[tw5] Re: Suggestions to use TW for Weight-Loss

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I used carbocommander to track calories, carbs, fiber:  
https://carbocommander.tiddlyhost.com/
But you might be looking for something more intensive.
As mentioned above, you'll get more responses at talk.tiddlywiki.org .
On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 10:01:08 AM UTC-8 springer wrote:

> Hello Valdus!
>
> You'll find much more active discussion over at the discourse forum, which 
> is the current official community discussion location. 
>
> Although there's no thread specifically on weight loss, there are folks 
> who have discussed working with TiddlyWiki for medical information 
> tracking, and habit tracking:
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/phr-personal-health-record-example/1610/8
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/habit-tracker-in-tw/4003
>
> If those threads don't give you a good starting-point, you can certainly 
> post your questions there, with better likelihood of getting responses.
>
> -Springer
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 11:32:21 AM UTC-5 Valdus Constante wrote:
>
>> Just as the title says, I am looking for a way or an extension to use TW 
>> to help me lose weight. 
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: saving with timimi in Firefox (117 and 118) stopped working for me

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Oh, one more thought.

In your browser type in 

about:config

Search for Timimi. There should be one key. If there is not, then perhaps 
that is the problem.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:50:23 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

> I would try running the Mac installer from the command line, and seeing if 
> there are error messages.
>
> Note that there are special instructions for Mac Catalina
>
> There are other ways to save besides Timimi. There's the default HTML5 
> saver. There is TiddlyDesktop. You can run your files using a webdav server 
> (I understand there is a webdav server already on Mac. But if not, there is 
> Rclone that can run as a webdav server).
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: saving with timimi in Firefox (117 and 118) stopped working for me

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I would try running the Mac installer from the command line, and seeing if 
there are error messages.

Note that there are special instructions for Mac Catalina

There are other ways to save besides Timimi. There's the default HTML5 
saver. There is TiddlyDesktop. You can run your files using a webdav server 
(I understand there is a webdav server already on Mac. But if not, there is 
Rclone that can run as a webdav server).



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[tw5] Re: saving with timimi in Firefox (117 and 118) stopped working for me

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The people having trouble seem to be running linux. Are you on linux?

Riz has said he's stepping away from TW but will still support Timimi.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-7 boaz...@gmail.com wrote:

> I get a message saying 
> "Timimi
> Can't read and change data on this site"
>
> I found another person with a similar issue
> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/issues/92
>
> Thanks for any help! I can't use Tiddlywiki without this!
> Regards,
> Boaz
>

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[tw5] Re: CheckboxWidget listField Mode but not a RevealWidget listField option

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I usually use the list widget instead of the reveal widget unless I need 
the "popup" or "tag" abilities.

For the reveal widget, you can use the "text",  and "default" attributes, 
and the filter transclusion. So contents might look like:

<$reveal type="match" text="match" 
default={{{[all[current]contains:phases[myvalue]then[match]else[nomatch]]}}} 
>

My text to show



You are more likely to get even more answers over at the forum on 
talk.tiddlywiki.org .


On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:12:33 AM UTC-7 León Digital wrote:

> I updated my wiki to the 5.3.1 version and my macros for using the new 
> CheckboxWidget listField. I use a list field, "phases" to store a list with 
> the fases.
>
> I need to use a RevealWidget to show and hide the text of all this pases 
> but there is not a listfield option in this widget.
>
> Is this posible?
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Java Issue

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm not familiar with the "Layout Adjustment" plugin. Do you have a 
reference?

I would try disabling the Layout and Adjustment plugin, saving, and 
reloading (after making a backup of course).

There were some big changes with 5.3.0, so it might be that that plugin 
doesn't work quite right now.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:00:24 AM UTC-7 thr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not yahoo, sorry Chrome
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:00:01 PM UTC-4 Jason Peterson wrote:
>
>> The browser doesn't matter I get it in yahoo, firefox and opera GX.  TW 
>> version is 5.3.0.  Plugins are Core and Layout Adjustment
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:34:19 PM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> What browser are you using? What plugins do you have installed? What 
>>> version of TW is this?
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:42:22 AM UTC-7 thr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello all!
 I am so grateful for this wonderful tool I have been using it for 
 years!  I do have an issue right now with a pop up window I get when ever 
 I 
 go into an entry when on my Android One UI version 5.1, Android version 
 13.  It is a java error that I am attaching here.  If anyone has some 
 insight as to how to get rid of said pop up, it would be greatly 
 appreciated!

 Thank you
 Jason[image: TWJavaissue.png]

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Java Issue

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

What browser are you using? What plugins do you have installed? What 
version of TW is this?

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:42:22 AM UTC-7 thr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all!
> I am so grateful for this wonderful tool I have been using it for years!  
> I do have an issue right now with a pop up window I get when ever I go into 
> an entry when on my Android One UI version 5.1, Android version 13.  It is 
> a java error that I am attaching here.  If anyone has some insight as to 
> how to get rid of said pop up, it would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thank you
> Jason[image: TWJavaissue.png]
>

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[tw5] Re: Sudden horizontal scrollbar and blank space in my TW

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You have a lot going on in your TW. I'd guess you have at least a half 
dozen plugins. Nothing
wrong with that, but when you use multiple plugins from different authors 
it becomes
increasingly likely that some bit of CSS or other code will conflict with 
each other. Especially
when you're making major changes to the UI.

Off hand, I would try reverting the left hand column to right hand and see 
if the problem goes away. 
Then turning off 2 columns and see if that fixes anything. Then work your 
way through the other
plugins. Try to determine which plugin is introducing
the issue. When you've determined which plugin is causing the issue, then 
find the author
and ask if they've seen the issue. Or repost the question in terms of the 
plugin so others who are
using that plugin can respond.

Hope you're feeling better!
 

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:10:27 AM UTC-7 Kiya wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm not really sure what you are trying to say??
>
> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 14:31:02 UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> When you clicked tab more and then all you got a very long list of 
>> tiddlers without the horizontal scrollbar you would not be able to see them 
>> all.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 12:56:55 PM UTC+2 Kiya wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone!!
>>>
>>> As the title says, my TW has suddenly seemed to gain a big amount of 
>>> blank space to the right of the storyriver which has added a horizontal 
>>> scrollbar to my page. I've not been on my TW much for a few weeks due to 
>>> illness so I'm not exactly sure when this happened but noticed it yesterday 
>>> and have been trying to figure it out. I've been comparing it to a backup 
>>> from a month ago and everything that I think could be the issue is 
>>> identical, so I am stumped. 
>>>
>>> I am not an expert in programming and honestly, don't know what I am 
>>> doing 99% of the time, wouldn't even say I am an intermediate, I am just 
>>> great at googling and have ADHD so I have always been good at just figuring 
>>> things out myself, but this one has truly got me lost. 
>>>
>>> I have attached a video showing what I mean by blank space and just the 
>>> general behaviour of it all, it seems to favour the left.
>>>
>>> Any help is much appreciated!!
>>>
>>> Kiya
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Cannot save with Chrome on C:\documents

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You should probably at least disable it to avoid conflicts.

What extension are you thinking of using?

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 6:47:25 AM UTC-7 bacc...@protonmail.com 
wrote:

> If I wanted to try a chrome extension to handle saving would I have to 
> remove your imported tiddler? 
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Cannot save with Chrome on C:\documents

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Yes -- once per opening. I suppose that's a problem if you don't have yours 
opened all day.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-7 bacc...@protonmail.com 
wrote:

> So each time I open the TW file I have to do the manual Save As dialog one 
> time? That's what it's doing right now.
>
>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Cannot save with Chrome on C:\documents

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There are 20+ saver solutions posted on TiddlyWiki.com. The question is, 
how tightly is your system secured?

Can you run executable programs on USB (.exe) ?
Can you install executable programs (.exe) ?
Can you install extensions on your browser?
What websites are you allowed access to?

If you can install exe's and extensions, then the best solution is probably 
Timimi. It makes saving work like it did on TH.

If you can run portable apps, then tiddlydesktop might be a choice to run 
from USB.

If you can't do either of these, you might try the TW5-browser-nativesaver 
 It will 
display a confirmation dialog whenever the browser restarts, but the rest 
of the time works transparently.

If you can access Github, then you could use the github saver.

Another possibility is to run node.js on your phone, and use your desktop 
browser to access it. The problem is, everyone on your intranet could also 
access sit.



On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 5:37:22 AM UTC-7 bacc...@protonmail.com wrote:

> Hi I have TW 5.2.2 I downloaded from Tiddlyhost. This TW was actually 
> created on Tiddlyhost, I don't know if that is a factor. 
>
> I'm using Chrome v100.0.4896.127 (it just upgraded today). I am storing 
> the TW in c:\documents\chuckdocs\. This is at work and IT has security 
> pretty tight so I don't know if that's an issue either. I don't know if my 
> Windows user is an admin on this machine at work. 
>
> But when I save the TW in Chrome I get the File Save As dialog. I'd like 
> to skip that dialog so when I hit the TW save button it just saves. 
>
> Any ideas how I can fix this? 
>
> Thank you! You all are such great helpers!
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to sort a list by multiple fields (and put it in a table)?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I typed too quickly. It is hard to help without access to the data in use. 
However, this worked in my tests:

```
<$list 
filter="[c_status[incumbent]]:sort:string:caseinsensitive[{!!rank}addsuffix{!!birth_year}]">
<$link to=<>> <$view field=birth_year/> <$view 
field=title/> <$view field=rank/>

```

Note the use of {!!rank} to get the rank value.

You will likely get even more answers if you 
use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ , which is now the primary forum for 
TiddlyWiki.

HTH

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:56:20 PM UTC-7 Harry wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for the help! I tried to copy your code, but it gives a syntax 
> error notice. All my fields used for sorting are numerical values, do I 
> still need to treat them as string in the code? (e.g. 1960.02 for 
> birth_year, 50 for rank)
>
> What I have now is 
>
> ```
> <$list 
> filter="[c_status[incumbent]:sort:number[[rank]addsuffix[birth_year]]]">
> <$link to=<>><$view field=birth_year/><$view 
> field=title/><$view field=rank/>
> 
> 
>
> or
> ```
> <$list 
> filter="[c_status[incumbent]:sort:string:caseinsensitive[[rank]addsuffix[birth_year]]">
> <$link to=<>><$view field=birth_year/><$view 
> field=title/><$view field=rank/>
>  
> ```
>
> Neither code seems to work and I'm having some difficulty in reading 
> through the SFRP document. Would anyone mind helping me to look more into 
> this? Many thanks!
>
> 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki  于2022年4月16日周六 
> 10:00写道：
>
>> To sort by multiple fields, you would use the sort filter run prefix 
>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix>.(SFRP) Inside the 
>> SFRP, you would use a filter perhaps like:
>>
>> ```
>>
>> :sort:string:caseinsensitive[[c_rank]addsuffix[tenure]addsuffix[birth_year]]
>> ```
>>
>> which would sort by rank, tenure, and birth year. You might need to 
>> zero-pad your fields.
>>
>> To create the table, the easiest way is to use standard HTML notation. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 2:09:56 PM UTC-7 Harry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a question about sort a list by multiple fields. I have a bunch 
>>> of entries of persons' bios. Each bio entry has a set of fields associated, 
>>> such as birth year, death year, birth date, tenure length etc.
>>>
>>> I want to create a list with some of those persons and sort it by 
>>> multiple fields, such as first by tenure length, if same tenure, then sort 
>>> by birth year, then death year etc.
>>>
>>> What I currently have is 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[c_status[incumbent]sort[c_rank]]">
>>> 
>>>
>>> This gives me a list that allows me to filter all incumbents but the 
>>> list can only be sorted by rank. I want to add multiple fields (e.g. V1, 
>>> V2, V3) behind the rank sort but it doesn't work. I'd appreciate it if any 
>>> one could share their insights on this.
>>>
>>> My second, maybe more unrealistic goal, is to transform the list to a 
>>> table. Its visual would ideally look like this (
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_state_leaders_by_age#Top_ten_since_1942),
>>>  
>>> i.e. I can put each field value of one entry in different cells of the same 
>>> row and the table will update itself
>>>
>>> The code I'm currently using is 
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[c_status[incumbent]sort[c_rank]]"> 
>>> <$link to=<>><$view field=birth_year/><$view 
>>> field=title/><$view field=birth_month/><$view field=c_rank/> 
>>>
>>> And the layout is a list of sorted entries with field values crudely 
>>> attached at the beginning and the end of each line. Basically I wonder if I 
>>> can separate those values into different cells.
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>>
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[tw5] Re: How to sort a list by multiple fields (and put it in a table)?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

To sort by multiple fields, you would use the sort filter run prefix 
.(SFRP) Inside the 
SFRP, you would use a filter perhaps like:

```
:sort:string:caseinsensitive[[c_rank]addsuffix[tenure]addsuffix[birth_year]]
```

which would sort by rank, tenure, and birth year. You might need to 
zero-pad your fields.

To create the table, the easiest way is to use standard HTML notation. 



On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 2:09:56 PM UTC-7 Harry wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a question about sort a list by multiple fields. I have a bunch of 
> entries of persons' bios. Each bio entry has a set of fields associated, 
> such as birth year, death year, birth date, tenure length etc.
>
> I want to create a list with some of those persons and sort it by multiple 
> fields, such as first by tenure length, if same tenure, then sort by birth 
> year, then death year etc.
>
> What I currently have is 
>
> <$list filter="[c_status[incumbent]sort[c_rank]]">
> 
>
> This gives me a list that allows me to filter all incumbents but the list 
> can only be sorted by rank. I want to add multiple fields (e.g. V1, V2, V3) 
> behind the rank sort but it doesn't work. I'd appreciate it if any one 
> could share their insights on this.
>
> My second, maybe more unrealistic goal, is to transform the list to a 
> table. Its visual would ideally look like this (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_state_leaders_by_age#Top_ten_since_1942),
>  
> i.e. I can put each field value of one entry in different cells of the same 
> row and the table will update itself
>
> The code I'm currently using is 
>
> <$list filter="[c_status[incumbent]sort[c_rank]]"> 
> <$link to=<>><$view field=birth_year/><$view 
> field=title/><$view field=birth_month/><$view field=c_rank/> 
>
> And the layout is a list of sorted entries with field values crudely 
> attached at the beginning and the end of each line. Basically I wonder if I 
> can separate those values into different cells.
>
> Many thanks!
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Anyone know how I can expand on filters?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

This is a case where it would be helpful to know *why* you're doing what 
you're doing.

You're currently using a prefix of a field to turn into a variable which 
then gets used to find a field value. But you could just extract the field 
directly:

```
{{{ 
[fields[]prefix[myfield]nth[1]]:map[<..currentTiddler>get]
 
}}}
```

Where nth[1] can be incremented for each field value you need.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:49:55 PM UTC-7 thyl...@gmail.com wrote:

> The other variables come from other fields. I tried to write something 
> like this:
> ```
> 
>   <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[PREFIX1]]" 
> variable="variable1">
> <$transclude field=<>/>
>   <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[PREFIX2]]" 
> variable="variable2">
> <$transclude field=<>/>
> <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[PREFIX3]]" 
> variable="variable3">
>   <$transclude field=<>/>
>   <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[PREFIX4]]" 
> variable="variable4">
> <$transclude field=<>/> 
>   
>  
>   
> 
>   
> 
> ```
> Variables 2, 3, and 4 are repeated each time the filters are used.
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:34:47 AM UTC-5 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 9:15:16 PM UTC+2 thyl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> ... 
>>
>>> What I really would like to do is something like this:
>>> ```
>>> 
>>>   <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[FIELDNAME]]" 
>>> variable="thisfield">
>>> <$transclude field=<>/>
>>> \variable 2
>>> \variable 3
>>> \variable 4 - also, one of these needs to be a link.
>>>
>>
>> Where should these variables come from? You can use $set, $let widget 
>> outside the UL or $list element  
>> -m
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Question about VisualEditor by BJ

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Does it really go down node_modules twice? What is the "." after the "4" ? 
It kind of looks like two path types, absolute and relative, are glued 
together. Maybe a screen print?



On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 4:27:04 AM UTC-7 nqc.t...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi guys, 
>
> I was jumping for joy when I managed to get the VisualEditor plugin to 
> load from CDN on the CKEditor v.4 website.
>
> However, I wanted to customize the editor so I proceeded with the 
> following steps on my DigitalOcean Ubuntu VPS:
>
> 1. npm install --save ckeditor4
>
>- This installed the ckeditor to file path 
>/root/node_modules/ckdeditor4
>
> 2. I followed BJ's plugin's instruction to modify $:/plugin/.../includelib 
> with this script:
>
>-  
>- Specifically 
> src="file:///root/node_modules/ckeditor4./node_modules/ckeditor4/ckeditor.js">
>- I also tried with just:
>   - 
>   file:///root/node_modules/ckeditor4./node_modules/ckeditor4/ckeditor.js
>
> When I saved and refreshed, the editor doesn't load.
>
> Any one have any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong? 
> @BJ
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Esperanto Translation (Alpha)

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On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 12:37:17 AM UTC-7 joshua...@gmail.com wrote:

> *There is a kind of symmetry that is lost if you have a sentence taking 
> about "TiddlyWiki" and then "Vikio"*
>
The thing is, except for the name "TiddlyWiki", the term Wiki is almost 
never used. Really, it's not so much a "Wiki" as it is its own thing.


 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Esperanto Translation (Alpha)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Pardonu,

Do other languages attempt to translate "TiddlyWiki" ? I would have thought 
that that was a special term that would stay itself in most languages.

Bonan Tagon!

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 7:11:30 AM UTC-7 joshua...@gmail.com wrote:

> So, for the past year or so I have been hacking away at an amateur 
> Esperanto translation.
>
> I'm not a professional translator so I'm sure there are many things wrong 
> with it. However, for the most part, I think it could be a significant 
> building block for a proper translation™.
>
> It's almost 700 tiddlers (of the 1000). I think at some point the 
> TiddlyWiki I was working in got updated which may result in some missing 
> translations etc. but the gist is there.
>
> For the most part, I am happy for people to make merge requests to add new 
> translations or make fixes. However, I think that most changes should be 
> discussed to get a consensus first. That way 1. we can be sure it's a 
> helpful change 2. we can update all instances of that change throughout the 
> language plug-in at once for consistency.
>
> Change suggestions and discussions can be facilitated by creating an issue 
> .
>
> If you notice anything really obviously wrong, feel free to make a merge 
> request fixing it. An example of something like that would be vestigial 
> English text accidentally left behind along side the Esperanto text.
>
> Although this MVP leaves a lot wanting, there are elements which I feel 
> strongly about to varying degrees.
>
> Actions should be imperatives. To date, many Esperanto UI translations, 
> translate actions in the infinitive form. This is likely because it's the 
> lexical form in many languages.
>
> However, take a tab called "Open". Either it's short for "Tiddlers that 
> are currently open" (adjective) or "Open the Tiddlers" (imperative -- 
> telling the computer what to do) or "The Open ones" (substantive). Why 
> would you translate it as "to open"? Context will tell which one of the 
> three former options it is.
>
> *Note*: As an aside, while we are talking about context in this specific 
> example, I didn't have much context while translating. This is because the 
> language snippets are basically just a list of context-less phrases. So I 
> had to guess which form a word should translate to.
> "Open" is an example where I picked wrong. If it isn't fixed by the time 
> you see this, you will notice that I accidentally translated it as 
> "Malfermu" (imperative) rather than "Malferma(j)" (adjective) or 
> "Malfermo(j)" (substantive). But the one thing that it shouldn't be 
> corrected to is infinitive.
>
> As a stylistic choice, I translated stand-alone nouns or noun phrases in 
> the nominative e.g. "Informo"  rather than "Informon". I find it neater 
> even though traditionally many stand-alone nouns are translated in the 
> accusative.
> To reconcile this idea, consider what the ending suggests about the elided 
> part of the sentence. It's not suggesting something wrong per se -- just 
> something different.
>
> I have tried to keep proper nouns and acronyms the same. The same goes for 
> tiddly-specific jargon like the word "tiddler". As a general rule of thumb, 
> if say,  "tiddler", is being used as a subject, it doesn't get an ending 
> and will be rendered as "tiddler". If it is doing something else in the 
> sentence, I will do something like this "tiddler-on" or "tiddler-ojn".
>
> One exception to not changing proper nouns was "Wiki". Since it already 
> has an Esperanto translation, "Wiki" becomes "Vikio" and "TiddlyWiki" 
> becomes "TiddlyVikio" in the same way "Wikipedia" is "Vikipedio 
> ".
>
> At the end of the day though, I couldn't help thinking with every decision 
> that someone somewhere would be upset with me. Alas, "traduttore, 
> traditore".
>
> Any, for now:
>
> The generated Tiddler is here 
> 
>
> And to see the project or to propose changes you need to go to the repo 
> .
>
> Warm regards.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Easiest way to convert a word or phrase to a tiddler link throughout the wiki?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The official plugin "Freelinks" will make any text that matches an existing 
tiddler into a link.

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:52 AM UTC-7 Petri M. wrote:

> What would be a good way of "linkifying" a phrase or a word throughout the 
> entire Wiki? In essense I would like to convert all specific phrases, e.g. 
> John Doe, into a link [[John Doe]]. I have done this previously manually or 
> by opening the wiki in a text editor and using search and replace but it is 
> kinda tedious and I would like to find a better way. Any ideas? 
>
> -PM
>

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[tw5] Re: Maybe I don't understand the typical use case of TiddlyWiki

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On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:10:37 AM UTC-8 albe...@gmail.com wrote:

> It would seen that web clipping would be a central function of web based 
> note taking software. There is one add-on TiddlyClip 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyClip%2520by%2520buggyjay.html
> Is 7 years old. The links on the above page don't work and it only works 
> on Firefox and seems to have fewer features than similar web clippers in 
> say, EverNote. 
>
>
I don't know what you mean by "the links don't work". They work fine. But 
that particular page isn't well maintained. It's true that most developers 
don't like to document, especially if they don't think anyone is paying 
attention.

A better place to go is the github 
repository: https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip

The developer continues to maintain the project and is very helpful  -- 
I've been corresponding with him most of the last week! It works with 
Chrome and is highly configurable. It's pretty hard to keep up with 
Evernote that has had millions of dollars at its disposal, but 
tiddlyclipper does a pretty good job. 

The surprising thing is how few people seem to reference tiddlyclip. You 
would indeed expect it to get more notice.

There's been some light discussion regarding bookmarks. My feeling is that 
it's very hard to compete with the bookmarking system that's already built 
into your browser.

What I do for my bookmarks in TW is to set a title, tags (including 
'Bookmark'), some descriptive text and a  url field. Then have a bookmark 
viewer template that displays the link. I have this as part of a tag-tree 
structure of which Bookmarks are just one part. But I use a variety of 
technologies (esp xBrowserSync) to manage bookmarks, so I don't have 
everything in one basket.

 

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[tw5] Re: List all images and delete them

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Be sure to make a backup! This can delete things! Also, if any of your 
images are external images, it can not delete the images on your hard drive.

Paste this into a tiddler and save. Delete the images you don't want.

```

<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]]:filter[get[type]prefix[image]]">
<$transclude mode=inline/>
<$button>Delete the image 
<> ? 
<$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />




```

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 7:00:18 AM UTC-8 heusmich wrote:

> Hi @all,
>
> Is there a possibility to list all images that I uploaded to my wiki?
> I want to remove some of them because I don´t need them anymore but don´t 
> know how I can see all uploaded images.
> Maybe there is some kind of code that I can put in a tiddler that will 
> show all images? Or another possibility?
>
> Best regards
> heusmich
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki + Google Spreasheets. I want to show you my newer finished work

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 8:40:55 AM UTC-8 Mat wrote:

> Siniy-Kit wrote:
>
>> Mat, as you know, I dont use any google api in my old and New script. I 
>> open google spreadsheet direcrly like external javascript file with 
>> callback.  This format name is JSONP 
>>
>
> Aha... @Mark is better suited to comment on this but I would guess then 
> that we used your code and scaled it down to the minimum and built from 
> there so it was no longer JSONP but instead JSON. I can't remember. We'll 
> see if Mark has any thoughts.
>
>
Yeah, that's what we're using. I think. Possibly Google hasn't shut it down 
in all regions, or possibly there is something else wrong with your (Mat's) 
particular use-case that has nothing to do with the status of JSONP.

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Re: [tw5] Use TiddlyWiki on a dedicated Linux root server

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On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:

>
> Once you have the cert and the key file, you can enhance the above command 
> by issuing:
>
> rclone serve webdav ~/public_html/wikis --htpasswd ~/.myhtpasswd.txt 
> --addr 0.0.0.0:8998 --cert ~/.tls/server.crt --key ~/.tls/key.pem
>
> This is more reasonable, although you'll notice that your browser 
> complains that the certificate is self-signed.
>
>
If you did this, could you access your file from outside your network -- 
assuming that  you know your network ip number? Or would network firewalls 
block it ?

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Re: [tw5] Major updates to Chromium native file system saver plugin

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

This seems like it would be a real game changer.  About 75% of the browser 
usage today is Chromium based. But it needs a bit of documentation from the 
user perspective.

What are consequences of using or not using indexDB? What are the 
consequences of using or not using the consistency check?

Thanks!

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:43:36 PM UTC-8 dyllon...@gmail.com wrote:

> The modal is required even if using IndexedDB. We need a button click both 
> to show the choose file/folder dialogue as well as getting write/read 
> permission if using IndexedDB. If you have a wiki mostly for reading, you 
> can click the "close" modal button to exit without setting up the file save 
> location/file permissions.
>
> Thank you very much for finding the bug with the consistency check! I 
> rewrote a chunk of that recently when adding the save trail. I have fixed 
> this and pushed the fix to GitHub and the example wiki (plugin version 
> 0.6.2). I tested it out by opening the example wiki in two tabs and it was 
> able to detect when the file had changed unexpectedly.
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 7:09:35 AM UTC-8 brian@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dyllon,
>>
>> I'm unable to get the hash comparison to work. Every time I save, I see a 
>> log message about there being no known hash:
>>
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:464 Saving with 
>> method 'autosave'
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:77 Input saver 
>> style [] is not recognized, using default of SingleFile.
>> $:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:52  saver-handler: Saving wiki with 
>> method autosave through saver slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:379 No previous 
>> known hash to compare against
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:413 Creating 
>> writable...
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:415 Created writable
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:418 Wrote data 
>> successfully
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:422 Closed writable
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:485 Successfully 
>> saved to file system
>>
>>
>> I never see the "Computing hash of text to save..." message in the log.
>>
>> Also, when I click the "Reset file save location" button, nothing in the 
>> indexdb gets deleted. The button doesn't seem to have any effect in spite 
>> of the log messages:
>>
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:495 Reseting file 
>> saver...
>> $:/plugins/slaymaker1907/browser-nativesaver/saver.js:506 Reset file save 
>> location.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 11:12 PM Brian Theado  wrote:
>>
>>> I tried it and it worked for me. Nice job. From both a file: url and a 
>>> localhost url I was able to save and reload. I was also able to save the 
>>> file handle in the indexdb. I didn't try any of the other new features.
>>>
>>> But even when I had the file handle saved in indexdb, the settings modal 
>>> still comes every reload.  I'm not sure I understand the intended workflow, 
>>> but it seems like it would be less confusing if the modal would only come 
>>> when the indexdb file handle is missing. Is that possible?
>>>
>>> Also, I notice you implemented the reset-file-saver message handler as a 
>>> TW widget. In other code (i.e. 
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/browser-storage/startup.js)
>>>  
>>> I've seen it implemented via a startup module. Any thoughts on that?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 6:11 PM Dyllon Gagnier  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is a plugin I've been working on for a while that allows you to 
 save your wiki to the file system without downloading a new file each time 
 and without requiring an external program besides the browser. It 
 currently 
 only works in Chromium (desktop) browsers such as Edge/Chrome since they 
 are the only browsers which support the necessary APIs (though others may 
 support it once the APIs are fully standardized).

 You can see File System Access API | Can I use... Support tables for 
 HTML5, CSS3, etc  for 
 browsers which will probably work. I have not tested it on Safari so if 
 you 
 try it out there, let me know how it goes.

 I've implemented several new major features for  
 slaymaker1907/TW5-browser-nativesaver 
 (github.com)  
 for 
 those who are interested.

- By default, the plugin now checks for file consistency issues 
(such as having the same wiki open in multiple tabs). 
- I've softened a bit on the security implications of saving file 
handles to IndexedDB when the wiki is served from file://. You can now 
avoid selecting the file each time via a setting.
- In addition to the default 

[tw5] Re: How to display an image from a data tiddler ?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

```

Unfortunately, you can't paste the image link wikitext together with the 
transclusion text that way.

What you can do is define a macro to do the pasting. If this were at the 
top of your tiddler:

\define image-there(name) [img [./files/$name$]]

(don't include the backticks)

then when you want the image you could invoke via the macrocall widget:

<$macrocall $name="image-there" name={{##Image}}/>

```


On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:16:56 AM UTC-8 arm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm searching how to display an image whose name is a value in a tiddler 
> data, but all my attempts do not succeed.
> I'm probably not using the right syntax... or what I want to do is not 
> possible?
> Can you help me?
>
> I use two tiddlers:
>
> A data tiddler (BD-Test1) which contains:
>
> Image: test.jpg
> Fullimage: ./files/test.jpg
> Value1: No
> Value2 : Yes
>
>
> A second tiddler (Defail-Test1) which contains:
>
> <$tiddler tiddler={{{ [is[current]removeprefix[Detail]addprefix[BD]] }}} >
>
> 
>
> [img [./files/{{##Image}}]]
>
> [img [{{##Fullimage}}]]
>
> !!Print values :
>
> 
>
> *Value1:  {{##Value1}}
> *Value2 :  {{##Value2}}
> 
>
> 
>
> [img [./files/test.jpg]]
>
>
> In advance, thanks for your help.
>
> Arnaud
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic keyboard shortcuts for outlining

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Streams acts a bit like org-mode out of the box (but no folding AFAIK).
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/streams/

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 7:05:21 PM UTC-8 dyllon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I was wondering if someone knew of an easy way to add orgmode like 
> keyboard shortcuts for making lists? Specifically I want to have one that 
> increases unordered list level, one to decrease it, and a command to create 
> a new item in the same list (I think alt+enter in orgmode assuming alt is 
> your meta key).
>
> My initial thought was to do a global keyboard shortcut with an action 
> along the lines of:
>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-text-operation" 
> param="prefix-lines" character="*" count="1" />
>
> I can kind of get it to work by created a JS module with 
> module-type texteditoroperation and then modify prefix-lines to do what I 
> want, but that seems very ham fisted.
>
> Would also be interested if anyone has created a plugin that either makes 
> it easy to implement this or does what I am trying to do.
>

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[tw5] Re: Dynamic class

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

```
We need to see more of your code.

Syntax like $something$ only works inside a macro. So what are the 
parameters of the macro? And how is the macro called? 

Likewise, a notation like <> represents a macro or variable, 
which has to be defined. If you have such a variable, how is it defined?

```
  

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:12 PM UTC-8 thomas.sch...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hello
> I try to make a tabs with a dynamic changeable class tc-vertical and 
> tc-horizontal.
> I tried many things the simplest are this two but they didn't work.
> The $tName$ works but class seems to use another render path.
>
> <$macrocall $name="tabs" tabsList="""[tag[$tName$]nsort[order]]""" 
> class="""$alignment$""" />
> <$macrocall $name="tabs" tabsList="""[tag[$tName$]nsort[order]]""" 
> class="""<>""" />
>
> This generate this HTML code in firefox:
>
> 
> or
> 
>
> Can anyone  help to get this working.
>
> Thanks
> Thomas
>

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[tw5] Re: TEST: Codes in Google Group and Talk

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Test 3 of name assignment

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:21:34 AM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:

> Test 2 of name assignment.
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 1:34:03 PM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Test of name assignment.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 10:07:28 PM UTC-8 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Symptom
>>>
>>> If you write codes in your post in Google Group, it may be displayed 
>>> wrongly when is fetched by Tiddlywiki Talk and is displayed in Talk Forum!
>>>
>>> It seems if one wraps codes in codeblock e.g. triple backticks, they 
>>> will be shown correctly in Talk!
>>>
>>> Example i
>>> Code wrapped in backticks
>>>
>>> ```
>>> <$vars thisDynamicFilter={{{ 
>>> [fields[]regexp[aaa]addprefixaddsuffix] [] +[join[ ]] }}}>
>>> <$list filter={{{ [] }}}>
>>> ''total:'' <>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ```
>>>
>>> Example ii
>>> Code is NOT wrapped in backticks
>>> <$vars thisDynamicFilter={{{ 
>>> [fields[]regexp[aaa]addprefixaddsuffix] [] +[join[ ]] }}}>
>>> <$list filter={{{ [] }}}>
>>> ''total:'' <>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Open GG and Talk and compare the result!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: TEST: Codes in Google Group and Talk

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Test 2 of name assignment.

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 1:34:03 PM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:

> Test of name assignment.
>
> On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 10:07:28 PM UTC-8 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Symptom
>>
>> If you write codes in your post in Google Group, it may be displayed 
>> wrongly when is fetched by Tiddlywiki Talk and is displayed in Talk Forum!
>>
>> It seems if one wraps codes in codeblock e.g. triple backticks, they will 
>> be shown correctly in Talk!
>>
>> Example i
>> Code wrapped in backticks
>>
>> ```
>> <$vars thisDynamicFilter={{{ 
>> [fields[]regexp[aaa]addprefixaddsuffix] [] +[join[ ]] }}}>
>> <$list filter={{{ [] }}}>
>> ''total:'' <>
>> 
>> 
>> ```
>>
>> Example ii
>> Code is NOT wrapped in backticks
>> <$vars thisDynamicFilter={{{ 
>> [fields[]regexp[aaa]addprefixaddsuffix] [] +[join[ ]] }}}>
>> <$list filter={{{ [] }}}>
>> ''total:'' <>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Open GG and Talk and compare the result!
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TEST: Codes in Google Group and Talk

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Test of name assignment.

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 10:07:28 PM UTC-8 Mohammad wrote:

> Symptom
>
> If you write codes in your post in Google Group, it may be displayed 
> wrongly when is fetched by Tiddlywiki Talk and is displayed in Talk Forum!
>
> It seems if one wraps codes in codeblock e.g. triple backticks, they will 
> be shown correctly in Talk!
>
> Example i
> Code wrapped in backticks
>
> ```
> <$vars thisDynamicFilter={{{ 
> [fields[]regexp[aaa]addprefixaddsuffix] [] +[join[ ]] }}}>
> <$list filter={{{ [] }}}>
> ''total:'' <>
> 
> 
> ```
>
> Example ii
> Code is NOT wrapped in backticks
> <$vars thisDynamicFilter={{{ 
> [fields[]regexp[aaa]addprefixaddsuffix] [] +[join[ ]] }}}>
> <$list filter={{{ [] }}}>
> ''total:'' <>
> 
> 
>
> Open GG and Talk and compare the result!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Create tiddler from Select widget

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I'm guessing that you want something like:

```
\define myactions()
<$list filter="[{!!status}match[vendor]]">
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle="test" />

\end

Status  <$select field="status" actions=<> >
Pending/Blocked
With Vendor
In House


```
Note that the macro (i.e. \define ... \end) needs to be at the top of your 
tiddler.

The macro is triggered inside the select widget in the "actions" attribute.
I'm assuming that you only wanted ONE of the selections to trigger an 
action. So the list widget in the macro checks to see if you've selected 
"vendor" as the status.

HTH

On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 9:21:01 AM UTC-8 
mohamed.e...@vodafone.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is is possible to incorporate a create new tiddler action with a select 
> widget
>
> so if i have something like this , 
>
> Status  <$select 
> field="status"…>
> Pending/Blocked
> With Vendor
> In House
>
> how can i make one of the choices trigger this 
>
> 
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="test" >
> 
>
> I found an example on the tiddlywiki website, but a bit more advanced to 
> be used for assigning different tags to a particular tiddler depending on 
> the choice you make in the drop down 
>
> but what i need is much simpler  , and not sure if its the same thing ,so 
> is it even possible?
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Freelink and non-english tiddler title

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Absolutely make a backup before unzipping, importing, saving, and reloading 
with the attached file. I am definitely out of my depth! You will probably 
need a modern (e.g. Chrome, Firefox) browser. This is not a universal 
solution (only adds Kannada), and there may be tweaks that need to be done 
(or actually undone) re case folding.

But it did appear to work – you can see the faint Kannada characters in 
this screen grab:

[image: freelinks-kannada.png]

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:40:07 PM UTC-8 keSh wrote:

> @Mark S.  Thanks,
>
> I'm using South Indian script Kannada: U+0C80–U+0CFF .
> How do I include unicode range in the regexpStr ?
>
> Browser is whatever engine comes with TiddlyDesktop on macOS. 
> I can change to a more suitable browser if needed to support this feature. 
>
>
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 1:08:15 PM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:
>
>>
>> What language or character set are you targeting ?
>>
>> It seems like a change to one line of code in the plugin can accommodate 
>> PMario's example. But not sure whether that would work for other languages.
>>  
>> var regexpStr = "(?<=^|[^a-zA-Zö])(?:" + reparts.join("|") + 
>> ")(?=$|[^a-zA-Zö])";
>>
>> Yes, it depends on the browser having look-ahead. 
>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:41 AM UTC-8 keSh wrote:
>>
>>> That is exactly my use case. Only difference is that tiddler content and 
>>> titles are not in English.
>>> Thanks for looking into the issue. 
>>>
>>> -kesh
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 2:44:54 AM UTC-8 PMario wrote:
>>>
 @Mark S. 
 The advantage of freelinks is in a context, where you can't modify the 
 content but you still want to have links. eg: Submitted homework tiddlers 
 from students. Adding links to those tiddlers would mean to modify the 
 original work in an unreasonable way. It wouldn't be the students work 
 anymore. 
 -m



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[tw5] Re: Saving Tiddlywiki

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The Palemoon archive was breached in 2018 and a virus installed on 
downloadables:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=22520

If you install one of the browsers, be sure to go through the gpg signature 
check.

Although I'm sure (hope) they fixed  it by now, why not just use a modern 
browser with Timimi? 

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 2:01:14 AM UTC-8 TheVicar wrote:

> Since Tiddlywiki Classic I am using a free Browser called "Palemoon" 
> Version 28.14 together with Tiddly Fox. This works perfect the only thing 
> is, you must not upgrade.
>
> Link to Palemoon Older Versions https://www.palemoon.org/archived.shtml

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[tw5] Re: Possible bug in list-links macro

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On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 8:50:34 AM UTC-8 reinhard..wrote:

> I have a hard time to come up with a use case why I would want to mix 
> (unknowingly or inadvertently) titles and captions in a list created with 
> "list-links". If I would want to look for captions, I would do so 
> explicitly in my filter expression. 
>
>
Because the title field serves as an ID field, a title field, and a system 
field, the titles are often long and/or unwieldy. Having a fall back 
display field (e.g. caption) makes a lot of sense in that context. The tabs 
macro also follow this structure, since tab titles often need to be much 
shorter than the descriptive title of the tab.
 

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[tw5] Re: Table of content - reference title of current tiddler

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You need to invoke the macro via the macrocall widget:

<$macrocall $name=toc-expandable tag=<> />

On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 11:06:41 AM UTC-8 ai.gene...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am using the TOC macro and would like to use the title of tiddler itself 
> as the tag. So something like:
> <>
>
> How do I reference the title of the tiddler itself inside the macro ?
> Thanks,
>
> Amir
>

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[tw5] Re: Twiddlywiki 5.2.1- Trouble With Importing Plugins

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If you don't have a save mechanism installed then when you click on "save" 
what gets saved is a downloaded version of your program. You have to open 
*that* downloaded copy (from your downloads) to see your newly installed 
plugin. 

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 4:49:01 PM UTC-8 timothy.wilh...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I open the Tiddlwiki in Firefox and import the plugins. I click save and 
> refresh. 
>
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 7:34:54 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> What save mechanism are you using?
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:32:38 PM UTC-8 timothy...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good evening,
>>>
>>> Attempted to import, for example, the tiddlymap plugin. I am using the 
>>> latest version of Firefox on Monterey. After following the instructions and 
>>> refreshing the page, the tiddlymap does not appear. I am not certain what 
>>> is going on. Any suggestions would be apprecated.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>  -tim
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Twiddlywiki 5.2.1- Trouble With Importing Plugins

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What save mechanism are you using?

On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:32:38 PM UTC-8 
timothy.wilh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good evening,
>
> Attempted to import, for example, the tiddlymap plugin. I am using the 
> latest version of Firefox on Monterey. After following the instructions and 
> refreshing the page, the tiddlymap does not appear. I am not certain what 
> is going on. Any suggestions would be apprecated.
>
> Kind regards,
>  -tim
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Freelink and non-english tiddler title

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What language or character set are you targeting ?

It seems like a change to one line of code in the plugin can accommodate 
PMario's example. But not sure whether that would work for other languages.
 
var regexpStr = "(?<=^|[^a-zA-Zö])(?:" + reparts.join("|") + 
")(?=$|[^a-zA-Zö])";

Yes, it depends on the browser having look-ahead. 
On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 10:07:41 AM UTC-8 keSh wrote:

> That is exactly my use case. Only difference is that tiddler content and 
> titles are not in English.
> Thanks for looking into the issue. 
>
> -kesh
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 2:44:54 AM UTC-8 PMario wrote:
>
>> @Mark S. 
>> The advantage of freelinks is in a context, where you can't modify the 
>> content but you still want to have links. eg: Submitted homework tiddlers 
>> from students. Adding links to those tiddlers would mean to modify the 
>> original work in an unreasonable way. It wouldn't be the students work 
>> anymore. 
>> -m
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Freelink and non-english tiddler title

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

With the link edit tool, it's pretty easy to insert the actual link to a 
tiddler.  *freelinks* depends on you matching an exact title, which can be 
difficult even with english titles. 

On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 9:55:18 AM UTC-7 keSh wrote:

> I'm desperately trying to get this to work. Non-english tiddler titles are 
> essential for my project. 
> I wonder if it will work with other browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox). I'm 
> not restricted to Safari or TiddlyDesktop.
>
> -keSh
>
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-7 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:59:35 PM UTC+2 keSh wrote:
>>
>> You may have already seen this discussion on stack overflow. 
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/a/60188132
>>> I don't know enough javascript to try it out.
>>>
>>
>> look behind is not supported by safari. 
>>
>> -m 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW5/Stroll cursive transclusion

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I think you must have your default tiddlers set up to retain story order. 
Re-open the sidebar, navigate to the settings. Under the info tab, basics 
tab, default tiddlers -- clear out the contents. Save and reload. Hopefully 
this will give you a clean slate to work with. You can go back into 
settings and reset "retain order" if that is useful. And maybe avoid the 
tiddler '$:/core/ui/PageTemplate/sidebar'. 

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 2:56:38 PM UTC-8 garnet...@gmail.com wrote:

> After reboots and such I am left with a persistent (though hidden on 
> start-up) '$:/core/ui/PageTemplate/sidebar' tiddler on the right sidestory
>
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-8 garnet robbie wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention, I am using Ubuntu 20.04. Firefox, Falkon and Chromium 
>> all display the same jumbled screens
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Random html tags appear in my wiki

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What version of TiddlyWiki ?

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 9:23:20 AM UTC-8 Hubert wrote:

> I've found the same issue today (both Tiddloid and Tiddloid Lite, latest 
> versions), Android 11 (not an issue on Android 8).
>
> The code appears to belong to the boot.js core tiddler and  I suspect it's 
> related to the encryption mechanism (though I'm not sure).
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>
> 1. Open an (encrypted) TiddlyWiki in Tiddloid or Tiddloid Lite (on Android 
> 11)
> 2. Save the wiki
> 3. Reopen the wiki
>
> The code appears "underneath" tiddler frame after the wiki is saved by 
> Tiddloid/Tiddloid Lite and then reopened. Once it's saved like this, the 
> code will show on any mobile or desktop browser, it appears "burned in" but 
> how much of the code is revealed depends on the height of the tiddler.
>
> Has anyone found a fix?
>
> I've opened an issue 
> on the 
> Tiddloid github page.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> [image: tiddloid_code_issue1.png][image: tiddloid_code_issue2.png]
> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 06:06:24 UTC+1 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:
>
>> My experience is also very similar to what David has described. Either 
>> TiddlyDesktop or Tiddloid could be causing the problem.
>>
>> But nothing seems to be broken. The wiki works perfectly otherwise.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 5:55:52 AM UTC+5:30 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I am not so sure how to help you but in the past I have seen random 
>>> tiddlers or their content transcluded when a filter is broken and the 
>>> result is some artifact. So if you can find the page template, or something 
>>> tagged $:/tags/BelowStory with a filter in it and fix the filter you may 
>>> stop it.
>>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 23:12:37 UTC+10 David Shaw wrote:
>>>
 I get the same sort of thing with both Tiddloid and Tiddloid Lite. I 
 suspect it is a problem with Tiddloid as I can get the code to disappear 
 if 
 I open it in either Tiddloid version, save and close it then open it in 
 the 
 other Tiddloid and save and close it, but this is only a very temporary 
 solution I'm afraid; the code comes back pretty quickly.

 David Shaw

 On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, 13:52 PMario,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Which version of TW do you use?
> Can you link to the Android app you are using?
>
> Did you install any new plugins, before you copied it over to the 
> phone?
>
> -mario
>
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[tw5] Re: unable to manually install plugins.. tDesktop, Beaker, Firefox..

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Since you're not using Chrome, you might see if 5.2.0 works. 

On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8 blaset...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Apologies if I've missed something obvious. I'm just getting on my feet 
> with TW.
>
> I'm unable to manually add plugins. I have working (writeable) copies of 
> 'Empty' TD5.21 on TiddlyDesktop, Beaker, and Firefox for OS X 10.15.17. 
> I'll drag the link to the plugin into TW,  (e.g. '
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex 
> '
>  
> ) the green import banner pops up, then the Import Tiddler opens, and I hit 
> import. That creates a new Tiddler with a hyperlink to the plugin. But 
> thats it. No new plugins are installed. Tested on all 3 platforms.
>
> I've verbatim replicated every instructional or tutorial I can find, and 
> it seems like its really as simple as dragging to import. But my outcome is 
> always the same, nothing happens after importing.
>
> For example, this video tutorial literally spells it out step by step, 
> without room for error. And despite replicating the exact process (in all 3 
> platform instances), it never takes.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O079F6rDKLk
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Blase
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Set Browser Tab title different from TW Title?

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This is a kludge, but might work well enough. My assumption is that to 
actually change the title tab would require changing core code. So instead, 
this approach uses CSS to change the title and sub-title displayed on the 
page, while retaining the configured title for the title tab.

Put your short title into the control panel title field. You will need at 
least one character in the sub-title field too.

Put the following a tiddler and tag $:/tags/Stylesheet .

.tc-site-title {
visibility: hidden;
position: relative;
margin-bottom: 60% ;
}
.tc-site-title:after {
 visibility: visible;
 position: absolute;
top: 0;
left: 0;
content: "The South-Eastern Canadian Women's Association Left-Handed Doily 
Lint Museum " ;
 }
.tc-site-subtitle {
 visibility: hidden;
position: relative;
}
.tc-site-subtitle:after {
 visibility: visible;
 position: absolute;
top: 0;
left: 0;
content: "for the Benefit of the Children" ;
 }

Change the "content:" attributes to your preferred titles. Change the 
margin-bottom: 60% to whatever percent works with your actual text.

This is what it looks like on my system:

[image: lint-mus.png]
On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 9:14:20 AM UTC-8 taale...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is that possible? If so how?
>
> For example, say the name of the TW is  "The South-Eastern Canadian 
> Women's Association Left-Handed Doily Lint Museum for the Benefit of the 
> Children".
>
> I want to keep that title on the wiki, but in the browser's tab, I just 
> want "Lint Mus." - how do I do that?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: GitHub saving individual tiddlers?

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Part of the security structure of the browser is limited access to the file 
system. So basically you can only export/save one file at a time from 
within a browser page.

A workaround would be to export your sorted tiddlers as a JSON file. This 
should be 'diffable' .

Another possibility is to use the zip plugin to save a single zipped file. 
Then you could have a repeating process on the outside that locates the zip 
file, unzips, adds, commits, pushes.

On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 7:03:11 AM UTC-8 willw wrote:

> Does anyone have a solution for this yet?
>
> I'm looking for a way to save tiddlywiki as individual tiddlers directly 
> to git and GitHub (where the built-in GitHub saver saves the single-file 
> tiddlywiki to a git service).
>
> The single-file tiddlywiki doesn't track well in git, with big diffs for 
> small core changes. It's also hard to trace back which tiddlers were 
> changed, and autosave seems to push empty commits.
>
> Locally, the node.js version could be made to save to a git repo, perhaps 
> using a library like https://isomorphic-git.org, with changes staged 
> locally until a 'save' commits them. Seems like it could work from 
> single-file too, via browser storage?
>
> I'm considering a hacky workaround for now; using the single file GitHub 
> saver to trigger a GitHub action which runs node.js tiddlywiki to explode 
> out the tiddlers and commit them. The single-file commit can be removed if 
> used solely for saving. Then it'd be handy to have the opposite action too 
> -> build a single-file from the tiddlers.
>
> This'd be less needed if the single-file tiddlywiki format was more 
> diff-able, so maybe that's an option too.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.2.0 + CouchDB ?

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That was it for me too. In the space of a month, it went from this 
friendly, reasonably understandable thing, to this borg-like 
mega-corporation thing. HAL*  doesn't really cater to "little people" -- 
that's not their mission statement.
 
* Advance each letter one step
On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 4:09:23 AM UTC-8 swilson...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> @Jan
> I was quite keen on noteself, had it set up and everything but then after 
> the takeover, Couch DB moved past my tolerance for banging my head against 
> software and it killed it for me.  I suspect that was true for others.
>
> On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 20:06:16 UTC cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That would be very cool.
>>
>> *Comments*
>>
>> Other than technical coolness, what would be the advantage of it?  From 
>> just a user perspective (i.e. forget technical stuff) what reason would I 
>> have to want that?
>>
>> You're talking technological "wowness", but bring it back to "in the 
>> trenches" "daily usage" terms for a typical user: why should he/she care?
>>
>> To investigate how people use TiddlyWiki, what choices they make, and 
>> why,  you will get more responses over at TiddlyTalk.  It has become the 
>> fan-favourite.
>>
>> Me, I much prefer Google Groups, so I am very happy to reply here:
>>
>> *My use cases*
>>
>> *Personal TiddlyWiki*
>>
>> I store all of my personal TiddlyWiki instances on Google Drive.  
>> TiddlyWiki aside, if I have no access to the internet, any computer is 
>> useless to me.
>>
>> However, since I have offline access to my files on Google Drive, my 
>> Chromebook isn't quite the brick folk would think it is ...
>>
>> Most important to me is to have access to all of my things in Google 
>> Drive from any connected device anywhere.
>>
>> Having my TiddlyWiki instances tied to databases of a web browser on some 
>> machine?  Nope, not for me.  Unless whatever you come up with has auto-syn 
>> with the cloud, I won't be using it.
>>
>> A big draw to single-file TiddlyWiki: 10 years from now, however long a 
>> TiddlyWiki has gathered dust, I can open it and everything will be right 
>> thre.
>>
>> *Multi-User TiddlyWik*
>>
>> In this case, TiddlyWiki instances I've setup in virtual machines using 
>> cloud services.
>>
>> So that I can take advantage of all the goodness that is nodejs 
>> TiddlyWiki.  All of them tiddlers sitting in individual text files, right 
>> where I want them.
>>
>> Although what you describe would be, I think, of no interest to me here, 
>> the ability to have these TiddlyWiki instances able to access databases on 
>> these servers, so that the TiddlyWiki instances could have access to data 
>> coming from other systems?  That would get my attention.
>>
>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-4 V wrote:
>>
>>> Hi. 
>>>
>>> I have been following the TW project for years and I am still very 
>>> surprised that the community continues to actively support super strange, 
>>> inconvenient and limited ways of saving and synchronizing – but at the same 
>>> time all developments using normal technologies on which synchronization 
>>> could be easy, seamless and safe, such as CouchDB, are not supported in 
>>> official release and abandoned by community.
>>>
>>> Especially considering the new data storage format in JSON, with which 
>>> synchronization with object databases has never been easier. It's even 
>>> easier than maintaining the current server solution on files, which in 
>>> principle cannot work offline, unlike a solution based on 
>>> IndexedDB+PouchDB→CouchDB or IndexedDB→Mongo/Posrgres.
>>>
>>> I have used PouchDB adapter from NoteSelf, but it's outdated and 
>>> contains a lot of bugs. Other solutions were outdated even earlier.
>>>
>>> If IndexedDB/CouchDB solution were supported out of the box, there would 
>>> be no reason at all to use paid solutions like Evernote or Notion for 
>>> personal notes.
>>>
>>> Based on discussions & repo, it seems that no movement in this direction 
>>> is planned.
>>>
>>> I have only one question – why? 
>>> Is it really more convenient for everyone to save files in Dropbox using 
>>> crutches, constantly losing changes between devices and merging conflicts? 
>>>
>>> Are these some kind of ideological reasons?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Shortcuts

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Have you seen this 
 ?

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:37:45 AM UTC-8 jd@gmail.com wrote:

> Does anyone know a way to add your own custom shortcut into the shortcut 
> list from the control panel.  Any advice for such or alternative would be 
> much appreciated.
>
> Joe
>

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[tw5] Re: Creating custom excise dropdown

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It looks like you're doing well. It might help if you explained what you 
want your new excise to do. It might not require a new js script. 

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:23:10 PM UTC-8 davou...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to create a custom excise dropdown. I'd rather not modify 
> anything related to core. So I cloned:
>
>- $:/core/ui/EditorToolbar/excise-dropdown to 
>$:/davout/ui/EditorToolbar/excise-dropdown
>   - Came up with:
>- $:/core/ui/EditorToolbar/excise to $:/davout/ui/EditorToolbar/excise
>   - changed dropdown to $:/davout/ui/EditorToolbar/excise-dropdown
>- $:/core/modules/editor/operations/text/excise.js to $:/
>davout/modules/editor/operations/text/excise.js
>
> A few questions. (BTW, I'm using 5.2.0)
>
>1. Am I going about this the right way? If this is even possible?
>2. How can get my button to use my 
> $:/davout/modules/editor/operations/text/excise.js 
>rather than the default  $:/
>core/modules/editor/operations/text/excise.js 
>3. In  $:/core/ui/EditorToolbar/excise-dropdown what is $config-title$ 
>referring to?
>
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: Conditional Reveal based on whether tiddler title shows up in fields of other tiddlers

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Your "male" line has an error. There is a missing square bracket on the end:

<$list filter="[all[current]gender[male]">

Since you don't have a label that says "mother" or "father", I don't know 
why you have two gender loops.

You should be able to add a filter operator to the gender list loop 

<$vars haschild="[all[tiddlers]field:father{!!title}limit[1]]">
<$list filter="[all[current]gender[male]filter]">
  
''Children''
<>
  



On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 3:17:23 AM UTC-8 merry.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Okay, so the context for this is that I have, or will have, a database of 
> many, many interrelated individuals. Each of those individuals has a 
> 'mother' and a 'father'. I can currently get tiddlywiki to display lists of 
> children each individual has, based on their name showing up in the mother 
> or father field of another tiddler. What I can't figure out how to do is 
> get the 'Children' row of the table not to show when an individual has no 
> children. 
>
> For other fields I can do something like this:
> <$list filter="[all[current]has[secondaryeducation]]">
>   
> ''Secondary Education''
> <$link to={{!!secondaryeducation}} />
>   
>
> When an individual doesn't have the secondaryeducation field, the row 
> doesn't show up in the sidebox.
>
> My current set up for listing children looks like this
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]gender[female]]">
>   
> ''Children''
> <>
>   
> <$list filter="[all[current]gender[male]">
>   
> ''Children''
> <>
>   
> <$list filter="[all[current]has[id]]">
>
> If the individual is female, it looks for instances of the title of the 
> individuals tiddler being listed as the mother in other tiddlers. Vice 
> versa for males. 
>
> I've fiddled with lots of widgets. I think the problem is that this syntax 
> [field:father{!!title}] doesn't play well...
>
> Also, if you have better alternative methods of achieving this goal, I'm 
> all ears! I know filling in a 'Children' field, would solve this problem, 
> but I want to cut manual data input to a minimum, and in principle all 
> biological familial relationships (siblings, aunts, grandparents...etc.) 
> can be expressed in mother-child, and father-child relationships.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: $action-setfield "spaced name field"=how?

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Yes, I wish it was in bold red text instead of grayed out text. I would not 
deliberately post to the wrong thread. Will be reposting here and deleting 
there.

On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 12:07:01 AM UTC-7 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 11:07:05 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
>
>> How did you manage to reply in that "read only" thread? And I cannot?
>>
>
> TiddlyTalk "admins" (Boris, Jeremy, Mario, Mark, and myself) can post 
> replies to a read-only category.
>
> In principle, admins should always make sure that we post our replies to 
> the GoogleGroup rather than the TiddlyTalk category so that we can be sure 
> that the original poster will see the response even if they don't use 
> TiddlyTalk.
>
> However, since TiddlyTalk doesn't restrict posts by admins, it's easy to 
> forget that the category is "read only" and so sometimes we post directly 
> to TiddlyTalk by mistake.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: $action-setfield "spaced name field"=how?

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Don't forget that the action-setfield widget can also use $ attributes.

`<$action-setfield $field="foo bar" $value="baz"/>`

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[tw5] Re: Help request: my TiddlySaver stopped working

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Under "Settings ... Advanced" what are your download settings?

You might consider trying Timimi, which does't have the download directory 
limitation.

On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:25:45 AM UTC-7 Faber wrote:

> After month of daily use, TiddlySaver stopped working with Vivaldi browser 
> and Edge too. 
>
> Perhaps due to some update, but can't find way to get working again.
>
> I have:
> - checked settings in Vivaldi "Ask where to save each file" "off"
> - checked correct "tiddlywikilocations" inside "downloads" directory
> - checked "developer mode" also enabled
> - deleted extension
> - reinstalled extension
> - checked also the "file editing permission" for site "file:/" in Vivaldi 
> settings... here is only "ask" or "block", maybe problem is here.
>
> BTW no way, saving the "Automatic save not possible as your TW is not 
> within the controlled directory". After month of use.
>
> Started to use TiddlyDesktop but unfurtunately is lacking CTRL+F to find 
> in pages, and i need this.
>
> So what else can I do to get TiddlySaver to work again?
>
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: PIN/Lock individual tiddler?

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AFAIK, this is the only project offering single tiddler encryption:

https://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-EncryptTiddlerPlugin/

But it's still just one pin for the whole TW. No idea if it works with 
5.2.0.


On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 10:31:57 AM UTC-7 jd@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, 
>
> Is there a way to set a PIN or Lock with some type of password for each 
> INDIVIDUAL tiddler. I know you can set upt PIN for each Tiddlywiki file but 
> is there one at the tiddler level?
>
> Joe
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Spell checking in Linux TiddlyDesktop

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My guess is that chromium can't find hunspell. Possibly it's set up 
differently in Fedora.

Can you launch hunspell from the command line ? (ctl-c to break out)

If you launch tiddlydesktop from the command line, are there any errors or 
warnings re spellchecker?

Good luck!

On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 11:25:31 AM UTC-7 lisa.g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Isn't that the way of things, I'm constantly forgetting the steps I took 
> on things and hoping I don't have to repeat it.
>
> Hunspell either came in Fedora or got sucked in by something along the way.
>
> The profile pic is me sailing, though not on my current boat.
>
> Lisa
> On 10/17/21 11:19, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote:
>
> I've forgotten all the steps I've taken. 
>
> Whatever package manager Fedora uses, check if you have "Hunspell" 
> installed. Apparently Electron apps use Hunspell by default, so if you have 
> that installed TD might come to life (it might take a reboot).
>
> P.S. Is that a *bike* in your avatar?
>
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 10:57:20 AM UTC-7 lisa.g...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the suggestions. I installed Chrome, and while it did spell 
>> check with in Chrome itself (similar to Firefox), it didn't improve things 
>> on the TD front. Next I downgraded to 14 and got the same results, no 
>> spelling error flagging.
>>
>> Lisa
>> On 10/16/21 15:07, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote:
>>
>> Works on my Linux xubuntu TD  v14. 
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> Sometimes it's better to get the release at the release point (e.g. v14), 
>> rather than a pre-release which might be in an indeterminate state.
>>
>> Possibly it "borrows" from the local Chrome installation. Does 
>> spell-check work when you run chrome or chromium ?
>>
>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:34:31 PM UTC-7 lisa.g...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I moved my tablet from Windows to Linux (Fedora) and everything is 
>>> working smoothly, with the exception of spell checking when editing within 
>>> TiddlyDesktop itself (V15 prelease 2). Spell checking while editing the 
>>> same wiki in Firefox works fine and it worked in TD, same wiki, in WIndows 
>>> and MacOS.
>>>
>>> Is there anything I need to do special to get this to work on Fedora?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>>
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[tw5] Re: External links on usb

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There are different ways to handle this. If we're talking images, for 
instance, the path to your USB might be different on different machines. So 
being able to change the path in just one place is handy. And being able 
specify different types of image sources is also handy. For instance, you 
might have some sources that are on a remote url, some on a usb, and some 
on CDROM.

Here's one possible macro 

\define img(devtype basename)
<$vars devpath={{{[prefix[ImagePath]suffix[-$devtype$]limit[1]get[text]]}}}>
<$image source={{{[addsuffix<__basename__>]}}} />

\end

Then if you have your configuration tiddlers in the format ImagePath- 
where the text has a path like (example ImagePath-files):

./files/

Then you can invoke your image like this

<>

Or, back to your usb, you might have a config tiddler ImagePath-usb with 
text D:\mydirectory\myimages\ and invoke like

<>

Then when on a different machine, you can change the contents of 
ImagePath-usb to Z:\mydirectory\myimages\ .

I have an idea for using image tiddlers (e.g. with _canonical_uri) . The 
advantage of image tiddlers is that if you change the name of a tiddler, 
you can use relink to change tiddler transclusion automatically. But that's 
all for now.


On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:10:22 AM UTC-7 maruadv...@gmail.com 
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> Is there a way to have external links that are in a sense 'portable'? 
>
> I want to store the TW file and the external reference material on a usb 
> drive for access.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Spell checking in Linux TiddlyDesktop

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I've forgotten all the steps I've taken.

Whatever package manager Fedora uses, check if you have "Hunspell" 
installed. Apparently Electron apps use Hunspell by default, so if you have 
that installed TD might come to life (it might take a reboot).

P.S. Is that a *bike* in your avatar?

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> Thanks for the suggestions. I installed Chrome, and while it did spell 
> check with in Chrome itself (similar to Firefox), it didn't improve things 
> on the TD front. Next I downgraded to 14 and got the same results, no 
> spelling error flagging.
>
> Lisa
> On 10/16/21 15:07, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote:
>
> Works on my Linux xubuntu TD  v14. 
>
> Thoughts.
>
> Sometimes it's better to get the release at the release point (e.g. v14), 
> rather than a pre-release which might be in an indeterminate state.
>
> Possibly it "borrows" from the local Chrome installation. Does spell-check 
> work when you run chrome or chromium ?
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:34:31 PM UTC-7 lisa.g...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I moved my tablet from Windows to Linux (Fedora) and everything is 
>> working smoothly, with the exception of spell checking when editing within 
>> TiddlyDesktop itself (V15 prelease 2). Spell checking while editing the 
>> same wiki in Firefox works fine and it worked in TD, same wiki, in WIndows 
>> and MacOS.
>>
>> Is there anything I need to do special to get this to work on Fedora?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
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[tw5] Re: Spell checking in Linux TiddlyDesktop

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Works on my Linux xubuntu TD  v14.

Thoughts.

Sometimes it's better to get the release at the release point (e.g. v14), 
rather than a pre-release which might be in an indeterminate state.

Possibly it "borrows" from the local Chrome installation. Does spell-check 
work when you run chrome or chromium ?

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:34:31 PM UTC-7 lisa.g...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I moved my tablet from Windows to Linux (Fedora) and everything is working 
> smoothly, with the exception of spell checking when editing within 
> TiddlyDesktop itself (V15 prelease 2). Spell checking while editing the 
> same wiki in Firefox works fine and it worked in TD, same wiki, in WIndows 
> and MacOS.
>
> Is there anything I need to do special to get this to work on Fedora?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Lisa
>

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[tw5] Re: searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

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On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

>
> Aside:
>
> Some filter operators filter an existing title list. Others generate lists 
> without input. Filter operator "list" and "title" are in the latter 
> category.
>
>>

Also, filter operator *tag* can function in either manner, depending on 
context. 

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[tw5] Re: searching for an item in a list stored as a tiddler's field

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This should do what you literally asked for ...

<$set name="my_tiddler" value="tiddler-X">
<$list filter="[tag[mytag]contains:my_tiddlers_list]" >
Tiddler <> has <> in field my_tiddlers_list 




Aside:

Some filter operators filter an existing title list. Others generate lists 
without input. Filter operator "list" and "title" are in the latter 
category.
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:35:00 AM UTC-7 CarloGgi wrote:

> it turns out that in any filter written as
>
>  filter="[[whatever_selection_here]title[xyzxyz]]"
>
> all the selection preceding the step with tiddler's title is dropped and 
> only that title is retained and passed on to the next step -if there is 
> any. (And this wheter any xyzxyz tiddler exists or not by the way).
>
> so for example 
>
>  filter="[tag[bar]title[foo]]"
>
> outputs foo, even if tiddler foo has no 'bar' tag at all, and even if 
> tiddler foo doesn't exist. This explains the apparently strange behavior 
> above, and it is also quite counter-intuitive (one would intuitively expect 
> the filter to output all the tiddlers -zero or one actually- that match 
> title 'foo' and are tagged 'bar') so this behavior would deserve to be  
> highlighted strongly in the documentation IMHO.
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 7:01:53 PM UTC+3 CarloGgi wrote:
>
>> with reference to my previous post, no need to say neither this code 
>> works for the inner filter:
>> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>> ...
>>filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]">
>>
>> nor this:
>>
>> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>> ...
>>filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}]]">
>>
>> they both always output the value of <>, whether it was 
>> included in my_tiddlers_list or not.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+3 CarloGgi wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo again,
>>> I have some tiddlers with a special field, call it 'my_tiddlers_list' 
>>> that stores, not hard to guess, a list of other tiddlers. By 'list' I mean 
>>> to say the result of an <$action-listops xxx subfilter> widget, which is 
>>> indeed some 'collection' of items separated by whitespace. I don't know if 
>>> that's a 'list' in the sense of a type of variable (does TW have any 
>>> variable types after all? It seems it doesn't).
>>> Anyway, how do I go to check if a given tiddler 'tiddler-X' is included 
>>> in the list of tiddlers stored into field 'my_tiddlers_list' of a[ny] 
>>> tiddler? When I transclude the reference to 'my_tiddlers_list' as in 
>>> {{!!my_tiddlers_list}}what i get is a unique 'string'. How do I split it up 
>>> into its single member items? And once split the string into tokens (its 
>>> member items), ho do I perform the comparison check?
>>>
>>> So far, I came up with this very beginner-level code (I'm sure there are 
>>> more elegant, concise ways to write it, merging the two filters into a 
>>> single one and getting rid of one of the <$list> cycles) that tries to 
>>> exploit 'enlist' operator. I leave some parts as 'pseudocode' because I 
>>> don't know how to write them:
>>>
>>> <$set name='my_tiddler' value='tiddler-X'>
>>>
>>> <$list  filter="[tag[mytag]has:field[my_tiddlers_list]]" >
>>><$list 
>>> filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}canIDoTheComparisonHere?]">
>>> orShallICompareHere? AndIfSo,How?
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> but have no clue if I'm going the right way and how to do the comparison 
>>> check.
>>>
>>> Writing inner filter as filter="[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}[tiddler-X]]" 
>>> doesn't work, nor does it work writing it as 
>>> filter="[[enlist{!!my_tiddlers_list}][tiddler-X]]". In both cases I get 
>>> <> valued as tiddler-X, regardless if it is included in 
>>> my_tiddlers_list's list or not. For God's sake: why? And how do I write the 
>>> check? 
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping,
>>> CG
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to increment a variable in a list

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I don't believe that you can increment a variable that way. You might be 
able to using some sort of recursive function.

But if you're using 5.2.0, you now have the *counter* attribute, so don't 
need those extra steps:

<$vars projs_list="A B C">
<$list filter="[enlist]" variable ="proj_name_val" 
counter="vals_rep" >
 <> <$checkbox tiddler="projs_selection" 
index=<>  checked=<>>  




On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 11:03:11 AM UTC-7 vpl wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm blocking on how to increment a counter into a list
> I have the following code which display a list of checkbox
>
> I need to set the index in the DataTiddler but in the below example the 
> <> remains to  ..
> Anyone who has an idea why it's not working ?
>
> Thanks for your help
> Regards
>
> <$list filter="[enlist]" variable ="proj_name_val">
> <$vars  vals_rep ={{{ [add[1]]   }}}>
> <>
>  <> <$checkbox tiddler="projs_selection" 
> index=<>  checked=<>>  
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think the length is up to you, depending on your own interpretation of 
"semantic unit"

See [Philosophy of 
Tiddlers](https://tiddlywiki.com/#Philosophy%20of%20Tiddlers)

In terms of pragmatics, there have been multiple approaches to how to deal 
with long tiddlers. One of the current approaches is discussed in this  
[thread](https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/section-editor-plugin-first-stable-release/1060)

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[tw5] Re: Sharing a hosted wiki with other Contributors

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There is no recognized, safe way to use a TW on the open internet for 
multi-user operation.

If you use a host like tiddlyhost, then you could share by taking turns, 
with a gentleman’s (person’s) agreement when your operating times are and 
what your tiddler naming scheme will be. You will need to remember to 
reload whenever you start a new session in case there have been updates.

Another approach is to both have your own version of an initial TW file. 
Once again agree on a tiddler naming scheme. Then periodically you can pull 
new entries from the friends’ TW and your friend can periodically pull your 
new entries from yours. TW’s list filters makes it pretty easy to find, 
say, all entries that start with “MAS” and were made in the last 3 days. 
You can list them, and then drag them over one by one or download in a JSON 
file and import.


On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 5:13:38 PM UTC-7 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> It might be safer for your remain solo editor of the TiddlyWiki, and have 
> content that is multi-editor kept on Google Drive (Docs, Sheets, Slides, 
> Drawings), because those support simultaneous/collaborative editing really 
> well.
>
> Say you have a TiddlyWiki tiddler about Blender.  Create a related Google 
> Doc (where everybody can put in information about blender, and add comments 
> related to whatever) and embed it in your tiddler.
>
> Now your TiddlyWiki has content that makes sense there, but also acts as a 
> portal to content that maybe makes more sense somewhere else (for 
> simultaneous/collaborative editing and/or whatever else?
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 12:18:05 PM UTC-3 radiant...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> So I understand that I can open access to wikis by turning them public. 
>> But I wanted to figure out how to give some other logged in users the 
>> permission to add and or edit tiddlers in a wiki. For context, I have a 
>> friend whose learning 3d modelling with blender and I wanna get started 
>> with 2d digital art and I wanna set up a shared wiki so we can share what 
>> we learn and what we made in an organized way. (Don't worry about file 
>> size, we'll be using a shared drive and share links to that instead of 
>> putting it on the wiki)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Editing Drafts from JavaScript

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It sounds like you would like to edit javascript in a mode similar to a 
code editor.

You can use the code mirror plugin and the javascript for codemirror plugin 
to edit javascript text.

You can get the plugins from the stand-alone TW by going to 

control panel (cog wheel) --> plugins (tab) --> official plugins (button)

Search for codemirror and javascript .

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:46:54 PM UTC-7 Pekka wrote:

> How can Drafts be edited with JavaScript? 
>
> I would like to parse the text in a draft according to more complicated 
> rules than what is currently possible with existing widgets, e.g. 
> tm-edit-text-operation. 
>
> I have tried *this.wiki.setText(...)*, but it doesn't work. 
>
> What would be the easiest way to change the text field in a Draft Tiddler 
> according to arbitrary rules?
>
>
> Pekka
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatically generate static website in Node

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

One of the advantages of node is that it only needs to write tiddlers that 
have changed, rather than the entire TW file. If you "published" a TW 
automatically, you would undermine this feature.

You can create a standalone any time you want just by clicking on the save 
button and picking the appropriate save option and location.

If you want to do it the other way, push your tiddlers to GitHub and then 
automatically publish a page to GH pages, then Saq has a clever technique 
for you to use:

https://github.com/saqimtiaz/TW5-github-actions-example

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 10:35:59 AM UTC-7 rikagol...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi All!
>
> I am using NodeJS right now to auto save Tiddlers. I love it!
>
> I expected that a static website (index.html) would get built 
> automatically on save, but that's not happening. What's an easy way to 
> automatically build a static website on each autosave? (I'm thinking ahead 
> to when I will host my site on Github). 
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to make the templates which can show it's own info not just title?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The {{thing}} *is* the transclusion. 

But it sounds like you want to change the color of a tiddler based on some 
criteria. If your criteria is a tag, for instance, than the easy way to do 
this is with a stylesheet.

For instance, say you have tiddlers tagged "Yellow".

Then make a tiddler and tag it $:/tags/Stylesheet and put this content in 
it:

[data-tags*="Yellow"].tc-tiddler-frame  {
background-color: yellow ;
}

Save the tiddler.

Now all your tiddlers tagged "Yellow" will have a yellow frame. This is the 
entire frame, and not just the body which is just the text part. The actual 
body is identified as .tc-tiddler-body 

In general, real templates are used to *add* display functionality to 
tiddlers. They don't *change* the existing way the text is presented. There 
are many things that can be accomplished just with stylesheets and CSS.

HTH

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:45:02 AM UTC-7 imleg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sorry I can't get what your meaning, I copied your code to my tw, nothing 
> happened, 
> what I want is a template which can change the background color of the  
> Transclusion. 
>
> I check the  link  
> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Transclusion%2520with%2520Templates.html 
>
> which give a example 
> ```
> @@background-color:yellow;
> {{!!title}}
> @@
> ```
>
> {!!title} will show the title literaly. But I need the body of the tiddler 
> not title how to set it?
>
> I don't know the meaning of this code. It seems not like a template
>
> \define test()
> This is a test
> \end
>
> <>
>
> <$view >
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 7:39:06 PM UTC+8 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Try something like this: 
>>
>> \define test()
>> This is a test
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> <$view >
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:14:04 AM UTC+2 imleg...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I read the page 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Transclusion%2520with%2520Templates.html
>>>
>>> which tell me how to make the template of the Transclusion Which I think 
>>> is great.
>>>
>>> But I don't know how to make the template to show it's own info.
>>>
>>> If I use the "{{}}" in the template tiddler I will get a recursive 
>>> error. 
>>>
>>> {{!!title}} works fine but I rarely use it. 
>>>
>>> This will get a recursive error.
>>> ```
>>> @@background-color:yellow;
>>> {{}}
>>> @@
>>> ```
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Count[], sum[] etc. in nested lists?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Oh! I just remembered. You might be able to do it in one go with the new 
*reduce* operator. So, once again, some data would be helpful.

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 2:18:59 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

> This is trickier than it looks, because of the binary nature of the output 
> from days.
>
> One way to handle it might be to set up a recursive routine. Recursive 
> routines can add numbers. But it's really messy.
>
> Another way is to put the entire nested listed set into a text field of a 
> wikify widget. Then render and enlist the output. Sometimes there are 
> additional complications if your output tiddlers (tasks) have spaces in 
> them.
>
> This is too much to pursue on my own without test data. 
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Count[], sum[] etc. in nested lists?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

This is trickier than it looks, because of the binary nature of the output 
from days.

One way to handle it might be to set up a recursive routine. Recursive 
routines can add numbers. But it's really messy.

Another way is to put the entire nested listed set into a text field of a 
wikify widget. Then render and enlist the output. Sometimes there are 
additional complications if your output tiddlers (tasks) have spaces in 
them.

This is too much to pursue on my own without test data. 

Good luck!


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Re: [tw5] Re: Installing plugins on node.js installation

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 11:45:56 PM UTC-7 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

> That is a relief, Mark.
>
> But although I have not installed any *official* plugin myself, the 
> following plugins are installed already. I guess they are installed by 
> default.
>
>- Core 
>- Filesystem 
>- Highlight 
>- Tiddlyweb 
>
> You should never drag and drop those particular plugins -- they're 
provided from the central repository when node runs. They're "Sort of" 
installed by default. If you look in your tiddlywiki.info file, you'll see 
that all of them except core are listed. Core isn't listed because there 
would be no TiddlyWiki without the core ;-) So I guess you could say that 
it is a true default. You could remove Filesystem and Tiddlyweb (I think) 
from tiddlywiki.info if you wanted a read-only node instance. 



>

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[tw5] Re: Installing plugins on node.js installation

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You shouldn't worry. 

Someday, if you have lots of TW files on node.js that all need the same 
plugin, then it might become more convenient to have a central plugin 
repository. The main thing is to not install *official* plugins by dragging 
and dropping, because they can change with every upgrade of TW.

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 6:50:30 AM UTC-7 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

> I installed a tiddlywik on node.js on my linux computer.
>
> Then I installed some plugins like Relink the usual way --- dragging the 
> link to the wiki. And everything seemed to work perfectly.
>
> Then I came across this 
> .
>
> And now I am worried. Should I uninstall all the plugins and install them 
> the correct way OR just leave things as they are? Why worry when nothing 
> 'appears' broken?
>

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[tw5] Re: Convert a dynamic list into a template

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Can you provide some tiddlers with participants list (e.g. King George, 
Queen Elizabeth, etc.) Having to guess at someone's data structure makes 
helping difficult. 

Thanks!

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:07:00 AM UTC-7 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

> Thanks, Mark.
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:16:42 PM UTC+5:30 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Try 
>>
>> 
>> <$list filter="[contains:participants!sort[at]]">
>>
>>  <$link />
>> 
>> 
>>
>
> The first block of code worked perfectly.
>  
>
>>
>> If that works inside tiddler "King George", then you can paste the text 
>> into a tiddler and tag it "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" and it will work 
>> everywhere. But you probably don't want it to work *everywhere*. So you 
>> can wrap it with a list that only includes tiddlers that have 
>> *participants* :
>>
>> <$list filter="[all[current]has[participants]]">
>> 
>> <$list filter="[contains:participants!sort[at]]">
>>
>>  <$link />
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>
> But this did not. I had named the tiddler containing this code 
> 'ParticipatedList' and tagged it as suggested by you.
>
> *Also, what I am aiming at is not the list. I want to transclude the 
> matching tiddlers.*
>
> I have edited the original question to say so explicitly. I earlier 
> thought that {{}} meant it automatically.
>
>  
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-7 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:
>>
> Here is a working dynamic list I have:
>>>
>>> 
>>> <$list filter="[contains:participants[King George]!sort[at]]">
>>>  <$link />
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> This works perfectly.
>>>
>>> Can I convert this into a template --- 'ParticipatedListTemplate'?
>>>
>>> So, I can sit in a tiddler 'King George', write
>>>
>>> {{||ParticipatedListTemplate}} and get the same list transcluded.
>>>
>>
>>> And if it is a template, I can do the same in 'Queen Elizabeth' tiddler, 
>>> too.
>>>
>>> Or is there a better way of achieving the same thing?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Convert a dynamic list into a template

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Try 


<$list filter="[contains:participants!sort[at]]">
 <$link />



If that works inside tiddler "King George", then you can paste the text 
into a tiddler and tag it "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" and it will work 
everywhere. But you probably don't want it to work *everywhere*. So you can 
wrap it with a list that only includes tiddlers that have *participants* :

<$list filter="[all[current]has[participants]]">

<$list filter="[contains:participants!sort[at]]">
 <$link />





On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-7 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

> Here is a working dynamic list I have:
>
> 
> <$list filter="[contains:participants[King George]!sort[at]]">
>  <$link />
> 
> 
>
> This works perfectly.
>
> Can I convert this into a template --- 'ParticipatedListTemplate'?
>
> So, I can sit in a tiddler 'King George', write
>
> {{||ParticipatedListTemplate}} and get the same list.
>
> And if it is a template, I can do the same in 'Queen Elizabeth' tiddler, 
> too.
>
> Or is there a better way of achieving the same thing?
>

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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Ed,

Gosh, your situation sounds scary. I don't know if I could stick with it 
under your circumstances.

Yes, you will need to sign up at talk.tiddlywiki.org. But the good news is 
that you can use your existing gmail address, so you won't have to learn 
anything new there.

Once you sign up, you, or a helper, will need to navigate to the settings:

In the upper right hand corner click on your avatar, then on the little man 
tab, then on the cog, then from the list on the left click on "Emails". 
Under "Activity Summary" you can select to receive a summary weekly, 
monthly, or bi-annually.  I could put together some screen shots if that 
would help, though I feel that should be done with someone with an official 
capacity.

The funny thing is, to get these summaries, you have to NEVER visit the new 
forum! It only sends you summaries if you stay away!

The thing I don't know is if you can reply to a summary, just like to an 
email. Maybe an admin can comment. 

There is a mail list mode, but it sends you every single post, which I 
don't think is what you want. Most other systems have mail list modes with 
summaries, but that option isn't on the drop down.

 

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:15:03 AM UTC-7 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then 
> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer 
> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know its 
> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for and 
> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless of 
> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced it 
> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or something 
> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am no 
> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails to 
> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work being 
> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have the 
> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything 
> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer these 
> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us who 
> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be 
> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register my 
> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails coming 
> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this 
> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) 
> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do 
> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining my 
> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to make 
> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an archive 
> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it 
> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an email 
> for every post being made thats is an absolute! 
>
> Thanks, 
> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? 
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote:
>>
>>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching 
>>> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community?
>>> JWH
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 joshua@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all there!

 Best,
 Joshua Fontany
 On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons 
 (Secret-HQ) wrote:

> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted with 
> the interface there.  I'll try to ask questions and create new threads 
> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google 
> Groups 
> is that's where the conversation flows.  (For my part, I'm hoping it 
> moves 
> to Talk.TW)
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/u/secret-hq/
>


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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Here's something that is very concerning.

Look at this thread on Discourse. At least two of the posts marked as 
coming from me (_Mark_S_via_TiddlyWi 
) are actually from JWH 
. 

That's a pretty frustrating bug.

On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:32:41 AM UTC-7 Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
wrote:

> Hi, JWH —
>
> I think the confusion is that there are two types of Discourse boards:
>
>1. those hosted on Discourse.com, where someone pays to maintain an 
>account and use their server's shared resources
>2. those hosted privately on your own server/domain name, where the 
>webmaster or dev team install and maintain the Discourse software
>
>
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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

So it turns out you don't need Enterprise to have 1000 members. You can get 
premium, and then pay the 4c per user additional fee. So that makes the 
yearly cost $440. Not that I'm promoting it, necessarily.

My main point is that most of the prior conversations assumed zero cost 
forum solutions. There wasn't a whole lot of exploration of low-cost 
solutions. 

Discourse seems nice, though we can't really test it's ability to 
dumpster-dive yet. But I'm not sure it's $5/month nicer than GG. At the end 
of the day, it's just a forum. I suspect that after a few months, and it 
doesn't seem so shiny any more, that others will feel the same way.


On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 4:47:08 PM UTC-7 PMario wrote:

> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 12:53:40 AM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> No, it's not a pure email. It has a web forum with all the services you 
>> expect -- file attachments, photos, wikis, calendars.
>
>
> ah. ok
>  
>
>> But you're right about the price. It obviously wasn't like that when I 
>> signed up. At the time there was no user-count limit for the basic group. 
>> Hopefully they won't rescind that policy.
>>
>
> Yea, you have probably been an early adopter. That sometimes happens. ... 
> So you shouldn't give up that account ;)
> -mario
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

No, it's not a pure email. It has a web forum with all the services you 
expect -- file attachments, photos, wikis, calendars.

But you're right about the price. It obviously wasn't like that when I 
signed up. At the time there was no user-count limit for the basic group. 
Hopefully they won't rescind that policy.




On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 2:43:15 PM UTC-7 PMario wrote:

> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 11:13:18 PM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>
> I have a forum with groups.io. After the initial transfer fee it has been 
>> free. It includes mail services. It works just like you would expect a 
>> forum to work. I can't help but feel that people jumped on Discourse 
>> because it's the shiny software of the day.
>>
>
> That's a pure e-mail list, that can't be compared to Google Groups or any 
> other web based discussion forum. ... The free tier is for 100 members. The 
> 20$ per month tier is for 500 members and the enterprise tier for 1000 
> members goes up to 200$/month + 0.20$ per additional user 
>
> This Group here has more than 1000 users and the goal of the new platform 
> is to increase the number of users. ... So please compare apples with 
> apples!
> The pricing page: https://groups.io/static/pricing
>
> just my thought.
> -mario
>

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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Why are you assuming that GG won't be here in 2 or 3 years? 

Are you willing to pay $5 per month just to have a different forum, that 
may not actually be significantly better than what we have now?

I have a forum with groups.io. After the initial transfer fee it has been 
free. It includes mail services. It works just like you would expect a 
forum to work. I can't help but feel that people jumped on Discourse 
because it's the shiny software of the day.

Maybe we should have a pledge drive thread. People can promise to pay $5 a 
month for a year to sustain Discourse. I would guess that you need at least 
25 enlistees  because there's going to be people who lose interest after a 
few months when they realize that a forum is just a forum.

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-7 strikke...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Mark, we do not know if GG exist i 2 or 3 years -  we do not even know how 
> many would be left to return to GG or go to somewhere else. If the move is 
> a success - and everybody or most people move and like it. Success. If a 
> lot of people are lost in the moving and too many gradually leave - not so 
> much.
>
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 5:47:42 PM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> So mostly it's the meta issues that concern me.
>>
>> First, someone is paying for Discourse, right? It's not free like GG. Is 
>> that sustainable, or will we back at GG in 2 or 3 years?
>>
>> Second, is the search better on Discourse? Because that was the main 
>> concern about GG -- things become lost in the mist of time (the mist of 
>> time being more than two weeks ago).
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Personally I have used many kinds of forums and conversational systems 
>>> and the good ones have a number of features that you find are needed and 
>>> help both with communications and adoption. Discourse has many if not all 
>>> these features, and sure they may be implemented differently in different 
>>> solutions, but in the long run all of these are needed. It may take a 
>>> little longer to get used to the way it works, but from my experience it is 
>>> about what we need in the long run not simply what we may want initially.
>>>
>>> With my experience I have found Discourse a walk in the park, with the 
>>> odd little exception.  Why, because almost everything Discourse does or 
>>> permits, is in a wide range of similar solutions. What I am trying to say 
>>> is much of it is industry standard and learning Discourse will be reusable 
>>> skills you can use in other places.  This is not just learning about a 
>>> particular product but learning about the state of the art in collaboration 
>>> systems. 
>>>
>>> Sure we can criticise any system for sure, nothing is perfect, but if 
>>> helps hearing someone experienced in such things such as myself, it is all 
>>> going to be worth it, its moving forward in a big step and it is largely 
>>> based on standard practices. I urge you to push through the barriers to 
>>> change or the new because we will all be rewarded. 
>>>
>>> I would also add, I have tried to get us to move before now and it was 
>>> like herding cats, if we have any momentum at all I think we should move to 
>>> an alternative, especially since Google has let us down big time. Eg No 
>>> code, no mobile, are you kidding Google!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 22:49:19 UTC+10 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I signed up a few days ago and have looked around to get to know it - 
 and hopefully find something I liked about it. In between looking around 
 and reading- I started up a few "comfort" tiddlywikis.

 It looks rather complicated to me. Time will hopefully help.
 A lot of users over quite some time discussing tiddlywiki, and not 
 forum details will make it more interesting. But I realise that right now 
 - 
 it is necessary to get the forum the way it can be - and users need help. 
 - 
 to later be able to tell everyone else how easy it really is.

 Sorry - it might be my age.

 @Mohammad,
 The tutorial is nice and start when signing in - I wonder why so many 
 did not find it.

>>>

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[tw5] Re: We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

So mostly it's the meta issues that concern me.

First, someone is paying for Discourse, right? It's not free like GG. Is 
that sustainable, or will we back at GG in 2 or 3 years?

Second, is the search better on Discourse? Because that was the main 
concern about GG -- things become lost in the mist of time (the mist of 
time being more than two weeks ago).

Thanks!

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Personally I have used many kinds of forums and conversational systems and 
> the good ones have a number of features that you find are needed and help 
> both with communications and adoption. Discourse has many if not all these 
> features, and sure they may be implemented differently in different 
> solutions, but in the long run all of these are needed. It may take a 
> little longer to get used to the way it works, but from my experience it is 
> about what we need in the long run not simply what we may want initially.
>
> With my experience I have found Discourse a walk in the park, with the odd 
> little exception.  Why, because almost everything Discourse does or 
> permits, is in a wide range of similar solutions. What I am trying to say 
> is much of it is industry standard and learning Discourse will be reusable 
> skills you can use in other places.  This is not just learning about a 
> particular product but learning about the state of the art in collaboration 
> systems. 
>
> Sure we can criticise any system for sure, nothing is perfect, but if 
> helps hearing someone experienced in such things such as myself, it is all 
> going to be worth it, its moving forward in a big step and it is largely 
> based on standard practices. I urge you to push through the barriers to 
> change or the new because we will all be rewarded. 
>
> I would also add, I have tried to get us to move before now and it was 
> like herding cats, if we have any momentum at all I think we should move to 
> an alternative, especially since Google has let us down big time. Eg No 
> code, no mobile, are you kidding Google!
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 22:49:19 UTC+10 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I signed up a few days ago and have looked around to get to know it - and 
>> hopefully find something I liked about it. In between looking around and 
>> reading- I started up a few "comfort" tiddlywikis.
>>
>> It looks rather complicated to me. Time will hopefully help.
>> A lot of users over quite some time discussing tiddlywiki, and not forum 
>> details will make it more interesting. But I realise that right now - it is 
>> necessary to get the forum the way it can be - and users need help. - to 
>> later be able to tell everyone else how easy it really is.
>>
>> Sorry - it might be my age.
>>
>> @Mohammad,
>> The tutorial is nice and start when signing in - I wonder why so many did 
>> not find it.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Wait. There was fish? No one told me about the fish!

D'oh! Tiddlers!

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 9:10:39 AM UTC-7 ludwa6 wrote:

> Me too. Goodbye, GoogleGroups (and thanks for all the fish :-).   /walt
>
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:58:51 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I am moving to Discourse and don't plan to post here anymore. 
>>
>> Rather than have each of us do this as a separate thread, maybe everyone 
>> who does the same as me might want to just reply to this thread to add 
>> their names to the list. So people can see this is a serious exodus from 
>> one platform to the other. Maybe that will encourage more people to do the 
>> same.
>>
>> Blessings.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Really, it gets back to trust and reputation.

A TW coder could write a tiddler that contains no javascript tiddlers, but 
that, when run, creates a javascript  tiddler that will later get run. So 
you would never see javascript code during import. The core TW is already 
pretty huge. Adding patch after patch for each imagined scenario eventually 
renders TW less and less useful.

Also, it hasn't been demonstrated what harm could be done even if your 
standalone code was infiltrated. Could keystrokes be sent back to a server? 
Could file blocks be written anywhere other than the download directory? Of 
course on node or especially on any multi-user platform things become more 
hazardous.  In theory any server-based solution (e.g. node) could write to 
your file system and possibly invoke code. In practice, I found it very 
difficult to set up even when I wanted something like that.


 


On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:22:27 AM UTC-7 R² wrote:

> Excellent points John. Most users will indeed not review the full text of 
> every single tiddler they import. I'm now thinking that pointing out which 
> ones should indeed be reviewed more explicitly would be both easy and 
> worthwhile.
>
> At the tm-import-tiddlers widget level, any JS that's being imported could 
> be flagged, with a simple highlight inviting the user to review the code 
> before confirming the import when standard declared JS is detected, and a 
> more insistent alert when the code is hidden or obfuscated (as in Finn's 
> Base64 example). A simple exhaustive filter search should be able to cover 
> all or most cases, including content-type=application/javascript, 

[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I never got the alert. I'm curious why some people are reporting that it 
worked. Also, "alert" is very public and generally pretty harmless. 
Possibly it could be used as part of a phishing scheme.  It's not clear to 
me that you could create code that could modify anything outside the iframe 
sandbox. The suggestion was made that it could download something. Is there 
a demo for that?

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 6:52:32 AM UTC-7 joh@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, what I see is this:
>
> If you use TW, you use JavaScript. And if you use JavaScript code from 
> unknown / unsafe sources, you will run the risk of the code doing things 
> that it shouldn't be doing. That should actually be clear to everyone. But 
> that's not a problem for TW, but in principle for every website that takes 
> full advantage of the possibilities of HTML5. And at last, it's the problem 
> of all data: You have to trust in it.
>
> A particular security problem of TW is, of course, that TW has all the 
> tools to integrate new (dangerous) code in the simplest possible way, 
> without the user always being aware of what he is doing. The special thing 
> about it is not only that it is so easy to do. It is also particularly 
> difficult to understand and keep track of, because the file is constantly 
> being changed and saved.
>
> Of course, you can take the trouble to review the code you are adopting 
> and also ensure that no one else can insert their own code. But honestly, 
> who does it? We usually trust what we find - at least on the sites we know. 
> And what we are inserting is not always obvious. The example code above, 
> for example. In plain language it reads:
>
> 
> var keylog = [];
> document.addEventListener('keyup', function(e){
> keylog.push(e.which);
> alert(keylog);
> });
> 
>
> Which of you deciphered it before trying it out?
> TW Tones schrieb am Mittwoch, 18. August 2021 um 08:12:13 UTC+2:
>
>> Mark et al
>>
>> You said *TW wasn't built from the ground-up for mult-user, and it's 
>> definitely not how most people are using it. I'm sure products built as 
>> server-side entities (e.g. WikiMedia) have all sorts of protection against 
>> injected code. *
>>
>> I agree, yet we have Bob which makes this plausible at least where people 
>> who access the wiki are trusted such as in a team. Perhaps not secure on 
>> the internet where anyone can get to it. 
>>
>>- I think this may be a self fulfilling prophesy, we don't have 
>>secure methods to share online or run in a multi-user mode, so no one 
>> does.
>>- Because we don't have multi-user solutions on the internet people 
>>come to expect all the control they want on their own local wikis, I 
>> don't 
>>want the security tail wagging the dog, if I want to iframe sites I use, 
>> or 
>>use it to drag and drop patches between wikis, I would not like this 
>> being 
>>locked down.
>>- Despite me calling for this mulit-user functionality, see Check in 
>>and out critical to the use of tiddlywiki #5919 
>> with the 
>>simplest form serial editing using a check out and in facility I can't 
>> seem 
>>to get any traction on this.
>>
>> Given the discussion in this thread, perhaps we need a way to harden 
>> tiddlywiki for the internet, but I hope we don't harden it for the sole or 
>> LAN users or teams. It seems we may need to "bifurcate" to the risky and 
>> less risky environments, another possibility is being able to run a 
>> vulnerability check on a wiki.
>>
>> The best security will give us our cake and we can eat it too, the wrong 
>> security will mean we can't eat the cake, or look at it in the security of 
>> our own room.
>>
>> In closing of great importance are the many possible ways tiddlywiki can 
>> be made use of, but we need to maintain flexibility even when attempting to 
>> secure it the the "great unwashed internet", because it often has little or 
>> nothing to do with the internet. 
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 18 August 2021 at 13:33:11 UTC+10 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> TW wasn't built from the ground-up for mult-user, and it's definitely 
>>> not how most people are using it. I'm sure products built as server-side 
>>> entities (e.g. WikiMedia) have all sorts of protection against injected 
>>> code. 
>>>
>>> Anyone who can write and  save a tiddler can make a javascript tiddler, 
>>> or a widget, or overwrite a javascript filte operator, or maybe header 
>>> scripts, or maybe in-frame code. I guess you would have to think of all the 
>>> ways that code could be injected and then neutralize everything that 
>>> matched. But you'd have to do it before the tiddlers got written to the 
>>> common pool, and you'd have to either block legitimate uses of the iframe, 
>>> or figure out some way to detect that the frame doesn't contain js source 
>>> code.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:06:05 PM UTC-7 

[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

TW wasn't built from the ground-up for mult-user, and it's definitely not 
how most people are using it. I'm sure products built as server-side 
entities (e.g. WikiMedia) have all sorts of protection against injected 
code. 

Anyone who can write and  save a tiddler can make a javascript tiddler, or 
a widget, or overwrite a javascript filte operator, or maybe header 
scripts, or maybe in-frame code. I guess you would have to think of all the 
ways that code could be injected and then neutralize everything that 
matched. But you'd have to do it before the tiddlers got written to the 
common pool, and you'd have to either block legitimate uses of the iframe, 
or figure out some way to detect that the frame doesn't contain js source 
code.



On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:06:05 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com wrote:

> I am currently playing with "real-time multiplayer" capabilities for TW5, 
> so this is an interesting security vulnerability to be aware of.
>
> My primary concern was "what if a malicious user connected a 
> MIS-IDENTIFIED wiki to a real-time server. It has a bunch of malicious 
> tiddlers, and it DOES NOT have a bunch of tiddlers that exist in the server 
> copy."
>
> The real-time sync, once authenticated and authorized, would just 
> absoloutely wreck the server-copy of the wiki in this instance.
>
> Similarly, being able to some-how sync malicious javascript code, hidden 
> in a data-uri to the server, which will sync it to all connected users is a 
> concern...
>
> Best,
> Joshua Fontany
>
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 10:12:13 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>>  Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> That was one of the concerns with TWederation. You could import from 
>>> someone you trusted who imported from someone they trusted who ... actually 
>>> couldn't be trusted. It's kind of a hard problem.
>>>
>>
>> *Right! *It IS an interesting issue. But *maybe as much an 
>> anthropological issue as a technical one. *
>> Suddenly tech switches into *"HOW CAN I TRUST?" *mode. 
>> Despite the fact most everyone, well everyone, here (you, reading this) 
>> is completely trust-worthy. 
>> I think its a basic sociological fact that much of the internet is NOW 
>> premised on the idea you can't trust anyone.
>> It has led to a kind of "authentication gymnastics" that makes doing some 
>> things very convoluted.
>>
>> Just rambles
>> TT
>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 8:13:42 AM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

> I'd be more concerned about people being tricked into importing a 
> tiddler that contained code like this.
>

 From my perspective this is the only practical concern, and once again 
 emphasizes the need to be careful when importing content from others. 

>>>

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[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

That was one of the concerns with TWederation. You could import from 
someone you trusted who imported from someone they trusted who ... actually 
couldn't be trusted. It's kind of a hard problem.

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 8:13:42 AM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>> I'd be more concerned about people being tricked into importing a tiddler 
>> that contained code like this.
>>
>
> From my perspective this is the only practical concern, and once again 
> emphasizes the need to be careful when importing content from others. 
>

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[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

In my test, the code didn't do anything. So it's hard to evaluate. What 
exactly could the code do? Unless it could write to the file system (which 
is really hard in JS), or if it could send the keystrokes back to a 
server-based entity, it would not be able to accomplish anything. What 
browser are you testing with?

I think the WP article is talking about abilities that existed before 
modern browsers. Modern browsers, as we have found out to our chagrin, tell 
you that they are doing a download. They can only download to one place, 
which is usually the download directory. They know nothing about the file 
system, and can't even tell you the path of an image that has been loaded 
(also to our chagrin). Once a file is downloaded, it can only be executed 
by a deliberate action. On Linux, most file managers won't execute from the 
GUI anymore, so no accidental clicking. On Windows, Windows pops up a 
message warning you that you are about to run a potentially dangerous file. 
So it's not easy to get your code executed even if it is downloaded.

If a person deliberately puts code on their page that does malicious 
things, it doesn't matter how it is inserted. 

So basically, you're just saying that TW uses Javascript and somebody could 
insert additional JS. But that is a weakness/strength of all AJAX pages. 
It's not like I could go to an existing TW site and add my own malicious 
code. It would have to be running a special server based version of TW 
(node, Bob, ) to make that possible -- not the standalone.

In terms of self-protection, the best away to avoid malicious code would be 
to only use code/plugins that are WikiText based (after reviewing that it 
doesn't create JS tiddlers), or only using plugins from sources that you 
really, really trust (e.g. Eric S.)





On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:53:28 AM UTC-7 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mark, 
>
> The scenario I had in mind was: Person A (attacker), adds malicious code 
> to his TW instance, which is accessible via the web through GitHub pages, 
> or something similar. He then shares his wiki link with Person B, who 
> unknowingly goes to take a look at Person A's wiki. On doing this, Person B 
> then has this malicious JS execute on his end, thereby hacking/infecting 
> him.
>
> With JS, this exploit could be crafted in a variety of ways, as stated, 
> there is already pure-JS ransomware, which, combined with some creativity, 
> could trick the user into allowing the wiki to access the local filesystem. 
> There is also ways of installing damaging malware to the users system (see 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive-by_download), purely from 
> vulnerabilities like this.
>
> So this exploit can reach beyond the scope of there being someone who "can 
> sit down at your desk and insert code."
>
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 10:30:02 AM UTC-4 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to understand what the problem is.
>>
>> TW isn't multi-user. If someone can sit down at your desk and insert 
>> code, then you already have security problems way beyond code.
>> Likewise, if you have a publicly exposed TW that anyone can save with, 
>> then you have security problems beyond a code hack.
>>
>> So I'm not seeing what the concern is. If someone has the ability to save 
>> to your TW, then you already have a security breach, regardless of the 
>> nature of the inserted code.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-7 R² wrote:
>>
>>> OK, got it to execute. For some mysterious reason, the first few 
>>> keypresses didn't do anything, then a few did, I clicked elsewhere and 
>>> modified another tiddler, the next few didn't, and when I went back to the 
>>> malicious tiddler to get it to execute again, it hadn't recorded keypresses 
>>> made in the other tiddler. It does seem as if it's at least partly 
>>> sandboxed but I'll defer to the core coders, I was just curious to see what 
>>> this was about.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> R²
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I'm trying to understand what the problem is.

TW isn't multi-user. If someone can sit down at your desk and insert code, 
then you already have security problems way beyond code.
Likewise, if you have a publicly exposed TW that anyone can save with, then 
you have security problems beyond a code hack.

So I'm not seeing what the concern is. If someone has the ability to save 
to your TW, then you already have a security breach, regardless of the 
nature of the inserted code.


On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-7 R² wrote:

> OK, got it to execute. For some mysterious reason, the first few 
> keypresses didn't do anything, then a few did, I clicked elsewhere and 
> modified another tiddler, the next few didn't, and when I went back to the 
> malicious tiddler to get it to execute again, it hadn't recorded keypresses 
> made in the other tiddler. It does seem as if it's at least partly 
> sandboxed but I'll defer to the core coders, I was just curious to see what 
> this was about.
>
> Best,
> R²
>

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[tw5] Re: convert date in a text field to date format

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

[image: screenshot-converted-date.png]

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:57:54 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

>
> So, did you add Eric's macro to your TW and verify it works? That would be 
> the first step in trouble-shooting. Remember, after loading the convertdate 
> macro, you have to save and reload your TW file.
>
> It worked for me without problem:
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:30:13 PM UTC-7 S² wrote:
>
>> Mark, thanks for feedback.
>>
>> The added 'published-tw' field is empty - no values:
>> [image: published-tw.png]
>>
>> Mark S. schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2021 um 20:31:28 UTC+2:
>>
>>> So what you really need is a filter operator that can do the conversion 
>>> and be used inside a sortsub operator. @Eric ?
>>>
>>> If you're willing to use an "update" button, one solution would be a 
>>> button that creates "published-tw" (date in TW format) fields for any 
>>> tiddler that has a "published" field. Then you could have the TOC sort on 
>>> the published-tw field. You would have to remember to periodically perform 
>>> the "update" whenever you had data changes. This two-step approach makes 
>>> certain activities in TW much easier to handle.
>>>
>>> So the code to update the field might look like:
>>>
>>> <$button>Update Publication Dates
>>> <$list filter="[has[published]]">
>>> <$wikify text="""<$macrocall $name=convertdate from={{!!published}} 
>>> to="[UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX" />""" name=result >
>>> <$action-setfield $field=published-tw $value=<> />
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Be sure to make a backup before trying this of course. Also, this 
>>> assumes that you have the latest version of Eric's converdate macro 
>>> installed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:37:26 AM UTC-7 S² wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 thanks for all input and effort.
 It looks like it is not so easy...

 As I wrote, I use the text field ‘publish’ to add a date. (date 
 modified or created will not help me)

 This date can also be in the future.
 Format is *T.  * - (eg. *7. April 2021* or *13. August 2021*) 
 – this is the long date in German (like "DDth MMM ")

 'published' is also shown in TOC:

   [image: TOC.png]

 Now asked for a way to sort TOC on ‘published’ instead of Tiddler title.

 The output should still be "DDth MMM "

 Thanks
 Stefan
 Eric Shulman schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2021 um 03:12:35 UTC+2:

> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Just tried 
>> <>
>> and got a hard RSOE ("from" not defined). I think the arguments need 
>> to be tweaked in the macro.
>>
>
> OOPS!  I had originally used "date" and "format" as the parameter 
> names, but then I decided to change to using "from" and "to".  
> Unfortunately, the arguments in the macro function declaration were still 
> using "date" and "format", but internally, the macro code referenced 
> "from" 
> and "to" as intended.  I've corrected the arguments in the macro function 
> declaration and posted an update here:
>
> https://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#TiddlyTools%2FTime%2FConvertDate
>
> Thanks,
> -e
>


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[tw5] Re: convert date in a text field to date format

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

So, did you add Eric's macro to your TW and verify it works? That would be 
the first step in trouble-shooting. Remember, after loading the convertdate 
macro, you have to save and reload your TW file.

It worked for me without problem:




On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:30:13 PM UTC-7 S² wrote:

> Mark, thanks for feedback.
>
> The added 'published-tw' field is empty - no values:
> [image: published-tw.png]
>
> Mark S. schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2021 um 20:31:28 UTC+2:
>
>> So what you really need is a filter operator that can do the conversion 
>> and be used inside a sortsub operator. @Eric ?
>>
>> If you're willing to use an "update" button, one solution would be a 
>> button that creates "published-tw" (date in TW format) fields for any 
>> tiddler that has a "published" field. Then you could have the TOC sort on 
>> the published-tw field. You would have to remember to periodically perform 
>> the "update" whenever you had data changes. This two-step approach makes 
>> certain activities in TW much easier to handle.
>>
>> So the code to update the field might look like:
>>
>> <$button>Update Publication Dates
>> <$list filter="[has[published]]">
>> <$wikify text="""<$macrocall $name=convertdate from={{!!published}} 
>> to="[UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX" />""" name=result >
>> <$action-setfield $field=published-tw $value=<> />
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Be sure to make a backup before trying this of course. Also, this assumes 
>> that you have the latest version of Eric's converdate macro installed.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:37:26 AM UTC-7 S² wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> thanks for all input and effort.
>>> It looks like it is not so easy...
>>>
>>> As I wrote, I use the text field ‘publish’ to add a date. (date modified 
>>> or created will not help me)
>>>
>>> This date can also be in the future.
>>> Format is *T.  * - (eg. *7. April 2021* or *13. August 2021*) – 
>>> this is the long date in German (like "DDth MMM ")
>>>
>>> 'published' is also shown in TOC:
>>>
>>>   [image: TOC.png]
>>>
>>> Now asked for a way to sort TOC on ‘published’ instead of Tiddler title.
>>>
>>> The output should still be "DDth MMM "
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Stefan
>>> Eric Shulman schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2021 um 03:12:35 UTC+2:
>>>
 On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

> Just tried 
> <>
> and got a hard RSOE ("from" not defined). I think the arguments need 
> to be tweaked in the macro.
>

 OOPS!  I had originally used "date" and "format" as the parameter 
 names, but then I decided to change to using "from" and "to".  
 Unfortunately, the arguments in the macro function declaration were still 
 using "date" and "format", but internally, the macro code referenced 
 "from" 
 and "to" as intended.  I've corrected the arguments in the macro function 
 declaration and posted an update here:

 https://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#TiddlyTools%2FTime%2FConvertDate

 Thanks,
 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: convert date in a text field to date format

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

So what you really need is a filter operator that can do the conversion and 
be used inside a sortsub operator. @Eric ?

If you're willing to use an "update" button, one solution would be a button 
that creates "published-tw" (date in TW format) fields for any tiddler that 
has a "published" field. Then you could have the TOC sort on the 
published-tw field. You would have to remember to periodically perform the 
"update" whenever you had data changes. This two-step approach makes 
certain activities in TW much easier to handle.

So the code to update the field might look like:

<$button>Update Publication Dates
<$list filter="[has[published]]">
<$wikify text="""<$macrocall $name=convertdate from={{!!published}} 
to="[UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX" />""" name=result >
<$action-setfield $field=published-tw $value=<> />




Be sure to make a backup before trying this of course. Also, this assumes 
that you have the latest version of Eric's converdate macro installed.


On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 3:37:26 AM UTC-7 S² wrote:

> Hello,
>
> thanks for all input and effort.
> It looks like it is not so easy...
>
> As I wrote, I use the text field ‘publish’ to add a date. (date modified 
> or created will not help me)
>
> This date can also be in the future.
> Format is *T.  * - (eg. *7. April 2021* or *13. August 2021*) – 
> this is the long date in German (like "DDth MMM ")
>
> 'published' is also shown in TOC:
>
>   [image: TOC.png]
>
> Now asked for a way to sort TOC on ‘published’ instead of Tiddler title.
>
> The output should still be "DDth MMM "
>
> Thanks
> Stefan
> Eric Shulman schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2021 um 03:12:35 UTC+2:
>
>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Just tried 
>>> <>
>>> and got a hard RSOE ("from" not defined). I think the arguments need to 
>>> be tweaked in the macro.
>>>
>>
>> OOPS!  I had originally used "date" and "format" as the parameter names, 
>> but then I decided to change to using "from" and "to".  Unfortunately, the 
>> arguments in the macro function declaration were still using "date" and 
>> "format", but internally, the macro code referenced "from" and "to" as 
>> intended.  I've corrected the arguments in the macro function declaration 
>> and posted an update here:
>>
>> https://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#TiddlyTools%2FTime%2FConvertDate
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -e
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: convert date in a text field to date format

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 5:08:35 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Format  T.  ?
>
> Surely you mean "0DD. MMM "
>
>
That's a good point. I imagine S2's source application is using some local 
formatting code (e.g. German, Dutch). So the format would have to be 
altered to the ISO 8601 standard for use in javascript (and probably all of 
TW) when specifying input. But, presumably the output would automatically 
conform to the browser's locale string ??



 

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[tw5] Re: convert date in a text field to date format

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

@ Eric

Just tried 

<>

and got a hard RSOE ("from" not defined). I think the arguments need to be 
tweaked in the macro.

HTH
On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 2:53:09 PM UTC-7 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:36:11 AM UTC-7 S² wrote:
>
>> I use a created text field 'published', which will be filled with a date.
>> (This date can also be in the future)
>> format is *T.  * - (eg. *7. April 2021* or *13. August 2021*).
>>
>> 1. How can this be converted into a date format?
>>
>
> I have just added a new javascript macro to the TiddlyTools timer package.
>
> https://tiddlytools.com/timer.html#TiddlyTools%2FTime%2FConvertDate
>
>- To convert a date to a different format, use >.
>- The input date can use any date format recognized by the Javascript 
>Date.parse() function. Generally this conforms to *ISO 8601 standard 
>date format*. 
>- The output format uses TiddlyWiki Date Format codes 
>, and defaults to 
>*[UTC]0MM0DD0hh0mm0ss0XXX*.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: convert date in a text field to date format

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Is your source text field in T.  format?

Are you converting it back to TW format?

Where are you storing the converted value?



On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:36:11 AM UTC-7 S² wrote:

> Hello forum,
>
> I use a created text field 'published', which will be filled with a date.
> (This date can also be in the future)
> format is *T.  * - (eg. *7. April 2021* or *13. August 2021*).
>
> 1. How can this be converted into a date format?
>
> 2. The 'published' field is also shown in TOC - $:/_macros/alternative/toc 
> -  (see 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/AAPGy6pFpnc/m/hlKHyhzsAwAJ).
> I would like to have TOC sorted on this field (recent on top) 
>
> Thanks for feedback
> Stefan
>

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[tw5] Re: convert date in a text field to date format

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I would use a whole bunch of the new search-replace filters. What is your 
target date format?

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 12:36:11 AM UTC-7 S² wrote:

> Hello forum,
>
> I use a created text field 'published', which will be filled with a date.
> (This date can also be in the future)
> format is *T.  * - (eg. *7. April 2021* or *13. August 2021*).
>
> 1. How can this be converted into a date format?
>
> 2. The 'published' field is also shown in TOC - $:/_macros/alternative/toc 
> -  (see 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/AAPGy6pFpnc/m/hlKHyhzsAwAJ).
> I would like to have TOC sorted on this field (recent on top) 
>
> Thanks for feedback
> Stefan
>

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[tw5] Re: Save to Github -- I keep getting "Error while saving: XMLHttpRequest error code: 404"

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Type over the path as well. At least in the past it was a phantom. That is, 
you had to physically type it in even though it appeared to already be 
filled in.

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 12:25:56 PM UTC-7 pum.w...@gmail.com wrote:

> No luck. I tried main and tried retyping it.
> Note that the only branch is in fact master; I'm not sure why, given the 
> link you gave. I created the repo today.
>
> To be sure: what I should do is adapt these settings in 
> ControlPanel/Saving/Github Saver, and then hit save (Ⓥ), right?
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 4:14:27 PM UTC+2 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 6:34:57 AM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where it says "master" for branch, try removing that text and typing it 
>>> back in manually.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 3:32:03 PM UTC+2 pum.w...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Just installed 5.1.23 in a fresh github repo (Pumpapa/pumpapa.github.io
 )
>>>
>>>
>> As of Oct 1, 2020, all new GitHub repositories will use "main" instead of 
>> "master"
>>   (see https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/10/github-main-branch/)
>>
>> So, try setting the "Target branch for saving" to "main" instead of 
>> "master"
>>
>> -e
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: cannot transclude a tiddler name built from inside a macro

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

When you use <>, it's actually creating a *link* to that 
tiddler. What you want in your macro is the plain substitutable (new word!) 
text. So try:

\define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) $(currentTiddler)$$a_suffix$


On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 9:08:29 AM UTC-7 CarloGgi wrote:

>
> Hallo,
> quite new to TW and I love it, though it is dramatically underdocumented 
> and the whole docs are an almost unusable mess.
>
> To my biggest astonishment, when I try to dynamically build the name of a 
> tiddler from inisde a macro, that macro output cannot be used from within a 
> transclude widget.
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName(a_suffix) <>$a_suffix$ 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> In the example above, I obtain the tiddler's name by adding suffix 'EN' to 
> current tiddler, which the macro DOES, but then its output 
> <> doesn't make transclude widget behave as expected.
>
> I also tried many combinations of single/double quotes, as for instance in:
>
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
>
> but no result at all: the transclude widget DOESN'T transclude the 
> dynamically-built tiddler SOMETIDDLERNAME_EN
>
> Not even the simpler version with hard-coded suffix works:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> /> 
> 
>
> Nor does it using double quotes for 'tiddler' parameter inside transclude 
> widget:
>
> \define getMeTiddlerName() <>_EN 
>
> <$list filter="whateveFilterHere">
> <$transclude tiddler="<>" /> 
> 
>
> Thanks for helping, s frustrated!
>
> CG
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There might be a problem with the text splitter, or maybe relink or relink 
with the text splitter.  I was looking at my sample Streams file and found 
I couldn't see any of the notes I had made previously. But all the tiddlers 
were still in the TW. After some examination, I found that several Streams 
configuration tiddlers had swapped titles (or swapped contents, depending 
on your perspective) There were at least a half dozen such configuration 
tiddlers. So Maximum node width 
<#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2Fsq%2Fstreams%2Fnode-max-width>
 had \n\n in it and so forth. 

I don't see how that could have happened without code that actually changes 
things. So either relink got something messed up, or the text splitter 
moved titles around. None of the code I've added (my own search section) 
changes tiddler's names or contents. The only other code I've used is the 
command palette, which I've now disabled.

I know this isn't very helpful, but in case someone else encounters similar 
problems it may help narrow things down. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Picture based tiddlers

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On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 10:22:40 AM UTC-7 ludwa6 wrote:

>
> Hm -dunno about that comment, but the Imgur-licensed app for iOS does 
> exactly what we're talking about here seamlessly, although you do have to 
> ignore all the other crap on the home screen, which is targeted to their 
> mainstream user base, NOT the niche that you and i represent,
>

I'll have to give it a try. I guess if it works, I don't understand why 
there would even be a 3rd part app. But I digress.
 

> So long as the .html file (presuming a single-file wiki) need never embed 
> an image file, but is instead just rendering it from online storage (and/or 
> from browser localStorage, in the TWOF scenario?), that is the magic that 
> needs enabling here, seems to me.
>
>
Although that would be nice, it would be OK if the image temporarily 
resided in the TW.  
Thanks!

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Re: [tw5] Re: Picture based tiddlers

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-7 ludwa6 wrote:

> Can't say much as to how this works technically, but as a naive user of 
> both Imgur and TWOF, i can affirm that:
>
>1. I use Imgur both on web *and* mobile, to read and post both public 
>*and* hidden images and albums, and the authentication is perfectly 
>seamless; enter id & pwd once, and it will remember your codes as long as 
>you like (maybe there's a default logout, but i'm in often enough, it 
> seems 
>never have to re-authenticate). Can't speak to the Android issue that 
> @Mark 
>raised, but the iOS app works great for me.
>2. 
>
> Does the imgur app allow you to take pictures? The only imgur-sponsored 
app I could find on playstore promised "Imgur: Find funny GIFs, memes & 
watch viral videos". That's not my interest. Maybe the app does more, but 
it needs to say so in the description. It goes on for four paragraphs about 
all the material you'll see. A comment in the reviews says that the ability 
to post has been broken for a year.

The 3rd party app I did find could load your pictures to imgur but did not 
use your own imgur account, so there's no telling when your post will be 
trimmed.

Yes, I'm sure you can use the web based imgur to copy addresses and then 
copy/paste them into a TW. But it's a several step process and definitely 
not convenient on a small screen.

The ideal solution would allow you to take an imported image in TW and 
directly post it to your own imgur account, and then create the 
corresponding image tiddler.


 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Picture based tiddlers

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On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 7:48:10 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Saq,
>
> There remains a barrier to my understanding because most of the details 
> seem to make sense to "those in the know." 
>
>
Yes! Atom. Electron. Fission. IPFS.  It's taken for granted that everyone 
knows what this means and what the implications are. 

In terms of single-file solutions, exporting via the zip plugin seems to be 
the only practicable solution. On Android, a Tiddloid-like app could upload 
to imgur or some place. However I wonder about the authentication. I 
downloaded an Android app for uploading to that has thousands of users and 
was surprised that there was no way to connect to your personal imgur 
account. This means all posts will be public, none can go to your paid 
account, and that you can't manage them over time.   
 

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[tw5] Re: Picture based tiddlers

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

TW isn't really suited for dealing with photos on a regular basis.

The problem is that even a single high-res photo will bog down your TW 
experience, especially saving and loading. Which means you need to 
externalized your images. Externalizing your images means exporting your 
images to some place accessible by TW, and then re-importing as URLs. There 
isn't any smooth, automated way to do all this. I've been looking and 
experimenting for awhile, but with only mixed results. The ideal solution 
wouldn't require a user to do more than click on an "archive" button to 
convert a tiddler to an external image. And I guess there would need to be 
a reverse button, since AFAIK you can only draw on an embedded image. 

On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 5:00:16 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> VERY interesting post.
>
> TW is well suited for it with a bit of tweaking ... 
>
> Much of the issue is how you have your OS setup??? I do screen capture vis 
> OS on Android, Chromebook and PC desktop no problem.
> And then import.
>
> WHERE TW gets interesting to me in the OP is engaging PEN input into the 
> editor or into image tiddlers after capture.
> ALL I do is scale the box full screen --- as for pen accuracy, you need a 
> decent sized canvas.
>
> Ask if you want particulars.
>
> Best
> TT 
>
> On Saturday, 31 July 2021 at 11:58:05 UTC+2 e.arnol...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I'm interested in using TW5 for my daily note taking. I very often takes 
>> notes with images. Sometimes the image is the only note.
>> Picture taking should be well integrated.
>>
>> Is TW5 well suited for this task?
>> Are there plugins for quick picture taking?
>> How well would performance be with several hundred pictures?
>>
>> Thank you for your answer in advance.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Answering my own question, apparently they need two line feeds between each 
text line.

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 8:52:09 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

> I was trying the split feature with alt+enter. The dialog asks if I want 
> to split the text into separate tiddlers, but it doesn't actually perform 
> the split. Is there any special way that I need to format the text before 
> attempting the split?
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I was trying the split feature with alt+enter. The dialog asks if I want to 
split the text into separate tiddlers, but it doesn't actually perform the 
split. Is there any special way that I need to format the text before 
attempting the split?


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[tw5] Re: Another set of eyes on my code

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The thing is, I do see the second buttons after running the first button. 
So maybe I don't understand what you expect the code to do.

I do change " {{$:/PSaT/fancy-fields/icons/edit-field}}" to "MY BUTTON" 
because I don't want to go spelunking all over the TW world to find the 
particular icon you're using. However, if you have instance where you 
forgot to install the icon, that would explain why the button appears to 
not be working.

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 4:23:10 AM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Thanks all,
>
> Mario, I would share an example, but it is hard to extract a test case 
> because as I said "Deep within a larger project", I will see what I can do 
> if I get nowhere soon. 
>
>- Although when I extracted these macros from the others in an attempt 
>it started working.
>
> Charlie, I always cut and past but usually only from my own working code. 
> but I did remove some white space, thanks.
> Mark, I think that was an issue either not yet discovered as it would not 
> have being displayed however I corrected that to  $value={{{ 
> [get[text]] }}} 
>
> I will keep reviewing thanks all.
>
> Tones
>
> On Monday, 26 July 2021 at 22:49:29 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Deep within a larger project I have some macros. there is a button that 
>> displays its tooltip but its actions are not occurring. I have spent hours 
>> trying work out why it is not working when it did previously.
>>
>> Can anyone see why the first button is visible but not reacting, if it 
>> did I would then see the second button. Any suggestions would be helpful.
>>
>> \define field-state-update() $:/state/$(fieldname)$-update
>> \define tiddler-field-value-temp() 
>> $:/temp/$(currentTiddler)$/$(fieldname)$-update
>> \define field.update() 
>> <$list filter="[!has[title]]" variable=nul>
>><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-view"/> 
>> *   <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip="click to edit 
>> $(fieldname)$">*
>> *<$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> 
>> text="existence toggled in field.update macro"/>*
>> *<$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> 
>> text=<>/>*
>> *{{$:/PSaT/fancy-fields/icons/edit-field}}*
>> *   *
>> 
>> <$list filter="[has[title]]" variable=nul>
>><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-edit"/> 
>><$button message="tm-delete-tiddler" param=<> 
>> class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip="finish update of $(fieldname)$">
>>{{$:/PSaT/fancy-fields/icons/edit-field}}
>>
>><$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip="Restore $(fieldname)$">
>><$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field=<> 
>> $value=<$transclude tiddler=<>/> />
>>{{$:/PSaT/fancy-fields/icons/restore-field}}
>>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> More info
>>
>> I invoke this with <>  and fieldname field-type-tiddler is 
>> already set. The green filter never comes true, also proving 
>> <> is never created.
>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> text="existence 
>> toggled in field.update macro"/>
>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> 
>> text=<>/>
>> So the above actions do not occur.
>>
>> These lines in the above work on their own
>><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-edit"/> 
>><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-view"/> 
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tones
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Another set of eyes on my code

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Unless something has changed in the rules of TW, you can't insert the 
contents of a widget in the middle of a widget this way:

<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field=<> 
$value=<$transclude 
tiddler=<>/> />

This does seem like a possible copy/paste error per cj's suggestion.

On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 5:49:29 AM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Deep within a larger project I have some macros. there is a button that 
> displays its tooltip but its actions are not occurring. I have spent hours 
> trying work out why it is not working when it did previously.
>
> Can anyone see why the first button is visible but not reacting, if it did 
> I would then see the second button. Any suggestions would be helpful.
>
> \define field-state-update() $:/state/$(fieldname)$-update
> \define tiddler-field-value-temp() 
> $:/temp/$(currentTiddler)$/$(fieldname)$-update
> \define field.update() 
> <$list filter="[!has[title]]" variable=nul>
><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-view"/> 
> *   <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip="click to edit 
> $(fieldname)$">*
> *<$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> 
> text="existence toggled in field.update macro"/>*
> *<$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> 
> text=<>/>*
> *{{$:/PSaT/fancy-fields/icons/edit-field}}*
> *   *
> 
> <$list filter="[has[title]]" variable=nul>
><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-edit"/> 
><$button message="tm-delete-tiddler" param=<> 
> class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip="finish update of $(fieldname)$">
>{{$:/PSaT/fancy-fields/icons/edit-field}}
>
><$button class="tc-btn-invisible" tooltip="Restore $(fieldname)$">
><$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field=<> 
> $value=<$transclude tiddler=<>/> />
>{{$:/PSaT/fancy-fields/icons/restore-field}}
>
> 
> \end
>
> More info
>
> I invoke this with <>  and fieldname field-type-tiddler is 
> already set. The green filter never comes true, also proving 
> <> is never created.
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> text="existence 
> toggled in field.update macro"/>
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<> 
> text=<>/>
> So the above actions do not occur.
>
> These lines in the above work on their own
><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-edit"/> 
><$transclude tiddler=<> field="field-view"/> 
>
> Thanks
> Tones
>

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