[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Lost Admin

Happy to see my TW-daughter featured on your baby project :–)

And it is o.k. you call me TE – I recognized myself instantly. 

Happy parenting and adopting everyone!
Thomas

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Lost Admin

Thank you for that detailed outlay.

Truly I think better knowing what people are doing with TW and its 
"Children" will do masses to get it appreciated more. Both by "us"and by 
"them" (potential new users).

And your Bonus Point bears repeating ...

Lost Admin wrote:
> As a bonus, a couple of my co-workers saw my tiddlywiki I'm using to keep 
> track of all the things I care about at work. They liked it and asked about 
> it. So one of the daughters has had a couple of daughters. :-)
>

Best wishes
Josiah

On Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:17:38 UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> If it makes you feel any better Josiah (can I just call you Joss?),
>
> As a result of you all teaching me how to do things with TiddlyWiki I have 
> 5 separate "daughter" wikis. 4 are doing quite well and 1 is still a baby. 
> Only the baby is truely public for you to see.
>
> 1) A Wiki to help me keep track of my media collection (only available on 
> my internal home network). I have a bunch of DVDs and Bluerays (and a few 
> VHS tapes still). Not all have been converted and imported into my media 
> server. The Wiki helps me keep track of which ones have been import. It 
> also helps me save money as I can look at it on my phone when I'm at the 
> store so I don't buy a DVD/Blueray of a movie that I've already got (I did 
> this 3 times before I make the wiki).
>
> 2) A Wiki to help me keep track of the characters I've got in the MMORPG 
> Dungeons and Dragons Online. That game lets me have up to 54 characters and 
> other players can have even more (so could I if I paid some extra money). 
>
> 3) A Wiki I created to keep track of all my business information when I 
> was an independent consultant. I was earning enough it made sense to 
> incorporate, the wiki track all the information and timelines related to 
> incorporating. I have since taken a full time position which brings us to 
> ...
>
> 4) The full time job I took involves working on a bunch of project 
> simultaneously and tracking specific items for each project. While the 
> company does have a tool that does a pretty good job at tracking the 
> details within each project, they don't have a good solution that meets my 
> needs for tracking all the projects themselves (they have some good tools 
> for project managers but that's not what I do and those tools don't fit my 
> needs.
>
> 5) The baby. This one came into existence because someone on this list 
> wanted people to test his (her?) new tool for putting TW5 instances on 
> Tiddlyspot.com. I created one. This one you can see, its 
> http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/.
>
>
> As a bonus, a couple of my co-workers saw my tiddlywiki I'm using to keep 
> track of all the things I care about at work. They liked it and asked about 
> it. So one of the daughters has had a couple of daughters. :-)
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> The metaphorical matrix of TiddlyWiki has a peculiarity.
>>
>> We spend an awful lot of time re-creating "Mother" in a fitter form.
>>
>> We spend very little time assessing whether Mother's Children succeeded.
>>
>> I would like to think that Our Daughters were doing well, but there seems 
>> to be no posts home to be sure about that.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[Lost Admin]

If it makes you feel any better Josiah (can I just call you Joss?),

As a result of you all teaching me how to do things with TiddlyWiki I have 
5 separate "daughter" wikis. 4 are doing quite well and 1 is still a baby. 
Only the baby is truely public for you to see.

1) A Wiki to help me keep track of my media collection (only available on 
my internal home network). I have a bunch of DVDs and Bluerays (and a few 
VHS tapes still). Not all have been converted and imported into my media 
server. The Wiki helps me keep track of which ones have been import. It 
also helps me save money as I can look at it on my phone when I'm at the 
store so I don't buy a DVD/Blueray of a movie that I've already got (I did 
this 3 times before I make the wiki).

2) A Wiki to help me keep track of the characters I've got in the MMORPG 
Dungeons and Dragons Online. That game lets me have up to 54 characters and 
other players can have even more (so could I if I paid some extra money). 

3) A Wiki I created to keep track of all my business information when I was 
an independent consultant. I was earning enough it made sense to 
incorporate, the wiki track all the information and timelines related to 
incorporating. I have since taken a full time position which brings us to 
...

4) The full time job I took involves working on a bunch of project 
simultaneously and tracking specific items for each project. While the 
company does have a tool that does a pretty good job at tracking the 
details within each project, they don't have a good solution that meets my 
needs for tracking all the projects themselves (they have some good tools 
for project managers but that's not what I do and those tools don't fit my 
needs.

5) The baby. This one came into existence because someone on this list 
wanted people to test his (her?) new tool for putting TW5 instances on 
Tiddlyspot.com. I created one. This one you can see, its 
http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/.


As a bonus, a couple of my co-workers saw my tiddlywiki I'm using to keep 
track of all the things I care about at work. They liked it and asked about 
it. So one of the daughters has had a couple of daughters. :-)




On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> The metaphorical matrix of TiddlyWiki has a peculiarity.
>
> We spend an awful lot of time re-creating "Mother" in a fitter form.
>
> We spend very little time assessing whether Mother's Children succeeded.
>
> I would like to think that Our Daughters were doing well, but there seems 
> to be no posts home to be sure about that.
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[stefct4]

Hi,

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 2:34:46 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>
>> We spend very little time assessing whether Mother's Children succeeded.
>>
>
> I agree with this and it is possibly a huge problem. One problem is that 
> we don't know if it is a huge problem. One problem we *do* know is that 
> we don't have the tools for such assessment.
>

A public directory, to which people could submit their (publicly available) 
tiddlywikis, might help, basically an extended version of this: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Examples 

PmWiki has two such directories:
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PmWikiUsers
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/SuccessStories

Many people like to showcase their work and generate traffic to their 
sites, after all. On the other hand, maintaining such a directory would 
involve some work (e. g. fighting spam).

Cheers, 

Stef

 

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[Mat]

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> We spend very little time assessing whether Mother's Children succeeded.
>

I agree with this and it is possibly a huge problem. One problem is that we 
don't know if it is a huge problem. One problem we *do* know is that we 
don't have the tools for such assessment.

I guess it's part of TWs current nature; TW is typically a private matter 
in at least two critical senses: It typically contains private data and it 
is typically stored as a private file. Come to think of it, maybe NSA or 
KGB have loads of valuable stuff on TW offspring.

As usual, I think TWederation is a potential stepping stone to improve 
this. Once we start to connect our TWs it will be much easier to measure 
things.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Greg

Its likely mostly because I use a format most people never do. I have three 
desktop screens. One always in portrait. Its very good for bringing out the 
devil you never thought you had :-). 

Josiah

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 23:23:32 UTC+2, Greg Davis wrote:
>
> Thanks Josiah,
>
> Intersting, at 320 by 480 and 360 by 640 and 768 by 1024 in "Reponsive 
> Design Mode" it goes into TiddlyWiki's default "mobile mode" with menu over 
> content. At least that happens on my PC.
>
> It has been awhile since discussions on designing for mobile (phone) use. 
> I don't remember at what screen width TiddlyWiki would automatically 
> switch. That was the reason I kept a menu in the right sidebar.
>
> First reponse I received with a problem. Thanks for the heads-up.
>
> Greg
>

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[Greg Davis]

Thanks Josiah,

Intersting, at 320 by 480 and 360 by 640 and 768 by 1024 in "Reponsive 
Design Mode" it goes into TiddlyWiki's default "mobile mode" with menu over 
content. At least that happens on my PC.

It has been awhile since discussions on designing for mobile (phone) use. I 
don't remember at what screen width TiddlyWiki would automatically switch. 
That was the reason I kept a menu in the right sidebar.

First reponse I received with a problem. Thanks for the heads-up.

Greg

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[@TiddlyTweeter]

rather than bleed it gets cut in portrait. its not a big deal. what ratio 
is the USER using? That is what matters unless they want folk reading it on 
mobile phones.





On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:55:59 UTC+2, Greg Davis wrote:
>
> I think if you toggle to the menu in the right sidebar, it is useable. At 
> least appears to be when viewed in small portrait screen in Firefox's 
> Redponsive Design Mode.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 3:42:12 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> They work well on standard widescreens (in portrait not so good as your 
>> get bleed form the menu). Its good to see them though! The MAIN point is 
>> they do what the user needs. 
>>
>> I wish we got to see these everyday. Everyday they are used.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:29:32 UTC+2, Greg Davis wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Josiah,
>>>
>>> Well, if you're looking for examples of Tiddlywikis. Helped a friend 
>>> create a couple. They don't quite follow standard TiddlyWiki design, they 
>>> grew bigger than I initially envisioned. (They also need some updating.) 
>>> They were meant to be downloaded for reference off-line. They include many 
>>> embedded pictures so are LARGE.
>>>
>>> A Quick Start Guide,aimed at new users, and a Developer's Guide:
>>>
>>> http://portable3d.tiddlyspot.com
>>>
>>> http://portable3dev.tiddlyspot.com
>>>
>>> Not necessarily something that someone could reuse, but is an example of 
>>> what can be done.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[Greg Davis]

I think if you toggle to the menu in the right sidebar, it is useable. At 
least appears to be when viewed in small portrait screen in Firefox's 
Redponsive Design Mode.

Greg

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 3:42:12 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> They work well on standard widescreens (in portrait not so good as your 
> get bleed form the menu). Its good to see them though! The MAIN point is 
> they do what the user needs. 
>
> I wish we got to see these everyday. Everyday they are used.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:29:32 UTC+2, Greg Davis wrote:
>>
>> Hello Josiah,
>>
>> Well, if you're looking for examples of Tiddlywikis. Helped a friend 
>> create a couple. They don't quite follow standard TiddlyWiki design, they 
>> grew bigger than I initially envisioned. (They also need some updating.) 
>> They were meant to be downloaded for reference off-line. They include many 
>> embedded pictures so are LARGE.
>>
>> A Quick Start Guide,aimed at new users, and a Developer's Guide:
>>
>> http://portable3d.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>> http://portable3dev.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>> Not necessarily something that someone could reuse, but is an example of 
>> what can be done.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[@TiddlyTweeter]

They work well on standard widescreens (in portrait not so good as your get 
bleed form the menu). Its good to see them though! The MAIN point is they 
do what the user needs. 

I wish we got to see these everyday. Everyday they are used.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:29:32 UTC+2, Greg Davis wrote:
>
> Hello Josiah,
>
> Well, if you're looking for examples of Tiddlywikis. Helped a friend 
> create a couple. They don't quite follow standard TiddlyWiki design, they 
> grew bigger than I initially envisioned. (They also need some updating.) 
> They were meant to be downloaded for reference off-line. They include many 
> embedded pictures so are LARGE.
>
> A Quick Start Guide,aimed at new users, and a Developer's Guide:
>
> http://portable3d.tiddlyspot.com
>
> http://portable3dev.tiddlyspot.com
>
> Not necessarily something that someone could reuse, but is an example of 
> what can be done.
>
> Greg
>

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[Greg Davis]

Hello Josiah,

Well, if you're looking for examples of Tiddlywikis. Helped a friend create 
a couple. They don't quite follow standard TiddlyWiki design, they grew 
bigger than I initially envisioned. (They also need some updating.) They 
were meant to be downloaded for reference off-line. They include many 
embedded pictures so are LARGE.

A Quick Start Guide,aimed at new users, and a Developer's Guide:

http://portable3d.tiddlyspot.com

http://portable3dev.tiddlyspot.com

Not necessarily something that someone could reuse, but is an example of 
what can be done.

Greg

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Re: [tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen

It could include that. But I was mostly thinking about the contradiction 
between the "bespokeism" that we, in practice, strongly encourage, 
contrasted with a paucity of tangible completed TWs to look at.

Given ALL the work that is going in daily to help folk solve issues there 
is NO corresponding SHOWCASE of results.

Something like that.

Best wishes
Josiah  

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 21:31:52 UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:
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> To take your question literally, you are asking about forks and spinoffs 
> of Tiddlywiki. Are there any that are active?
>
> On Jun 28, 2017 15:15, "PMario"  wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>> I have absolutely no clue, what you are talking about here!?
>> -m
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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Lol.

I'm obscure, I guess.

I kinda mean that we do much work in this group helping get a TW to work 
(using the baseline of the standard release) ... but we RARELY see the 
results in completed TWs.

I do think its an issue for wider uptake. I don't think most users want to 
have to create a TW, they want to see completed TW in THEIR area of skill 
they can tweak a bit, but not have to create.

Best wishes
Josiah

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> Hi, 
> I have absolutely no clue, what you are talking about here!?
> -m
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Re: [tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[Arlen Beiler]

To take your question literally, you are asking about forks and spinoffs of
Tiddlywiki. Are there any that are active?

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[tw] Re: Mother begats Mother -- Daughters are spawned anonomously

[PMario]

Hi, 
I have absolutely no clue, what you are talking about here!?
-m

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