[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-25 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > ... maybe I don't fully understand what you mean with it? The thing is, > WHO would do this outreaching? You? How? E-mail people? As someone who is > concerned about the TW project I'd really appreciate that but wouldn't > count on it being a long lasting effort (or am I wrong?).

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-23 Thread Mat
@TiddlyTweeter Yeah, the point would be to offer "entry points" to TW for those who would not otherwise find it. I think it is much about offering "editions" but, as you allude to, I'd say it is also about making people find these which would require some kind of organizational structure. I

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-23 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mat I revisited this thread. Re-read it and sat with it. I think its very interesting. Some excellent comments highly pertinent to better uptake of TiddlyWiki. Many good thoughts are in it. I just want to underline its about TWO major things that need differentiating IMO... 1 - I think

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-15 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > "marketing" TW - at least what I mean with it - simply means to put > the product "out there" so that more people can use it and engage in its > development. In fact, > we need > people here > You may be

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-14 Thread Mat
On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 8:46:04 AM UTC+2, Jel wrote: > > I'll expand on this from general principles, in fact. > To make an operation work, management theory somewhat flippantly looks at > bringing a set of Ms together in a harmonious balance, inputs which produce > output. Men, Money,

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-14 Thread Mat
Jel, thanks for making me smile. If I felt the nature of TW was threatened, I'd react in the same way. But "marketing" TW - at least what I mean with it - simply means to put the product "out there" so that more people can use it and engage in its development. In fact,

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-14 Thread TonyM
Jel, I feel I have to respond to this, because it is somewhat harsh and projects onto members of this community things from elsewhere we are not responsible for. We get tiddlywiki, and we want to share it with others, we know from experience there are many different ways people come to know

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-14 Thread BurningTreeC
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[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-13 Thread Jel
NO! Tiddlywiki is a tool, not a con. Sorry, marketeers, this tool is as attractive as a lathe - and lathes can be very attractive to someone who knows and appreciates their features and facilities. If you know how to use a lathe, you can make something, or a tool to make something, which

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-12 Thread TonyM
Josiah, Once you find a demand you want to satisfy it with a tiddlywiki solution. To have one available we need to pre-empt demand and have them on the shelf, but it is hard to predict. Perhaps instead we should find what demand exists and act as a swat team to deliver a solution into that

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-12 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I fell I'm writing too much into this thread & should maybe shut-up. It is simply because it interests me. One broad comment. Most of the discussion has not been about marketing at all. At been mainly about prepping, getting some "products" into an organised shape. The point I made earlier

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-12 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
> > Mat wrote: > Would TW developers be at all interested or is everyone really a lone > cowboy? I think this is really interesting. Not so much on the cowboy. But on the idea that the "products" we talking about are a "developers" made thing necessarily. I'm, right now, not sure that focus

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-12 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
> > Mat wrote: >>> >>> ... I think they should all be *hosted on the same place* ... I think >>> *Github* may be the best current option. >>> >> It is well known >>> >> > @TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> (no it isn't, but that is not a problem if its accessible through ONE >> gateway :) >> > >

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-12 Thread Luca Dorigo
Its interesting you think of these as "editions". > > I think of them as APPLICATIONS. No problem. But in terms of promotion why > promote a version as an "edition?" An edition OF WHAT? As far as I can see > they are a each a BRICOLAGE of relevant bits deserving its own emergent > wholeness.

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread TonyM
Josiah et al... We need to market solutions to the broader audience, not editions, not plugins, in some ways not even tiddlywiki, it can do too much, people will be scared off. Once they try our champagne, many will come to the cellar door, and the enthusiasts will enter the barrel rooms and

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread Mat
On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 9:34:11 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > BUT could you clarify if someone made a stellar TW APP they would need to > JOIN GitHub in your vision? OR are you suggesting that you would broker > wider publishing of great TW APPS bricolaged outside GitHub? > > I

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread Mat
On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 9:10:00 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Mat >> Regardless if collections or single apps, we should make sure that they >> *promote >> one another*. >> > > Respectfully, I don't think so. Why should a promo entry for an > "Organiser" be promoting an image

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread Mat
On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 9:02:03 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Mat wrote: >> >> ... I think they should all be *hosted on the same place* ... I think >> *Github* may be the best current option. >> > It is well known >> > > (no it isn't, but that is not a problem if its accessible

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mat I agree that Github, since so many TW techies use it, is as good a place for a repository as any. Tech knowledge of it is high. Its got really great sharing schemata. Its also obscure and takes time to understand. BUT could you clarify if someone made a stellar TW APP they would

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
> > Mat > Regardless if collections or single apps, we should make sure that they > *promote > one another*. > Respectfully, I don't think so. Why should a promo entry for an "Oraganiser" be promoting an image gallery? Makes no sense. I think the CORE of what you talking about is

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > ... I think they should all be *hosted on the same place* ... I think > *Github* may be the best current option. > It is well known > (no it isn't, but that is not a problem if its accessible through ONE gateway :) J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread Mat
How should any such editions (or, apps/applications as I'd prefer to call them) be actual entry points? How, practically, would these entry points be served? To build them is only part of the equation. Here are some thoughts on the matter: To get some synergistic effects (for

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
BTC & Luca Its interesting you think of these as "editions". I think of them as APPLICATIONS. No problem. But in terms of promotion why promote a version as an "edition?" An edition OF WHAT? As far as I can see they are a each a BRICOLAGE of relevant bits deserving its own emergent wholeness.

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread BurningTreeC
> > I can think of many: > >- Agenda Edition >- Task/Project Manager Edition >- Developer Edition >- Diary Edition (expanding on the journal functionality) >- Musician Edition: songbook, annotated recordings, etc. - there are >already some plugins supporting abc notation

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread Luca Dorigo
I can think of many: - Agenda Edition - Task/Project Manager Edition - Developer Edition - Diary Edition (expanding on the journal functionality) - Musician Edition: songbook, annotated recordings, etc. - there are already some plugins supporting abc notation - Lecturer

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Dear Support System for the Brezhnev Diet Wiki (aka Mat). I'm having problems with adjusting the Winter Greens Calculator, can you help? It's quite urgent as we have a dying orphan. Yours, in earnest April Mackenzie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Just FYI, from the point of view of a user looking to fulfil function (normal end-use case) only ... - Blog Edition - Résumé Builder Edition are close to normal end-user ideas of

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
In discussion with open-source developers over the years about why some of their great work never really reaches its "full market potential" several relevant factors come up ... 1 - Mostly they love developing software, and are fearful of getting over-burdened with support issues ... 2 - IMO

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > ... How can we actually make this be real? (as opposed to hypothetically > if we had a marketing budget etc) > A cheap way to connect with real "markets" is simply to* identify where there is demand*. Then address that demand by making it easier for those folk who already

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > ... someone looking for, say, recipe data base tool will choose "The > Recipe Data Base Tool" rather than "TiddlyWiki". And someone looking for > the Keto > diet will turn to... you get it. And so on for every

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > From a marketing point, TW suffers from being too general. > Right. And too variant in implementation options. Lack of specificity for A market combined with too many options to run it creates barriers to entry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat I've written extensively around some of the issues around "marketing" TiddlyWiki. But as yet ill formed. Not formed enough to constitute "marketing." I'm going to write a few different notes since you brought it on to see if it can form in a better way. :-). Josiah Mat wrote: > > From a

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread JD
I like this idea too. I am currently experimenting with Tony's ideas for an outliner, which I think would belong to a writer's edition of TW. Right now, the official editions are: - Empty Edition - Blog Edition

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread Luca Dorigo
I like this. It seems better than having "spinoffs" like cardo.wiki that are hard(er) to integrate with your own wiki. Le mercredi 11 avril 2018 11:26:48 UTC+2, BurningTreeC a écrit : > > Hi Mat , > > I was thinking that we (the community) could make collections/packages > (like editions)

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread BurningTreeC
Hi Mat , I was thinking that we (the community) could make collections/packages (like editions) for different use-cases those packages would be sets of plugins and themes and tools for example: student-collection: - note-taking plugins and tools (like anwiki - anki (heavily used by

[tw5] Re: [marketing TW] How can we create many specific entrances?

2018-04-11 Thread TonyM
*On another recent thread I recall posting on focused solutions and markets.* *So there is already support for your idea.* *So do share.* *Tony* On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 3:16:37 PM UTC+10, Mat wrote: > > From a marketing point, TW suffers from being too general. It kind of > solves