
   current size is around 5MB
   - I hide draft versions from view, and make changes then publish a 
   version after restoring a number of settings and values, so the viewer gets 
   a consistent view.

Happy to help more if I can from a community point of view, but I am also 
available as a consultant.

Regards
Tony



Of late I have being using internet explorer to open the library in Windows 
explorer to enable the dragging and dropping of new wikis into the library, 
because the wiki library was harder to use, but of course I must return to 
the library and check-in etc...


On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:33:09 AM UTC+10, Reece Shaw wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
> I found an old thread here 
>  regarding 
> using TW5 with sharepoint online. I have tried the same steps by changing 
> my .HTML to .ASPX on a fresh wiki and uploading the file to a document 
> library but the file itself wont load like a page, it just downloads 
> another copy when trying to access the link. Anybody know how I can resolve 
> this? Ideally I'd like to upload the file as a page but that doesn't seem 
> to be possible.
>
> Its possible its an issue of my company's security settings but I had our 
> site admin try as well to no avail.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Reece
>

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[tw5] Re: How to build a "dynamic" list ?

[TonyM]

Tony, You did Well, Tony.


   1. It sounds to me like the pattern will remain the same for all items 
   in your final list but you want to access the tiddler name as well in the 
   result.
   2. If you use "get" the value ends up being the title coming out of the 
   list.
   3. SAq's suggestion is applying the reqexp to the titles,  that is not 
   what you want is it, your pattern is running against the text field.
   4. Can you explain why, you are *looking to do is having one list in a 
   variable with all the results of the second filter* the reason I ask is 
   perhaps there is a way to solve the bigger problem.


I hope I have not appeared to harsh in the past. It takes time to  promote 
better use of the forums,
the clearer a post is the more we can share; without consuming too much of 
our own time.

By the way I appreciate your contributions too.

Thanks
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 7:34:59 PM UTC+10, Tony K wrote:
>
> no specific reason at all, i just don't know better
>
> will give it a try thanks a bunch 
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 12:33:25 PM UTC+3, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Is there a specific reason why you need nested lists? Do you want the 
>> tiddler titles or the text that matches the regexp?
>>
>> [tag[DailyNotes]regexp[$pattern$\b(?i)]
>>
>> or
>>
>> [tag[DailyNotes]regexp:text[$pattern$\b(?)i]
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question about tiddler title

[TonyM]

Eric,

Thanks for that. I also made the mistake of using keywords that were 
already in the title.

Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 1:13:13 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 7:41:02 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> I have tried to encourage myself to review tiddlers and record keywords 
>> relating to the subject in a keywords field.
>> I modified your keywords variable as follows
>> keywords={{{ [] [{!!keywords}] +[addsuffix[+]] +[
>> addsuffix{$:/temp/google}] +[split[ ]join[+]] }}}
>> To include those keywords as well.
>>
>
> Your modified keywords adds the $:/temp/google input contents twice!
>
> For example, if the keywords field contains "foo bar" and the 
> $:/temp/google input field contents is "test this", then the result of the 
> inline filter is:
> New+Tiddler+test+this+foo+bar+test+this
>
> This is because
> +[addsuffix{$:/temp/google}]
> is applied to both the "[]" and "[{!!keywords}]" filter 
> runs
>
> The correct keywords filter syntax should actually be this:
> keywords={{{ [] [{!!keywords}] [{$:/temp/google}] +[split[ 
> ]join[+]] }}}
>
> which lists all three sources of search terms (current tiddler, keywords 
> field, and input field), splits them at any embedded spaces, and then joins 
> the whole list with "+" signs to produce this result:
> New+Tiddler+foo+bar+test+this
>
> The new code is thus:
> <$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/google" tag="input" placeholder="enter search 
> text" default="" />
> <$vars keywords={{{ [] [{!!keywords}] [{$:/temp/google}] 
> +[split[ ]join[+]] }}}>
> <$vars  URL={{{ [[https://www.google.com/search?q=]] +[addsuffix
> ] }}}>
> <$button message="tm-open-external-window" param=<>> 
> {{$:/core/images/advanced-search-button}} 
> 
> 
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

I also adore you buttons below the noto writey to copy the combined 
wikitext of html, I would like to generalise the copy html buttons as a 
snapshot tool for regular tiddlers as well, could you please point me to 
the code and give me permissions to steal it?

notowritey, is it *notoriously* useful, or what?

Regards
tony

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark

I am playing with the outliner, Love it. I will provide more feedback as I 
go but wanted to say its looking great.

One Question. It is possible to make the subTiddler title generation a 
filter we can customise?

   - I would like to put the subtiddlers behind the system tiddlers name 
   space $:/
   - Or when I have my tiddler serial number tool use that?

Thanks sooo much
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 11:23:02 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 5:35:24 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Could you update the lead post with the links to you working editions if 
>> possible, please.
>>
>>
> Update 6/4/2020 (including in OP):
>
> Original without outliner: 
> https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey.html
> With outliner: https://marxsal.github.io/various/notowritey-outliner.html
>
> In a day or two, I plan to overwrite the plain notowritey with the 
> notowritey-outliner version and continue development on that version.
>
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question about tiddler title

[TonyM]

Eric,

Nice.

I have tried to encourage myself to review tiddlers and record keywords 
relating to the subject in a keywords field.

I modified your keywords variable as follows
keywords={{{ [] [{!!keywords}] +[addsuffix[+]] +[addsuffix{$
:/temp/google}] +[split[ ]join[+]] }}}

To include those keywords as well.

Its a great way to then reach out to the internet to research what the 
title and keywords describe

Also the edit field provided can be used to restrict the search as well eg
-google-adds

Great stuff

Thanks
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 11:18:57 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Once again inspired by you work, I recall that on 
>> https://www.w3schools.com/ a search is "enhanced by Google" and the 
>> results appear in a drop down.
>> I wonder if we could develop this for tiddlywiki?
>>
>
> Here's yet another version.  This one skips the Google search input page, 
> and goes directly to the search results.
> <$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/google" tag="input" placeholder="enter search 
> text" default="" />
> <$vars keywords={{{ [] +[addsuffix[+]] 
> +[addsuffix{$:/temp/google}] +[split[ ]join[+]] }}}>
> <$vars  URL={{{ [[https://www.google.com/search?q=]] 
> +[addsuffix] }}}>
> <$button message="tm-open-external-window" param=<>> 
> {{$:/core/images/advanced-search-button}} 
> 
> 
>
> Note that this version uses $vars widgets to construct the desired search 
> keywords and the URL before opening the external window.
>
> This was not, strictly speaking, *necessary*, but was done to make the 
> code more readable.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

[TonyM]

Ste,

Too true re fractals, But I think the fraction of a hologram is loosing 
some information, like its appearance from different direction?

Tony.

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:44:58 AM UTC+10, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> A fragment of a fractal would be an iteration of the whole. 

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[tw5] Re: Creating a Table of Contents using Tag Pills instead of individual tiddlers with the tag filter.

[TonyM]

Sorry I edited my last post to use

<$macrocall $name=tag tag=<>/>

And in the below of this email

Regards
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 12:21:05 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Pieter-Michiel,
>
> Have a look at what I did in my prepared codemirror edition  
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/kpc2aiTzhCc/VaqglRimAQAJ>it 
> places a tag pill on every tiddler that is acting as a tag, so you can see 
> its children.
>
> If you want a custom toc layout it may be better to build your own 
> recursive macros as discussed in a number of topics.
>
> Here is an example of my own;
>
> \define each-other-level(filter)
> <$link to=<> ><$text 
> text=<>/>
> 
> <$list filter="$filter$">
><>
> 
> 
> \end
> \define first-level(filter)
> 
> <$list filter="$filter$">
><>
> 
> 
> \end
>
> Start in TableOfContents
> <$tiddler tiddler="TableOfContents">
>
> <>
>
> 
>
> Note: It may not be protected from infinite loops.
>
>
> Now where the items are listed in the ` tags` change the line to
>
> <$macrocall $name=tag tag=<>/>
> and I think you have what you are after.
>
>
> You may want to hide the pill for those items with no tags.
>
>
> However in my prepared codemirror edition 
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/kpc2aiTzhCc/VaqglRimAQAJ> the tag 
> pills are useful,  I plan to add a new here feature as well.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 12:03:29 AM UTC+10, Pieter-Michiel Geuze wrote:
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> I am very happy working with TW and I have been finding many different 
>> ways to use Table of Contents (ToC).
>>
>> What I am looking to do is to create a ToC not of individual Tiddlers but 
>> of Tags, preferabbly Tag Pills.
>>
>> I believe that this will allow me to see all the tag categories within a 
>> tag, click the tag and then see all of the tiddlers from that tag.
>>
>> If there is another way to do this, please let me know.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Creating a Table of Contents using Tag Pills instead of individual tiddlers with the tag filter.

[TonyM]

Pieter-Michiel,

Have a look at what I did in my prepared codemirror edition  
it 
places a tag pill on every tiddler that is acting as a tag, so you can see 
its children.

If you want a custom toc layout it may be better to build your own 
recursive macros as discussed in a number of topics.

Here is an example of my own;

\define each-other-level(filter)
<$link to=<> ><$text text=<>/>

<$list filter="$filter$">
   <>


\end
\define first-level(filter)

<$list filter="$filter$">
   <>


\end

Start in TableOfContents
<$tiddler tiddler="TableOfContents">

<>



Note: It may not be protected from infinite loops.


Now where the items are listed in the ` tags` change the line to

<$link to=<> ><$text text=<>/>
and I think you have what you are after.


You may want to hide the pill for those items with no tags.


However in my prepared codemirror edition 
 the tag 
pills are useful,  I plan to add a new here feature as well.


Regards

Tony




On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 12:03:29 AM UTC+10, Pieter-Michiel Geuze wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I am very happy working with TW and I have been finding many different 
> ways to use Table of Contents (ToC).
>
> What I am looking to do is to create a ToC not of individual Tiddlers but 
> of Tags, preferabbly Tag Pills.
>
> I believe that this will allow me to see all the tag categories within a 
> tag, click the tag and then see all of the tiddlers from that tag.
>
> If there is another way to do this, please let me know.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Setting the domain for relative addresses

[TonyM]

The following answers my own Question

See https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_head.asp

The HTML  Element

The  element specifies the base URL and base target for all relative 
URLs in a page:
Example
https://www.w3schools.com/images/; target="_blank">
Example,


   - Export a tiddler as static html from tiddlywiki.com eg filter operators
   - Edit the html file, eg with notepad++ 
   - Add after the `` tag

https://tiddlywiki.com; target="tiddlywiki.com">
save

Now open the saved static html in your browser. You have a quick load 
single tiddler, local html, with all the filter operators listed
However if you click on any link it will open the tiddler on tiddlywiki.com 
in the tab/window named target="tiddlywiki.com",

Every time you click a link it will open in the same tab. keeping your 
browser tabs from proliferating.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:04:35 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> If you export a html and it contains relative addresses if opened from 
> another location they are all wrong.
>
> There is a way to set the html or document root, in the html file, so all 
> links become relative to that, ie below that address.
>
> However for the life of me I cant google it with the correct terminology.
>
> Can anyone help? Please
>
> Why?
>
>- I realised with the internals plugin you get a raw html preview, 
>this can be used to generate a snapshot of the generated html, ie a 
>snapshot of the rendered tiddler, 
>- you can export this to a static html, all I need to do it to add 
>back the domain path from which all links will be relative
>- By leveraging the same mechanisms of the internals plugin I hope to 
>develop in wiki snapshots, and exportable html that links back to the 
>source wiki.
>
> Thanks in advance
>  
>
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

Could you update the lead post with the links to you working editions if 
possible, please.

thanks
tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 10:28:53 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Added a bookmark feature. There's also a "roadmap" tiddler which lists 
> some of the features I hope to implement. 
>
> This is still on the notowritey-outliner.html page. But probably in the 
> next day or two I'll move it all back to notowritey.html. 
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic question about tiddler title

[TonyM]

Eric,

Once again inspired by you work, I recall that on https://www.w3schools.com/ a 
search is "enhanced by Google" and the results appear in a drop down.

I wonder if we could develop this for tiddlywiki?


Regards
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 10:00:56 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 1:17:55 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> This might help get you in the right direction:
>> \define google(term)
>> https://www.google.com?q=$(currentTiddler)$+$term$]split[ 
>> ]join[+]] }}} target="_blank">$term$
>> \end 
>>
>  
> Here's another version that doesn't need to define a macro and also 
> provides an input field for the search term:
> <$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/google" tag="input" placeholder="enter search 
> text" default="" />
> <$button message="tm-open-external-window" param={{{ [[
> https://www.google.com?q=]] +[addsuffix] +[addsuffix[+]] 
> +[addsuffix{$:/temp/google}] +[split[ ]join[+]] }}}>
>search
> 
>
> 1) Define a tiddler (e.g., "Google") containing the above code
> 2) Create any other tiddler containing the following:
> {{||Google}}
>
> How it works:
> * As with the previous macro version, the desired URL is constructed using 
> the currentTiddler value
> * Instead of using a macro parameter to insert the search term, and 
> $edit-text widget is used to save the term input into a temporary tiddler, 
> $:/temp/google
> * The contents of $:/temp/google are appended to the constructed URL
> * A $button widget is used to open a new 'external' browser window with 
> the fully constructed URL
>
> To use it:
> * Instead of invoking a macro (i.e., <>), transclusion is used 
> (i.e., {{||Google}} to display the input field and button
> * Note the use of || in the transclusion.  This allows the *context* of 
> the containing tiddler to be applied, which means that the value of 
> currentTiddler is the title of the tiddler in which the transclusion 
> occurs, rather than the title of the tiddler in which the input field and 
> button are defined.
>
> Again, let me know how it goes...
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Keyboard-only Tiddlywiki

[TonyM]

N,

I have taken notes myself in class, and was more concerned it get saved, if 
I am typing lots of text into a tiddler, there are a number of approaches; 

   1. Get additional buttons in edit mode so you can save without closing 
   the current tiddler and keep typing {Edit Buttons here 
   https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html Thomas Elmiger)
   2. Use a tool to count the characters entered and save automatically 
   every n characters (Edit counter here https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html  
   Thomas Elmiger)
   3. Develop a method for inline editing of a tiddler, that saves every 
   key stroke, depends on impact on autosave (This can be involved you will 
   need to research it)


All of these methods are already available as a result of previous 
community contributions, 
autosaving the wiki also helps,

Note: When working in class the two new solutions notowrity and 
bulletstream/stream which also offer inline editing may work for you.

I also found making custom classes as shorthand useful for example
:.q My question

Applied a class called q (for Question) so when viewing my notes the 
questions stood out in orange, to ask the trainer.


Regards
Tony

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 5:31:32 AM UTC+10, n berggie wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what the best way of asking this is but does anybody know 
> which method of creating/editing Tiddlers is the most efficient for 
> keyboard-only use?
>
> As a student, lectures go by very fast and are not always available online 
> (to everybody). Between, writing equations in LaTeX, using all of the many 
> different features to structure notes best, and many more things, it can be 
> hard to keep up. I set up TiddlyDesktop on my computer but fear that it 
> requires too much mouse movement. 
>
> I can use a coding IDE to edit each (less-than efficiently & far from 
> traditionally) in this style but I was hoping if anyone knew of the best 
> keyboard-only way of creating & editing tiddlers; One strong in keyboard 
> commands and Tiddler navigation.
>
> Please link me if there is already a particular discussion on this matter. 
> ((sorry)) Thanks!
> (Currently I use Linux, but I hope that doesn't discourage responses)
> Nick
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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[TonyM]

Michael,

Love it, I imagine variations on this are possible as well. Such as a 
welcome message and more.

This is almost the work flow I was asking Eric for. I am sure we can 
automate this further.

I was considering saving a static image of the tiddltwiki after load, with 
all links to the full wiki but I have not found the terminology for the 
default "domain" in HTML see here 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/tiddlywikidev/HSoRTBnSsEE>, 
there are still good reasons to do this but your answer points to the 
solution.

Also I read Creating a splash screen 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen> again and this can 
be broken down and a work flow developed. Identifying what css is needed 
for a given splash screen harvested from and existing tiddler, is all that 
remains.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 5:23:34 AM UTC+10, Michael Wiktowy wrote:
>
> Or if you want to be sneaky and just have the *perception* of fast 
> loading, you can use your source code inspector on your tiddlywiki with all 
> your tiddlers closed, copy the contents of the 
> div.tc-page-container-wrapper element and the inline style sheet to put in 
> the style scoped section and replace all the examples in that 
> $:/Splashscreen . It looks like tiddlywiki opens instantly while everything 
> is loaded in the background ... much like the MS Windows desktop.
>
> I just tried it on http://mwiktowy.tiddlyspot.com/ and it looks pretty 
> convincing. It scales properly with the browser window unlike a screenshot. 
> You can even leave open an intro tiddler to copy over or make a fake 
> "spinner" tiddler.
>
> /Mike
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:04:16 AM UTC-3, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Yes, but follow the link to https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FSplashScreen 
>> and you see a template to generate one from any tiddler could be made.
>>
>> Much sweeter.
>>
>> tony
>>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:38:44 PM UTC+10, Scott Kingery wrote:
>>>
>>> There are instructions on tiddlywiki.com for how to build a splash 
>>> screen. https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen
>>>
>>> Or you could be lazy like me and just drag $:/SplashScreen from there 
>>> into your own wiki.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:19:01 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Eric,
>>>>
>>>> What is the best work flow for people to use to design a splash screen?
>>>>
>>>> The power of tiddlywiki should allow us to generate the html/css we 
>>>> place in the tiddler.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 11:51:02 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 6:24:39 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will say that even as large as my wiki is, it loads fairly quickly. 
>>>>>> I currently have a single tiddler open on startup. It’s a very small 
>>>>>> amount 
>>>>>> text along with a couple of external images. Sort of a “title page” of 
>>>>>> sorts. 
>>>>>> I’m going to investigate the splash screen to see if that’s even 
>>>>>> faster. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen
>>>>>
>>>>> As described above a TW splash screen "is displayed while the wiki 
>>>>> loads."
>>>>>
>>>>> also note this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "is embedded as static HTML/CSS within the TiddlyWiki HTML file. This 
>>>>> is done with the SystemTag: $:/tags/RawMarkupWikified/TopBody."
>>>>>
>>>>> By definition, a TW splash screen will be displayed before the TWCore 
>>>>> and tiddlers are initialized.  Thus, this will *always* be the fastest 
>>>>> way 
>>>>> to display some initial content.
>>>>>
>>>>> -e
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[TonyM]

Notes on playing with stream

! I Love it, here are some experiences.


   - The east of changing the regexp of what to split on suits me, simply 
   changing to /n in some cases, even ".\n\n" 
   - What if I wanted to split on html tag, eg https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/25f0e466-0440-4cc6-aedf-f4b25ad1530c%40googlegroups.com.

[tw5] Re: Change tag name

[TonyM]

Gideon,

Using the tag pill on a tiddler,

Or <> click the first line the tags name, this goes 
to the tags tiddler (if it was one) or allow you to edit it so it becomes a 
tiddler as well as a tag.

Save it

Rename the tags actual tiddler and it will update wherever the tag is used. 
*Check ** Update test to Testit in the tags and list fields of other 
tiddlers* to be sure.

Regards
Tony


On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, Gideon Dresdner wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a seemingly basic question. How can I change the name of a tag?
>
> Suppose I have a tag called "My Special Tag" and I want to change it to 
> "The Best Tag in the Universe." How can I change it so that all the wikis 
> that are tagged with the first tag ("My Special Tag") become tagged with 
> the second tag. The first tag should also be removed.
>
> Many thanks from a tiddlywiki newbie,
> Gideon.
>

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[tw5] Re: DragDropTouch.js

[TonyM]

Thanks "Mate"

Tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 3:15:28 PM UTC+10, Andrew wrote:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Mobile%20Drag%20And%20Drop%20Shim%20Plugin
>
> It's in the official plugin library Open:  ControlPanel > Plugins > Get 
> more plugins > Open plugin library
>

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[TonyM]

Scott,

Yes, but follow the link to https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FSplashScreen 
and you see a template to generate one from any tiddler could be made.

Much sweeter.

tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:38:44 PM UTC+10, Scott Kingery wrote:
>
> There are instructions on tiddlywiki.com for how to build a splash 
> screen. https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen
>
> Or you could be lazy like me and just drag $:/SplashScreen from there into 
> your own wiki.
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:19:01 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>>
>> What is the best work flow for people to use to design a splash screen?
>>
>> The power of tiddlywiki should allow us to generate the html/css we place 
>> in the tiddler.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 11:51:02 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 6:24:39 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will say that even as large as my wiki is, it loads fairly quickly. I 
>>>> currently have a single tiddler open on startup. It’s a very small amount 
>>>> text along with a couple of external images. Sort of a “title page” of 
>>>> sorts. 
>>>> I’m going to investigate the splash screen to see if that’s even 
>>>> faster. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen
>>>
>>> As described above a TW splash screen "is displayed while the wiki 
>>> loads."
>>>
>>> also note this:
>>>
>>> "is embedded as static HTML/CSS within the TiddlyWiki HTML file. This is 
>>> done with the SystemTag: $:/tags/RawMarkupWikified/TopBody."
>>>
>>> By definition, a TW splash screen will be displayed before the TWCore 
>>> and tiddlers are initialized.  Thus, this will *always* be the fastest way 
>>> to display some initial content.
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: DragDropTouch.js

[TonyM]

Cool,

Why not share the link here for completeness? Since it is now in your 
hands, subsequent visitors will find your answer!

Tony

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>
> I found it. I found it. I am so excited. Mobile Drag Drop is an official 
> plugin.

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyMarker v0.1.0-alpha for Firefox

[TonyM]

Or I just realised a plugin for Firefox.

Without more instructions.

Thanks for your contribution
Tony


On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:29:54 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Yestin,
>
> As a superuser, not well versed with git hub, and I am sure there are 
> others, I cant review until its a tiddler, json, plugin or demo wiki.
>
> Do share one of these if you want more feedback.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 4:40:39 PM UTC+10, Yestin Harrison wrote:
>>
>> I've been working on a browser extension to suit a particular manner of 
>> bookmarking with TiddlyWiki, unimaginatively titled TiddlyMarker. The basic 
>> idea is a simple button that produces a bookmark tiddler from the current 
>> tab, with various ways of getting that tiddler into a wiki, and flexibility 
>> as to its structure. Currently, the two modes of saving work via the TW 
>> webserver API, and simple browser downloads, respectively.
>>
>> Anyone who wants to give it a try can clone the repository at 
>> https://git.ylh.io/tiddlymarker and follow the README to get up and 
>> running.
>>
>> Of interest to developers: the code is a bit of a mess (JS isn't really 
>> my forte), and it's missing the planned saving mode for adding to an 
>> already open TiddlyWiki tab; getting the extension to play nice with $tw in 
>> the page context is proving to be a bit of a faff, especially in a way that 
>> can easily be ported to Chrome (that's planned too). Commented sections 
>> show the beginnings of such a mode, and patches are welcome; email them to 
>> yes...@ylh.io.
>>
>> It's in a reasonable working state, and I'm now soliciting feedback 
>> before I port it to Chrome and package it for Mozilla and Google.
>> Enjoy!
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyMarker v0.1.0-alpha for Firefox

[TonyM]

Yestin,

As a superuser, not well versed with git hub, and I am sure there are 
others, I cant review until its a tiddler, json, plugin or demo wiki.

Do share one of these if you want more feedback.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 4:40:39 PM UTC+10, Yestin Harrison wrote:
>
> I've been working on a browser extension to suit a particular manner of 
> bookmarking with TiddlyWiki, unimaginatively titled TiddlyMarker. The basic 
> idea is a simple button that produces a bookmark tiddler from the current 
> tab, with various ways of getting that tiddler into a wiki, and flexibility 
> as to its structure. Currently, the two modes of saving work via the TW 
> webserver API, and simple browser downloads, respectively.
>
> Anyone who wants to give it a try can clone the repository at 
> https://git.ylh.io/tiddlymarker and follow the README to get up and 
> running.
>
> Of interest to developers: the code is a bit of a mess (JS isn't really my 
> forte), and it's missing the planned saving mode for adding to an already 
> open TiddlyWiki tab; getting the extension to play nice with $tw in the 
> page context is proving to be a bit of a faff, especially in a way that can 
> easily be ported to Chrome (that's planned too). Commented sections show 
> the beginnings of such a mode, and patches are welcome; email them to 
> yes...@ylh.io .
>
> It's in a reasonable working state, and I'm now soliciting feedback before 
> I port it to Chrome and package it for Mozilla and Google.
> Enjoy!
>
>

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[tw5] Re: DragDropTouch.js

[TonyM]

Andrew,

It sounds familiar, so search for prior work.

Otherwise you may find this qustion best in the dev 
group https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/tiddlywikidev

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 1:42:01 PM UTC+10, Andrew wrote:
>
> Hello everyone I found a javascript POLYFILL for mobile so that I can 
> enable drag drop touch on my mobile browser. Any suggestions how to 
> implemented in Tiddlywiki?

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

In the second case the field trigger, Your button in the view toolbar 
(possibly edit), would create the noto field and disappear. you could have 
a small view template option that becomes visible if the it sees the noto 
field with no value and prompt for a value (enter in temp tiddler) and a 
set button, again this will not appear anymore once the noto field has a 
value. The advantage is the new tag value could default to the current 
tiddler title as well.

So Click to activate noto
click to use current tiddler as tag (or modify)

Regards
To

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:10:37 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> In the 2nd case, would there be a dialogue for the user to enter the tag? 
> Where would the button go?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:14:34 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mark 
>>
>> I hope this may advance noto a little more, please have a look at the 
>> attached, drop it on https://tidbits.wiki/noto/notowritey%20(15).html#
>>
>>
>>- I have attached a quick json with two view template tiddlers, where 
>>one simple tags a tiddler noto rather than enter the `<>` 
>> Personally 
>>I like to keep the text field free to describe the outline itself.
>>- The other uses a field to trigger the display of noto and uses the 
>>value as the tag.
>>- In both cases we can make a button that either adds the tag, or 
>>creates the field with a click, turning ones average tiddler into a 
>> miracle 
>>of modern tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>> *Would you like me to make that button?.*
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Setting the domain for relative addresses

[TonyM]

Bump

He says desperately to continue building a snapshot utility.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:04:35 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> If you export a html and it contains relative addresses if opened from 
> another location they are all wrong.
>
> There is a way to set the html or document root, in the html file, so all 
> links become relative to that, ie below that address.
>
> However for the life of me I cant google it with the correct terminology.
>
> Can anyone help? Please
>
> Why?
>
>- I realised with the internals plugin you get a raw html preview, 
>this can be used to generate a snapshot of the generated html, ie a 
>snapshot of the rendered tiddler, 
>- you can export this to a static html, all I need to do it to add 
>back the domain path from which all links will be relative
>- By leveraging the same mechanisms of the internals plugin I hope to 
>develop in wiki snapshots, and exportable html that links back to the 
>source wiki.
>
> Thanks in advance
>  
>
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[TonyM]

Eric,

What is the best work flow for people to use to design a splash screen?

The power of tiddlywiki should allow us to generate the html/css we place 
in the tiddler.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 11:51:02 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 6:24:39 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> I will say that even as large as my wiki is, it loads fairly quickly. I 
>> currently have a single tiddler open on startup. It’s a very small amount 
>> text along with a couple of external images. Sort of a “title page” of 
>> sorts. 
>> I’m going to investigate the splash screen to see if that’s even faster. 
>
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen
>
> As described above a TW splash screen "is displayed while the wiki loads."
>
> also note this:
>
> "is embedded as static HTML/CSS within the TiddlyWiki HTML file. This is 
> done with the SystemTag: $:/tags/RawMarkupWikified/TopBody."
>
> By definition, a TW splash screen will be displayed before the TWCore and 
> tiddlers are initialized.  Thus, this will *always* be the fastest way to 
> display some initial content.
>
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark 

I hope this may advance noto a little more, please have a look at the 
attached, drop it on https://tidbits.wiki/noto/notowritey%20(15).html#


   - I have attached a quick json with two view template tiddlers, where 
   one simple tags a tiddler noto rather than enter the `<>` Personally 
   I like to keep the text field free to describe the outline itself.
   - The other uses a field to trigger the display of noto and uses the 
   value as the tag.
   - In both cases we can make a button that either adds the tag, or 
   creates the field with a click, turning ones average tiddler into a miracle 
   of modern tiddlywiki.
   

*Would you like me to make that button?.*

Regards
Tony




On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 1:17:07 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I'm working on a simple editor for TW. It combines ideas from the Slicer 
> edition plus the idea of object creation from TiddlyBlink to create a 
> somewhat Dynalist-like experience (except no outlining yet). In Dynalist 
> you seamlessly switch from display mode to edit mode by just clicking on 
> the working text.
>
> Has something like this already been done? Does this look useful? Or just 
> more of the same?
>
> Note: In the following, you should see screenshots. Sometimes GG likes to 
> omit them ...
>
> You start with your editor like this. The existing tiddlers are clickable 
> text:
>
>
> Clicking on a link opens up an editor where you can add more text
>
> :
>
> When you close the editor, paragraphs are split out into their own 
> editable sections:
>
> Behind the scenes, tiddlers are created based on the original (pre-split) 
> tiddler name. Everything is held together by a common tag, which also 
> provides the ordering.
>
>
>

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Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[TonyM]

Damon,

The splash screen is not faster, it just warns people not to abandon the 
page if the see nothing while it loads. They say it only takes a few 
seconds and many will abandon following a link.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 11:24:39 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony. 
>
> I will say that even as large as my wiki is, it loads fairly quickly. I 
> currently have a single tiddler open on startup. It’s a very small amount 
> text along with a couple of external images. Sort of a “title page” of 
> sorts. 
>
> I’m going to investigate the splash screen to see if that’s even faster. 
>
> Damon 

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[tw5] Re: Codemirror Theme and Autocomplete query

[TonyM]

Reet,

Remember there is also the editor toolbar button, the link icon, which 
allows you to search for titles, and insert them as a link. Autocomplete is 
about completing what you type, its when tiddlywiki knows what you want. 

It should not be too hard to make a link editor toolbar for system tiddlers 
as well, or with filters so you can refine the search, perhaps even to 
tiddlers with specific content.

Regards
Tony


On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:56:58 AM UTC+10, Reet Pandher wrote:
>
> Regarding theme:
>
> I am unable to change the theme of the codemirror editor box in TW. I 
> followed the instructions given in *$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/usage 
> *but no luck! It sticks to it's default theme.
> Themes i tried: blackboard-black 
> 
>  
> and blackboard.css 
> 
>
> Regarding Autocomplete:
> I used Saq's solution 
>  
> for autocomplete and it works great but there is one small issue with it: 
> It requires you know the exact initial letter of the tiddler title or else 
> it won't show the correct tiddler! Is there any other modification 
> available that'll make work more like *edit-comptext* plugin. I would use 
> edit-comptext but sadly these two don't work together!
>
> Any help will be appreciated
>

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

[TonyM]

Saq,

Looking fantastic, I am excited for its release, I see you have some 
wonderful configuration options like 
   
   - Customising bullet titles

Is it possible, or practical to be able to make the subTiddlers have the 
title of the first (and often only line in a bullet point)?

   - Often when someone is entering information into such a structure by 
   the very nature they are unique.
   - TiddlyWiki is very good at full text tiddler titles, sentences even.
   - The result is a search of title finds the actual content you may want 
   to include
   - This makes text snipits easy to use

I am not sure how to make use of the drag and drop, what is it I click on 
while holding ctrl or shift?

By the way, Stream works for me, capturing our "Stream of consciousness" or 
thought.

Thanks heaps for this development.
Tony

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 7:44:31 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Edited (30/05/2020)
> This is a prototype. Do not use it for anything important.
> Major changes are likely that will make it very difficult to migrate your 
> content to newer versions.
> No support is available for content migration.
>
> Demo:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/bullets.html
>
> *Code:*
> https://github.com/saqimtiaz/bullets
>
> ---
>
> When I'm under the weather I tend to prototype. Spent some time reworking 
> code from my eternally in progress task manager in an attempt to make it 
> more general purpose, as a bullet list note taking tool that may be of 
> utility to others. 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SB06s13tj8P3cC2UewnfzXf08UQ7jwYK/view?usp=drivesdk
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLESm6OIfHsScwYePGOs5ce3o3wpQ0CO/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> - everything except the dragging is keyboard driven
> - each bullet is a separate tiddler. Lots of different pros and cons to 
> this approach, but was ideal for a task manager.
> - this is all in wikitext, no extra JS.
>
>  Will post the file in the near future, a bit more clean up needed. Don't 
> expect a final product, but rather a pattern to follow that would hopefully 
> help anyone wanting to implement similar workflow. 
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: What is a fragment?

[TonyM]

Hans/TT

I like the way you think. However to me the beauty of the "Fragment" is it 
is still a fragment all the way up and all the way down. In the past I have 
stripped a byte into 8 bits and used each bit as a flag. And whilst I do 
not know how to fragment bits I can emulate it by having each bit 
represented by a byte. Or in future we may be using Quantum bits.

And there are quarks as fragments of subatomic particles as well being 
subatomic particles.

When we join two fragments, we end up with one fragment, that is the point. 
The whole universe may only be a fragment of something else, we may never 
know.

Initially in this thread I suggested a tiddler was a fragment, it could be 
by convention, though lets call it only a tiddler, but the concept of 
fragments being a piece of something else is more conceptual and perhaps 
more useful. 

I have said before that the beauty of tiddlywiki is the tiddler, a record 
in database terms, composed of fields, with a unique title is at eye level, 
and the tools are all focused around tiddlers. Sure you can fragment the 
fields further, but the unique tiddler is always addressable.

*So given quarks as a guide, where sub Atomic is a line above or below an 
atom, where everything else is,  perhaps we have Tiddler fragments, 
tiddlers, and meta-tiddlers would be the best way to classify fragments.* 

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 6:41:11 AM UTC+10, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> I think the ultimate answer to *"When does a part stop being a fragment?" 
> *may  be "when the fragment is Indivisible.".
>
> Of course, that depends on the tools at one's disposal.  I recall Physics 
> teachers explaining that Electrons,Neutrons and Protons were called 
> "sub-atomic" part-icles because the prior generation though that the Atom 
> was the smallest, indivisible object.  And as an engineer, I was taught 
> that the difference between analog signals (messy Fourrier wholes)  and  
> digiat signals was that, in the digital realm, there were only 0 and 1.
>
> Now, with Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Computing, I am only *probably *sure 
> I can say "I think, therefore I am.".
>
> In the scope and context of TiddlyWiki, I have come to appreciate that *a 
> Character is the smallest practical Part* (glibly over-looking that there 
> are 4 bits to a Nibble and 2 Nibbles to a Byte and as many as possible 2^31 
> characters in the UniCode character set).  
>
> For me, that makes a unicode character the smallest possible fragment.  I 
> am also relatively certain that, since a Character is Indivisible, it can 
> only be divided by 1 or itself ... which is really neat since it means 
> Characters are like Prime numbers!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: My TW Performance

[TonyM]

Damon,

Thanks for sharing to the community. I would add some quick points for 
future readers of this post

   - Apart from load time taking longer as a wiki grows, installing a Splash 
   screen  helps
  - I have even included a message "preparing the interactive 
  environment" to intrigue them
   - The greatest limitation on performance seems to me to be what you see 
   on screen
  - Hide or close unnecessary elements like the side bar to boost 
  performance
   - I am working on a tool to snapshot tiddlers as static html in the wiki 
   for tiddlers that are complex and more often don't change often.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 7:48:00 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> There have many discussions in the past about how big a TW can get before 
> there are any performance issues so I figured I'd post this as a point of 
> reference for folks wondering about that. I will note that I am not 
> experiencing any performance issues at this time. The only delay that I 
> notice is in the backlinks widget of a footer that is part of probably half 
> of my tiddlers. The very first time I open this widget (it's in a tab), 
> there is a delay. After that, there is no delay.
>
> My TW is almost entirely text with all images as external links so that 
> helps a lot.
>
> Here is a screenshot about the size of my TW:
>
>
>
> My single file TW is approaching 10 MB in size. It resides in a folder in 
> OneDrive so that I can access it from either my desktop or my laptop both 
> of which are fairly high performance machines.
>
> Hope this helps anyone that is curious about large TWs (of which I 
> consider mine large, at least for file size).
>
> Damon
>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext lists in Shiraz Card Plugin

[TonyM]

Your Welcome.

Tony

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 3:53:02 AM UTC+10, passingby wrote:
>
> Hello Tony,
>
> Thank you for your solution. Really appreciate your effort. 
>
> -passingby
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 1:46:21 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Passingby;
>>
>> This example works for this use case by splitting the input on new line.
>>
>> <$list filter="[splitregexp[\n]]" variable=item>
>> <$macrocall $name="card" text=<>/>
>> 
>>
>> However it seems a little odd that your list contains the * which is 
>> usually reserved until displaying the list.
>>
>> If the list was tiddler titles you would possible use the enlist operator.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 5:07:35 PM UTC+10, passingby wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am trying out bootstrap cards of Shiraz plugin. I wanted a list to be 
>>> passed as 'text' parameter so I thought I need to pass it via a macro call 
>>> like this:
>>>
>>> \define somelistmacro()
>>> * item 1
>>> * item 2
>>> * item 3
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <$macrocall $name="card" text=<>/>
>>>
>>> But the wikitext list is not being rendered. What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Text and String Manipulation - the missing join options?

[TonyM]

Mario,

Will you or I raise that Issue?

Another approach would be a set of macros that return the value. 

However your approach makes more sense I would like to see the ability to 
do this more generally. 

I am surprised it cant seem to be achieved with html entities, ASCII or 
other fonts. Or perhaps it can and the join operator ignores it.

Join is not the only place, inside then or else operators, addprefix[\n] 
etc...

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 11:23:06 PM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> IMO should be a github feature request. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Request for plugin: Import improvement

[TonyM]

Saq,

What do you want to change about the import process? I have discovered its 
highly flexible and intended to release quite a few tools relating to this, 
I would be concerned if the possibilities were lost. I suspect it may not 
have being by design, but there are a great many possibilities already with 
the import process, I use many already manually, but have not published 
tools yet.

One way we can quickly see if a plugin is needed or not, we can look at the 
current way tiddlywiki does it, and if it is not using a plugin, it usually 
can be redesigned without needing a plugin, more specifically avoiding  the 
need for javaScript functions. If we do go the plugin/javascript route I 
would hope it does not reduce capabilities.

Please let me know what you would have be improved from an import 
functionality perspective, and I will see if I can address it, or even 
identify if its already possible at the same time as helping David.

There is already a method to set and check tiddlers during import, I 
already send such imports a different ways including to JSON, data 
tiddlers, plugins and more. It is highly extencible.

Keep an eye on this thread.

Thanks
Tony

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 10:15:17 PM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I have working, tested code sitting around to make a pull request to add 
> renaming to the import process. If Tony or someone else doesn't get around 
> to it before I do that, I can take a look at this as well. It's a pragmatic 
> request. I would want to be able to easily toggle shadow tiddlers as well.
>
> (On a different note I really want to revamp that entire Import UI. 
> well, not just the UI but the entire import process).
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 1:30:09 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is something that has bothered me for years. I am just going to say 
>> it now that we have a lot of newcomers that would benefit from this tiny 
>> improvement.
>>
>> I think the import tiddler should have two more checkboxes: Check/uncheck 
>> system tiddlers, and check/uncheck regular tiddlers.
>>
>> I say this because I suspect most users, when importing, are in one of 
>> two scenarios:
>>
>> 1. They want to move their notes (regular tiddlers) to a new TiddlyWiki 
>> setup, say, from Stroll to Drift, or vice versa, or from their old 
>> TiddlyWiki to TiddlyRoam, or whatever.
>> 2. They have perfected their setup ($:/ prefixed tiddlers) in a 
>> TiddlyWiki file they started that has lots of notes, and they want to 
>> create a new template from the shadow tiddlers without importing their 
>> notes.
>>
>> Either way, the simplest procedure SHOULD be, 
>>
>> a) download an empty.html from tiddlywiki.com or Stroll, etc
>> b) Import tiddlers from old file, with the ability to choose quickly to 
>> import only regular tiddlers or only $:/ prefixed tiddlers.
>>
>> But to do b, one must presently check or uncheck what could be dozens or 
>> even hundreds of tiddlers.
>>
>> Maybe there are other ways to do this in TiddlyWiki. If so, they are 
>> well-hidden and probably multistep and/or counterintuitive. It seems like 
>> this ought to be available at the import tiddler, to save people time. And 
>> it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to use checkboxes to distinguish 
>> and filter out tiddlers that start or don't start with $:/
>>
>> I think this should be core, but as the title states, I'd be willing to 
>> settle for a plugin. What do you guys think? Is this as desirable as I 
>> think it is? Or does it create more problems than it solves? Interested in 
>> hearing feedback. Blessings.
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Request for plugin: Import improvement

[TonyM]

David,

I will look at the approach you suggest, Another option, may be to use the 
tiddlywiki upgrade mechanism. It works to protect you from system tiddlers.

You can actually use the upgrade process even with the same version. 
Basically you drop your wiki on the big upgrade icon, then click to save, 
and save over you original wiki (if you have a backup for safety.

What ever solution we find, do consider the best place for us to document 
the process, I think self documentation may be the way to go. If the import 
process detected such a thing happening, ie importing system tiddlers 
perhaps it could provide a note to guide users. Then we dont need to depend 
on them reading something somewhere to learn.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 9:54:30 PM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony, yes, I knew there was something on the export side of things. 
> And I have done that once or twice. 
>
> But for a new user, that 'simple' workaround means 
>
> 1) knowing that the option exists
> 2) knowing how to get to advanced search and that you need to go to the 
> filter tab
> 3) going there
> 4) knowing what filter to put in the box
> 5) doing that
> 6) knowing what option to choose in the export popup, and doing that
> 7) not feeling intimidated by seeing the word 'json', which to some might 
> sound scarier than Jason from Friday the 13th
> 8) figuring out where to store the file on their computer
> 9) going back into another TiddlyWiki file
> 10) importing the json file.
>
> The process I am suggesting would reduce this to 
>
> 1. clicking a checkbox.
> 2. import the tiddlers
>
> Thanks for being willing to investigate this. Blessings.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:40 AM TonyM > 
> wrote:
>
>> David
>>
>> I have being working on various import tools so I will look to see if I 
>> can do this. By the way its already possible to hack the import process 
>> without plugins needed.
>>
>> In the mean time there is an easy work around. Go to your source wiki and 
>> advanced search filter tab to build filter the tiddlers you want to 
>> transfer to a json file.
>>
>> E.g. [!is[system]]
>>
>> Go to your empty html and import the json. 
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Presenting]: STROLL official rollout!

[TonyM]

Samhan

If you do find a way to build an electron app from a tiddlywiki please share 
with the community.

What advantages do you see doing this?

regards
Tony

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[tw5] Request for plugin: Import improvement

[TonyM]

David

I have being working on various import tools so I will look to see if I can do 
this. By the way its already possible to hack the import process without 
plugins needed.

In the mean time there is an easy work around. Go to your source wiki and 
advanced search filter tab to build filter the tiddlers you want to transfer to 
a json file.

E.g. [!is[system]]

Go to your empty html and import the json. 

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Re-imaging tag pills working prototype macros

[TonyM]

Your welcome ste.

If you it inspires you with a "what if" let me know.

tony

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[tw5] Re: Problem after upgrading TW5.1.20 to TW5.1.22

[TonyM]

Thanks Mario

Something has caused a few for no known reason in more than on wiki.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Re-imaging tag pills working prototype macros

[TonyM]

Are.

It to place buttons like any tool bar. Perhaps something to change status etc...

Try tagging a view template button with toolbar2 tag.

I will be making more tools that can use this space but any button should work 
there. I thought of putting the tag pill I created in the subtitle but that 
needs a core tiddler to be edited.

I am thinking of providing an alternative pill that allows you to tag the 
current tiddler from a set like status etc...

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Re-imaging tag pills working prototype macros

[TonyM]

Ste

It may appear redundant but its quite different in some ways for example if you 
have many tags you do not have to look for it. And typically there is no tag 
pill for the tiddler you are looking at.

It will only appear if other tiddlers have the current one as a tag. Ed it it a 
tag pill for the current tiddler, clicking of tableofcontents show the siblings 
of the current not its children.

Regards
Tony

But the placement off the special tag on the right is a demonstration the 
second toolbar.

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

TT,

Understood.

I understand the desire for one tool. Perhaps mark could give us a button 
to split a tiddler using the same mechanism rather than pasting through the 
front end.

However if importing a lot of content, it may be better to divide the 
incoming material somehow, even if it is mashed together later for reading. 

An example may be chapters. 

Sometimes this fragmentation say into chapters actually maintains 
information about the source that would otherwise be lost.

Regards
Tony



On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:02:50 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Actually TonyM the lapse on initial split is not an issue. It didn't fail. 
> And I'd rather use one tool than two.
>
> The problem, is the list field performance when its heavily populated?? 
> After cut, refresh, its still same issue I think.
>
> Best, TT
>
> On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:56:10 UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Did you paste into the utility?
>>
>> Perhaps first loading then processing would be better. Ie you are forcing 
>> a batch like operation into and interactive one. I expect there is another 
>> way.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 6:38:42 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Mark
>>>
>>> *Performance Tests*
>>>
>>> Test 1 -- Noto instance that can edit 500 short plain text tiddlers 
>>> (tweet length). Perfectly workable.
>>>
>>> Test 2 -- Noto instance to slice plain text novel into about 4000 
>>> paragraphs. It did manage the slice, though I put the kettle on waiting. 
>>> Its not really useable for live edit. But IT IS serviceable for initial 
>>> "document" creation. This is not an NW issue per se but I think a more 
>>> general issue with *performance at scale of the list field?* As as 
>>> separate issue I might look at lessons of the e-pub version of TW as it 
>>> uses dynamic loading well.
>>>
>>> Side notes
>>> TT
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 31 May 2020 19:28:33 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  In NW, every tiddler split into other tiddlers gets added to the list 
>>>> field of the main tag. Likewise, every tiddler deleted (via the interface) 
>>>> is removed from the list field of the main tag.
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Re-imaging tag pills working prototype macros

[TonyM]

Ste,

Do you mean my workflow for chrome?

I wonder out the original solution works on mobile too?

I expect I will need the tag pill to open left or centre, perhaps a modal 
instead would be needed.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:04:02 PM UTC+10, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Very smooth.unless you're on mobile...
>
> On Wednesday, 3 June 2020 09:13:53 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Sure,
>>
>> Fine with me, its only prototype. And I don't have a rapid demo and host 
>> setup yet available.
>>
>> Actually the reason why I did not think this was a barrier is because of 
>> this new workflow.
>>
>>- In Chrome click download
>>- Change the tab to tiddlywiki.com
>>- The json file appears in the browser tray at the bottom
>>- Drag the downloaded file and Drop it on tiddlywiki
>>- This works to any wiki out of the box, no new tab needed, very 
>>smooth.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the input.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 4:58:15 PM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>>
>>> Just a suggestion: I think you will get more feedback if you lower the 
>>> barrier to entry by posting a link to a working demo or attach a tiddlywiki 
>>> file, even if it is just a copy of TiddlyWiki.com with your tiddlers added.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 8:19:55 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> If you drop the attached json on a tiddlywiki, *perhaps tiddlywiki.com 
>>>> <http://tiddlywiki.com>* you will install a number of proto-type 
>>>> solutions for tag pills I have developed. 
>>>> They are all macros so no save and reload needed
>>>>
>>>> You can use them as is, modify them to you own taste or provide 
>>>> feedback before I release published versions. 
>>>>
>>>>- All macros have the PSaT brand as that is my business "People, 
>>>>Systems and Things".
>>>>- There is no licencing, they free to use without acknowledgement, 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does it include?
>>>>
>>>>- *Open All Tagged *- A macro that places an Option on tag pills to 
>>>>Open all Tiddlers so tagged
>>>>- *Close All Tagged* - A macro that places an Option on tag pills 
>>>>to Close all Tiddlers so tagged
>>>>- *Copy tag to clipboard* - A macro that places an Option on tag 
>>>>pills to copy the tagname to the clipboard
>>>>- *ViewToolBar2* use the tag $:/tags/ViewToolbar2 on tiddlers to 
>>>>add them to an additional toolbar on tiddlers using the view template
>>>>- A *tagging here* icon
>>>>   - Either using one of the tiddlers as a template in your 
>>>>   tiddlers, 
>>>>   - or taggit with $:/tags/ViewToolbar2
>>>>  - A tag Icon appears, below your ViewToolbar if the current 
>>>>  tiddler is so tagged
>>>>  - From here you can make use of the various tag pill 
>>>>  additions above
>>>>  - Use this to quickly navigate to children tagged with this 
>>>>  tiddler.
>>>>   - The tag will respond to the current tiddlers icon and color 
>>>>   field
>>>>   - People may make use of the image $:/PSaT/tagging-here/images/tag 
>>>>   for their own use
>>>>
>>>> *Please provide feedback on the individual items or this as a package 
>>>> as a whole.*
>>>>
>>>> This may give you all some hints to a secret development, I am planning 
>>>> for tiddlywiki, I hope will be of revolutionary nature, who knows. 
>>>> I will keep it secret for now but feedback on this facility here will 
>>>> help me develop it further, because I plan to leverage these tools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Some Questions I have;*
>>>>
>>>>- How do I make the dropdown open to the left, rather than right of 
>>>>where I click?
>>>>   - If the side bar is closed this is a little awkward to use
>>>>- Would viewtoolbar2 make sense as a part of the standard 
>>>>distribution?
>>>>- Does viewtoolbar2 have any unwanted side effects?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance, but I hope you find this useful in its own right.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> TonyM
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Setting the domain for relative addresses

[TonyM]

Folks,

If you export a html and it contains relative addresses if opened from 
another location they are all wrong.

There is a way to set the html or document root, in the html file, so all 
links become relative to that, ie below that address.

However for the life of me I cant google it with the correct terminology.

Can anyone help? Please

Why?

   - I realised with the internals plugin you get a raw html preview, this 
   can be used to generate a snapshot of the generated html, ie a snapshot of 
   the rendered tiddler, 
   - you can export this to a static html, all I need to do it to add back 
   the domain path from which all links will be relative
   - By leveraging the same mechanisms of the internals plugin I hope to 
   develop in wiki snapshots, and exportable html that links back to the 
   source wiki.

Thanks in advance
 

Tony

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Did you paste into the utility?

Perhaps first loading then processing would be better. Ie you are forcing a 
batch like operation into and interactive one. I expect there is another 
way.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 6:38:42 PM UTC+10, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark
>
> *Performance Tests*
>
> Test 1 -- Noto instance that can edit 500 short plain text tiddlers (tweet 
> length). Perfectly workable.
>
> Test 2 -- Noto instance to slice plain text novel into about 4000 
> paragraphs. It did manage the slice, though I put the kettle on waiting. 
> Its not really useable for live edit. But IT IS serviceable for initial 
> "document" creation. This is not an NW issue per se but I think a more 
> general issue with *performance at scale of the list field?* As as 
> separate issue I might look at lessons of the e-pub version of TW as it 
> uses dynamic loading well.
>
> Side notes
> TT
>
> On Sunday, 31 May 2020 19:28:33 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>  In NW, every tiddler split into other tiddlers gets added to the list 
>> field of the main tag. Likewise, every tiddler deleted (via the interface) 
>> is removed from the list field of the main tag.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext lists in Shiraz Card Plugin

[TonyM]

Passingby;

This example works for this use case by splitting the input on new line.

<$list filter="[splitregexp[\n]]" variable=item>
<$macrocall $name="card" text=<>/>


However it seems a little odd that your list contains the * which is 
usually reserved until displaying the list.

If the list was tiddler titles you would possible use the enlist operator.

Regards
Tony



On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 5:07:35 PM UTC+10, passingby wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am trying out bootstrap cards of Shiraz plugin. I wanted a list to be 
> passed as 'text' parameter so I thought I need to pass it via a macro call 
> like this:
>
> \define somelistmacro()
> * item 1
> * item 2
> * item 3
> \end
>
> <$macrocall $name="card" text=<>/>
>
> But the wikitext list is not being rendered. What am I doing wrong?
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyGov - large scale government intranet

[TonyM]

Happy to Discuss - you may need to use timeanddate.com because I am in 
Sydney +8 UTC/GMT

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 5:06:12 PM UTC+10, Merging Codes wrote:
>
> Hello Tony and Hans
>
> Thank you for your suggestions and interest.
>
> I want to know how to host tiddlywikis using the resources/platforms 
> currently used by the BC government.
>
> I don't foresee security being much of a concern.  Just logins like the 
> Anna Freud manuals.  It sounds like Jeremy has what I am looking for.  I 
> will follow up with him.  
>
> As for what I have in mind. 
>
>- the *why *of this project is to democratize and liberate knowledge, 
>creativity, collaboration and innovation.
>
>
>- the *what* is twofold
>   - we extract all information from the current paper-based 
>   containers (Word, PDF, Email, NoteBook, etc) and place them in 
> tiddlywikis
>   - we stop putting information in said containers
>
>
>- the *how* is we empower and encourage every public servant the time 
>and permission to
>   - go through their email and extract everything of value worth 
>   keeping
>   - collectively come up with a plan to go through all of the 
>   information in the programs are
>
>
> It is past my bedtime and my brain went to bed on time so that is all I 
> have for now!   Perhaps we could Zoom or, better yet, meet in Mozilla Hubs 
> and chat about it.  It will take a lot less time, at least on my end.  Here 
> is a room I set up using the scene the BCDev Exchange Lab set up to do 
> virtual tours of their lab: hub.link/5wAjqxj  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
> (aka Merging Codes)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Re-imaging tag pills working prototype macros

[TonyM]

Sure,

Fine with me, its only prototype. And I don't have a rapid demo and host 
setup yet available.

Actually the reason why I did not think this was a barrier is because of 
this new workflow.

   - In Chrome click download
   - Change the tab to tiddlywiki.com
   - The json file appears in the browser tray at the bottom
   - Drag the downloaded file and Drop it on tiddlywiki
   - This works to any wiki out of the box, no new tab needed, very smooth.


Thanks for the input.

Tony

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 4:58:15 PM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Just a suggestion: I think you will get more feedback if you lower the 
> barrier to entry by posting a link to a working demo or attach a tiddlywiki 
> file, even if it is just a copy of TiddlyWiki.com with your tiddlers added.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 8:19:55 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> If you drop the attached json on a tiddlywiki, *perhaps tiddlywiki.com 
>> <http://tiddlywiki.com>* you will install a number of proto-type 
>> solutions for tag pills I have developed. 
>> They are all macros so no save and reload needed
>>
>> You can use them as is, modify them to you own taste or provide feedback 
>> before I release published versions. 
>>
>>- All macros have the PSaT brand as that is my business "People, 
>>Systems and Things".
>>- There is no licencing, they free to use without acknowledgement, 
>>
>>
>> What does it include?
>>
>>- *Open All Tagged *- A macro that places an Option on tag pills to 
>>Open all Tiddlers so tagged
>>- *Close All Tagged* - A macro that places an Option on tag pills to 
>>Close all Tiddlers so tagged
>>- *Copy tag to clipboard* - A macro that places an Option on tag 
>>pills to copy the tagname to the clipboard
>>- *ViewToolBar2* use the tag $:/tags/ViewToolbar2 on tiddlers to add 
>>them to an additional toolbar on tiddlers using the view template
>>- A *tagging here* icon
>>   - Either using one of the tiddlers as a template in your tiddlers, 
>>   - or taggit with $:/tags/ViewToolbar2
>>  - A tag Icon appears, below your ViewToolbar if the current 
>>  tiddler is so tagged
>>  - From here you can make use of the various tag pill additions 
>>  above
>>  - Use this to quickly navigate to children tagged with this 
>>  tiddler.
>>   - The tag will respond to the current tiddlers icon and color field
>>   - People may make use of the image $:/PSaT/tagging-here/images/tag 
>>   for their own use
>>
>> *Please provide feedback on the individual items or this as a package as 
>> a whole.*
>>
>> This may give you all some hints to a secret development, I am planning 
>> for tiddlywiki, I hope will be of revolutionary nature, who knows. 
>> I will keep it secret for now but feedback on this facility here will 
>> help me develop it further, because I plan to leverage these tools
>>
>>
>> *Some Questions I have;*
>>
>>- How do I make the dropdown open to the left, rather than right of 
>>where I click?
>>   - If the side bar is closed this is a little awkward to use
>>- Would viewtoolbar2 make sense as a part of the standard 
>>distribution?
>>- Does viewtoolbar2 have any unwanted side effects?
>>
>> Thanks in advance, but I hope you find this useful in its own right.
>>
>> Regards
>> TonyM
>>
>

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[tw5] Re-imaging tag pills working prototype macros

[TonyM]

Folks,

If you drop the attached json on a tiddlywiki, *perhaps tiddlywiki.com* you 
will install a number of proto-type solutions for tag pills I have 
developed. 
They are all macros so no save and reload needed

You can use them as is, modify them to you own taste or provide feedback 
before I release published versions. 

   - All macros have the PSaT brand as that is my business "People, Systems 
   and Things".
   - There is no licencing, they free to use without acknowledgement, 


What does it include?

   - *Open All Tagged *- A macro that places an Option on tag pills to Open 
   all Tiddlers so tagged
   - *Close All Tagged* - A macro that places an Option on tag pills to 
   Close all Tiddlers so tagged
   - *Copy tag to clipboard* - A macro that places an Option on tag pills 
   to copy the tagname to the clipboard
   - *ViewToolBar2* use the tag $:/tags/ViewToolbar2 on tiddlers to add 
   them to an additional toolbar on tiddlers using the view template
   - A *tagging here* icon
  - Either using one of the tiddlers as a template in your tiddlers, 
  - or taggit with $:/tags/ViewToolbar2
 - A tag Icon appears, below your ViewToolbar if the current 
 tiddler is so tagged
 - From here you can make use of the various tag pill additions 
 above
 - Use this to quickly navigate to children tagged with this 
 tiddler.
  - The tag will respond to the current tiddlers icon and color field
  - People may make use of the image $:/PSaT/tagging-here/images/tag 
  for their own use
   
*Please provide feedback on the individual items or this as a package as a 
whole.*

This may give you all some hints to a secret development, I am planning for 
tiddlywiki, I hope will be of revolutionary nature, who knows. 
I will keep it secret for now but feedback on this facility here will help 
me develop it further, because I plan to leverage these tools


*Some Questions I have;*

   - How do I make the dropdown open to the left, rather than right of 
   where I click?
  - If the side bar is closed this is a little awkward to use
   - Would viewtoolbar2 make sense as a part of the standard distribution?
   - Does viewtoolbar2 have any unwanted side effects?

Thanks in advance, but I hope you find this useful in its own right.

Regards
TonyM

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reimagin-tags.bundle.json
Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: Problem after upgrading TW5.1.20 to TW5.1.22

[TonyM]

Eric,

Thanks, Not sure how that happened, but it seems a list that listed such 
tiddlers would be useful.

Much appreciated
Tony 

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 1:07:59 PM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 7:43:13 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> After upgrading and existing file wiki from TW5.1.20 to TW5.1.22
>> Internal JavaScript Error
>> Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki 
>> by refreshing your browser
>> TypeError: $tw.wiki.doesPluginRequireReload is not a function
>>
>
> The function $tw.wiki.doesPluginRequireReload() is called in 
> *$:/core/modules/startup/plugins.js*, and is defined in 
> *$:/core/modules/wiki.js*
>
> I would guess that perhaps you had previously edited 
> *$:/core/modules/wiki.js* in your TW5.1.20 document, and during upgrade 
> the modified tiddler was copied forward into your TW5.1.22 document.
>
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] Problem after upgrading TW5.1.20 to TW5.1.22

[TonyM]

Folks,

After upgrading and existing file wiki from TW5.1.20 to TW5.1.22

Internal JavaScript Error
Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki 
by refreshing your browser
TypeError: $tw.wiki.doesPluginRequireReload is not a function

I understand the reload test was introduced recently and Would like to stop 
this error. 

Any ideas ?

Thanks
Tony

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Post Script,

In this example note how I have an "optional toc" below the research 
tiddler. This could be changes to allow the content of a child tiddler or 
its title, to be dragged back into the tiddler it was split from.

What I am trying to say, your solution is so powerful it can stand on its 
own, then build the additional functionality over the top. This makes t 
simpler and allows components to be swapped in and out.

Imagine if I pasted text that was automatically spit into child tiddlers 
and they were listed in the left TOC, a little more design trickery could 
achieve a lot. Like not expanding the children if named in the current 
tiddler.


[image: Snag_3cf366b4.png]

TonyM


On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 12:12:07 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Your original idea is of great value. I am wondering if you should 
> complete it, a Minimum Viable and see of other methods can add the 
> additional functionality you seek.
>
> If your original idea was made into a custom view template in this example 
> here;
>
>
> This is only a friendly suggestion. 
>
> I am playing with a version of toc internal nav. This actually provides 
> the outline, the following tools could quickly support the other features 
> you are looking for.
>
>- The tag pills allow reordering
>- Its easy to expand an collapse the tree
>- We can reduce the complexity of the view template, perhaps even no 
>toolbar
>
>
> [image: Snag_3cecda4f.png]
> Regards Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:25:46 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's starting to look more outliney. The process of deciding changing 
>> behaviour by level leaves all sorts of paragraph breaks, which I haven't 
>> completely discovered how to deal with yet. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> One of my intended goals is to bring outlining capability in some 
>>> fashion to TW.
>>>
>>> I think ... I hope ... I've got the logic working. Well, the logic for 
>>> folding/hiding.
>>>
>>> The screenshot below may not look very much like an outliner, but it 
>>> shows the fundamental logic is working. Each item can have an outline level 
>>> of 1 to 5 (arbitrary, but who looks at anything below 5?). The F checkbox 
>>> means folded. Items with a lower number above them (where a lower number 
>>> means higher in the outline tree) are hidden if the item above them is 
>>> folded. The big clumsy unfold symbol means every thing below is 
>>> folded/hidden.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: NotoWritey - A proposed simple document editor for TW

[TonyM]

Mark,

Your original idea is of great value. I am wondering if you should complete 
it, a Minimum Viable and see of other methods can add the additional 
functionality you seek.

If your original idea was made into a custom view template in this example 
here;


This is only a friendly suggestion. 

I am playing with a version of toc internal nav. This actually provides the 
outline, the following tools could quickly support the other features you 
are looking for.

   - The tag pills allow reordering
   - Its easy to expand an collapse the tree
   - We can reduce the complexity of the view template, perhaps even no 
   toolbar


[image: Snag_3cecda4f.png] 

Regards Tony







On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:25:46 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> It's starting to look more outliney. The process of deciding changing 
> behaviour by level leaves all sorts of paragraph breaks, which I haven't 
> completely discovered how to deal with yet. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> One of my intended goals is to bring outlining capability in some fashion 
>> to TW.
>>
>> I think ... I hope ... I've got the logic working. Well, the logic for 
>> folding/hiding.
>>
>> The screenshot below may not look very much like an outliner, but it 
>> shows the fundamental logic is working. Each item can have an outline level 
>> of 1 to 5 (arbitrary, but who looks at anything below 5?). The F checkbox 
>> means folded. Items with a lower number above them (where a lower number 
>> means higher in the outline tree) are hidden if the item above them is 
>> folded. The big clumsy unfold symbol means every thing below is 
>> folded/hidden.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Text and String Manipulation - the missing join options?

[TonyM]

Folks,

Has anyone noticed we have the following Operators

   - split (using simple text)
   - splitregexp Operator  
(using 
   advanced regex)
   
Then we have

   - Join  (using simple text)
   - ??

The missing piece here is how do we insert or replace non simple text?, in 
many cases you can use a macro to define what to join with but only if you 
can represent it as wikitext. 


   - The key example is one cant join using the new line character, 
   splitregexp allows to to split based on \n but there is now way to join 
   with \n
   - Eric shared a workaround, but I believe we need to solve this gap. 
   - It would be quite easy to identify a handful of other special 
   characters such as tabs.
   - One thought is a set of macros that contain the special characters, eg 
   <> to use with join
   - I was surprised I could not find a html entity or special character 
   for new line.


Your thoughts?

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Question regarding Drift

[TonyM]

Rhod,

I am a little confused as to what is happening for you, because my simple 
answer is close these tiddlers, and they leave the story river. Or are you 
looking somewhere else like the open or recent tab?

Perhaps share an image if you cant find the words.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:13:12 AM UTC+10, Rhod Evans wrote:
>
> Hi - probably another newbie question but is there any way to prevent a 
> tiddler showing up in Drift's story river?  I have created two image 
> tiddlers using _canonical_uri and then created a journal entry where the 
> two image tiddlers are referenced.  Everything's working perfectly and the 
> two images are correctly inserted into my journal entry.  However, as well 
> as the journal entry I also have the two image tiddlers showing up in the 
> story river.  Is there any way that they can be prevented from appearing, 
> as they don't need to be there?
>
> Thanks for your patience!
> Rhod
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyDesktop problems on Pixelbook

[TonyM]

Filippo,

I am afraid the Author of TiddlyDesktop is Jeremy, who is recovering from 
Covid-19 at this time. A Reply may be a while incoming.

It it provides any guidance, I am no expert in this, but your error 
messages are not implicating tiddly desktop but some other aspect of your 
devices operation. Unless perhaps it relates to the browser component of 
TiddlyDesktop which I believe in Chromium or another standard based browser.

Best of Luck
tony


On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 10:35:25 PM UTC+10, Filippo Salustri wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm trying to run TiddlyDesktop 0.0.14 on my Pixelbook, in the linux 
> container.
> I'm getting the following error when I run the 64-bit linux version TD:
>
> % TiddlyDesktop-linux64-v0.0.14/nw
> [2615:2615:0602/081712.999489:ERROR:edid_parser.cc(102)] Too short EDID 
> data: manufacturer id
> [2615:2649:0602/081713.131424:ERROR:object_proxy.cc(632)] Failed to call 
> method: org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get: object_path= 
> /org/freedesktop/UPower: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The 
> name org.freedesktop.UPower was not provided by any .service files
> [2615:2649:0602/081713.131859:ERROR:object_proxy.cc(632)] Failed to call 
> method: org.freedesktop.UPower.GetDisplayDevice: object_path= 
> /org/freedesktop/UPower: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The 
> name org.freedesktop.UPower was not provided by any .service files
> [2615:2649:0602/081713.138788:ERROR:object_proxy.cc(632)] Failed to call 
> method: org.freedesktop.UPower.EnumerateDevices: object_path= 
> /org/freedesktop/UPower: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The 
> name org.freedesktop.UPower was not provided by any .service files
> [2657:2657:0602/081713.240478:FATAL:nw_content_renderer_hooks.cc(53)] 
> Failed to load node library (error: libatomic.so.1: cannot open shared 
> object file: No such file or directory)
> #0 0x7aba791dbe89 
> (/home/filsalustri/TiddlyDesktop-linux64-v0.0.14/lib/libnw.so+0x462ee88)
>
> [2644:2661:0602/081713.349885:ERROR:gbm_wrapper.cc(271)] Failed to export 
> buffer to dma_buf: No such file or directory (2)
> ...
>
> I recognize that this might be a problem in the beta linux container in 
> the Pixelbook, but I thought I'd report it here too. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Prepared CodeMirror Edition

[TonyM]

Mario,

I understand the warnings about local storage and someone wishing to have 
multi-device, secure date etc... they must take further steps. Lets me 
explain why I think it worth making it available but inactive.


But first, GIT savers
I do have a site using a Git based saver, setting it up was not a users 
type of task, what If I want to enable saving changes to hundreds of users? 
Even in their own sand box?

There is still some room for improvement. At the moment, it's not 
> "visually" clear which tiddlers are stored locally in the browser. ... and 
> it's not clear, if all local tiddlers are saved to GitHub, if the user 
> hit's the save button. 


This stands even for the local storage only situation.

Some of my debug sessions showed, that not everything is stored. So I 
> needed to do 2 or more saves. ... I couldn't find the problem yet, so more 
> research needed.


This sounds like a critical need.

Of importance here is the Local Storage plugin has only being available for 
a relatively short time in TWC and I believe application that make use of 
it are as yet undeveloped.

   - Simple storing of state information and preferences can be very 
   helpful to user interaction, that can be lost without damage to an 
   otherwise read only environment.
   - Local storage can be used to extend protection for loss in a single 
   active session, like filling out a survey, 
  - oops I closed the tab, follow the link again in the same browser 
  and your prior state will most likely be there
  - Without local storage there is no coming back from a tab closure 
  without a download/server/saver involved
  - It is easy to prompt users to export, send save there survey result 
  before closing the tab.
 - I am keen to develop a way to make a json file of changes, 
 package and allow the user to send an email with this json file 
attached 
 (From a read only wiki)
  - Local storage can be helpful when server contact is lost
   - I have a Local storage icon underdevelopment to display state, warn 
   etc... but not complete because the combinations of possibilities are quite 
   high
  - It manages consent and warnings
  - If this works well it could be incorporated into the plugin, or 
  work along side it.
   - I am looking at developing a changes only backup process to the local 
   device (See below)
   - Could we get a save changes method to capture changes for each user so 
   they have their own "copy with Changes"


Changes Only Backup process

Mario with your other backup solutions you may be in a position to help 
here. For TiddlyWikis hosted reliably on the internet the ability to make 
changes but save only the changes as a difference backup would allow the 
restoration of a wiki back to the previous state.

   - I wonder if the existing browser backup methods could be reworked to 
   support this?
   - Its an interesting challenge to make this user friendly, 
   - If local storage was lost, could a read only version detect there were 
   changes saved on the local device previously?

*In Closing* I do feel strongly that we are yet to scratch the surface of 
capabilities of local storage be if the one provided by the plugin *or 
other more reliable methods*. 

Yes we need to accept the limitations as they stand and find smart ways to 
inform and set expectations of its use.

I remain incredulous that even with a user granting the required 
permissions, even jumping through hoops to do so, that they can't permit a 
given site reliable local storage. This is the security tail waging the 
usability dog, personally I speculate this limitation must be overcome. 
Perhaps a separate app or executable on all devices that implements 
something like Jed's single file saver is our only option, then add a 
management tool to sync save and export.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyGov - large scale government intranet

[TonyM]

Merging Codes,

As with Hans I am intrigued. Your links are primarily to coding standards 
and hosting options. I am not sure what "large intranet for government 
using tiddlywiki" is conceived as. Riz points out that Jeremy has put an 
Amazon web service solution together with a lot of content for, I think, 
legal resources. So I believe he is the only one that is done this at 
scale, but I think Jeds Bob is running in a team environment.

The potential scope for the needs of a government Intranet are vast, and 
whilst tiddlywikis possibilities are vast, I do consider tiddlywiki a 
platform, I still feel the multi-user multi-access and security of 
tiddlywiki may not work well with a large intranet except in so far as 
publishing individual websites or software tools.

But if I knew more about what a Government Intranet would need... other 
than my own guessing.

Whilst I say Tiddlywiki may not be suitable, I continue to develop the idea 
of using tiddlywiki as a "business intelligence" environment. I am 
interested in loosely coupled tiddlywikis and using tiddlywiki to generate 
sites. I suppose what I am saying at this point in time such an application 
as a large intranet is in tiddlywikis future, but not here now. But we may 
start somewhere so it becomes in its future.

I have build extensive SharePoint Intranet sites, even tiddlywiki on top of 
sharepoint for a paid customer, but tiddlywiki is still seems only a niche 
solution at this point.

I too am intrigued about the idea of using it as an intranet environment 
and will give it more thought.

To  me it is a matter of scaling whilst keeping the modularity.

Regards
Tony
 

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 8:25:22 PM UTC+10, Merging Codes wrote:
>
> What would be the best way to set up a large intranet for government using 
> tiddlywiki?  I want to put together a pitch about using TW for knowledge 
> management.
>
>
> This will hopefully give an idea of the IT resources at hand:
>
> https://developer.gov.bc.ca/Data-and-APIs/BC-Government-API-Guidelines
>
>
> https://developer.gov.bc.ca/Getting-Started-on-the-DevOps-Platform/BC-Government-OpenShift-Container-Platform-Service-Definition
>
>

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[tw5] TW: The Wilderness Years

[TonyM]

TT

Is that your own words?

To me I think of it as the years BT and AT BEFORE AND AFTER TIDDLYWIKI. Are the 
wilderness years BT?

tony

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[tw5] Re: Menubar Customization / Sticky Titles

[TonyM]

Thanks,

Tony

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 1:28:33 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TonyM,
> In the plugin stylesheet, look for the background color for the menubar, 
> you could ad opacity.
> https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_opacity.asp
> The opacity-level describes the transparency-level, where 1 is not 
> transparent at all, 0.5 is 50% see-through, and 0 is completely transparent.
>
> Birthe
>
>
> It would be nice to make the menu bar able to have an opaque background.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Prepared CodeMirror Edition

[TonyM]

Birthe,

Yes, I have done 90% of a local storage indicator icon to make this simple. 
Which I will eventually combine with any use of local storage.

Regards
Tony


On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 1:56:25 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TonyM,
>
> Thank you so much. It sure make sense.
> I lack a lot of knowledge in these areas because I do not get much around, 
> and do not own smartphone and only an old, small tablet I do not like to 
> use ;-). Money really is the root of all evil;-)
> Your example using tiddlywiki.com is very well chosen, that can be 
> understood by everyone.
>
> It is kind of related to the panic reaction. Your wiki will not save, 
> error message or something. Fever dragging of the latest tiddlers to the 
> browsers menubar getting strange names. Find the backup and start over, 
> drag the strange names to the wikia sigh of relief is heard.
>
> Birthe
>

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