Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[PMario]

Hi,

Have a look at my field-search plugin 
.

There is an intro video, if you follow the link.

-m

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[S. S.]

Actually, I forgot another scenario where it might be proper to include a 
result in the normal *search* in the *sidebar*.

How about for *Title matches* only (of course this includes *caption*) : 
Any tiddler, including shadow and system tiddlers, that are open in the 
(a?) Story River?

On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 10:04:04 PM UTC+7, S. S. wrote:
>
>
> I think Jeremy's suggestion is worth taking up. This is what I feel:
>
> The normal *search* in the *sidebar* should search the fields:
>
>- *Title matches:*
>   - title
>   - caption
>- *Other matches:*
>- tag
>   - text
>
> The *Advanced* search *Standard* tab should search:
>
>- All fields
>
> The Advanced search should have a MORE link at the bottom of the list - as 
> it stops after 250 entries
>
> What do you think?
>
>
> On Sunday, January 27, 2019 at 12:35:12 AM UTC+7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Now that the search operator has been extended to properly search across 
>> multiple fields I’d be happy to extend the core search UI to expose the new 
>> functionality.
>>
>> There are several ways of doing it:
>>
>> * Making the existing “All matches” search work across all fields
>> * Add a new search result tab for matches across all fields
>> * Add a new search result tab with configurable search fields
>>
>> In the interests of keeping the core simple and lightweight, I’d favour 
>> the first: it would avoid adding any new translatable search strings, for 
>> example.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[S. S.]

I think Jeremy's suggestion is worth taking up. This is what I feel:

The normal *search* in the *sidebar* should search the fields:

   - *Title matches:*
  - title
  - caption
   - *Other matches:*
   - tag
  - text
   
The *Advanced* search *Standard* tab should search:

   - All fields

The Advanced search should have a MORE link at the bottom of the list - as 
it stops after 250 entries

What do you think?


On Sunday, January 27, 2019 at 12:35:12 AM UTC+7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Now that the search operator has been extended to properly search across 
> multiple fields I’d be happy to extend the core search UI to expose the new 
> functionality.
>
> There are several ways of doing it:
>
> * Making the existing “All matches” search work across all fields
> * Add a new search result tab for matches across all fields
> * Add a new search result tab with configurable search fields
>
> In the interests of keeping the core simple and lightweight, I’d favour 
> the first: it would avoid adding any new translatable search strings, for 
> example.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[S. S.]

You may have noticed that - *All matches:* - only lists the first 250. 
Search for - *tiddler* - on tiddlywiki.com to see this by scrolling down 
past the - *Title matches:* - listing. I agree there should be a "more 
results" after that first 250, as I think ALL results must be available. 
Scrolling down is not so much of an issue compared to ALL results not being 
available.

Also as Thomas Elmiger pointed out, there may not be a need to repeat the 
*Title 
Matches* again in the next section(s), which would shorten that list 
considerably.

On Sunday, January 27, 2019 at 2:11:11 PM UTC+7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> @SS
>
> It is also better to show few results and have a `more result ...`
> For wiki with several hundreds tiddlers, the current search shows a very 
> ling list and you have to scroll and it is not hnady.
>
> Mohammad
>

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[Mohammad]

@SS

It is also better to show few results and have a `more result ...`
For wiki with several hundreds tiddlers, the current search shows a very 
ling list and you have to scroll and it is not hnady.

Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[S. S.]

Please do correct me if I am wrong. Presently, normal search has 2 sections:

Section 1 : Title field Only
Section 2 : Title & Tag & Text fields Only

Since there is interest to enhance the normal search - in some way we need 
either 2 or 3 sections.
Here is one suggestion - to keep the thought process going:

Section 1 : Title & Caption 
 
Only Matches  
Section 2 : Text & Tag field Only Matches
Section 2a: All OTHER non-hidden field Matches

I think I may prefer 4 sections: 
1) Title & Caption 2) Tags 3) Text 4) other Fields
I can't be sure until I do a lot of searches in this new format.


On Sunday, January 27, 2019 at 1:54:29 AM UTC+7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Afterthought: There are two sections at the moment: *Title matches* and *All 
> matches*. My preferred new mechanism would be "Title matches" and "Other 
> matches" where the latter searches in all fields BUT the title field. (Or 
> as in my plugin Simple Search, where the sections are *Caption/Title* and 
> *Other*.) 
>
> Am Samstag, 26. Januar 2019 19:44:28 UTC+1 schrieb Thomas Elmiger:
>>
>> * Making the existing “All matches” search work across all fields
>>>
>>> I’d support this.
>>
>
>> Thanks!
>> Thomas
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[TonyM]

Agreed Thomas, 

I miss the old TWC goto plugin that just listed existing tiddlers by title 
in the search. In part because my Wikis are well organised with good 
tiddler names and this is all I need most of the time. I would like an easy 
way to include system tiddlers when I am in design "mode." or past a title 
eg a system title found on TiddlyWiki.com then open it rather than having 
to open advanced search.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, January 27, 2019 at 5:54:29 AM UTC+11, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Afterthought: There are two sections at the moment: *Title matches* and *All 
> matches*. My preferred new mechanism would be "Title matches" and "Other 
> matches" where the latter searches in all fields BUT the title field. (Or 
> as in my plugin Simple Search, where the sections are *Caption/Title* and 
> *Other*.) 
>
> Am Samstag, 26. Januar 2019 19:44:28 UTC+1 schrieb Thomas Elmiger:
>>
>> * Making the existing “All matches” search work across all fields
>>>
>>> I’d support this.
>>
>
>> Thanks!
>> Thomas
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[@TiddlyTweeter]

IMO we need comparative cases.

The richness of search / filter is now really good.

So, lets talk the filters already and enjoy it.

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[Thomas Elmiger]

Afterthought: There are two sections at the moment: *Title matches* and *All 
matches*. My preferred new mechanism would be "Title matches" and "Other 
matches" where the latter searches in all fields BUT the title field. (Or 
as in my plugin Simple Search, where the sections are *Caption/Title* and 
*Other*.) 

Am Samstag, 26. Januar 2019 19:44:28 UTC+1 schrieb Thomas Elmiger:
>
> * Making the existing “All matches” search work across all fields
>>
>> I’d support this.
>

> Thanks!
> Thomas
>

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[Thomas Elmiger]

>
> * Making the existing “All matches” search work across all fields
>
> I’d support this.

Thanks!
Thomas

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Re: [tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[Jeremy Ruston]

Now that the search operator has been extended to properly search across 
multiple fields I’d be happy to extend the core search UI to expose the new 
functionality.

There are several ways of doing it:

* Making the existing “All matches” search work across all fields
* Add a new search result tab for matches across all fields
* Add a new search result tab with configurable search fields

In the interests of keeping the core simple and lightweight, I’d favour the 
first: it would avoid adding any new translatable search strings, for example.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 25 Jan 2019, at 14:09, @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> S.S. & TonyM
> 
> All the recent, extensive, discussions of search indicate I think three 
> things at least ...
> 
> 1 --- For finding things its better to have Push-Button Rich Search. 
> 
> 2 --- IMO raw filter search is a last resort. Its excellent but cumbersome. 
> Recent work shows its not needed that much to find what you need. Toggles can 
> do a most of it.
> 
> 3 -- The work Mohammad is bringing together several thoughtful threads on 
> search illustrates the issues well.
> 
> TonyM, I agree with you that the mechanisms are largely there.
> 
> S.S. I thought your in-line Word search macro really elegant and 
> useful---illustrative that the issue resolution should be easy and can be. 
> I think you get the issue end-users face well. 
> It might be interesting to take it into a form with dynamic user input too? 
> It maybe could be extended to search remote wiki? 
> 
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[tw5] Searching In Tiddler Fields

[S. S.]

With reference to the issue on Github #3432 Search within the extra fields 
 

I would like to propose that the solution by Tobias Beer here: Searching In 
Tiddler Fields  
be enhanced and then submitted as a PR for TiddlyWiki's core.

This tiddler adds a tab to *Advanced Search* named: *In Fields*
It searches for text within (i believe) all fields except the *text* field 
of non System tiddlers
It also allows a case sensitive search to be made using a tick box.
It neatly lays out the results using field names as headings.
 
It may be useful to enhance it a little.
As it stands now, it only finds words in fields that START with a search 
term.

Thus if a field contains: *Nelson Mandela*
1) This search is positive: *Nelson*
2) This search is negative: *Mandela*

One option is to add a tick box that says: *Exact Match Only*
If ticked, it behaves as it does now.
If unticked, it would also find the second example above.

I would also like to suggest a tick box that would *Include System Tiddlers*
.

I studied his code, and realized it is presently beyond my capacity to make 
the above changes. If Tobias has the time and inclination to incorporate 
these ideas, it would be wonderful. If not, it would be a big contribution 
to TiddlyWiki if someone could take on the challenge. 

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