[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-03-05 Thread Mohammad
Hi bimlab,
 Many thanks for sharing this!


   - The interface is much better now
   - I may suggest to use thinner lines for separator (those line acts as 
   top/bottom borders of current item in TOC)
   - the highlight item is great! it seems it works based on history not 
   one opened by clicking on TOC entry
   - the highlighted item under mouse has not red color, you can override 
   the link color on hover (if you like)


On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 11:41:07 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> 2.1.0 PRERELEASE version, do not use for anything important (see 
> attachment)
>
> Dear all,
>
> A dear friend of mine helped me to make the UI much clearer:
>
>- Imporved design: the look is more compact and clear, the toolbar 
>buttons are optional
>- Show buttons only if they have effect (eg arrow next to last element 
>of history makes no sense as we are already in this context)
>- Add "Open in story river" button to locator-view
>- Highlight currently opened tiddler in locator-view
>- History items was different in behaviour from context items 
>(drag-and-drop behavior, highlighting of current title)
>
> See the "settings/..." tabs of the plugin.
>
> Before it is finally released, I would like to ask your opinion: is it 
> easy to understand? If you don't like something, how would you change it?
>

It is better now! 

--Mohammad 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-03-03 Thread bimlas
To try it out online, have a look at https://bimlas.gitlab.io/

2.1.0 PRERELEASE version, do not use for anything important (see attachment)
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-23 Thread bimlas
Dear all,

I've added video tutorials to the descriptions. The walk-through is still 
incomplete, but I hope that this way is understandable. I plan to keep only 
these, and delete the other descriptions.

https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#README:README%20Walk-through%20%5B%5BHow%20to%20build%20the%20filter%20expression%20graphically%5D%5D

Do you think this is enough to understand the plugin?

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-21 Thread bimlas
Added more examples, but renamed the tiddler, because it's not a "Very 
quick tutorial" anymore, but a "Walk-through":
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#Walk-through

Did you think of such short examples? You think those who first see the 
plugin will understand it based on these (of course, once I've written all 
the features in the walk-through)?
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#README:README%20Walk-through%20%5B%5BHow%20to%20build%20the%20filter%20expression%20graphically%5D%5D

I am thinking of deleting these descriptions because they are too talkative 
and take a long time to read and that is why they are avoided. What do you 
think?
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#View%20items%20with%20different%20templates%2C%20mindmap%20features:%5B%5BView%20items%20with%20different%20templates%2C%20mindmap%20features%5D%5D%20%5B%5BLocator%20search%20and%20fields%20tabs%5D%5D%20%5B%5BLocator%20view%3A%20Table%20of%20contents%20macro%5D%5D

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Re: [tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-21 Thread Mohammad Rahmani
That's fine. You are right. It should be added to release in master branch.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 6:05 PM bimlas  wrote:

> Mohammad,
>
>
>> I mean to display the latest changes on the landing page like
>> {{latestChange}}
>>
>
> Do you think I should include changes to the documentation in changelog?
> Since the code is modified in the `dev` branch and the documentation is in
> the` master`, I do not know exactly how to organize the changelog so that
> it can be changed independently (actuallyr Git can merge the changes).
>
> I've added more descriptions to the "Very quick tutorial".
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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-21 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,
 

> I mean to display the latest changes on the landing page like 
> {{latestChange}}
>

Do you think I should include changes to the documentation in changelog? 
Since the code is modified in the `dev` branch and the documentation is in 
the` master`, I do not know exactly how to organize the changelog so that 
it can be changed independently (actuallyr Git can merge the changes).

I've added more descriptions to the "Very quick tutorial". 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-21 Thread Mohammad
It seems I caused confusion! Sorry

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 5:22:37 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> A minor comment (update the change log and put a transcluded tiddler show 
>> the latest change)
>>
>
> What do you mean by a transcluded tiddler?
>

I mean to display the latest changes on the landing page like 
{{latestChange}}

 

>  
>
>> I could not find examples!
>>
>
> Examples of what? The changes? Sorry, but I don't understand. If you're 
> curious about the changes: 
> https://gitlab.com/bimlas/tw5-locator/compare/master...dev 
>

This related to previous comments to add more examples of using locator! 

Thank you for your efforts.

--Mohammad
 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-21 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

A minor comment (update the change log and put a transcluded tiddler show 
> the latest change)
>

What do you mean by a transcluded tiddler?
 

> I could not find examples!
>

Examples of what? The changes? Sorry, but I don't understand. If you're 
curious about the changes: 
https://gitlab.com/bimlas/tw5-locator/compare/master...dev 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-21 Thread Mohammad
Thanks bimlas!
The start page is now simpler to follow!

A minor comment (update the change log and put a transcluded tiddler show 
the latest change)
I could not find examples!

--Mohammad

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 3:44:04 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I try to meet the needs and have developed the plugin further.
>
>>
>>- Write short, easy-to-understand examples where I do not explain in 
>>detail how things work, but just show how the feature works basically. 
>> It's 
>>even better and easier to understand if I make short videos instead of a 
>>description.
>>
>> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#Very%20quick%20tutorial
>
> What do you think about this? I imagine I will present all features so 
> concisely like this. I've already written these in different ways, so I 
> don't know which one to keep and which one to delete because users won't 
> read it.
>
>>
>>- The Family Tree of Ford illustrates the plugin better, I use it to 
>>explain it.
>>
>> It seems to be more useful if the user builds the tree himself and then 
> he / she will understand what is happening. 
>
>>
>>- Use less bold text in the tutorial :)
>>
>>  I haven't modified the plugin's own tiddler's text yet, but I use less 
> bold on the main page. :)
>
>>
>>- Find a more talkative name for the plugin (think 
>>"GraphicalListWidget" or similar would be appropriate)
>>- The sidebar can also be opened in the story river because of the 
>>context item templates
>>- Get more help with the user interface itself ("info buttons")
>>- Refine the text color, "Filter by fields" is not always readable
>>- Explain the mindmap features better
>>
>>
> ToDo...
>
> According to David Gifford's comment, I have slightly modified the GUI, I 
> hope it has become clearer (see attachment), please check it out. DO NOT 
> USE IN REAL WIKI, IT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT as usual.
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-21 Thread bimlas
Dear all,

I try to meet the needs and have developed the plugin further.

>
>- Write short, easy-to-understand examples where I do not explain in 
>detail how things work, but just show how the feature works basically. 
> It's 
>even better and easier to understand if I make short videos instead of a 
>description.
>
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#Very%20quick%20tutorial

What do you think about this? I imagine I will present all features so 
concisely like this. I've already written these in different ways, so I 
don't know which one to keep and which one to delete because users won't 
read it.

>
>- The Family Tree of Ford illustrates the plugin better, I use it to 
>explain it.
>
> It seems to be more useful if the user builds the tree himself and then he 
/ she will understand what is happening. 

>
>- Use less bold text in the tutorial :)
>
>  I haven't modified the plugin's own tiddler's text yet, but I use less 
bold on the main page. :)

>
>- Find a more talkative name for the plugin (think 
>"GraphicalListWidget" or similar would be appropriate)
>- The sidebar can also be opened in the story river because of the 
>context item templates
>- Get more help with the user interface itself ("info buttons")
>- Refine the text color, "Filter by fields" is not always readable
>- Explain the mindmap features better
>
>
ToDo...

According to David Gifford's comment, I have slightly modified the GUI, I 
hope it has become clearer (see attachment), please check it out. DO NOT 
USE IN REAL WIKI, IT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT as usual.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-17 Thread HC Haase


mandag den 17. februar 2020 kl. 10.24.05 UTC+1 skrev bimlas:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> OK, I've got the idea. I've tried out on Locator demo, it's working fine. 
> Please update the link in the OP, because it points to the old place of the 
> plugin!
>
>
ah I see you can choose templates in locator. I did not know. I have 
updated as you requested and removed tags from my "placeholder tiddlers". 
It should also work from your template menu now. I have added  a line about 
it in the doc.

thanks for pointing the link out. It is corrected. 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-17 Thread bimlas
HC Haase,

OK, I've got the idea. I've tried out on Locator demo, it's working fine. 
Please update the link in the OP, because it points to the old place of the 
plugin!

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-16 Thread HC Haase


fredag den 14. februar 2020 kl. 19.27.19 UTC+1 skrev bimlas:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> I have updated my TOC counting plugin to function with this wonderful 
>> plugin
>>
>
> I'm glad you like it and thank you for paying attention when developing 
> your own plugin.
>
> What 
> does $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_org 
> do? As I see, it only contains the link, not the counter. I think this can 
> be deleted if it is not needed for your plugin to work.
>

This is to make the toggle work so you have the option to turn the counting 
off. It stores the original code from your plugin.

>
> In my opinion, change the caption of the 
> $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count 
> template template to "Link (with counter)", for example, because it is not 
> clear how it differs from the original "Link" template.
>
> The "Enable counting of sub-tiddlers in Locator TOC" option is superfluous 
> because the counter will work without any configuration *if this template 
> is selected for display in the Locator* - it's missing from the 
> documentation.
>

This is to make it possible to toggel the numbers on/off for different 
toc's. So one could turn it off in locator and on in clasic toc, or vice 
versa.

Detaild description.
 The checkbox for  "Enable counting of sub-tiddlers in Locator TOC" change 
the text field of "$:/plugins/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link" of your 
plugin. It takes the text of 
"$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count" 
where I have included the counting. When un-checking the field, the text in 
"$:/plugins/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link" is replaced with the 
original text that I store in the 
"$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_org" 
tiddler 
("$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count" 
has ben overriddene).

 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread bimlas
HC Haase,

I have updated my TOC counting plugin to function with this wonderful plugin
>

I'm glad you like it and thank you for paying attention when developing 
your own plugin.

What 
does $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_org 
do? As I see, it only contains the link, not the counter. I think this can 
be deleted if it is not needed for your plugin to work.

In my opinion, change the caption of the 
$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count 
template template to "Link (with counter)", for example, because it is not 
clear how it differs from the original "Link" template.

The "Enable counting of sub-tiddlers in Locator TOC" option is superfluous 
because the counter will work without any configuration *if this template 
is selected for display in the Locator* - it's missing from the 
documentation.


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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread HC Haase
FYI
I have updated my TOC counting plugin to function with this wonderful plugin

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/o6z8ig9a3bI

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread Mohammad


On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 3:48:08 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> a button to expand all
>>
>>> a button to close all
>>
>
> I know this is far from perfect, but navigate in the seidebar to the 
> "directory" whose children you want to open and click on the magnifying 
> glass icon. The search will list all related tiddlers (in full depth, so 
> the same effect as opening all branches), type spaces in standard search 
> until the results are displayed. 
>

bimlas,
 This makes sense.  Thank you!

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

a button to expand all
>
>> a button to close all
>

I know this is far from perfect, but navigate in the seidebar to the 
"directory" whose children you want to open and click on the magnifying 
glass icon. The search will list all related tiddlers (in full depth, so 
the same effect as opening all branches), type spaces in standard search 
until the results are displayed. 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread Mohammad


On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 10:09:30 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> This is not crucial but may be interesting
>>
>>- you clicked on an entry, it gets highlighted in the TOC
>>- then you clicked a link in the open tiddler which navigate to an 
>>item it is again an entry in the TOC
>>- do you think it worth TOC smartly scroll to that item?
>>- please keep simplicity the first priority
>>
>> I'll see if it's feasible, but if the ToC is so long that it's not 
> visible on one screen, you might need to split it into several sections 
> (drag-n-drop works in Locator). But I understand the essence of the need 
> and try to fulfill it. 
>

If you see, Tiddlywiki vanilla has little extra feature but it is quite 
fast and easy to use. So again I go here for simplicity and I think the 
current situation is good enough!
By the way, if you gonna to get a sense of it head over TiddlyTools by Eric 
Shulman!
 

>
>>- a button to expand all
>>- a button to close all
>>
>>  I do not understand. Do you imagine, as in classic ToC, that you open 
> all branches at once? The Locator only shows a single level of a single 
> branch because it practically works like a ListWidget.
>

Yes, I got why there is no expand all like classical TOC. 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread Mohammad
bimlas,

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 10:04:46 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> One minor comment: how can I filter tiddlers have responder as Mrxsal OR 
>> bimlas
>>
>
> Sorry, but I just noticed this message.
>
> There is no "OR" connection and although I feel its lack, this would 
> complicate the interface: probably I would have to put a drop down menu 
> where we can select the type of connection ("AND", "OR"). It could be 
> solved by using Shift + click as an "OR" connection, but that wouldn't work 
> on the phone, so I'm not thinking about it.
>

I will go for simplicity and ignore this! I understand it is different from 
classical TOC.

 

>
> In another thread once I said it's not a good idea to do a graphical 
> filter builder (although I did) because Locator is good for finding fixed 
> values, for example, but if I want to filter by date ranges, I have to add 
> new input fields (start and end dates). If I were to look for what I 
> changed in February of any year, it would require a different input field 
> (month selector). So basic filtering can be done graphically, but the more 
> complex the filtering we want to perform, the harder it will be to create 
> the right interface. 
>
> I am afraid that the plugin can only perform simple filtering, more 
> complex conditions can be added in AdvancedSearch. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread bimlas
I try to summarize the suggestions:

   - Write short, easy-to-understand examples where I do not explain in 
   detail how things work, but just show how the feature works basically. It's 
   even better and easier to understand if I make short videos instead of a 
   description.
   - The Family Tree of Ford illustrates the plugin better, I use it to 
   explain it.
   - Use less bold text in the tutorial :)
   - Find a more talkative name for the plugin (think "GraphicalListWidget" 
   or similar would be appropriate)
   - The sidebar can also be opened in the story river because of the 
   context item templates
   - Get more help with the user interface itself ("info buttons")
   - Refine the text color, "Filter by fields" is not always readable
   - Explain the mindmap features better
   

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
David Gifford,

For example, the arrow next to 'Table of contents' doesn't do anything when 
> pressed. Nor do the two middle icons to the right of 'Filter by fields'.
>

The arrow next to context items "opens their context". By default (in the 
demo) the context of TableOfContents is open, so clicking on the arrow next 
to it will reopen its context, no change appears. How can this be 
clarified? Should the arrow not appear next to the last element of the 
history (ie, the one that is "opened")?
 

> At first I missed the link to the tutorial because it was right above the 
> video surrouned by bold text. There is a LOT of bold text, which is 
> "noisy". Maybe you could separate the link to the tutorial visually from 
> the rest so it stands out.
>

I agree, I'll fix it.
 

> I am not clear on what the following means: "This sidebar is hidden when 
> the focus is on the search entry to increase responsiveness - see Locator 
> view  for the 
> code." What sidebar are you referring to? 
>

The Locator sidebar itself, or more precisely its contents. I will clarify 
the text.
 

> Anyway, those are not criticisms, but meant to help.
>
 
I welcome constructive criticism. :)

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
HC Haase,

the TOC counting l plugin adds a counter to the $:/core/macros/toc macro.
>

As I understand it, this plugin overwrites the ToC macro - the Locator does 
not use it at all, so overwriting it does not affect my plugin. 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
HC Haase,

At some point, maybe we should make an effort to combine different plugins 
> / find duplicates / consider if some plugin features could be included in 
> the core??
>

I'm afraid the core is very conservative. But it's laudable - if all the 
sudden ideas were put in, it could easily collapse in a few years. I can 
fully understand Jeremy doing so and appreciate him!

However, combining plugins is worth considering. Other open source projects 
have a lot of development collaboration, but I miss this (common coding) in 
TiddlyWiki.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
HC Haase,

The video helps a lot. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
>

It seems like I should focus on the videos instead of the hard-to-read 
texts, because everyone understands that. :D 

>
>- colors. if you use a bit darker themes the text is hard to read some 
>palces ( see screenshot). if you (and every plugin) could choose colors 
>that follows the theme (like primary, links etc) instad of hardcoding the 
>colors, it would be great.
>
>  Occasionally it uses the colors of the theme. :) Try changing the palette 
in the demo: "Filter by fields" uses the same color as the page subtitle 
(just the sidebar's default text color).

>
>-  maybe I did something wrong but I get a limitd search result in 
>locator. how come (see screenshot)? 
>
> o_O Woah... I haven't seen such a case yet. What's interesting is that the 
counter in the Locator shows more elements than it displays. Is there 
anything special about these tiddlers? Do they have a caption field, these 
are system tiddlers?

>
>- context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. is not that usefull 
>if you have a narrow sidebar. maybe you could make a button to pup out the 
>view in a tiddler in the story river or something
>
> As many of you have indicated this, I have to find a solution. 

>
>- you write you can use it to "*Create mindmaps". *That sound exiting 
>but  I dont realy understand how. could you maybe give sime examples?
>
>  Doesn't this description tell you properly? (no offense, just hard to 
express myself in english) If it's not clear how can I improve it? 
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#TiddlyMap%20Activities%20example

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

This is not crucial but may be interesting
>
>- you clicked on an entry, it gets highlighted in the TOC
>- then you clicked a link in the open tiddler which navigate to an 
>item it is again an entry in the TOC
>- do you think it worth TOC smartly scroll to that item?
>- please keep simplicity the first priority
>
> I'll see if it's feasible, but if the ToC is so long that it's not visible 
on one screen, you might need to split it into several sections 
(drag-n-drop works in Locator). But I understand the essence of the need 
and try to fulfill it. 

>
>- a button to expand all
>- a button to close all
>
>  I do not understand. Do you imagine, as in classic ToC, that you open all 
branches at once? The Locator only shows a single level of a single branch 
because it practically works like a ListWidget.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

One minor comment: how can I filter tiddlers have responder as Mrxsal OR 
> bimlas
>

Sorry, but I just noticed this message.

There is no "OR" connection and although I feel its lack, this would 
complicate the interface: probably I would have to put a drop down menu 
where we can select the type of connection ("AND", "OR"). It could be 
solved by using Shift + click as an "OR" connection, but that wouldn't work 
on the phone, so I'm not thinking about it.

In another thread once I said it's not a good idea to do a graphical filter 
builder (although I did) because Locator is good for finding fixed values, 
for example, but if I want to filter by date ranges, I have to add new 
input fields (start and end dates). If I were to look for what I changed in 
February of any year, it would require a different input field (month 
selector). So basic filtering can be done graphically, but the more complex 
the filtering we want to perform, the harder it will be to create the right 
interface. 

I am afraid that the plugin can only perform simple filtering, more complex 
conditions can be added in AdvancedSearch. 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread Mohammad


On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 3:10:14 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> I'll answer everything later.
>
> *Everybody,*
>
> Many of you wrote that you had to get used to the plugin before you could 
> really use it. What was it that made it unusual? Which operation was 
> difficult to understand? I wish I could make the plugin clearer, but I 
> can't see what's wrong with it because I can't look at it completely 
> objectively. I would appreciate any ideas that make it easy to use.
>
> Thanks for all the comments!
>

One of the complexity comes from the concept. As a usual user, I work with 
tags and fields differently. I got used to tags to categorize things. 
Locator says there is no difference between tags and other fields, while 
this is correct, when I work with Locator I still stuck with what I learnt 
from vanilla TW.

The other comes from logic, the example of Henry Ford family tree makes 
logic a bit clear! NOTE that your plugin itself is not that ambiguous, this 
is the logic and understanding it makes locator difficult to use plugin!

I recommend to start with small simple examples. (You added already a quick 
start part) and each feature taught through several examples. For now I 
partially mastered how use Fields in TW-Scripts and I found it quite 
powerful.

 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread Mohammad
bimlas,
 Yep, it works great! I love it
 Now this make TW linear, when one likes read a long text from table of 
contents like a novel with many chapters.

This is not crucial but may be interesting

   - you clicked on an entry, it gets highlighted in the TOC
   - then you clicked a link in the open tiddler which navigate to an item 
   it is again an entry in the TOC
   - do you think it worth TOC smartly scroll to that item?
   - please keep simplicity the first priority


Another small goodies

   - a button to expand all
   - a button to close all

--Mohammad



On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 1:03:46 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>  
>
>> One comment is when you click a title (entry) from TOC it get highlighted 
>> so in reading long text one can find where he/she has started and continue.
>>
>
> I think I've realized your idea, please check if you thought so.
>
> I've attached the JSON plugin, DEVELOPER VERSION, DO NOT USE IN REAL WIKI, 
> etc.
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,
 

> One comment is when you click a title (entry) from TOC it get highlighted 
> so in reading long text one can find where he/she has started and continue.
>

I think I've realized your idea, please check if you thought so.

I've attached the JSON plugin, DEVELOPER VERSION, DO NOT USE IN REAL WIKI, 
etc.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread David Gifford
Hi bimlas

I added the Locator plugin to the TiddlyWiki toolmap, under "Navigation - 
Tables of contents and outliners" 
(https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM). It looks like someone 
else also added it under the category "searching tools". 

This looks like it could be really useful. Like everyone else, it is taking 
me some time to figure it out. For example, the arrow next to 'Table of 
contents' doesn't do anything when pressed. Nor do the two middle icons to 
the right of 'Filter by fields'. The rest of the confusion is that it is 
all new and I have only begun to read the documentation. 

At first I missed the link to the tutorial because it was right above the 
video surrouned by bold text. There is a LOT of bold text, which is 
"noisy". Maybe you could separate the link to the tutorial visually from 
the rest so it stands out.

I am not clear on what the following means: "This sidebar is hidden when 
the focus is on the search entry to increase responsiveness - see Locator 
view  for the code." 
What sidebar are you referring to? 

Anyway, those are not criticisms, but meant to help. I will need time to 
play with this for a while, so I am not yet ready to have a longer 
conversation about this.


On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 5:40:14 AM UTC-6, bimlas wrote:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> I'll answer everything later.
>
> *Everybody,*
>
> Many of you wrote that you had to get used to the plugin before you could 
> really use it. What was it that made it unusual? Which operation was 
> difficult to understand? I wish I could make the plugin clearer, but I 
> can't see what's wrong with it because I can't look at it completely 
> objectively. I would appreciate any ideas that make it easy to use.
>
> Thanks for all the comments!
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread bimlas
HC Haase,

I'll answer everything later.

*Everybody,*

Many of you wrote that you had to get used to the plugin before you could 
really use it. What was it that made it unusual? Which operation was 
difficult to understand? I wish I could make the plugin clearer, but I 
can't see what's wrong with it because I can't look at it completely 
objectively. I would appreciate any ideas that make it easy to use.

Thanks for all the comments!

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread Mohammad


On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 5:34:33 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> It seems that 2020 will be the year of renewal of the table of contents, 
> as many of you present new, innovative solutions in this area. Here's mine.
>

One comment is when you click a title (entry) from TOC it get highlighted 
so in reading long text one can find where he/she has started and continue.
A similar approach is used by Eric Shulman and PMario.
 

>
> I wanted to finish this release for Christmas, but every time I used the 
> version under development, I felt the features were incomplete, so I 
> haven't released the newest version yet. I think the plugin now meets most 
> of my requirements, so I'd like you to give it a try. The older version was 
> "cryptic" in some ways, I hope this one is easy to understand for everyone.
>
> What is the Locator exactly?
>
> Before I explain, let's clarify a few things about TiddlyWiki:
>
>- Tiddlers can contain any data (notes, tasks, phone numbers, photos, 
>music videos, recipes, products, family members, ...)
>- Tiddlers can have tags
>- Tags can be used to "label" tiddlers to categorize them (just like 
>hashtags)
>- Tags can be used to create hierarchies, trees (table of contents) by 
>adding the parent tiddler as a tag to the current tiddler
>- Tiddlers can have fields
>- Fields can contain arbitrary data (date, numeric value, text, even a 
>list of other tiddlers) which characterize the tiddler
>- Tags are stored in tags field of tiddler
>- Because tags is no different from the other fields, any field can be 
>used as tags
>- The links in the text also form a tree
>
>
> Locator provides a universal interface for navigating between your 
> tiddlers and searching, filtering them without the need to write filter 
> expressions. The plugin contains a table of contents widget and an enhanced 
> search engine that contains a visual filter builder to filter results by 
> tags and field values. You can organize the tiddlers to any number of 
> trees, even by custom fields or links in text. Unlike classic Table of 
> Contents, standard search, filter search and list of tags, this plugin 
> handles these functions organically.
>
> Demo + install: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/
>
> If you have used the previous version, be sure to check changelog for 
> incompatible changes.
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread HC Haase
Bimlas 

My plugin TOC counting 
 do not 
work on your locator view. Could you give me some pointers, so I can modify 
it to work with the locator plugin?

the TOC counting l plugin adds a counter to the $:/core/macros/toc macro.

thanks

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread HC Haase

>
> It seems that 2020 will be the year of renewal of the table of contents, 
> as many of you present new, innovative solutions in this area. Here's mine.
>
Indeed it seems, and thanks for mentioning my plugin in your demo page :). 
At some point, maybe we should make an effort to combine different plugins 
/ find duplicates / consider if some plugin features could be included in 
the core?? 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-13 Thread HC Haase
Hi Bimlas
You have pushed your plugin in several threats and I finally got around to 
look at it again. This is really great.

I am not sure why, but I still find it a little cryptic and I had to invest 
some time to understand it. But I think it is a really powerful tool.
The video helps a lot. Thanks for taking the time to make it.

I think this is a big improvement from the last version. Great work. I like:

   - The filter options. The old showing of tags took up a lot of space and 
   the new feature of sorting by any field you want, powerful!
   - context setting/show links instead of tag - great way to see more 
   connections
   - context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. this is also nice to 
   have the control in one place, but hard to use with a narrow sidebar (like 
   in the demopage)

problems 


   - colors. if you use a bit darker themes the text is hard to read some 
   palces ( see screenshot). if you (and every plugin) could choose colors 
   that follows the theme (like primary, links etc) instad of hardcoding the 
   colors, it would be great.
   -  maybe I did something wrong but I get a limitd search result in 
   locator. how come (see screenshot)? 
   - context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. is not that usefull if 
   you have a narrow sidebar. maybe you could make a button to pup out the 
   view in a tiddler in the story river or something
   - you write you can use it to "*Create mindmaps". *That sound exiting 
   but  I dont realy understand how. could you maybe give sime examples?

screenshot. see text and the limited search result

same search in normal search


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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread Mohammad


On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 3:18:16 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I think I have found one of the most important missing parts of the 
>> tutorial:
>>
>> How the plugin is building filter expressions? Please read and tell me if 
>> this shows how it works.
>>
>>
>> http://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#Quickstart%2C%20how%20to%20build%20the%20filter%20expression%20graphically
>>
>
> I'm completely done with this section and it includes almost all the 
> features of the plugin. Do you think this can be understood by the average 
> user, or is there anything else to improve? Thanks for all the help! 
>

This is much better and I think this could acts as starting point! Lets see 
other user feedback.

p.s: In overall starting use of locator has some barriers need users to 
elaborate more!
the concept is a little advanced!


--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

I think I have found one of the most important missing parts of the 
> tutorial:
>
> How the plugin is building filter expressions? Please read and tell me if 
> this shows how it works.
>
>
> http://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#Quickstart%2C%20how%20to%20build%20the%20filter%20expression%20graphically
>

I'm completely done with this section and it includes almost all the 
features of the plugin. Do you think this can be understood by the average 
user, or is there anything else to improve? Thanks for all the help! 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread Mohammad
bimlas,

to make TW-Scripts work with Locator the following change were made

   1. solution plugin updated to support responder field as title list
   2. all responder fileds were space separated with [[]] for titles with 
   spaces using Commander
   3. in Locator, the responder filed was set as a list field
   4. filtered searches in Locator were reset
   5. the new release pushed to https://github.com/kookma/TW-Scripts

Now it seems Locator Field works fine! a description is needed to teach how 
Locator should be used here in TW-Scripts.
It may also worth to create a TOC based structure in TW-Scripts!

One minor comment: how can I filter tiddlers have responder as Mrxsal OR 
bimlas

--Mohammad





On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 11:45:44 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> I think that's good. But I don't know how to clear active filters from the 
> wiki on saving - should I use "temp" tiddlers instead of "state" (the 
> "batch" tag is still active)?
>
> I'd even like to change the "responder" field from a comma-separated list 
> to a title list (and change the field settings accordingly), but this is 
> not the job of the Locator, but rather of Tiddler Commander. ;)
>
> Anyway, what do you think of the plugin?
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

I think I have found one of the most important missing parts of the 
tutorial:

How the plugin is building filter expressions? Please read and tell me if 
this shows how it works.

http://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#Quickstart%2C%20how%20to%20build%20the%20filter%20expression%20graphically

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

>
>- I clicked on responder in keywords tree
>- I selected then (by clicking on x) bimlas, TonyM
>- at the bottom of tree I see many tiddlers while onle one of them has 
>a field: responder with value: bimlas, TonyM
>
> X means "filter to tiddlers does not have this value". For example, if you 
search for a tag that is linked to a lot of tiddlers, you can also narrow 
the list with this condition.

Let's say you're looking for those tiddlers that have "example" but don't 
have "regexp-tutorial" tag ([tag[example]![regexp-tutorial]]): Find the 
"example" tag, filter for it with +, look for the "regexp-tutorial" tag, 
press X to exclude tiddlers having "regexp-tutorial". 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread Mohammad
A test case


   - I clicked on responder in keywords tree
   - I selected then (by clicking on x) bimlas, TonyM
   - at the bottom of tree I see many tiddlers while onle one of them has a 
   field: responder with value: bimlas, TonyM

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread bimlas
I think that's good. But I don't know how to clear active filters from the 
wiki on saving - should I use "temp" tiddlers instead of "state" (the 
"batch" tag is still active)?

I'd even like to change the "responder" field from a comma-separated list 
to a title list (and change the field settings accordingly), but this is 
not the job of the Locator, but rather of Tiddler Commander. ;)

Anyway, what do you think of the plugin?

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-11 Thread Mohammad
That's right! it was fields were filtered by batch tags!
Look to the latest update and see if it works and adjustments are correct.

--Mohammad

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>
> Did you uploaded the latest version? I do not see the changes.
>
> In the current online version, it looks like the list is already filtered 
> for "batch" tags, which is why it shows so few hits.
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread bimlas
Did you uploaded the latest version? I do not see the changes.

In the current online version, it looks like the list is already filtered 
for "batch" tags, which is why it shows so few hits.

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread Mohammad
I did the adjustment! Locator shows only 7 keywords

But if you create a tiddler in TW-Scripts with below contents

<$wikify name=keys text="""<$list 
filter="[all[tiddlers]each[keywords]get[keywords]]"><> 
""">
''Total keywords: <$count filter="[enlist]"/>''
<$list filter="[enlistsort[]]"><$text 
text=<>/>


You see there is  428 unique keywords!

What is wrong here?

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:19:23 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
>  I pushed an update of TW-Scripts with Locator plugin!
>>
>
> Thanks for trying it out. :)
>  
>
>> But I don't know how effectively one can use Locator with TW-Scripts.
>>
>
> Since TW-Scripts is not table of contents based, I would delete the 
> sidebar. There's no use in that case.
>
> When filtering to a field value, the list of results is so small that it 
> is unnecessary to further narrow down with text search: You can also drop 
> Locator Search.
>
> The only really usable interface is Locator Fields, which in its current 
> state is not fully usable. Now I see one thing missing from the tutorial: 
> setting up fields.
>
> If you search for "tiddler" in Locator Fields and see what your Keywords 
> are, you will see that they are not treated as words, but interpreted as 
> one sentence. This is of little use because you cannot combine keywords in 
> filters. To interpret words separately, open Fields Settings with the gear 
> icon at the top of Locator Fields, select the "keywords" field, and set 
> "Field type" to "List". If you look at the results of "tiddler" again, you 
> can see that the keywords are listed separately, so you can combine 
> them. You can hide fields that you deem unnecessary for search (eg "type", 
> "color") by setting "Show in fields filter".
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread Mohammad
Hi bimlas,

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 10:19:23 AM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
>  I pushed an update of TW-Scripts with Locator plugin!
>>
>
> Thanks for trying it out. :)
>  
>
>> But I don't know how effectively one can use Locator with TW-Scripts.
>>
>
> Since TW-Scripts is not table of contents based, I would delete the 
> sidebar. There's no use in that case.
>
> When filtering to a field value, the list of results is so small that it 
> is unnecessary to further narrow down with text search: You can also drop 
> Locator Search.
>
> The only really usable interface is Locator Fields, which in its current 
> state is not fully usable. Now I see one thing missing from the tutorial: 
> setting up fields.
>
> If you search for "tiddler" in Locator Fields and see what your Keywords 
> are, you will see that they are not treated as words, but interpreted as 
> one sentence. This is of little use because you cannot combine keywords in 
> filters. To interpret words separately, open Fields Settings with the gear 
> icon at the top of Locator Fields, select the "keywords" field, and set 
> "Field type" to "List". If you look at the results of "tiddler" again, you 
> can see that the keywords are listed separately, so you can combine 
> them. You can hide fields that you deem unnecessary for search (eg "type", 
> "color") by setting "Show in fields filter".
>
>
> Okay, I go for fields and make the adjustment to see how everything goes!

--Mohammad 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

 I pushed an update of TW-Scripts with Locator plugin!
>

Thanks for trying it out. :)
 

> But I don't know how effectively one can use Locator with TW-Scripts.
>

Since TW-Scripts is not table of contents based, I would delete the 
sidebar. There's no use in that case.

When filtering to a field value, the list of results is so small that it is 
unnecessary to further narrow down with text search: You can also drop 
Locator Search.

The only really usable interface is Locator Fields, which in its current 
state is not fully usable. Now I see one thing missing from the tutorial: 
setting up fields.

If you search for "tiddler" in Locator Fields and see what your Keywords 
are, you will see that they are not treated as words, but interpreted as 
one sentence. This is of little use because you cannot combine keywords in 
filters. To interpret words separately, open Fields Settings with the gear 
icon at the top of Locator Fields, select the "keywords" field, and set 
"Field type" to "List". If you look at the results of "tiddler" again, you 
can see that the keywords are listed separately, so you can combine 
them. You can hide fields that you deem unnecessary for search (eg "type", 
"color") by setting "Show in fields filter".


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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread Mohammad
bimlas,
 I pushed an update of TW-Scripts with Locator plugin!

But I don't know how effectively one can use Locator with TW-Scripts.

Have a look and let me know if any adjustment or change needed.

See it here:  https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/ 


--Mohammad

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>
> Mohammad,
>
> see how effectively I can use it in other scenarios
>>
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/ 
> 
>  
> is a good example of an application because it uses many fields, so the 
> field value search feature ("Fields" search tab) can be well utilized. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread bimlas
TonyM,

I see that the user needs to realise how comprehensive your solution is 
> then use their imagination to explore the possibilities, not to mention use 
> it to explore the Wiki it is installed on.
>

My feeling is that what I created is easy to use and really useful. 
However, most of the time the problem is that I can't present the essence 
of my creature to the users, so they don't understand what it is and it's 
like I haven't done anything. That is why I welcome any advice that helps 
express.
 

>
>- Is the video silent? 
>
> Yes. As you know, I'm not good at English, and my pronunciation is 
certainly worse. That's why I found it better to express myself with 
"pantomime", pointing with the mouse.


>- "Locator" works, but something like  "Content Locatorer" "Content 
>Explorer" would be more meaningful. 
>   - One way to help with this is to include along with the name a 
>   short descriptor
>   - eg; Locator, your whole of Wiki content locator.
>
> I don't think it's a good idea to change the name because it would also 
change the links. Although (if I'm guessing right) GitLab can handle this 
by redirecting. I'm not sure I will follow this advice, but if I find a 
really expressive name, then I might have change it. But what word could 
describe it? "Filter Builder"? "Ultimate Navigator"? "Organizer"? "Organize 
By Any Field And Filter As You Want (a.k.a. OBAFAFAYW)"? The names 
referring to "Content" remind me of the text of the tiddler, though the 
plugin is more related to the fields.

>
>- There is something upside down about the interface in the tab, I see 
>why, but I have a hunch there is another way
>
> Explain this, please. 

>
>- Also this is so powerful at least on a desktop you could have an 
>open in story, open in new window or modal then you would not need to be 
> so 
>minimalist
>
> Because the goal is to quickly find what you're looking for, this should 
always be at hand, so I think the sidebar is a good idea. We also use 
standard search for searching, although AdvancedSearch has the same 
functionality (and more). However, I have repeatedly seen a solution to put 
AdvancedSearch (or a similar interface) in the sidebar for easy access.

In fact, the Locator only becomes space-intensive if we change the template 
for context items to, for example, "Transclusion". For that cases, a button 
that opens Locator in  the story river would be nice.

>
>- Having a more verbose interface available, may make it easier to 
>   learn to use the sidebar locator once someone has learned how to use it
>
> What could be more verbose? Should I display the text next to the buttons 
instead of the tooltip? I do not quite understand this point, please 
elaborate.
 

> I think all you need to make it perfect is a little more of an intuitive 
> interface, perhaps with the use of some appropriate key terms, and info 
> icons. Another effective way is to find an appropriate metaphor, perhaps 
> one that relates to content. 
>
> Here is a simple info Icon I use often
> <$button tooltip="A small informational piece of text" 
> class="tc-btn-invisible">
> {{$:/core/images/info-button}}
> 
>

 I like this solution! Simple but clever. :) What kind of text would you 
recommend for it? For example, the sidebar would have such an info-tooltip, 
what would it say?

Anyway, thank you for the constructive comment!

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread TonyM
Bimlas,,

Once again you seem to have produced an elegant solution. Having being 
involved in a number of conversations on these very matters you have made a 
very powerful interface into the details of tiddlers and their 
relationships. Despite my involvement I see I need to take a conceptual 
leap to use locator. I see that the user needs to realise how comprehensive 
your solution is then use their imagination to explore the possibilities, 
not to mention use it to explore the Wiki it is installed on.

Your new introduction and video go a long way to helping, thanks for your 
excellent work. 


   - Is the video silent? 

My feedback right now is "Wow, great", but it needs a little something to 
make it perfect. 

If I may suggest some ideas to consider,

   - "Locator" works, but something like  "Content Locatorer" "Content 
   Explorer" would be more meaningful. 
  - One way to help with this is to include along with the name a short 
  descriptor
  - eg; Locator, your whole of Wiki content locator.
   - There is something upside down about the interface in the tab, I see 
   why, but I have a hunch there is another way
   - Also this is so powerful at least on a desktop you could have an open 
   in story, open in new window or modal then you would not need to be so 
   minimalist
  - Having a more verbose interface available, may make it easier to 
  learn to use the sidebar locator once someone has learned how to use it
   

I need to spend more time within to give more useful suggestions, but have 
a couple of deadlines today. I would like to provide a little more feedback 
because I really appreciate what you have done here, I particularly like 
your systematic approach to dealing with the complexity possible in 
tiddlywiki. I think all you need to make it perfect is a little more of an 
intuitive interface, perhaps with the use of some appropriate key terms, 
and info icons. Another effective way is to find an appropriate metaphor, 
perhaps one that relates to content. 

Here is a simple info Icon I use often
<$button tooltip="A small informational piece of text" 
class="tc-btn-invisible">
{{$:/core/images/info-button}}

It is only a tooltip

But a set of the above could be toggled on and off as needed.

Love your work
Please keep up this valuable contribution

Thank and Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 1:04:33 AM UTC+11, bimlas wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> It seems that 2020 will be the year of renewal of the table of contents, 
> as many of you present new, innovative solutions in this area. Here's mine.
>
> I wanted to finish this release for Christmas, but every time I used the 
> version under development, I felt the features were incomplete, so I 
> haven't released the newest version yet. I think the plugin now meets most 
> of my requirements, so I'd like you to give it a try. The older version was 
> "cryptic" in some ways, I hope this one is easy to understand for everyone.
>
> What is the Locator exactly?
>
> Before I explain, let's clarify a few things about TiddlyWiki:
>
>- Tiddlers can contain any data (notes, tasks, phone numbers, photos, 
>music videos, recipes, products, family members, ...)
>- Tiddlers can have tags
>- Tags can be used to "label" tiddlers to categorize them (just like 
>hashtags)
>- Tags can be used to create hierarchies, trees (table of contents) by 
>adding the parent tiddler as a tag to the current tiddler
>- Tiddlers can have fields
>- Fields can contain arbitrary data (date, numeric value, text, even a 
>list of other tiddlers) which characterize the tiddler
>- Tags are stored in tags field of tiddler
>- Because tags is no different from the other fields, any field can be 
>used as tags
>- The links in the text also form a tree
>
>
> Locator provides a universal interface for navigating between your 
> tiddlers and searching, filtering them without the need to write filter 
> expressions. The plugin contains a table of contents widget and an enhanced 
> search engine that contains a visual filter builder to filter results by 
> tags and field values. You can organize the tiddlers to any number of 
> trees, even by custom fields or links in text. Unlike classic Table of 
> Contents, standard search, filter search and list of tags, this plugin 
> handles these functions organically.
>
> Demo + install: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/
>
> If you have used the previous version, be sure to check changelog for 
> incompatible changes.
>

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread Mohammad


On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 10:13:03 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> see how effectively I can use it in other scenarios
>>
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/ is a good example of an application 
> because it uses many fields, so the field value search feature ("Fields" 
> search tab) can be well utilized. 
>

That's true! the three main fields are responder, keywords and tags. Lets 
give a try!

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread Mohammad
bimlas,

On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 8:12:21 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Thanks for the tip, I split the description into smaller units and added a 
> very basic quickstart.
>
> The video is intended to briefly illustrate some of the capabilities of 
> the plugin. Not clear enough? How can I fix it?
>

Yep, this is a good start! I have not watched it before.
By the way simple examples at first look are quite helpful.

Thank you

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

see how effectively I can use it in other scenarios
>

https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/ is a good example of an application 
because it uses many fields, so the field value search feature ("Fields" 
search tab) can be well utilized. 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread bimlas
Mohammad,

Thanks for the tip, I split the description into smaller units and added a 
very basic quickstart.

The video is intended to briefly illustrate some of the capabilities of the 
plugin. Not clear enough? How can I fix it?

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-10 Thread Mohammad
Hi bimlas,

Many thanks for sharing Locator 2.0.0 and all your efforts.

The TableOfContent widget is just a wonderful piece of work and put this 
TOC widget one level higher!

Still reading and digging into the concept of Locator is difficult for a 
normal user (like me) but I am trying to get the core concept and see
how effectively I can use it in other scenarios.

I may propose to divide the tutorial and demo into two parts. The landing 
page starts with simple description and quick small examples and then
a page with advanced or more examples go further into the details and more 
use cases.

I love your work.

-- Mohammad


On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 5:34:33 PM UTC+3:30, bimlas wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> It seems that 2020 will be the year of renewal of the table of contents, 
> as many of you present new, innovative solutions in this area. Here's mine.
>
> I wanted to finish this release for Christmas, but every time I used the 
> version under development, I felt the features were incomplete, so I 
> haven't released the newest version yet. I think the plugin now meets most 
> of my requirements, so I'd like you to give it a try. The older version was 
> "cryptic" in some ways, I hope this one is easy to understand for everyone.
>
> What is the Locator exactly?
>
> Before I explain, let's clarify a few things about TiddlyWiki:
>
>- Tiddlers can contain any data (notes, tasks, phone numbers, photos, 
>music videos, recipes, products, family members, ...)
>- Tiddlers can have tags
>- Tags can be used to "label" tiddlers to categorize them (just like 
>hashtags)
>- Tags can be used to create hierarchies, trees (table of contents) by 
>adding the parent tiddler as a tag to the current tiddler
>- Tiddlers can have fields
>- Fields can contain arbitrary data (date, numeric value, text, even a 
>list of other tiddlers) which characterize the tiddler
>- Tags are stored in tags field of tiddler
>- Because tags is no different from the other fields, any field can be 
>used as tags
>- The links in the text also form a tree
>
>
> Locator provides a universal interface for navigating between your 
> tiddlers and searching, filtering them without the need to write filter 
> expressions. The plugin contains a table of contents widget and an enhanced 
> search engine that contains a visual filter builder to filter results by 
> tags and field values. You can organize the tiddlers to any number of 
> trees, even by custom fields or links in text. Unlike classic Table of 
> Contents, standard search, filter search and list of tags, this plugin 
> handles these functions organically.
>
> Demo + install: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/
>
> If you have used the previous version, be sure to check changelog for 
> incompatible changes.
>

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