Diego
Interesting post!
TBH, my take is that both Roam and TW matter, though in different ways.
I NEED to point out that *both are under-theorized*. What I am referring to
is that broader ideas about how "knowing & recording & associating" work
cognitively for human beings. Computer end
I agree with *David Gifford *for writing and producing tools like Roam and
Dynalist are most effective. The reason is they are focused on managing
*data* instead of visual *structure. *
When we design static websites with html/css we focus on visual *structure*.
Notion tries to strike a good
Let's not forget (as I need to too ;-) ) that it is that it is thanks to
tinkering in small part that there are such great plug-ins.
5 May 2020, 04:04 by anthony.mus...@gmail.com:
> Folks
>
> Intersting discussion. I am one of those apparently eternal tinkerers, and
> whilst I acknowledge
Thanks David.
I sniffed at Idea Stew a while ago and at 1st sight liked it. Since I also take
notes when reading a book I'll take a more in-depth look at it, when I have a
better handle on TB which I prefer to Stroll, at this stage anyway.
BTW I have started incorporating your popup tooltip
Folks
Intersting discussion. I am one of those apparently eternal tinkerers, and
whilst I acknowledge tiddlywiki can take you down many rabbit holes to
detrimental levels, I want to defend the tinkering, deeply.
My tinkering has goals;
Become expert in tiddlywiki
Support the community
Treat it
Hi Peter
I was looking all over for this post in other threads. I finally found it
buried here.
Yes, I created a lot of confusion, didn't I? Here are descriptions that
will hopefully distinguish the terms:
1. TiddlyBlink: my original Roam imitator TiddlyWiki, created I think in
January or
In my very short acquaintance with TiddlyWiki I've had the following arc so
far:
* use the basic tools: mainly linking, simple transclusion
* learn how to do some complicated stuff (this took a lot of effort for me)
(no, seriously, a LOT of effort)
* discover that there are built-in ways to
Let's face it. The problem isn't the software. The problem is us. Tinkering
will almost always be more interesting than the actual work ;-)
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I do agree the fact that you can tinker with TW so much is probably part of
why some people are drawn to it in the first place, but as for myself I can
definitely see an reversed correlation between time spent tinkering and
time spent actually writing in TW. :)
That being said, what I like
any technology choice can be used to be used to create busy work, for
example I spent a lot of time at my old job working on a documentation
system for a quality management system (ISO 9001). Did it matter almost no
one ever used it? No because it just had to exist for auditing purposes.
One thing to remember with this group is that there is a huge selection
bias toward people who want to tinker with tiddlywiki, otherwise they
wouldn't post here. I think that most people who use it are like Felicity,
who uses it all the time but doesn't have any need for anything past
tagging,
Before I made Bob about 90% of what I did with tiddlywiki was making new
things and tinkering. Now it is mainly note taking and documentation. I am
not sure how much of that is Bob and how much of that is a change in my
work. But having the tools ready makes a huge difference.
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David,
how does Idea Stew fit into all this?
I understand TiddlyBlink is a completed project, nothing new will be added but
it will continue to exist. It is in effect superseded by Stroll. Will Idea Stew
continue to exist in parallel with the other 2? Is it also considered a
completed project?
Birthe,
Good point. That's what has struck me about what's going on with some TW users:
tinkering for the sake of tinkering. A priori there is nothing wrong with that,
but at the end of the day I still look upon TW as a tool to get a job done. One
can drive in the fanciest automobile, but at
I looked into Notion and quickly saw that it would become just that, busy
work.
I also echo everyone else's sentiments that TiddlyWiki has the same effect
on me. Endless tweaking.
I find for writing / producing, an outliner like Dynalist or Roam is best.
For taking notes on reading, I am
Birthe C wrote:
>
> *By far the biggest gripe I have is that a tool should be a means to an
>> end and get out of the way—but with Notion building the tool often becomes
>> the end in itself.*
>>
>
> Something we could recognise?
>
What on earth are you talking about, Birthe?
Joking aside:
Diego,
When I read the following:
*By far the biggest gripe I have is that a tool should be a means to an end
> and get out of the way—but with Notion building the tool often becomes the
> end in itself.*
>
Something we could recognise?
Birthe
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