[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[okido]

Hi All,

If you use the node.js API in TiddlyDesktop OS differences are solved by 
node.js.
The only thing I ran into is spaces in filenames when you execute a shell 
command on windows.  
I use nw.js in a plain form with TiddlyWiki Classic, this gives you all 
interaction you want with the OS and filesystem.

Have a nice day, Okido



On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 7:04:37 PM UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> He collects TW tips.
>
> We talking about O/S tips to support TW.
>
> Maybe he will collect them too, but they are not directly TW scripts per 
> se.
>
> TT
>
> On Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:53:26 UTC+1, Chuck R. wrote:
>>
>>
>> I thought Mohammed was collecting macros and tips like this. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-5, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice to see such tips ... It might be worth collecting them together? I 
>>> seen you post a few :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[TiddlyTweeter]

He collects TW tips.

We talking about O/S tips to support TW.

Maybe he will collect them too, but they are not directly TW scripts per se.

TT

On Thursday, 16 January 2020 18:53:26 UTC+1, Chuck R. wrote:
>
>
> I thought Mohammed was collecting macros and tips like this. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-5, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Nice to see such tips ... It might be worth collecting them together? I 
>> seen you post a few :-)
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[Chuck R.]

I thought Mohammed was collecting macros and tips like this. 


On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-5, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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>
>
> Nice to see such tips ... It might be worth collecting them together? I 
> seen you post a few :-)
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[TonyM]

TT,

It is important to discuss this, because in time TiddlyWiki can provide a 
compelling application with full desktop interaction, on multiple OS's in 
addition to website, Apps and server functionality.

By posting this tip however I wanted to bring to the attention of Windows 
users that by using a local app like TiddlyDesktop you can almost use 
native windows commands and links to get the desktop interaction. When you 
build a "dedicated" wiki for a specific desktop, even specific computer, 
you don't need to be able to handle cross platform and browser etc... so 
for any primary windows users this seems to me simple and compelling. I 
have not tested it but I expect the same would be for the case for other 
platforms as "*It can be installed on Windows, Mac OS X or Linux. It is 
compatible with TiddlyWiki 
 version 5 and the 
older TiddlyWikiClassic 
*." And that one each 
platform I imagine the same can be done there with native links executions 
etc...


> Right. But only slightly different. Same with Bob. 
>

We should provide examples that reduce this gap, but With bob an Timimi 
there needs to be message sent on the way to getting a result.
 

>
> I think it might be interesting to look at common methodology.
>

Totally agree, and in the discussions thread from which Polly became a 
thing, I was suggesting an identical process to save tiddlywiki on any 
platform, you and was it Mark - took this a lot further in a slightly 
different direction to me.


> FYI, Timimi requires that "scripts" be in its "...\Timimi\Scripts\" 
> sub-dir. Same with Bob's "scripts", they go in a specified sub-dir.
> (One good thing with Bob & Timimi, of course, is that their script methods 
> take parameters).
>

Yes, it would be nice to document this with both tools documented together, 
and considering each OS below it.
 

>
> Personally I'd rather not write different scripts for Timimi, Bob & 
> TiddlyDesktop. A way round this is to have a script (Bob, Timimi) or link 
> (TD) that is simply *a pointer to repository of one's own batch/shell 
> files*. That seems quite like what you are doing?
>

I agee, but in the case of tiddlydesktop I did not write any 
scripts/batchfiles etc...I just referenced them, ie executables, 
batchfiles, folders or file names. Including using

To make local files, or the result of a native OS script visible.

 

> So, yes, customisation is highly variable. But the o/s logic I think has a 
> consistent pattern that can be illustrated.
>

Yes, I agree, it is just less needed with straight TiddlyDesktop to local 
OS interactions
 

>
> BTW, part of the thoughts behind Polly were to facilitate all this in an 
> *integrated* cross-platform way. 
> With Polly started you could provide the services you illustrated for any 
> wiki. And with Bob, Timimi & TD you could also launch Polly from the wiki 
> itself.
>

This is a noble objective, but one I find hard to speculate too far given I 
am a windows Expert, not linux or MAC. I offer my support on windows but 
need others to extend it across OS's.
 

>
> Thoughts!
>

Thanks for asking. 

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:
>
> I agree it is possible to leverage Timimi to do this, and important to 
> note this here, however it does require a different design. 
>

Right. But only slightly different. Same with Bob. 

I think it might be interesting to look at common methodology.

FYI, Timimi requires that "scripts" be in its "...\Timimi\Scripts\" 
sub-dir. Same with Bob's "scripts", they go in a specified sub-dir.
(One good thing with Bob & Timimi, of course, is that their script methods 
take parameters).

Personally I'd rather not write different scripts for Timimi, Bob & 
TiddlyDesktop. A way round this is to have a script (Bob, Timimi) or link 
(TD) that is simply *a pointer to repository of one's own batch/shell files*. 
That seems quite like what you are doing?

So, yes, customisation is highly variable. But the o/s logic I think has a 
consistent pattern that can be illustrated.

BTW, part of the thoughts behind Polly were to facilitate all this in an 
*integrated* cross-platform way. 
With Polly started you could provide the services you illustrated for any 
wiki. And with Bob, Timimi & TD you could also launch Polly from the wiki 
itself.

Thoughts!

TT

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[TonyM]

TT,

I hope to encourage anyone to post a tip when they have one, it adds value 
to the forums and allows alternative approaches to be discussed. We all 
learn so many things and have "our own way" to do things and it is this 
establish methods we need to share. I learned early in my career we all 
discover useful tips and workflows and sharing these have great results. 

I hope someone can test Mac & Unix shell files too for TiddlyDesktop and 
share back!

True we should then try to document Tips we use and improve documentation, 
possibly even extend the standard distribution according to the value 
realised.

I agree it is possible to leverage Timimi to do this, and important to note 
this here, however it does require a different design. 

This tip/method simply allows intuitive links and html to local resources 
to work out of the box. Making a local desktop tiddlywiki is quite bespoke 
to what is installed, so in someways we do not need to try and universalise 
it, if you can install TiddlyDesktop you can build your desktop 
interactions, your desktop is always different to mine.

Not withstanding the above, given my experience in corporate desktop 
standards, I see it would be possible to design a solution to be deployed 
to Standard Desktop Environments to support and empower users.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 4:36:36 AM UTC+11, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> TonyM
>
> Nice to see such tips ... It might be worth collecting them together? I 
> seen you post a few :-)
>
> I assume this will also work for Mac & Unix shell files too for 
> TiddlyDesktop?
>
> BTW you can get a similar mechanism working with single-file wikis in 
> Firefox when you have installed the Timimi saver for FF since it also can 
> access the OS (via its scripting tool).
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> On Wednesday, 15 January 2020 01:42:21 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I thought I would share this working solution I have.
>>
>>- A Wiki running in TiddlyDesktop
>>- Has the below tiddler called networkcheck
>>
>> > > Go
>>
>> <$button set="Networkcheck!!last-refresh" setTo=<> >
>> Refresh {{Networkcheck!!last-refresh}}
>> 
>>
>> > "file:///C:\Data\batches\networkcheck.txt"> 
>>
>>
>>- Clicking on "Go" runs the command runnetworkcheck.cmd in a Command 
>>Prompt window, that closes when finished
>>- Clicking on "Refresh" reloads the output from runnetworkcheck.cmd 
>>which was directed into networkcheck.txt
>>- I can review the output of networkcheck.txt in the tiddler.
>>
>> In runnetworkcheck.cmd I run a set of batch commands, windows command 
>> line tools and pings to test each step of my network access to the world 
>> and every important device.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM

Nice to see such tips ... It might be worth collecting them together? I 
seen you post a few :-)

I assume this will also work for Mac & Unix shell files too for 
TiddlyDesktop?

BTW you can get a similar mechanism working with single-file wikis in 
Firefox when you have installed the Timimi saver for FF since it also can 
access the OS (via its scripting tool).

Best wishes
TT

On Wednesday, 15 January 2020 01:42:21 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I thought I would share this working solution I have.
>
>- A Wiki running in TiddlyDesktop
>- Has the below tiddler called networkcheck
>
>  > Go
>
> <$button set="Networkcheck!!last-refresh" setTo=<> >
> Refresh {{Networkcheck!!last-refresh}}
> 
>
>  "file:///C:\Data\batches\networkcheck.txt"> 
>
>
>- Clicking on "Go" runs the command runnetworkcheck.cmd in a Command 
>Prompt window, that closes when finished
>- Clicking on "Refresh" reloads the output from runnetworkcheck.cmd 
>which was directed into networkcheck.txt
>- I can review the output of networkcheck.txt in the tiddler.
>
> In runnetworkcheck.cmd I run a set of batch commands, windows command 
> line tools and pings to test each step of my network access to the world 
> and every important device.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[TonyM]

Mohammad,
 

> Is there any reason to use TiddlyDesktop here? 
>

*Yes*, it has the rights to the local desktop to address files, start 
programs and access files.

A tiddlywiki.hta file on windows may also have the rights.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Desktop Automation tip Windows

[Mohammad]

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:12:21 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I thought I would share this working solution I have.
>
>- A Wiki running in TiddlyDesktop
>
>
Is there any reason to use TiddlyDesktop here? 

>
>- Has the below tiddler called networkcheck
>
>  > Go
>
> <$button set="Networkcheck!!last-refresh" setTo=<> >
> Refresh {{Networkcheck!!last-refresh}}
> 
>
>  "file:///C:\Data\batches\networkcheck.txt"> 
>
>
>- Clicking on "Go" runs the command runnetworkcheck.cmd in a Command 
>Prompt window, that closes when finished
>- Clicking on "Refresh" reloads the output from runnetworkcheck.cmd 
>which was directed into networkcheck.txt
>- I can review the output of networkcheck.txt in the tiddler.
>
> In runnetworkcheck.cmd I run a set of batch commands, windows command 
> line tools and pings to test each step of my network access to the world 
> and every important device.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

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