[tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-28 Thread Riz 
You can use timimi to save standalone tiddlywikis anywhere in your file system. 
So that is local first. Now if you have a Dropbox/Google Drive/OneDrive folder, 
you can place your files in those folders- which will give you cloud backup

https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/

Sincerely,
Riz

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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread ludwa6 
IMHO Jed: The default option -active on installation, and working with the 
very first edit/save on a tiddler- should be to update (not duplicate) the 
file wherever it sits on the user's machine... And the "Saving" control 
panel should have a line of contextual guidance to say in effect: "this is 
the default, and these other options -if activated- will result in the 
following change to that default" -if any (i am still not clear if these 
saving options are all mutually compatible, or exclusive, or what).  

I just know that i have clicked the two relevant-sounding saver options - 
Saving:General: AutoSave, and Download Saver: Enable AutoSave for Download 
Saver - both on and off, to no apparent effect, i.e. i still wind up having 
to save a new file with a different name (version digit incremented by one) 
on my desktop.  For me, this is both non-intuitive and unduly frictional, 
even if you know what you have to do. 

Anyway: that's all in the web browser UI (Chrome / Firefox / Safari -have 
tried all)... But since i have as Jeremy suggested moved my workflow to 
Tiddly Desktop, this is no longer an issue: local save seems to work fine 
-albeit *without* the GitHub Saver turned on.


On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:38:35 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> If you don't mind my asking, what features are missing from the savers 
> available? I haven't used anything but bob in a while but my understanding 
> is that the browser extensions save to the local file system without any 
> problems.
>
> I am looking at improving the saver bob uses for single file wikis so I am 
> looking for feature ideas.
>

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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread ludwa6 
Hey - Thanks, Jeremy for the good & quick response.  Have installed Tiddly 
Desktop version 0.0.13 (13), seems to be working and auto-saving fine on my 
Mac.

But (never content to leave well enough alone ;-) i now wonder: can i get 
the GitSaver affordance in the desktop app working?  Turned it on, but now 
when i save a tiddler, it pulls a 404 error msg.  Is this supposed to work 
somehow?

Meanwhile: i'll deactivate that option, and pushTo/ pullFrom Github from my 
console as i usually do.  Good enough for now!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:29:09 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ludwa
>
> Your local first principle is roughly the setup I use for my personal 
> wikis. I use TiddlyDesktop on my Mac and Quine on my iPad/iPhoen. Both are 
> a dedicated browsers for TiddlyWiki that save changes automatically to the 
> local file system, which can then be synced as desired (I use both Dropbox 
> and Git).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:59, ludwa6 > wrote:
>
> Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm 
> very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of 
> managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but 
> cannot find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is
>
>1. In keeping with the Local-First principle 
>, the file on my 
>machine should be updated immediately on save of a newly-edited tiddler; 
>and then..
>2. That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version (
>Github.io, in my case) with as little friction as possible.
>
> Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental 
> changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i 
> discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being 
> updated, which violates the Local-First principle 
>  that is one of my 
> non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud 
> storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).
>
> Then -finding no affordances in the default UI for local storage- i 
> explored the plugins, and found this  "Browser Storage: Local storage in 
> the browser" plugin, which i have installed, but this still doesn't solve 
> the problem, AFAICT;  nothing gets saved until i click the download button, 
> which results in a new file with an incremented filename in my local 
> download directory -which i then have to rename, so i can then overwrite 
> the previous version in my local Github directory, so i can then push it 
> live to Github.io.  This is not a sustainable workflow.
>
> So:  i'm thinking: there has *got* to be an easier way... But then, 
> browsing this forum for an answer, the most current & relevant thread on 
> the topic, i.e. "When do my wiki edits get saved to the local file system? 
> " 
> would seem to indicate that this requirement of Local-First storage is not 
> such an easy one to solve.  
>
> Now, as i have reliable internet access at the moment, i can do it the 
> wrong way round -i.e. enable the GitHub Saver for now, and then just pull 
> to my local GitHub directory for backup- but meanwhile, if some more 
> experienced user here can tell me a way to get Local-First storage working 
> in a relatively frictionless way, i'd be much obliged!
>
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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread Jed Carty 
If you don't mind my asking, what features are missing from the savers 
available? I haven't used anything but bob in a while but my understanding is 
that the browser extensions save to the local file system without any problems.

I am looking at improving the saver bob uses for single file wikis so I am 
looking for feature ideas.

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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Hi Ludwa

Your local first principle is roughly the setup I use for my personal wikis. I 
use TiddlyDesktop on my Mac and Quine on my iPad/iPhoen. Both are a dedicated 
browsers for TiddlyWiki that save changes automatically to the local file 
system, which can then be synced as desired (I use both Dropbox and Git).

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:59, ludwa6  wrote:
> 
> Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm 
> very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of 
> managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but cannot 
> find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is
> In keeping with the Local-First principle 
> , the file on my machine 
> should be updated immediately on save of a newly-edited tiddler; and then..
> That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version (Github.io, 
> in my case) with as little friction as possible.
> Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental 
> changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i 
> discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being updated, 
> which violates the Local-First principle 
>  that is one of my 
> non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud 
> storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).
> 
> Then -finding no affordances in the default UI for local storage- i explored 
> the plugins, and found this  "Browser Storage: Local storage in the browser" 
> plugin, which i have installed, but this still doesn't solve the problem, 
> AFAICT;  nothing gets saved until i click the download button, which results 
> in a new file with an incremented filename in my local download directory 
> -which i then have to rename, so i can then overwrite the previous version in 
> my local Github directory, so i can then push it live to Github.io.  This is 
> not a sustainable workflow.
> 
> So:  i'm thinking: there has *got* to be an easier way... But then, browsing 
> this forum for an answer, the most current & relevant thread on the topic, 
> i.e. "When do my wiki edits get saved to the local file system? 
> " 
> would seem to indicate that this requirement of Local-First storage is not 
> such an easy one to solve.  
> 
> Now, as i have reliable internet access at the moment, i can do it the wrong 
> way round -i.e. enable the GitHub Saver for now, and then just pull to my 
> local GitHub directory for backup- but meanwhile, if some more experienced 
> user here can tell me a way to get Local-First storage working in a 
> relatively frictionless way, i'd be much obliged!
> 
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[tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread ludwa6 
Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm 
very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of 
managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but 
cannot find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is

   1. In keeping with the Local-First principle 
   , the file on my machine 
   should be updated immediately on save of a newly-edited tiddler; and then..
   2. That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version 
   (Github.io, in my case) with as little friction as possible.

Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental 
changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i 
discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being 
updated, which violates the Local-First principle 
 that is one of my 
non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud 
storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).

Then -finding no affordances in the default UI for local storage- i 
explored the plugins, and found this  "Browser Storage: Local storage in 
the browser" plugin, which i have installed, but this still doesn't solve 
the problem, AFAICT;  nothing gets saved until i click the download button, 
which results in a new file with an incremented filename in my local 
download directory -which i then have to rename, so i can then overwrite 
the previous version in my local Github directory, so i can then push it 
live to Github.io.  This is not a sustainable workflow.

So:  i'm thinking: there has *got* to be an easier way... But then, 
browsing this forum for an answer, the most current & relevant thread on 
the topic, i.e. "When do my wiki edits get saved to the local file system? 
" 
would seem to indicate that this requirement of Local-First storage is not 
such an easy one to solve.  

Now, as i have reliable internet access at the moment, i can do it the 
wrong way round -i.e. enable the GitHub Saver for now, and then just pull 
to my local GitHub directory for backup- but meanwhile, if some more 
experienced user here can tell me a way to get Local-First storage working 
in a relatively frictionless way, i'd be much obliged!

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