[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[h0p3]

 Awesome! Thank you. =)

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[Mat]

h0p3 wrote:
>
> I really like Mat's plugin. I'm looking for a way to add a delay to the 
> popup itself. I'd rather I had to hover for a second before it came up. 
>

In the stylesheet in the plugin you'll find  " transition:opacity 0.9s;" 
and several browser specific variants. Just change the time (0.9s) in these 
and I think it should work.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[h0p3]

I really like Mat's plugin. I'm looking for a way to add a delay to the 
popup itself. I'd rather I had to hover for a second before it came up. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> I did try both of the plugins, Mat's and Mario's, and found that in Mat's 
> plugin, the popup that appears when hovering disappears too quickly when I 
> move the cursor up to click on the edit button. I like Mario's link image 
> that stays put on the selected tab and does what it should.
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
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>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:39 AM, @TiddlyTweeter  > wrote:
>
>> Ciao David
>>
>> Mat developed a plugin that does exactly that. Its obviously needs to be 
>> on your ;-)
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29:09 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I am using $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs in my info and to do list 
>>> TiddlyWiki. Awesome. 
>>>
>>> But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers 
>>> referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on 
>>> the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the 
>>> user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the 
>>> tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would 
>>> open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.
>>>
>>> Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified 
>>> version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[PMario]

Hi folks, 

I did upload a new plugin: edit-tabs - 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/edit-tabs/, *that lets automatically 
open non-system tiddlers* in edit mode. 

As I wrote in my last post, there is some js code needed, to make the stuff 
happening. ... That's why I did create a new plugin, and keep link-to-tabs 
as simple as possible. 

So edit-tabs  _replaces_  link-to-tabs ... 
*You should not install them both!*
edit-tabs is experimental atm. ... Because at the time of this writing, I 
thought: ... I should have made the "open system-tiddlers in edit mode" 
configurable 

So there may be a new version in the future. 

have fun!
mario



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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[coda coder]

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 7:32:22 AM UTC-6, PMario wrote:
>
> @all
> What do you think? . 
>
>
Hi Mario,

I use a very simplistic approach to the problem -- a macro called 
edit-this.  Inside the source tiddler for the tab, I can point it to the 
actual source tiddler, which may not be the tiddler used due to 
transclusions etc.

Obviously, this means I don't have a way to target shadows etc. -- that 
would be a bad idea.  Hence, I'll certainly play with your solution when it 
arrives.

Even so, how will your system handle transcluded sources?  Clicking a link 
to be shown a tiddler that contains {{sorry-look-elsewhere}} is not the 
best solution.  Perhaps you could check to see if there is a field "source" 
and open the value it contains?

Coda

 

> Except: "How can this be so §$%& complicated ;)" ... yea ... me too!
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[David Gifford]

Wow, thanks Mario! I think this makes perfect sense. I have only been using
Diego's fix on user tabs I created, not on the sidebar tabs. I can see why
users would want to open those in view mode, not edit mode.

David Gifford
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On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:32 AM, PMario  wrote:

> On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 4:30:05 AM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> This group is amazing. Sometime it is like the genie's lamp. I rub it a
>> little, and magical things start to happen. Thanks again for the fix to the
>> link-to-tabs.
>>
>
> Hi David,
>
> The idea worked :) ... but I also found an issue in the core :/ ... A
> temporary fix is relatively straight forward, so it can be shipped with the
> plugin. ...
>
> BUT .. I think the usability with *system tabs* and "auto-edit-mode"
> active is awful ...
>
> I do see your usecase for "user tabs", where it can make sense to activate
> tab-links auto-edit-mode. ...
>
> But once activated, I think, it is annoying if you want to just open
> "system tabs" eg: right sidebar. Since it opens the "You are about to
> overwrite a ShadowTiddler ... " dialog. ... And CTRL-Click, to avoid
> auto-edit just feels wrong.
>
> So in contrast to the proposal at github
>  I
> intend to implement the following behaviour:
>
> Default: existing behaviour
>  - auto-edit not active.
>  - clicking a tab-link will open a tiddler in view mode
>  - clicking a tab-link will open a *shadow-tiddler* in view mode
>  - CTRL clicking any tab-link will open the tiddler, but won't scroll it
> into view
>
>
> tab-link auto-edit active: new behaviour
>
>  - clicking a tab-link will open a tiddler in *edit* mode
>  - clicking a tab-link will open a *shadow-tiddler* in view mode
>  - CTRL-clicking tab-links for shadow-tiddlers *should force edit-mode*.
>  I'm not sure, if this is possible.
>
> I'll publish a experimental bundle here, once I have a working version.
>
> @all
> What do you think? .
>
> Except: "How can this be so §$%& complicated ;)" ... yea ... me too!
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[PMario]

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 4:30:05 AM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> This group is amazing. Sometime it is like the genie's lamp. I rub it a 
> little, and magical things start to happen. Thanks again for the fix to the 
> link-to-tabs.
>
 
Hi David, 

The idea worked :) ... but I also found an issue in the core :/ ... A 
temporary fix is relatively straight forward, so it can be shipped with the 
plugin. ... 

BUT .. I think the usability with *system tabs* and "auto-edit-mode" active 
is awful ... 

I do see your usecase for "user tabs", where it can make sense to activate 
tab-links auto-edit-mode. ... 

But once activated, I think, it is annoying if you want to just open 
"system tabs" eg: right sidebar. Since it opens the "You are about to 
overwrite a ShadowTiddler ... " dialog. ... And CTRL-Click, to avoid 
auto-edit just feels wrong. 

So in contrast to the proposal at github 
 I 
intend to implement the following behaviour:

Default: existing behaviour
 - auto-edit not active.
 - clicking a tab-link will open a tiddler in view mode
 - clicking a tab-link will open a *shadow-tiddler* in view mode
 - CTRL clicking any tab-link will open the tiddler, but won't scroll it 
into view


tab-link auto-edit active: new behaviour

 - clicking a tab-link will open a tiddler in *edit* mode
 - clicking a tab-link will open a *shadow-tiddler* in view mode
 - CTRL-clicking tab-links for shadow-tiddlers *should force edit-mode*. 
 I'm not sure, if this is possible. 

I'll publish a experimental bundle here, once I have a working version. 

@all
What do you think? . 

Except: "How can this be so §$%& complicated ;)" ... yea ... me too!

have fun!
mario




 


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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[PMario]

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 5:10:00 AM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> no problem! And thanks to Mario for making it! My fix was more like a hack 
> on his great work. 
>

Had a look yesterday. ... But it isn't that easy as I first thought. ... 
But today morning I had a new idea :)

-m

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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[Diego Mesa]

no problem! And thanks to Mario for making it! My fix was more like a hack 
on his great work. 

On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 9:30:05 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> This group is amazing. Sometime it is like the genie's lamp. I rub it a 
> little, and magical things start to happen. Thanks again for the fix to the 
> link-to-tabs.
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

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This group is amazing. Sometime it is like the genie's lamp. I rub it a 
little, and magical things start to happen. Thanks again for the fix to the 
link-to-tabs.


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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[David Gifford]

Wow, this is great! Thank you, Diego!

David Gifford
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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM, Diego Mesa  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just for fun, I went ahead and modified Mario's plugin to go directly to
> edit mode. You have to edit:
>
> $:/core/macros/tabs
>
> And copy/paste the following content into it:
>
> \define tabs(tabsList,default,state:"$:/state/tab",class,template)
> 
> 
> <$list filter="$tabsList$" variable="currentTab">
> <$set name="save-currentTiddler" value=<>>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$button set=<> setTo=< >> default="$default$" selectedClass="tc-tab-selected" tooltip={{!!tooltip
> }}>
> <$transclude tiddler={{!!icon}}/>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$set name="tv-wikilinks" value="no">
> <$transclude tiddler=<> field=
> "caption">
> <$macrocall $name="currentTab" $type=
> "text/plain" $output="text/plain"/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> <$button>
> {{$:/core/images/link}}
> <$action-sendmessage $message=
> "tm-edit-tiddler" $param=<> />
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> <$list filter="$tabsList$" variable="currentTab">
>
> <$reveal type="match" state=<> text=<<
> currentTab>> default="$default$">
>
> <$transclude tiddler="$template$" mode="block">
>
> <$transclude tiddler=<> mode="block"/>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> \end
>
> All it does it replace Mario's original  with a . Currently,
> this comes at the cost of:
>
>
>- An ugly button - this can be styled!
>- When pressed for system/shadow tiddlers the warning pops up - this
>is desired!
>
> Best,
>
> Diego
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:57:23 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mario!
>>
>> David Gifford
>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>
>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:55 PM, PMario  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 3:29:09 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

 But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers
 referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on
 the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the
 user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the
 tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would
 open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.

>>>
>>> There is an option, that allows you to show all links for all tabs.
>>> So this will shorten your workflow by 1 click.
>>>
>>> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/#%24%3A%2Fp
>>> lugins%2Fwikilabs%2Flink-to-tabs
>>>
>>>
 Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified
 version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!

>>>
>>> That's interesting.
>>> We'll see. ... No promises, ... no ETA ;)
>>>
>>> But, I did create an issue at github: https://github.com/wikilabs/pl
>>> ugins/issues/10
>>>
>>> -m
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[Diego Mesa]

Hey all,

Just for fun, I went ahead and modified Mario's plugin to go directly to 
edit mode. You have to edit:

$:/core/macros/tabs

And copy/paste the following content into it:

\define tabs(tabsList,default,state:"$:/state/tab",class,template)


<$list filter="$tabsList$" variable="currentTab">
<$set name="save-currentTiddler" value=<>>
<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$button set=<> setTo=<> 
default="$default$" selectedClass="tc-tab-selected" tooltip={{!!tooltip}}>
<$transclude tiddler={{!!icon}}/>
<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$set name="tv-wikilinks" value="no">
<$transclude tiddler=<> field=
"caption">
<$macrocall $name="currentTab" $type=
"text/plain" $output="text/plain"/>





<$button>
{{$:/core/images/link}}
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-tiddler" 
$param=<> />








<$list filter="$tabsList$" variable="currentTab">

<$reveal type="match" state=<> text=<<
currentTab>> default="$default$">

<$transclude tiddler="$template$" mode="block">

<$transclude tiddler=<> mode="block"/>








\end 

All it does it replace Mario's original  with a . Currently, 
this comes at the cost of:


   - An ugly button - this can be styled!
   - When pressed for system/shadow tiddlers the warning pops up - this is 
   desired!

Best,

Diego


On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:57:23 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Mario!
>
> David Gifford
> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>
> *Resonate Global Mission*
> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
> resonateglobalmission.org
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:55 PM, PMario  
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 3:29:09 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers 
>>> referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on 
>>> the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the 
>>> user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the 
>>> tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would 
>>> open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.
>>>
>>
>> There is an option, that allows you to show all links for all tabs. 
>> So this will shorten your workflow by 1 click.
>>
>>
>> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Flink-to-tabs
>>  
>>
>>> Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified 
>>> version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!
>>>
>>
>> That's interesting. 
>> We'll see. ... No promises, ... no ETA ;)
>>
>> But, I did create an issue at github: 
>> https://github.com/wikilabs/plugins/issues/10
>>
>> -m
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[David Gifford]

Thanks Mario!

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:55 PM, PMario  wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 3:29:09 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers
>> referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on
>> the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the
>> user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the
>> tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would
>> open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.
>>
>
> There is an option, that allows you to show all links for all tabs.
> So this will shorten your workflow by 1 click.
>
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/#%24%3A%
> 2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Flink-to-tabs
>
>
>> Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified version
>> of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!
>>
>
> That's interesting.
> We'll see. ... No promises, ... no ETA ;)
>
> But, I did create an issue at github: https://github.com/wikilabs/
> plugins/issues/10
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[David Gifford]

:-)

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:13 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> I did NOT mean YOU host it :-) Relax.
>
> I just meant that, in principle, Comparative Review, so long as it doesn't
> trash people, is perhaps a good way forward to engage with the richness of
> plugins to bring out better what we have.
>
> It was a thought. One I hope someones will think about.
>
> Best wishes
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

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I did NOT mean YOU host it :-) Relax.

I just meant that, in principle, Comparative Review, so long as it doesn't 
trash people, is perhaps a good way forward to engage with the richness of 
plugins to bring out better what we have. 

It was a thought. One I hope someones will think about.

Best wishes
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[David Gifford]

haha, nooo, if you want to create a review site, be my guest...my work here
is done, other than adding new tools.

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:52 PM, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao David
>
> Comparative plugin reviews are something that interests me. Your work
> makes it easier.
>
> Gingerly, so nobody gets trashed. But comparison I think could bring
> plugins out of the dark.
>
> Maybe, in time, we could develop a REVIEW section?
>
> On Mat v. PMario, PMario wins on MINIMALISM IMO. Mat's innovation on
> editing function is great but not yet optimal.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao David

Comparative plugin reviews are something that interests me. Your work makes 
it easier.

Gingerly, so nobody gets trashed. But comparison I think could bring 
plugins out of the dark.

Maybe, in time, we could develop a REVIEW section?

On Mat v. PMario, PMario wins on MINIMALISM IMO. Mat's innovation on 
editing function is great but not yet optimal. 

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[David Gifford]

Hi Josiah

I did try both of the plugins, Mat's and Mario's, and found that in Mat's
plugin, the popup that appears when hovering disappears too quickly when I
move the cursor up to click on the edit button. I like Mario's link image
that stays put on the selected tab and does what it should.

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:39 AM, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> Ciao David
>
> Mat developed a plugin that does exactly that. Its obviously needs to be
> on your ;-)
>
> Josiah
>
>
> On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29:09 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am using $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs in my info and to do list
>> TiddlyWiki. Awesome.
>>
>> But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers
>> referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on
>> the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the
>> user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the
>> tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would
>> open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.
>>
>> Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified version
>> of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!
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