[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Lost Admin]

I agree, it is pretty amazing. I had some initial issues getting it to work 
but I think that was because I tried right around the time IBM bought out 
Cloudant and the "set-up" process changed. Instead I started messing around 
with other things. I always meant to get back to it. Yesterday, I did just 
that...

I've set-up my own Apache CouchDB back-end and Apache Web server on a 
US$2.50 per month VM with Vultr (not to say other cloud hosting wouldn't 
work just as well). It works very nicely with a downloaded copy of Note 
Self served from a simple static web server. I set-up SSL with Let's 
Encrypt, so it is even somewhat secure.

In my case, I use TiddlyWiki as a sort of simple content creation tool. 
Note Self is more of an online notebook for my own use.

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 12:17:04 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Danielo's NoteSelf is a pretty amazing innovation that combines in one 
> TiddlyWiki saving to a local in-browser database (i.e. no old style saving 
> problems, it works out of the box via PouchDB) WITH ability to save your 
> TiddlyWiki to a remote CouchDB based server that will auto-sync your work. 
>
> Here is an informative, independent, blog post about it ...
>
> https://thejeshgn.com/2018/02/08/noteself-tiddywiki-couchdb-backend/
>
> @TiddlyTweeter 
>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello all.

Glad to see that more people is getting interested by NoteSelf.
I'm sorry to read people is having some trouble. To be honest, the new 
Cloudant policies have hit the NS community hard. However, I have plans to 
mitigate this problem (see below).

I want to make some clarifications about NoteSelf. It is not just a plugin, 
neither just a database for your tiddlers, it is an entire product and it 
is not fair to call it "just a thing to use a remote database". It has many 
features that are not only saving tiddlers automatically, and if you try to 
port all of those to "just a database" you will lost many of them. For 
example:

- Revision history. You can see the different old revisions of your 
tiddlers, and restore them if you want on a more or less nice interface.
- Offline support. You can use NS while you are offline, no network 
connection required, and changes will be synchronized automatically when 
you come back online.
- No need of backend. Yes, syncing requires a backend, but you don't need 
any remote database if you just want to use NS. You can even use the normal 
TW workflow (downloading files) and use NS as an intermediary cache-step 
for automatic saving.
- An hybrid android app. It may not be spectacular, but works fine and it 
is better than using any browser.
- A system that allows you to install plugins without saving a new HTML file

I am happy to see that other people is taking inspiration from NS to build 
their own solutions, that's fantastic, but have in mind that NS is more 
than just a database.
Also I want to remind you that what makes an open source project strong is 
it's community. If each user tries to create their own solution, then we 
will end with dozen half-baked solutions. If you think that NS is lacking 
some small detail, don't hesitate to file a pull request to add that 
feature you are missing.

*For all those users using or interested on NoteSelf:*

I am working on a project to bring easy login flow to NoteSelf. It will use 
a passwordless approach, so you will not need to remember a password 
neither registration.
You will input your email and hit login, then we will generate a random pin 
with a small lifetime (say 30 minutes), then you input that pin on NoteSelf 
and we will provide you a long-term authentication token that will be 
automatically managed by NoteSelf.
At first the service should be considered beta, will be free and only one 
database per user will be provided.
I would like to know your opinions on this approach, if you like it or not 
and if you will use it.
There will be a section for novice users, for being able to use this 
easy-automatic workflow, and I'll keep a section for advanced users that 
want their own couch servers.

Regards

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[TonyM]

Mark et all

Yesterday I installed CouchDB on My Windows 10 64bit, I have not got a 
noteself to connect to it yet. There seems to be a gap in the instructions 
on how to configure a tiddlywiki DB. This would allow me to look at the 
database structure that NoteSelf is using and thus determine if MySQL would 
be a practical re-invention.

As You (mark says) One way to look at this tiddler in DB is that the title 
is the key and rest is a blob this is in keeping with the concept of a 
skinny tiddler. Loads as needed.

On Couch DB there is a docker image which I intend to try on my Synology 
NAS but if you have a host that supports Docker you could build an internet 
facing CouchDB.

Unfortunately I only have a highly asymetric Internet connection with a 
small speed up to the internet so I am not in a position to host much from 
inside my LAN out to the internet, thus a desire to get a DB back end for 
TiddlyWiki hosted on the internet. I have a wholesaler/re-seller hosting 
service on cpanel

Regards
Tony




On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 11:39:30 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 1:07:39 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> SQL is optimised around having a known number of columns with a known 
>> type in each column which isn't a good match for tiddlywiki because 
>> tiddlers can have any number of custom fields they would all be stored as a 
>> single text blob anyway.
>>
>>
> You would only need to put a handful of fields into actual SQL fields and 
> roll the rest into some sort of blob. The advantage is that there are a 
> large number of hosts that offer MySQL thanks to cpanel. But couch is not 
> offered at all. With skinny loading, you could have a working TW with as 
> many tiddlers as the SQL system could handle.
>
> The last time I tried Noteself, I found that I could not cleanly delete 
> and restore an instance. This suggests that there is data being left 
> behind. This would worry me in any situation where security is a concern.
>
> -- Mark 
>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 1:07:39 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> SQL is optimised around having a known number of columns with a known type 
> in each column which isn't a good match for tiddlywiki because tiddlers can 
> have any number of custom fields they would all be stored as a single text 
> blob anyway.
>
>
You would only need to put a handful of fields into actual SQL fields and 
roll the rest into some sort of blob. The advantage is that there are a 
large number of hosts that offer MySQL thanks to cpanel. But couch is not 
offered at all. With skinny loading, you could have a working TW with as 
many tiddlers as the SQL system could handle.

The last time I tried Noteself, I found that I could not cleanly delete and 
restore an instance. This suggests that there is data being left behind. 
This would worry me in any situation where security is a concern.

-- Mark 

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Jed Carty]

I don't have any real experience using NoteSelf but I do know a bit about 
databases. You can have variable length columns in MySQL, each column has a 
type which determines the allowed content and some types have limits on the 
size but text columns can have variable lengths.

SQL is optimised around having a known number of columns with a known type 
in each column which isn't a good match for tiddlywiki because tiddlers can 
have any number of custom fields they would all be stored as a single text 
blob anyway.

But it should be possible to host your own CouchDB server on a raspberry pi 
or whatever hardware you have available so I don't think that there is a 
reason to use MySQL, if I understand correctly you could set up a CouchDB 
server on your local network and it would sync with remote changes or you 
could just use it on your local network.

I know very little about docker and the few times I tried to use it I gave 
up and just installed everything manually. I am often wrong about the 
relative levels of expertise needed for things like this but I think that 
if you are comfortable setting up a raspberry pi setting up the CouchDB 
server shouldn't be much of a stretch, there are instructions here 
https://andyfelong.com/2017/09/couchdb-2-1-on-raspberry-pi-raspbian-stretch/

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[TonyM]

Diego,

That is a fairly brutal practice, why do you do it? If you can do that 
regularly enough, why not also backup your DB at the same time (or simple 
export tiddlers).

If you do not do it surely the reliability for your NoteSelf wiki goes up 
for you/

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 5:34:12 AM UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Josiah, 
>
> For me, I *frequently* erase everything in my browser, and since IBM 
> Cloud resets after 30 days of inactivity, that also isnt a fair backup 
> option for me. 
>
> I guess to use noteself Ill have to stop erasing my browser? 
>
>
> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 1:52:34 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> As I am terrified of losing data ...
>>>
>>
>> A few notes on this in relation to NoteSelf. Understandable IF the server 
>> clocks-out AND the browser clocks-out and you didn't do any additional 
>> backups.
>>
>> I do think (manual, redundant) backup-methodology for NoteSelf could be 
>> made a bit clearer. 
>>
>> But if you think about it its a pretty robust system already. Actually 
>> really robust. Especially if you connect to it through more than one 
>> browser.
>>
>> To reduce paranoia :-) maybe additional backup could be good. FWIW I just 
>> backup the "local storage" of the browser via a prog that runs every 30 
>> minutes or so.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[TonyM]

Mark et al..

I would of thought the tiddler could be saved as a "blob", that is the 
fields are just more details in the tiddler, all just one big text file. 
They only become meaningful when they are loaded into the Tiddly-wiki which 
knows about fields. The question is can you have variable length fields in 
MySQL? I think you must because WordPress stores posts this way.

With any database including Cloudant there would be methods to extract all 
content and save it in a file, and the schema. That is you back up at the 
database administrator level without any knowledge of tiddlywiki.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:39:46 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Good point Tony!
>
> I suppose couch/pouch is a better match for the way TW stores data, where 
> any tiddler could have any number of fields.
>
> But, what if you limited the number of fields exposed? Just title, 
> caption, text, created, modified, tags and a couple extra (field1, field2). 
> Then maybe it could be a match for a SQL database.
>
> As you say, SQL databases are way more common, thanks to Cpanel.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 6:37:55 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> If I could build a cloudant server on a cpanel host php/apatche I would 
>> offer some free accounts
>>
>> But I do not know if or how.
>>
>> Perhaps someone could build a mysql or maria db version. I think that 
>> would realy take off because there are many ways to host those dbs.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Diego

Look at your browser settings. What you want is to NOT delete "Local 
Storage" / "Offline ... Data". Not sure if all browsers allow you to pick 
and choose. My FF does ...  


Josiah

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Diego Mesa]

Josiah, 

For me, I *frequently* erase everything in my browser, and since IBM Cloud 
resets after 30 days of inactivity, that also isnt a fair backup option for 
me. 

I guess to use noteself Ill have to stop erasing my browser? 


On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 1:52:34 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> As I am terrified of losing data ...
>>
>
> A few notes on this in relation to NoteSelf. Understandable IF the server 
> clocks-out AND the browser clocks-out and you didn't do any additional 
> backups.
>
> I do think (manual, redundant) backup-methodology for NoteSelf could be 
> made a bit clearer. 
>
> But if you think about it its a pretty robust system already. Actually 
> really robust. Especially if you connect to it through more than one 
> browser.
>
> To reduce paranoia :-) maybe additional backup could be good. FWIW I just 
> backup the "local storage" of the browser via a prog that runs every 30 
> minutes or so.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> As I am terrified of losing data ...
>

A few notes on this in relation to NoteSelf. Understandable IF the server 
clocks-out AND the browser clocks-out and you didn't do any additional 
backups.

I do think (manual, redundant) backup-methodology for NoteSelf could be 
made a bit clearer. 

But if you think about it its a pretty robust system already. Actually 
really robust. Especially if you connect to it through more than one 
browser.

To reduce paranoia :-) maybe additional backup could be good. FWIW I just 
backup the "local storage" of the browser via a prog that runs every 30 
minutes or so.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Diego Mesa]

As I am terrified of losing data, I would just like to emphasize this (this 
isn't a criticism of noteself, just an FYI for those using IBM Cloud):

*IBM Cloud Lite plans are deleted after 30 days of inactivity.*


On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 6:43:02 AM UTC-5, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have some questions about noteself maybe someone can help me answer! I 
> understand it uses your browsers local storage. I am used to using nodejs, 
> and keep my tiddlywiki folder in my dropbox. That means I have a folder 
> with many .tid files I can see and touch. I also *frequently* "clear all" 
> on my browsers, erasing *everything*. 
>
>1. When using noteself, how can I "export" the local database noteself 
>is using so that I can keep my own backups?
>2. I understand noteself can by synced with an online database 
>provider. I understand many people used cloudant, which closed, and are 
> now 
>using IBM Cloud (used to be called bluemix). When I signed up yesterday 
> for 
>the lite plan I noticed it said this: *"Lite plan services are deleted 
>after 30 days of inactivity.".* Is everyone aware that if you dont 
>sync for 30 days your db is gone?! Is there another free service that is 
>trustworthy and does not have this?
>   - If I set up a good answer to 1., this one wont really bother me.
>   
> Thank you!
> Diego
>
>
> On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 3:27:50 AM UTC-5, Ste Wilson wrote:
>>
>> I'm still using cloudant.., its not stopping I don't think but the shared 
>> plan is no longer available. 
>>
>> On a tangential note if Danielo is around.. NoteSelf doesn't seem to be 
>> displaying my templates. 
>>
>> Ste
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Good point Tony!

I suppose couch/pouch is a better match for the way TW stores data, where 
any tiddler could have any number of fields.

But, what if you limited the number of fields exposed? Just title, caption, 
text, created, modified, tags and a couple extra (field1, field2). Then 
maybe it could be a match for a SQL database.

As you say, SQL databases are way more common, thanks to Cpanel.

-- Mark

On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 6:37:55 AM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> If I could build a cloudant server on a cpanel host php/apatche I would 
> offer some free accounts
>
> But I do not know if or how.
>
> Perhaps someone could build a mysql or maria db version. I think that 
> would realy take off because there are many ways to host those dbs.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Corey Woodworth]

Would it be possible to provide something like a docker image for a backend so 
people could host their own noteself db on their own server or a raspberry pi?

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Diego Mesa]

Hey Tony,

Thanks for your reply. As this storage model is based on a database that 
stores revisions inside it, my backup strategy would be to keep one or two 
database copies around at a time, as opposed to an .html file. Is this 
possible?

On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 8:33:37 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Diego,
>
> I belive if you tap save icon twice or more rapidly you will be prompted 
> to download the whole wiki with you content included.
>
> You could also go to advanced search > filter > select all tiddlers except 
> system tiddlers and down load only regular tiddlers to a json file and drop 
> import this back on your noteself to restore them.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[TonyM]

If I could build a cloudant server on a cpanel host php/apatche I would offer 
some free accounts

But I do not know if or how.

Perhaps someone could build a mysql or maria db version. I think that would 
realy take off because there are many ways to host those dbs.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[TonyM]

Diego,

I belive if you tap save icon twice or more rapidly you will be prompted to 
download the whole wiki with you content included.

You could also go to advanced search > filter > select all tiddlers except 
system tiddlers and down load only regular tiddlers to a json file and drop 
import this back on your noteself to restore them.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Diego Mesa]

Hey all,

I have some questions about noteself maybe someone can help me answer! I 
understand it uses your browsers local storage. I am used to using nodejs, 
and keep my tiddlywiki folder in my dropbox. That means I have a folder 
with many .tid files I can see and touch. I also *frequently* "clear all" 
on my browsers, erasing *everything*. 

   1. When using noteself, how can I "export" the local database noteself 
   is using so that I can keep my own backups?
   2. I understand noteself can by synced with an online database provider. 
   I understand many people used cloudant, which closed, and are now using IBM 
   Cloud (used to be called bluemix). When I signed up yesterday for the lite 
   plan I noticed it said this: *"Lite plan services are deleted after 30 
   days of inactivity.".* Is everyone aware that if you dont sync for 30 
   days your db is gone?! Is there another free service that is trustworthy 
   and does not have this?
  - If I set up a good answer to 1., this one wont really bother me.
  
Thank you!
Diego


On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 3:27:50 AM UTC-5, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I'm still using cloudant.., its not stopping I don't think but the shared 
> plan is no longer available. 
>
> On a tangential note if Danielo is around.. NoteSelf doesn't seem to be 
> displaying my templates. 
>
> Ste
>
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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Ste Wilson]

I'm still using cloudant.., its not stopping I don't think but the shared plan 
is no longer available. 

On a tangential note if Danielo is around.. NoteSelf doesn't seem to be 
displaying my templates. 

Ste

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Mat]

Thanks willw

The cause? It was CORS. Of course!
>
>
OK, I find your instrux on github... but I believe I already had CORS set 
up. In the bluemix-cloudant dashboard:





...or would you say this is not correct? Are there more CORS settings?

Thank you!

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[willw]

Mat

I had similar problems with failed logins on moving from cloudant to IBM 
bluemix. It's working now, with Danielo's help.

The cause? It was CORS. Of course!


My instructions for configuring CORS are posted March 18th on this github 
issue (with links to IBM documentation):
https://github.com/NoteSelf/NoteSelf.github.io/issues/52

I couldn't find a way to configure CORS through the dashboard GUI menus so 
ended up using a few lines of Python code to do the set up via their API.

The forced migration from Cloudant's friendly service was a shame, 
especially to lose the simple named account. IBM's bluemix with it's 
cryptic username and confusing setup is off-putting, but I'd encourage you 
to persist. 

I find Noteself to be a fantastic way to sync up tiddly notes and have 
everything backed up, including past revisions, on a cloud db.

Will

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:56:04 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
>  attempt with my Bluemix username (i.e my email address) and then the db 
> name, i.e "foobar", and the password to my Bluemix account... and get this 
> popup as reply:
>
>
> 
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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Mat]

BTW, here 
's a 
positive review from someone.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Mat]

Something always glitches when attempt at getting NoteSelf to work 
properly. Maybe with Bluemix it will work so could someone please give some 
guidance? 

I successfully set up a new Bluemix account (via here 
) and 
created a new db named *foobar*. This can be seen on my db page, i.e:

https://-bluemix.cloudant.com/dashboard.html#/_all_dbs

There are no other db's on that page.

On https://noteself.github.io/online/ (i.e the online noteself version) I 
have some earlier "leftover attempts" listed in the *Notebook name* 
dropdown, so I type in foobar.





...and the CouchDB URL, as you see, ends in "...bluemix.cloudant.com" (no 
subfolder or whatever)
...I click "Save Config" and reload.

Now for some reason, in Danielos instruction video 
, the 
"online cloud symbol" is seen in the TW page toolbar. (How could it be 
"connected" to the account without any password given?)

For me there is instead an [Offline] button. Clicking this gives a 
mini-popup with:

[Username]
[Password]

...I naively attempt with my Bluemix username (i.e my email address) and 
then the db name, i.e "foobar", and the password to my Bluemix account... 
and get this popup as reply:




In earlier attempts, I once got things to work only after having created a 
"_replicator" db or a "_user" db (as seen in he video here 
) but, if I 
recall, Danielo said this should not be necessary. Regardless, that doesn't 
solve it this time around. I only get that yellow "Login failed" popup.

What to do? 

Thank you in advance!

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[ljay4041]

Danielo's solution made Tiddlywiki "complete" for me personally. I've been 
running it since December and it syncs way better than Evernote or Onenote. 
Which isn't saying much, it's being more than gracious to call those two 
pieces of software malicious garbage. Noteself syncs REALLY well. The 
closest thing I've come to this is using syncthing to sync a zim notebook. 
Which works pretty well, except you can't edit it on a phone. And it's a 
complicated mess.

I learned about TW years ago, but I require syncing so it wasn't useful for 
my use-case until Danielo added noteself. I was really impressed with TW 
back then actually, it's just that syncing is a critical part of the system 
for me, so I ended up trying every other wiki-like system I could get my 
hands on. There are some really cool systems, but nothing compares to TW + 
noteself. Thank you Jeremy and Danielo and everyone who's efforts have 
helped make my dreams possible! (do you have wallets I might be able to 
contribute to or some way to show appreciation?)

My own setup is using couchdb instances on a couple debian devices and 
using one to sync and one as a manual periodic backup. It's public facing 
with https/SSL and I'm syncing great with Android (Have not been able to 
get IOS to work) and also current Firefox on several debian workstations. I 
load the files locally since I wasn't able to get Noteself working via DAV 
over https with simple authentication.

Hope this is helpful to anyone looking at Noteself and Tiddlywiki, I 
personally feel like this is some of the most important and helpful 
software development going on currently and would like to encourage 
everyone to check it out!

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Arlen

I think the kind of broad understanding you have is very good.

IMO, lack of near any resources discussing and showing, comparatively,  the 
various routes and their outcomes in different cases is negatively 
impacting TiddlyWiki uptake. How can you adopt something you don't 
understand?

I sometimes wonder if we (not you personally) could get better at 
addressing this in a way that will benefit end-users to get a better 
OVERVIEW of options?

Josiah

Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Considering that this is tied to the browser, which is tied to the 
> computer, I have now switched to using Dropbox synced data folders, which 
> work about the same. There are three or four different ways to serve them: 
> NodeJS TiddlyWiki, TiddlyServer, an electron-based shim which loads the 
> filesystem directly into the browser, and maybe TiddlyDesktop (not sure 
> about this one). I also have a copy of electron stored in my Dropbox, but 
> that is optional.
>
> The only downside is that there is not yet a way to access a data folder 
> from the web, except in raw text, but I am hoping my exploration in 
> TiddlyWiki will one day lead to that. 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Arlen Beiler]

Considering that this is tied to the browser, which is tied to the
computer, I have now switched to using Dropbox synced data folders, which
work about the same. There are three or four different ways to serve them:
NodeJS TiddlyWiki, TiddlyServer, an electron-based shim which loads the
filesystem directly into the browser, and maybe TiddlyDesktop (not sure
about this one). I also have a copy of electron stored in my Dropbox, but
that is optional.

The only downside is that there is not yet a way to access a data folder
from the web, except in raw text, but I am hoping my exploration in
TiddlyWiki will one day lead to that.

Just my two cents.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 17:11 Danielo Rodríguez  wrote:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Sorry for all the inconveniences. Yes, it is true, cloudant as an
> independent platform is being closed. However, you can sign-up for a
> bluemix account and continue to use the free tier of cloudant inside the
> bluemix platform. The problem is that sign up is not as easy as before, the
> username is not as easy to remember as before and the password is
> automatically generated, it can be changed but it is very inconvenient.
>
> I don't have much time to spend on NoteSelf lately, but my idea is to
> build a service on top of bluemix dedicated to NoteSelf, so you can just
> sign up and use the service normally, much more like evernote, and we take
> care of the rest under the hood.
> This kind of functionality will require a server, something I have to find
> where to host, and an update to the online edition to offer better support
> for this.
>
> In any case, someone has added some written instructions about how to
> create a bluemix account and how to use it with NoteSelf on the tutorial
> video about how to create a cloudant account.
>
>
> A killer feature would be if tiddlers would be encrypted transparently
>> before being sent to the server. This would give it an edge over SimpleNote
>> and Evernote, neither of which promise to encrypt your data.
>
>
> That is an Idea I have been wanting to implement for years, but I just
> delayed it.
>
> Regards
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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello everyone,

Sorry for all the inconveniences. Yes, it is true, cloudant as an 
independent platform is being closed. However, you can sign-up for a 
bluemix account and continue to use the free tier of cloudant inside the 
bluemix platform. The problem is that sign up is not as easy as before, the 
username is not as easy to remember as before and the password is 
automatically generated, it can be changed but it is very inconvenient. 

I don't have much time to spend on NoteSelf lately, but my idea is to build 
a service on top of bluemix dedicated to NoteSelf, so you can just sign up 
and use the service normally, much more like evernote, and we take care of 
the rest under the hood.
This kind of functionality will require a server, something I have to find 
where to host, and an update to the online edition to offer better support 
for this.

In any case, someone has added some written instructions about how to 
create a bluemix account and how to use it with NoteSelf on the tutorial 
video about how to create a cloudant account.


A killer feature would be if tiddlers would be encrypted transparently 
> before being sent to the server. This would give it an edge over SimpleNote 
> and Evernote, neither of which promise to encrypt your data. 


That is an Idea I have been wanting to implement for years, but I just 
delayed it. 

Regards

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