[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[amreus]

Thanks Jed, I'm not sure if it fits or not since I'm still trying to define 
what it is I actually want, if that makes any sense. 

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It isn't graphical but I made a relations database that may fit what you 
> are looking for.
>
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/relations/
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[TW Tones]

Jed,

That is a beautiful piece of work, and something I always imagined 
Tiddlywiki would be ideal for. 

I may return to investigating the "Travelling salesman problem 
"
 
or my idea to prove the "Four Colour Theorem 
" in a few steps. Things 
that often occupied me before TiddlyWiki.

I am tempted to write a small synopsis of your solution that helps 
interrogate the graph once it exits.

Thanks so much for you participation in building our tiddlywiki resources.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 6:23:45 AM UTC+10, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It isn't graphical but I made a relations database that may fit what you 
> are looking for.
>
> https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/relations/
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[Jed Carty]

It isn't graphical but I made a relations database that may fit what you 
are looking for.

https://ooktech-tw.gitlab.io/plugins/relations/

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[History Buff]

I love this discussion.

For genealogy, I use Tiddlywiki as a notes taking application as well as a 
way to keep track of the documents that I download. I continue to use my 
genealogical program (which happens to be Rootsmagic) as my main genealogy 
database. I do believe this could be done with Tiddlywiki, but as has been 
said, it would be very complicated and messy. I do have individuals in my 
Tiddlywiki, but only as a guide as to how the documents and notes fit in 
their timeline. The figure I included before (which, for some reason, is 
hidden in the quoted text) shows how I use it. I find this extremely useful 
when examining the records I've downloaded because it puts everything into 
context.

I considered trying to tackle having everything in Tiddlywiki, but decided 
that I was too much of a newbie to try to tackle something like that. 
Besides, I was a wee bit more interested in doing the actual research 
rather than the creating of a new Tiddlywiki (although I think that would 
be extremely fun).

Damon


On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 9:19:06 AM UTC-7, giannism...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there any plugin suitable for constructing a genealogical tree in TW5? 
> I'm trying to do this myself but I'm failing miserably.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[TW Tones]

A thought

It's a big job, and genealogy is complicated and messy.  People and their 
relationships don't fit neatly in compartments.

All of which makes me think TW is the only option.

Regards
TW Tones 

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[amreus]

I am also interested in recording people and families in TW. I'll refrain 
from calling what I do genealogy - I just collect information, pictures, 
and stories from family members and bits I find online. I'm not too 
concerned about the stories being perfectly factual and write most entries 
(tiddlers) in a free-form format with manual links to parents and children. 
This does not lend itself to producing trees or graphs, or even generated 
lists.

I did write a script in the Ruby language to convert a gedcom to a 
TiddlyWiki. It works acceptably well. Only thing is the wiki is no longer 
human editable which is important if I want to get other people involved in 
the data entry and editing. 

Creating diagrams or trees is extremely useful though and something I'd 
like to do.  I also think going straight to graphs is putting the cart 
before the horse.  There needs to be a system on place for recording basic 
facts about a person - relationships, relationship types, dates, locations, 
events, notes, sources, and so on. GEDCOM is the defacto standard for this. 
It's a fairly flexible format which is why I think it has survived over 
time, although it is not without issues. Such a system might include:

* a standard format for recording facts as fields
* standard formats for recording dates, locations, names in fields
* a set of templates for displaying and editing  people and families
* a set of helper macros to "add new person", "add person as child", "add 
as parent", etc. 
* more macros to calculate relationships between people (Person A and 
Person B are 2nd cousins)
* probably a lot more


It may be even possible to offer import and export of simplified gedcom 
files but only if said standards were rigidly adhered to. 

It's a big job, and genealogy is complicated and messy.  People and their 
relationships don't fit neatly in compartments. All of which makes me 
wonder if the use of TW is even a viable option. 

Sorry this turned into something of a random thoughts rant. Need to run, 
tho.

Thoughts?

On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:19:06 PM UTC-4, giannism...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there any plugin suitable for constructing a genealogical tree in TW5? 
> I'm trying to do this myself but I'm failing miserably.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[bimlas]

I used to have a conversation about this where I put a possible solution.

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/R0K_mAlDH1k/m/xKY3K5_RAgAJ

If you like the demo, try the Locator plugin 
 because it shows a feature of it 

.

TW Tones a következőt írta (2020. július 31., péntek, 2:39:43 UTC+2):

> There is no definitive plugin or edition to my knowledge.
>
> However it has being discussed on numerous occasions.
>
> Plugins that may make up such a solution are; 
>
>- Bimlas's The Kin operator https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-kin-filter/
>- Wikilabs TOCP macros
>
> This plugin contains several "Table of Content" macros, that have the same 
> parameters as the core toc macro. The main difference is, that it doesn't 
> use tags to create the TOC scructure. It uses a "parent" field in so called 
> "child - tiddlers".
>
> Detailed Documentation
>
> More details about this plugin can be found at: 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP More plugins, themes and 
> editions can be found at: https://wikilabs.github.io/
>
>
> Feel free to ask for more help.
>
>
> TW Tones
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 2:19:06 AM UTC+10, giannism...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Is there any plugin suitable for constructing a genealogical tree in TW5? 
>> I'm trying to do this myself but I'm failing miserably.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[TW Tones]

There is no definitive plugin or edition to my knowledge.

However it has being discussed on numerous occasions.

Plugins that may make up such a solution are; 

   - Bimlas's The Kin operator https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-kin-filter/
   - Wikilabs TOCP macros

This plugin contains several "Table of Content" macros, that have the same 
parameters as the core toc macro. The main difference is, that it doesn't 
use tags to create the TOC scructure. It uses a "parent" field in so called 
"child - tiddlers".

Detailed Documentation

More details about this plugin can be found at: 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP More plugins, themes and editions 
can be found at: https://wikilabs.github.io/


Feel free to ask for more help.


TW Tones

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 2:19:06 AM UTC+10, giannism...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there any plugin suitable for constructing a genealogical tree in TW5? 
> I'm trying to do this myself but I'm failing miserably.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[History Buff]

I have been using Tidgraph for ancestry and a macro I wrote for 
descendancy. Both work extremely well for me. I've attached a screenshot.

Damon




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> Hello everyone,
>
> Is there any plugin suitable for constructing a genealogical tree in TW5? 
> I'm trying to do this myself but I'm failing miserably.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Re: Genealogical tree?

[PMario]

Hi,

May be TiddlyMap.org may be an option: 
http://tiddlymap.org/#Using%20the%20Map%20Raster:%5B%5BUsing%20the%20Map%20Raster%5D%5D%20%5B%5BGetting%20started%5D%5D%20%5B%5BTaskManagementExample%202.0%5D%5D%20%5B%5BThink%20epic.%20Map%20your%20quests!%5D%5D%20%5B%5BMap%20your%20literature!%5D%5D%20%5B%5BCustom%20node%20icons%5D%5D

-m

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