Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Alex

Would it be possible to remove single tags instead of all in the same way?

If I put my finger on the link in your second tiddler a little bit longer,
I get a Red Screen of Death with this message:
ReferenceError: Can't find variable: evt

(iOS on iPhone) – I have no idea about why this happens, just wanted to let
you know.

All the best!
Thomas

Alex Hough  schrieb am Mi. 19. Apr. 2017 um 19:50:

> Here's something to play with: drop onto a delete button to remove all tags
>
> Demo here : https://alexhough.github.io/DropToDelete.html
>
>
> Alex
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Alex, its a very neat practical instance of applying the new functions 
available.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:50:46 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>
> Here's something to play with: drop onto a delete button to remove all tags
>
> Demo here : https://alexhough.github.io/DropToDelete.html
>
>
> Alex
>
> On 18 April 2017 at 21:21, Douglas Counts  > wrote:
>
>> I would also be awesome if the order of the table of contents could be 
>> rearranged with Drag and Drop.  Doing so would make it incredibly easy to 
>> customize that tab for a myriad of purposes.
>>
>> Perhaps to drag current TOC items to the top of the list. Arrange the TOC 
>> alphabetically with Drag and Drop, etc.  Not having to use macros to do 
>> this would make TiddlyWiki more accessible to your basic user.
>>
>> -Doug
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Alex Hough]

Here's something to play with: drop onto a delete button to remove all tags

Demo here : https://alexhough.github.io/DropToDelete.html


Alex

On 18 April 2017 at 21:21, Douglas Counts  wrote:

> I would also be awesome if the order of the table of contents could be
> rearranged with Drag and Drop.  Doing so would make it incredibly easy to
> customize that tab for a myriad of purposes.
>
> Perhaps to drag current TOC items to the top of the list. Arrange the TOC
> alphabetically with Drag and Drop, etc.  Not having to use macros to do
> this would make TiddlyWiki more accessible to your basic user.
>
> -Doug
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Douglas Counts]

I would also be awesome if the order of the table of contents could be 
rearranged with Drag and Drop.  Doing so would make it incredibly easy to 
customize that tab for a myriad of purposes.

Perhaps to drag current TOC items to the top of the list. Arrange the TOC 
alphabetically with Drag and Drop, etc.  Not having to use macros to do 
this would make TiddlyWiki more accessible to your basic user.

-Doug

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

AlexHough wrote:

*When titles are links they can be dragged into TagPills*
>

Hah! That's really cool Thanks for reporting Alex!

BTW, I *always* set "titles as links". I can't see why one would not want 
this - other than having blue titles which is a styling matter and not a 
functionality matter.

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Jeff Vance]

Thanks for pointing these out Alex. I didn't realize so many new 
possibilities were opening up with this feature.  I completely agree with 
your point on the ability to change the name of the tag tiddler. I run into 
this problem all the time. I start collecting and grouping things, only 
later changing how I want to classify them.  Up until now I relied heavily 
on the RenameTags tiddler that was previously posted in the community.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[jarcoughhaggis]

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 12:33:14 AM UTC+3, Mat wrote:
>
> A discovery; When dropping into an edit field, the titles appear without 
> [[space capturing brackets]] .
>
> Again... let me express how happy I am with this addition. I think it is 
> super cool as it is and I expect super cool things to evolve from it. 
>
> <:-)
>

THanks for the heads-up, I had been planning to ask for this feature, but 
one must be patient, I suppose. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

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I encourage DnD :-)

Mat wrote:

> ... a newcomer should better focus on TW5 and encourage developing DnD to 
> enable TiddlyDocs functionality in TW5.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> what could a newcomer do with that? :-)
>

TiddlyDocs would e.g let you author a book by first making an outline of 
chapters and subsections. Then fill in stuff gradually and easily rearrange 
the outline.
The main point - at least IMO - was/is that you can get a linear document 
in this otherwise wonderfully non-linear tool. Linearity is, of course, 
necessary in many situations like, say, books or discussion threads.

If your question was more about what a newcomer can do with TiddlyDocs as 
that old relic stands today, I'd say that a newcomer should better focus on 
TW5 and encourage developing DnD to enable TiddlyDocs functionality in TW5.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

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what could a newcomer do with that? :-)

Mat wrote:

... that reminds me of TiddlyDocs ! A *very* fascinating project from many 
> years ago.
>
> Check this out:
>
> Video-intro  by Simon 
> McManus to the original 
>  creation 
> (sorry, dead link).
> Here  is an attempted remake by 
> me (in TW classic)
> .and this  
> is a discussion from 2014 that finishes off with @Jeremy talking about DnD 
> in TW5 that should let us make TiddlyDocs one day!!! ;-)
>
> To have the TW5 ToC macros feature DnD would be fantastic. It would make 
> it very easy to author stories, papers, articles.. really any linear 
> document... piece wise.  
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

Jeff Vance wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking of what might be a convenient way of taking advantage of 
> the drag-and-drop. One that came to mind is when you're writing a document 
> and you want to draft each section in a different tiddler. In the writing 
> process, you inevitably will need to reorganize sections or insert 
> sections. Each section of the document could be tagged by a Table of 
> Contents tiddler that lists all the sections in order.  With drag-and-drop, 
> it sounds like you could simply drag the order of the sections in the TOC 
> and it can save the new order in a field.  Then when you're done, you can 
> transclude all the sections in the correct order to export the final draft.
>


Jeff, that reminds me of TiddlyDocs ! A *very* fascinating project from 
many years ago.

Check this out:

Video-intro  by Simon McManus 
to the original 
 creation 
(sorry, dead link).
Here  is an attempted remake by 
me (in TW classic)
.and this  
is a discussion from 2014 that finishes off with @Jeremy talking about DnD 
in TW5 that should let us make TiddlyDocs one day!!! ;-)

To have the TW5 ToC macros feature DnD would be fantastic. It would make it 
very easy to author stories, papers, articles.. really any linear 
document... piece wise.  

<:-)


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

['Sergey Shishkin' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi, Jeremy.

Is it possible to include in the 14th release the ability to install a 
hidden sidbar when opening a wiki? For example, in Control Panel> Settings> 
add Default Sidebar (show or hide).

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/o4TqjuO7sZM

Best wishes

Sergey

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Jeff Vance]

I was thinking of what might be a convenient way of taking advantage of the 
drag-and-drop. One that came to mind is when you're writing a document and 
you want to draft each section in a different tiddler. In the writing 
process, you inevitably will need to reorganize sections or insert 
sections. Each section of the document could be tagged by a Table of 
Contents tiddler that lists all the sections in order.  With drag-and-drop, 
it sounds like you could simply drag the order of the sections in the TOC 
and it can save the new order in a field.  Then when you're done, you can 
transclude all the sections in the correct order to export the final draft.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 1:30:26 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 1:21:26 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>>
>> An option to have the dropping cause relocation would be neat. (And it 
>> would probably allow for a desktop drag-to-garbage can!)
>>
>
> hmm, 
> Since d primarily uses tags and many tiddlers have multiple tags, they 
> should be _not_ relocated, since this means removing the tag. ... For me 
> this wouldn't be preferable. 
>
> ... but ... having different modifiers eg: ctrl d copy, shift d 
> move, alt d ... ???, ctrl-shift d ??, alt-shift d ??? may be 
> useful settings. .. If those states can be recognised.
>

Good point! (And, it probably points to a weakness in how we use tags but 
that's another story.) but as you say, one could imagine optional 
modifiers, either via keyboard commands. Another idea could be some visual 
option buttons appearing as you drop that take into account if the dropping 
zone is withing the same list or on some other place where you might want 
to rid the tag after all. A third idea, or perhaps one including the two 
former, could be a $droppable paramter such as "untag=yes". Needs more 
thinking. 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[PMario]

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 1:21:26 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> An option to have the dropping cause relocation would be neat. (And it 
> would probably allow for a desktop drag-to-garbage can!)
>

hmm, 
Since d primarily uses tags and many tiddlers have multiple tags, they 
should be _not_ relocated, since this means removing the tag. ... For me 
this wouldn't be preferable. 

... but ... having different modifiers eg: ctrl d copy, shift d 
move, alt d ... ???, ctrl-shift d ??, alt-shift d ??? may be 
useful settings. .. If those states can be recognised.

-mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

@Jeremy

I just realized DnD is limited to *copying* the title into the new place. 
It does not seem possible to *relocate a title from one list to another* 
which means one has to manually edit the source list (after locating 
wherever it resides!) to delete the item.

However, within a list it is (understandably) the other way around; DnD 
relocates rather than copies.

An option to have the dropping cause relocation would be neat. (And it 
would probably allow for a desktop drag-to-garbage can!)

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[AltugOz]

Hi Mat,

I believe what you are describing i.e. pasting an image into the editor window, 
can currently be done when editing HTML tiddlers using ckeditor (through the 
VisualEditor plugin).

Any pasted image is encoded in base64, embedded within the tiddler and 
displayed in the editor window. You can scale it and apply custom styles etc. 
What this doesn't do however is to create a separate image tiddler with that 
image's content. Still, this workflow works for my purposes as I don't reuse 
images within the wiki very often.

Best,
Altug

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

Jeremy wrote:
>
>
> However, "paste from clipboard” has been in TiddlyWiki5 for a few years. 
> Up until recently it only worked in Chrome, but now it seems to work in 
> Firefox too.
>
> To try it out, copy an image to the clipboard, and then click on a 
> TiddlyWiki window background, and use the menu or shortcut key for paste, 
> and you should get an import tiddler for importing that image.
>

Hah - that was news to me! I'm glad it works but I made the assumption that 
I think most people make namely that pasting "should" work like in github, 
gmail, text editors etc i.e that one pastes into the *editor *as is done 
when pasting text. For anyone compelled to make a plugin, is it at all 
possible to apply a separate drop zone to the text editor? (What exactly 
should happen when an image is dropped is another matter, I think.)

Interestingly, pasting into Chrome creates a tiddler named "Untitled" 
whereas pasting into FF creates "image.png". Is that a browser design 
matter or TW? Nice with informative metadata in default names.

Thanks!

<:-)



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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mat

> In e.g github it is possible to press Ctrl-v to paste images from 
> clipboard/memory. I'm thinking this has similarities with drag'n drop, i.e 
> I'm assuming drag'n drop also temporarily holds something in some memory and 
> then copies from memory into where it is dropped.
> 
> So, I'm wondering if this new functionality lays the ground for 
> paste-image-from-clipboard or if that is a whole different matter?

Drag and drop is indeed implemented similarly to clipboard operations.

However, "paste from clipboard” has been in TiddlyWiki5 for a few years. Up 
until recently it only worked in Chrome, but now it seems to work in Firefox 
too.

To try it out, copy an image to the clipboard, and then click on a TiddlyWiki 
window background, and use the menu or shortcut key for paste, and you should 
get an import tiddler for importing that image.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

@Jeremy

In e.g github it is possible to press Ctrl-v to paste images from 
clipboard/memory. I'm thinking this has similarities with drag'n drop, i.e 
I'm assuming drag'n drop also temporarily holds something in some memory 
and then copies from memory into where it is dropped.

So, I'm wondering if this new functionality lays the ground for 
paste-image-from-clipboard or if that is a whole different matter?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Atul Grover]

Thank you Jeremy and BJ!! Took me some time to comprehend...now I realize 
how I can use this great utility, especially in my project.

Thanks


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

Updating my error report from a few days ago.  Can anybody confirm these 
problems:

Win10
- drag tagpill into sidebar does not work in Edge or IE. (It works in FF 
and Chrome!)
- red JS error in Edge when attempting to use drag'n drop all togehter. 
Error message "Element not found"

Prevously, the tagpill part also didn't work for FF, for me. In other 
words, the problems now seem limited to Edge or IE, which are historically 
not the best browsers for TW anyway. 

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Jeremy

I have only a minor issue with the demo: When I point on the left of a list 
item and drag, it works as expected – when I point on the right side of an 
element it *jumps* to the right when I start dragging so that it feels much 
less smooth. 

Great features!
Thomas 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Xavier Cazin]

H
​i Jeremy,
​

>
> After playing with it for a while, a request for an additional
> functionality arose: being able to restrict the dragged tiddlers to be
> accepted in certain droppable areas while being refused in others. I guess
> I could use a state parameter with the <$draggable> widget, and
> whitelist/blacklist parameters with the <$droppable> widget.
>
>
> That’s my thinking too. I think we need two capabilities:
>
> * Adding a “type” attribute to the draggable widget, and an “acceptType”
> attribute to the droppable widget
> * Adding a filter to the droppable widget that is applied to incoming
> tiddlers so that they can be checked (eg only accepting tiddlers with a
> given tag)
>

​Yes!​


> Also, for the record, being able to use drag and drop on phones and
> tablets would be nice :-)
>
>
> I did find this shim that implements the HTML5 drag and drop APIs on
> mobile browsers, both iOS and Android:
>
> https://github.com/timruffles/ios-html5-drag-drop-shim
>
> Does the demo work for you?
>
> http://timruffles.github.io/ios-html5-drag-drop-shim/enter-leave/
>

​Indeed, the demo works very smoothly on every browsers I have got
installed on my Android 5.1 phone!

Have a good day
​-- Xavier​.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Xavier

Thanks for the feedback

> After playing with it for a while, a request for an additional functionality 
> arose: being able to restrict the dragged tiddlers to be accepted in certain 
> droppable areas while being refused in others. I guess I could use a state 
> parameter with the <$draggable> widget, and whitelist/blacklist parameters 
> with the <$droppable> widget.

That’s my thinking too. I think we need two capabilities:

* Adding a “type” attribute to the draggable widget, and an “acceptType” 
attribute to the droppable widget
* Adding a filter to the droppable widget that is applied to incoming tiddlers 
so that they can be checked (eg only accepting tiddlers with a given tag)

> Also, for the record, being able to use drag and drop on phones and tablets 
> would be nice :-)

I did find this shim that implements the HTML5 drag and drop APIs on mobile 
browsers, both iOS and Android:

https://github.com/timruffles/ios-html5-drag-drop-shim

Does the demo work for you?

http://timruffles.github.io/ios-html5-drag-drop-shim/enter-leave/

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- Xavier Cazin
> 
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
> Many thanks for the feedback. I’ve posted an update to 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  with a 
> few changes:
> 
> * Added support for dragging items to the end of lists
> * Added support for using drag and drop to reorder toolbar buttons in Control 
> Panel, Appearance, Toolbars
> * Added some macros for draggable lists:
> ** based on a list field: 
> list-links-draggable(tiddler,field:"list",type:"ul",subtype:"li",class:"",itemTemplate)
> ** based on a tags field, with sorting via the companion list field: 
> list-tagged-draggable(tag,itemTemplate)
> * Fixed: Lack of [[quoting]] for tiddler titles dragged into a text box, 
> reported by Mat
> * Fixed: Crash with dragging text snippets, reported by Mario
> 
> I’d welcome any thoughts about other opportunities to improve other areas of 
> the UI with drag and drop.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 20 Mar 2017, at 16:45, Alex Hough > > wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent!
>> Well done Jeremy and BJ!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> On 20 March 2017 at 12:25, Matthew Lauber > > wrote:
>> Ooh, I have some things to build with this Thanks Jeremy!
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> I’m very happy to announce much better core support for drag-and-drop in 
>> 5.1.14, with quite a few new features for end users:
>> 
>> * drag and drop the entries in the “open” sidebar list to rearrange the 
>> ordering of the open tiddlers
>> * drag tiddler titles into the “open” sidebar list to open those tiddlers at 
>> a chosen position in the story river
>> * drag and drop the entries in a tag dropdown to rearrange the ordering of 
>> the tagged items
>> * drag tiddler titles into the open tag dropdown to add that tag to those 
>> tiddlers
>> * drag a tag pill to drag all of the tiddlers that carry that tag. This 
>> feature can be used to drag multiple tiddlers between wikis in separate 
>> windows, or to drag multiple items in the scenarios above
>> 
>> I’ve posted a prerelease so that you can try the new functionality; I’d 
>> welcome any feedback:
>> 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>> 
>> I’ve yet to add any documentation for the components that make up these new 
>> features:
>> 
>> * <$draggable> widget
>> * <$droppable> widget
>> * insertbefore filter operator
>>  
>> You can see the detailed changes in the commit log:
>> 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/eba1c3c160c63ac3dfc15f55df086971a832d657
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Drag-and-drop has been on the todo list for a long time. BJ released an 
>> enhancement of the list widget that supported drag and drop a year or two 
>> ago, and it had been my itntention to engineer it into the core. As it has 
>> turned out, the eventual implementation is more granular, adding a handful 
>> of new primitives that can be combined together and with existing components 
>> to produce various effects.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>> 
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Matt Groth]

Thank you Jeremy and contributors! So excited to test this out!

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

['c pa' via TiddlyWiki]

Jeff,

Notice in the demo that Jeremy has defined a macro called drop-actions() 
that specifically edits the contents of that list field. That macro is then 
called in the associated droppable widget. 

\define drop-actions()
<$action-listops $tiddler="Days of the Week" 
$subfilter="+[insertbefore:currentTiddler<*actionTiddler*>]"/>
\end

<$droppable actions=<>>

There seems to be a special variable, *actionTiddler*, that corresponds to 
the list of tiddler titles being dropped. So yes, you do need to identify 
some container to hold the ordered list but that container can be a 
tiddler's text, a list field, or an index. (I can't think of any other 
out-of-the-box containers) You may perhaps be able to pass it to a button 
or other widget but that would need some testing to figure out how that 
works.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Jeff Vance]

Quick question:  Does the drag and drop only work when the filter is based 
on the contents of a field? It appears to be the case. I see in the demo it 
grabs all the days of the week from the List field and drag/drop saves the 
new order in that field.  So what if you use a filter that doesn't get the 
order from a field? I'm guessing it won't work since there is no way to 
save the state of the new ordering.  So I assume that if you want to make 
any list draggable, you must save the filtered list to a field first.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Atul

Please could you start a new thread if you’re posting about a new topic?

Thank you,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 21 Mar 2017, at 15:31, Atul Grover  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
>  
> 
> Is there any "Theme tweak options" or "Default Sidebar Tab actions" which 
> will make the TW more suitable for mobiles wherein the sidebar open/close 
> from the side rather than becoming visible/hidden at the top?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Just by making this minor change TW will become much appropriate for mobile 
> devices.
> 
> Better still if TW could automatically shift to such functionality when 
> opened on a mobile device.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> Atul
> 
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Atul Grover]

Hi Jeremy,

 

Is there any "Theme tweak options" or "Default Sidebar Tab actions" which 
will make the TW more suitable for mobiles wherein the sidebar open/close 
from the side rather than becoming visible/hidden at the top?


Just by making this minor change TW will become much appropriate for mobile 
devices.

Better still if TW could automatically shift to such functionality when 
opened on a mobile device.

 

Regards

Atul

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[David Szego]

Thrilled to hear this, great work!

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

@Jeremy - thanks for updates!

Some new issues though:
The very thing you show in the animation in your last post does not seem to 
work in (Win10) FF, Edge or IE. (In chrome it does work.)
Further, I get the red JS error in Edge when attempting to relocate an item 
within tab Open.

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Alex Hough]

Excellent!
Well done Jeremy and BJ!



Alex

On 20 March 2017 at 12:25, Matthew Lauber  wrote:

> Ooh, I have some things to build with this Thanks Jeremy!
>
> Matt
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I’m very happy to announce much better core support for drag-and-drop in
>> 5.1.14, with quite a few new features for end users:
>>
>> * drag and drop the entries in the “open” sidebar list to rearrange the
>> ordering of the open tiddlers
>> * drag tiddler titles into the “open” sidebar list to open those tiddlers
>> at a chosen position in the story river
>> * drag and drop the entries in a tag dropdown to rearrange the ordering
>> of the tagged items
>> * drag tiddler titles into the open tag dropdown to add that tag to those
>> tiddlers
>> * drag a tag pill to drag all of the tiddlers that carry that tag. This
>> feature can be used to drag multiple tiddlers between wikis in separate
>> windows, or to drag multiple items in the scenarios above
>>
>> I’ve posted a prerelease so that you can try the new functionality; I’d
>> welcome any feedback:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> I’ve yet to add any documentation for the components that make up these
>> new features:
>>
>> * <$draggable> widget
>> * <$droppable> widget
>> * insertbefore filter operator
>>
>> You can see the detailed changes in the commit log:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/eba1c3c160c6
>> 3ac3dfc15f55df086971a832d657
>>
>> Drag-and-drop has been on the todo list for a long time. BJ released an
>> enhancement of the list widget that supported drag and drop a year or two
>> ago, and it had been my itntention to engineer it into the core. As it has
>> turned out, the eventual implementation is more granular, adding a handful
>> of new primitives that can be combined together and with existing
>> components to produce various effects.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Matthew Lauber]

Ooh, I have some things to build with this Thanks Jeremy!

Matt

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m very happy to announce much better core support for drag-and-drop in 
> 5.1.14, with quite a few new features for end users:
>
> * drag and drop the entries in the “open” sidebar list to rearrange the 
> ordering of the open tiddlers
> * drag tiddler titles into the “open” sidebar list to open those tiddlers 
> at a chosen position in the story river
> * drag and drop the entries in a tag dropdown to rearrange the ordering of 
> the tagged items
> * drag tiddler titles into the open tag dropdown to add that tag to those 
> tiddlers
> * drag a tag pill to drag all of the tiddlers that carry that tag. This 
> feature can be used to drag multiple tiddlers between wikis in separate 
> windows, or to drag multiple items in the scenarios above
>
> I’ve posted a prerelease so that you can try the new functionality; I’d 
> welcome any feedback:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> I’ve yet to add any documentation for the components that make up these 
> new features:
>
> * <$draggable> widget
> * <$droppable> widget
> * insertbefore filter operator
>  
> You can see the detailed changes in the commit log:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/eba1c3c160c63ac3dfc15f55df086971a832d657
>
> Drag-and-drop has been on the todo list for a long time. BJ released an 
> enhancement of the list widget that supported drag and drop a year or two 
> ago, and it had been my itntention to engineer it into the core. As it has 
> turned out, the eventual implementation is more granular, adding a handful 
> of new primitives that can be combined together and with existing 
> components to produce various effects.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Handoko Suwono]

I asked once about drag and drop, so I am reposting to following the 
updates. 

"A friend asked. Is there any chance to use TW with the drop and drag 
functions or I don't know how? I think it's about anything related to drop 
and drag' and possibly related to work with tiddly desktop or the new 
beaker browser on OSx."


Thanks.

handoko -

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 2:51:21 AM UTC+7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m very happy to announce much better core support for drag-and-drop in 
> 5.1.14, with quite a few new features for end users:
>
> * drag and drop the entries in the “open” sidebar list to rearrange the 
> ordering of the open tiddlers
> * drag tiddler titles into the “open” sidebar list to open those tiddlers 
> at a chosen position in the story river
> * drag and drop the entries in a tag dropdown to rearrange the ordering of 
> the tagged items
> * drag tiddler titles into the open tag dropdown to add that tag to those 
> tiddlers
> * drag a tag pill to drag all of the tiddlers that carry that tag. This 
> feature can be used to drag multiple tiddlers between wikis in separate 
> windows, or to drag multiple items in the scenarios above
>
> I’ve posted a prerelease so that you can try the new functionality; I’d 
> welcome any feedback:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> I’ve yet to add any documentation for the components that make up these 
> new features:
>
> * <$draggable> widget
> * <$droppable> widget
> * insertbefore filter operator
>  
> You can see the detailed changes in the commit log:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/eba1c3c160c63ac3dfc15f55df086971a832d657
>
> Drag-and-drop has been on the todo list for a long time. BJ released an 
> enhancement of the list widget that supported drag and drop a year or two 
> ago, and it had been my itntention to engineer it into the core. As it has 
> turned out, the eventual implementation is more granular, adding a handful 
> of new primitives that can be combined together and with existing 
> components to produce various effects.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[BJ]

Nicely Done!


On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:51:21 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m very happy to announce much better core support for drag-and-drop in 
> 5.1.14, with quite a few new features for end users:
>
> * drag and drop the entries in the “open” sidebar list to rearrange the 
> ordering of the open tiddlers
> * drag tiddler titles into the “open” sidebar list to open those tiddlers 
> at a chosen position in the story river
> * drag and drop the entries in a tag dropdown to rearrange the ordering of 
> the tagged items
> * drag tiddler titles into the open tag dropdown to add that tag to those 
> tiddlers
> * drag a tag pill to drag all of the tiddlers that carry that tag. This 
> feature can be used to drag multiple tiddlers between wikis in separate 
> windows, or to drag multiple items in the scenarios above
>
> I’ve posted a prerelease so that you can try the new functionality; I’d 
> welcome any feedback:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> I’ve yet to add any documentation for the components that make up these 
> new features:
>
> * <$draggable> widget
> * <$droppable> widget
> * insertbefore filter operator
>  
> You can see the detailed changes in the commit log:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/eba1c3c160c63ac3dfc15f55df086971a832d657
>
> Drag-and-drop has been on the todo list for a long time. BJ released an 
> enhancement of the list widget that supported drag and drop a year or two 
> ago, and it had been my itntention to engineer it into the core. As it has 
> turned out, the eventual implementation is more granular, adding a handful 
> of new primitives that can be combined together and with existing 
> components to produce various effects.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Never mind -- I get it now.

Thanks!
Mark

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:57:25 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It keeps getting better!
>
> I think I need this one explained:
>
> drag tiddler titles into the open tag dropdown to add that tag to those 
> tiddlers
>
> I could drag a tiddler into the dropdown tiddler box and the title would 
> appear -- but I still have to press "add" to add it. When dragging foreign 
> language titles they would show up with the  square brackets in the tag 
> name.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It keeps getting better!

I think I need this one explained:

drag tiddler titles into the open tag dropdown to add that tag to those 
tiddlers

I could drag a tiddler into the dropdown tiddler box and the title would 
appear -- but I still have to press "add" to add it. When dragging foreign 
language titles they would show up with the  square brackets in the tag 
name.

Thanks!
Mark

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Jeff Vance]

 I'm very excited to use these new features. One odd thing I noticed:  I 
just experimented with dragging the entries in a tag drop down list. I 
noticed that it isn't possible to drag a title directly to the end of the 
list. You have to instead drag it to be 2nd to last, then drag the last 
entry up. Not really a big deal, but I'm assuming maybe that wasn't 
intended.

Cheers!
Jeff

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

A discovery; When dropping into an edit field, the titles appear without 
[[space capturing brackets]] .

Again... let me express how happy I am with this addition. I think it is 
super cool as it is and I expect super cool things to evolve from it. 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Core drag-and-drop improvements

[Mat]

Yes! Yes! Yes!!! Thank you Jeremy and BJ!!!

...and...

> drag a tag pill to drag all of the tiddlers that carry that tag. This 
feature can be used to drag multiple tiddlers between wikis in separate 
windows, or to drag multiple items in the scenarios above

KA-BM! Suddenly *anyone* can make "unpackaged plugins" ! This is HUGE!

A quick first testing in Chrome and FF, including some attempts to break 
it, looks great.

<:-D

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