Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2021-01-05 Thread TW Tones 
Siniy

The following tiddler seems to be where the new field creation logic is. If 
manipulated you may be able to create other fields but it is not clear what 
implications this would have. Test on an empty.html and save and reload, 
list and search then ask the dev team if they can tell you what the 
consequences are. It is possibly aligned with the rules that apply to 
Javascript and html. How do they handle alternate languages?

A workaround may be to use indexes in a data tiddler to define fields with 
other index values such as a fieldname, then the value stored will be 
equivalent to a named field, I do not expect the same restrictions to apply.

However a quick test like this {{{ [[data]getindex[цвет]] }}} did work on a 
tiddler named data containing цвет: красный with the 
type application/x-tiddler-dictionary.

The Query did return красный

tiddlername
$:/tiddlername/datafields (a data or JSON tiddler
Use index as fieldname, value as fieldvalue
Use serial number and/or relink plugin with additional settings, if 
tiddlername rename is needed

There is a fair argument that fieldnames could use alternate language 
alphanumeric's but the code refactoring may be prohibitive and this may be 
for future major versions of tiddlywiki.

Regards
Tones

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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-27 Thread Siniy-Kit 
It is not my problem. It is problem of TW5.   


понедельник, 28 декабря 2020 г. в 08:34:32 UTC+3, positiv...@gmail.com: 

> You said, "I don't know  that attributes can be with Russian letters". I 
> cannot see what you tried and what error you saw.
>
> When I open a Wiki file and create a new Tiddler, the Tiddler Editor says 
> "Add a new field" at the bottom. I put in a field name of "цвет" and a 
> field value of "цвет", and then click the "Add" button. This shows a dialog 
> box complaining about the field name. Closing the dialog erases the field 
> name and field value that I tried to enter.
>
> Is that the error that is stopping you from using Russian letters in 
> attributes? This is a known issue in TiddlyWiki, as Jeremy replied earlier.
>
> You CAN use a ButtonWidget to call an Action that creates a Tiddler field 
> with a Russian name. This attribute is saved in the Wiki file and can be 
> seen again when you re-open the Wiki file.
>
> Please provide some screenshots of your issue if it is something different 
> than this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 3:16:31 AM UTC-8 Siniy-Kit wrote:
>
>> Positiv,  thank you for experiment. I don't know  that attributes can be 
>> with Russian letters
>> > modified="20201226110634850" modifier="HEEG.HTML free on-line store" 
>> title="проверка" цвет="красный">  
>>
>> I test it with space "цвет мой"  unfortunately it don't work
>>
>> > modified="2020122648894" modifier="HEEG.HTML free on-line store" 
>> title="проверка" цвет="красный" цвет мой="красный">  
>> суббота, 26 декабря 2020 г. в 02:21:59 UTC+3, positiv...@gmail.com: 
>>
>>> FYI: I was able to verify the button provided by Xavier on the sample TW 
>>> that Siniy-Kit provided. His link opens a specific Tiddler. I edited that 
>>> tiddler and pasted in the below code. I was also able to verify Eric 
>>> Shulman's comment that the field names are converted to lower case upon 
>>> saving.
>>>
>>> The sample Tiddler already had two fields with a "parametr-" prefixed 
>>> name. Those are shown in the "See already existing fields". His fields 
>>> looked like this.
>>>
>>> Field: -parametr-%D1%86%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82-
>>> Field: -parametr-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80-  
>>>
>>> The button provided by Xavier did set the value correctly.
>>>
>>> After saving the wiki and re-opening from my Downloads directory, I 
>>> added the "#567567811" bookmark tag to the end of the address bar. This 
>>> brought up the originally edited Tiddler. The field name set by the button 
>>> provided by Xavier was persisted and still showed correctly. The original 
>>> "paremetr-" prefixed fields had their hexadecimal values turned into 
>>> lowercase.
>>>
>>> Field: -parametr-%d1%86%d0%b2%d0%b5%d1%82-
>>> Field: -parametr-%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b7%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%80-  
>>>
>>>
>>> ```
>>> !!Set field using button
>>>
>>> <$button>
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="проверка" $field="цвет" $value="красный"/>
>>> Пойдем
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[has[цвет]]">
>>> <$text text={{{ [addprefix[The tiddler ]] }}}/>
>>> <$text text={{{ [get[цвет]addprefix[ has a field named 
>>> цвет, with a value of ]] }}} />.
>>> 
>>>
>>> !!See already existing fields
>>> <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[para]]">Field: -<>-
>>> 
>>> ```
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:36:27 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:09:20 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:

> From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names 
> hasn't brought any issues, 
>

 While $action-setfield allows you to create a field name using almost 
 any characters, the issue is whether the field name remains unchanged 
 after 
 saving and reloading the file.

 For example, I can use $action-setfield to create a tiddler field name 
 that uses mixed case (e.g., "SomeFieldName"), and that fieldname will work 
 just fine in a filter during that session (e.g., "{{{ 
 [[SomeTiddler]get[SomeFieldName]] }}}").

 However, after I save and reload the file, the fieldname will become 
 "somefieldname", and the filter then fails.

 -e

>>>

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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-27 Thread Thomas Stone 
positivesigner is my username at gmail.com.

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:36:16 PM UTC-8 Thomas Stone wrote:

> I was unable to get my screenshots to submit with the post. Email me at 
> positiv...@gmail.com if you want to send some screenshots back and forth.
>
> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:34:32 PM UTC-8 Thomas Stone wrote:
>
>> You said, "I don't know  that attributes can be with Russian letters". I 
>> cannot see what you tried and what error you saw.
>>
>> When I open a Wiki file and create a new Tiddler, the Tiddler Editor says 
>> "Add a new field" at the bottom. I put in a field name of "цвет" and a 
>> field value of "цвет", and then click the "Add" button. This shows a dialog 
>> box complaining about the field name. Closing the dialog erases the field 
>> name and field value that I tried to enter.
>>
>> Is that the error that is stopping you from using Russian letters in 
>> attributes? This is a known issue in TiddlyWiki, as Jeremy replied earlier.
>>
>> You CAN use a ButtonWidget to call an Action that creates a Tiddler field 
>> with a Russian name. This attribute is saved in the Wiki file and can be 
>> seen again when you re-open the Wiki file.
>>
>> Please provide some screenshots of your issue if it is something 
>> different than this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 3:16:31 AM UTC-8 Siniy-Kit wrote:
>>
>>> Positiv,  thank you for experiment. I don't know  that attributes can be 
>>> with Russian letters
>>> >> modified="20201226110634850" modifier="HEEG.HTML free on-line store" 
>>> title="проверка" цвет="красный">  
>>>
>>> I test it with space "цвет мой"  unfortunately it don't work
>>>
>>> >> modified="2020122648894" modifier="HEEG.HTML free on-line store" 
>>> title="проверка" цвет="красный" цвет мой="красный">  
>>> суббота, 26 декабря 2020 г. в 02:21:59 UTC+3, positiv...@gmail.com: 
>>>
 FYI: I was able to verify the button provided by Xavier on the sample 
 TW that Siniy-Kit provided. His link opens a specific Tiddler. I edited 
 that tiddler and pasted in the below code. I was also able to verify Eric 
 Shulman's comment that the field names are converted to lower case upon 
 saving.

 The sample Tiddler already had two fields with a "parametr-" prefixed 
 name. Those are shown in the "See already existing fields". His fields 
 looked like this.

 Field: -parametr-%D1%86%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82-
 Field: -parametr-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80-  

 The button provided by Xavier did set the value correctly.

 After saving the wiki and re-opening from my Downloads directory, I 
 added the "#567567811" bookmark tag to the end of the address bar. This 
 brought up the originally edited Tiddler. The field name set by the button 
 provided by Xavier was persisted and still showed correctly. The original 
 "paremetr-" prefixed fields had their hexadecimal values turned into 
 lowercase.

 Field: -parametr-%d1%86%d0%b2%d0%b5%d1%82-
 Field: -parametr-%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b7%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%80-  


 ```
 !!Set field using button

 <$button>
 <$action-setfield $tiddler="проверка" $field="цвет" $value="красный"/>
 Пойдем

 <$list filter="[has[цвет]]">
 <$text text={{{ [addprefix[The tiddler ]] }}}/>
 <$text text={{{ [get[цвет]addprefix[ has a field named 
 цвет, with a value of ]] }}} />.
 

 !!See already existing fields
 <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[para]]">Field: -<>-
 
 ```

 On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:36:27 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:09:20 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:
>
>> From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names 
>> hasn't brought any issues, 
>>
>
> While $action-setfield allows you to create a field name using almost 
> any characters, the issue is whether the field name remains unchanged 
> after 
> saving and reloading the file.
>
> For example, I can use $action-setfield to create a tiddler field name 
> that uses mixed case (e.g., "SomeFieldName"), and that fieldname will 
> work 
> just fine in a filter during that session (e.g., "{{{ 
> [[SomeTiddler]get[SomeFieldName]] }}}").
>
> However, after I save and reload the file, the fieldname will become 
> "somefieldname", and the filter then fails.
>
> -e
>


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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-27 Thread Thomas Stone 
I was unable to get my screenshots to submit with the post. Email me at 
positivesig...@gmail.com if you want to send some screenshots back and 
forth.

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:34:32 PM UTC-8 Thomas Stone wrote:

> You said, "I don't know  that attributes can be with Russian letters". I 
> cannot see what you tried and what error you saw.
>
> When I open a Wiki file and create a new Tiddler, the Tiddler Editor says 
> "Add a new field" at the bottom. I put in a field name of "цвет" and a 
> field value of "цвет", and then click the "Add" button. This shows a dialog 
> box complaining about the field name. Closing the dialog erases the field 
> name and field value that I tried to enter.
>
> Is that the error that is stopping you from using Russian letters in 
> attributes? This is a known issue in TiddlyWiki, as Jeremy replied earlier.
>
> You CAN use a ButtonWidget to call an Action that creates a Tiddler field 
> with a Russian name. This attribute is saved in the Wiki file and can be 
> seen again when you re-open the Wiki file.
>
> Please provide some screenshots of your issue if it is something different 
> than this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 3:16:31 AM UTC-8 Siniy-Kit wrote:
>
>> Positiv,  thank you for experiment. I don't know  that attributes can be 
>> with Russian letters
>> > modified="20201226110634850" modifier="HEEG.HTML free on-line store" 
>> title="проверка" цвет="красный">  
>>
>> I test it with space "цвет мой"  unfortunately it don't work
>>
>> > modified="2020122648894" modifier="HEEG.HTML free on-line store" 
>> title="проверка" цвет="красный" цвет мой="красный">  
>> суббота, 26 декабря 2020 г. в 02:21:59 UTC+3, positiv...@gmail.com: 
>>
>>> FYI: I was able to verify the button provided by Xavier on the sample TW 
>>> that Siniy-Kit provided. His link opens a specific Tiddler. I edited that 
>>> tiddler and pasted in the below code. I was also able to verify Eric 
>>> Shulman's comment that the field names are converted to lower case upon 
>>> saving.
>>>
>>> The sample Tiddler already had two fields with a "parametr-" prefixed 
>>> name. Those are shown in the "See already existing fields". His fields 
>>> looked like this.
>>>
>>> Field: -parametr-%D1%86%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82-
>>> Field: -parametr-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80-  
>>>
>>> The button provided by Xavier did set the value correctly.
>>>
>>> After saving the wiki and re-opening from my Downloads directory, I 
>>> added the "#567567811" bookmark tag to the end of the address bar. This 
>>> brought up the originally edited Tiddler. The field name set by the button 
>>> provided by Xavier was persisted and still showed correctly. The original 
>>> "paremetr-" prefixed fields had their hexadecimal values turned into 
>>> lowercase.
>>>
>>> Field: -parametr-%d1%86%d0%b2%d0%b5%d1%82-
>>> Field: -parametr-%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b7%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%80-  
>>>
>>>
>>> ```
>>> !!Set field using button
>>>
>>> <$button>
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="проверка" $field="цвет" $value="красный"/>
>>> Пойдем
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[has[цвет]]">
>>> <$text text={{{ [addprefix[The tiddler ]] }}}/>
>>> <$text text={{{ [get[цвет]addprefix[ has a field named 
>>> цвет, with a value of ]] }}} />.
>>> 
>>>
>>> !!See already existing fields
>>> <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[para]]">Field: -<>-
>>> 
>>> ```
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:36:27 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:09:20 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:

> From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names 
> hasn't brought any issues, 
>

 While $action-setfield allows you to create a field name using almost 
 any characters, the issue is whether the field name remains unchanged 
 after 
 saving and reloading the file.

 For example, I can use $action-setfield to create a tiddler field name 
 that uses mixed case (e.g., "SomeFieldName"), and that fieldname will work 
 just fine in a filter during that session (e.g., "{{{ 
 [[SomeTiddler]get[SomeFieldName]] }}}").

 However, after I save and reload the file, the fieldname will become 
 "somefieldname", and the filter then fails.

 -e

>>>

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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-26 Thread Siniy-Kit 
Positiv,  thank you for experiment. I don't know  that attributes can be 
with Russian letters
  

I test it with space "цвет мой"  unfortunately it don't work

  
суббота, 26 декабря 2020 г. в 02:21:59 UTC+3, positiv...@gmail.com: 

> FYI: I was able to verify the button provided by Xavier on the sample TW 
> that Siniy-Kit provided. His link opens a specific Tiddler. I edited that 
> tiddler and pasted in the below code. I was also able to verify Eric 
> Shulman's comment that the field names are converted to lower case upon 
> saving.
>
> The sample Tiddler already had two fields with a "parametr-" prefixed 
> name. Those are shown in the "See already existing fields". His fields 
> looked like this.
>
> Field: -parametr-%D1%86%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82-
> Field: -parametr-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80-  
>
> The button provided by Xavier did set the value correctly.
>
> After saving the wiki and re-opening from my Downloads directory, I added 
> the "#567567811" bookmark tag to the end of the address bar. This brought 
> up the originally edited Tiddler. The field name set by the button provided 
> by Xavier was persisted and still showed correctly. The original 
> "paremetr-" prefixed fields had their hexadecimal values turned into 
> lowercase.
>
> Field: -parametr-%d1%86%d0%b2%d0%b5%d1%82-
> Field: -parametr-%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b7%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%80-  
>
>
> ```
> !!Set field using button
>
> <$button>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="проверка" $field="цвет" $value="красный"/>
> Пойдем
>
> <$list filter="[has[цвет]]">
> <$text text={{{ [addprefix[The tiddler ]] }}}/>
> <$text text={{{ [get[цвет]addprefix[ has a field named 
> цвет, with a value of ]] }}} />.
> 
>
> !!See already existing fields
> <$list filter="[fields[]prefix[para]]">Field: -<>-
> 
> ```
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:36:27 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:09:20 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:
>>
>>> From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names hasn't 
>>> brought any issues, 
>>>
>>
>> While $action-setfield allows you to create a field name using almost any 
>> characters, the issue is whether the field name remains unchanged after 
>> saving and reloading the file.
>>
>> For example, I can use $action-setfield to create a tiddler field name 
>> that uses mixed case (e.g., "SomeFieldName"), and that fieldname will work 
>> just fine in a filter during that session (e.g., "{{{ 
>> [[SomeTiddler]get[SomeFieldName]] }}}").
>>
>> However, after I save and reload the file, the fieldname will become 
>> "somefieldname", and the filter then fails.
>>
>> -e
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-25 Thread Thomas Stone 
FYI: I was able to verify the button provided by Xavier on the sample TW 
that Siniy-Kit provided. His link opens a specific Tiddler. I edited that 
tiddler and pasted in the below code. I was also able to verify Eric 
Shulman's comment that the field names are converted to lower case upon 
saving.

The sample Tiddler already had two fields with a "parametr-" prefixed name. 
Those are shown in the "See already existing fields". His fields looked 
like this.

Field: -parametr-%D1%86%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82-
Field: -parametr-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80-  

The button provided by Xavier did set the value correctly.

After saving the wiki and re-opening from my Downloads directory, I added 
the "#567567811" bookmark tag to the end of the address bar. This brought 
up the originally edited Tiddler. The field name set by the button provided 
by Xavier was persisted and still showed correctly. The original 
"paremetr-" prefixed fields had their hexadecimal values turned into 
lowercase.

Field: -parametr-%d1%86%d0%b2%d0%b5%d1%82-
Field: -parametr-%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b7%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%80-  


```
!!Set field using button

<$button>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="проверка" $field="цвет" $value="красный"/>
Пойдем

<$list filter="[has[цвет]]">
<$text text={{{ [addprefix[The tiddler ]] }}}/>
<$text text={{{ [get[цвет]addprefix[ has a field named 
цвет, with a value of ]] }}} />.


!!See already existing fields
<$list filter="[fields[]prefix[para]]">Field: -<>-

```

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:36:27 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:09:20 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:
>
>> From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names hasn't 
>> brought any issues, 
>>
>
> While $action-setfield allows you to create a field name using almost any 
> characters, the issue is whether the field name remains unchanged after 
> saving and reloading the file.
>
> For example, I can use $action-setfield to create a tiddler field name 
> that uses mixed case (e.g., "SomeFieldName"), and that fieldname will work 
> just fine in a filter during that session (e.g., "{{{ 
> [[SomeTiddler]get[SomeFieldName]] }}}").
>
> However, after I save and reload the file, the fieldname will become 
> "somefieldname", and the filter then fails.
>
> -e
>

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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-23 Thread Siniy-Kit 
Hi  Jeremy. Thank you for answer. Many people don't know  about html 
attributes and so on. And it looks strange for them, when they get this 
alert,
* Illegal characters in field name "цвет". Fields can only contain 
lowercase letters, digits and the characters underscore (_), hyphen (-) and 
period (.)*

I think it will be better to create this  "wrong" field in tiddler, BUT  
with encodeURI field name in html code.
AND in tiddler edit interface nearby this "wrong"  fieldname will be small 
button [!?]  with small $reveal 

*your field name contains Illegal characters. Rename it, or  use it's 
encoded variant  name in filters  %D1%86%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82*

I think   it will make tiddlywiki more friendly for all users. 

среда, 23 декабря 2020 г. в 16:01:49 UTC+3, jeremy...@gmail.com: 

> Hi Siniy-Kit
>
> As you’ve discovered, field names currently only work reliably and 
> consistently if are composed of the a-z, 0-9, dash and underscore. It is 
> not trivial to fix because of the way that the code expects to be able to 
> roundtrip fieldnames into attribute names. I think it would require an 
> update to the TiddlyWiki HTML file format.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 23 Dec 2020, at 08:01, Siniy-Kit  wrote:
>
> little demo for my question 
> here  
> https://heeg.ru/shop2_2.html?id=16gDZVsB8FOIxrsFKbkbBNWC37lPUAfKOGf-rCVxeOmY#567567811
>   
> 
> if you edit tiddler you can see  this
>
> 
>
> it will be nice to use this field in filters whithout  +[decodeuri[]]  
>
> среда, 23 декабря 2020 г. в 10:09:44 UTC+3, Siniy-Kit: 
>
>> Many years ago I try to make new field "цвет" with value "красный" but it 
>> was impossible, because  all tiddlers  are saved in this format
>>
>>
>> > modified="20140908185153663" tags="Messages" title="WidgetMessage: 
>> tm-remove-field" type="text/vnd.tiddlywiki">
>>
>> The `tm-remove-field` message is handled by the FieldManglerWidget. 
>> It removes the specified field..
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  So our *fields are  html attributes*, so they can't   contain Russian 
>> letters :(
>>
>> BUT we can use js encodeURIComponent("цвет") and put it as attribute to 
>> make it work.
>> Why this mechanism is still not working in Tiddlywiki?
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-23 Thread Hans Wobbe 
@Jeremy:

Your reply to Siniy-Kit cited:   "... a-z, 0-9, dash and underscore..."  I 
have been under the impression that "dot" (".")  is also supported and I 
use it quite a bit.  Did your reply simply omit it, or has there been a 
change that has not bitten me yet, or are you contemplating dropping it?

Cheers,
Hans


On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 8:01:49 AM UTC-5 jeremy...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Siniy-Kit
>
> As you’ve discovered, field names currently only work reliably and 
> consistently if are composed of the a-z, 0-9, dash and underscore. It is 
> not trivial to fix because of the way that the code expects to be able to 
> roundtrip fieldnames into attribute names. I think it would require an 
> update to the TiddlyWiki HTML file format.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 23 Dec 2020, at 08:01, Siniy-Kit  wrote:
>
> little demo for my question 
> here  
> https://heeg.ru/shop2_2.html?id=16gDZVsB8FOIxrsFKbkbBNWC37lPUAfKOGf-rCVxeOmY#567567811
>   
> 
> if you edit tiddler you can see  this
>
> 
>
> it will be nice to use this field in filters whithout  +[decodeuri[]]  
>
> среда, 23 декабря 2020 г. в 10:09:44 UTC+3, Siniy-Kit: 
>
>> Many years ago I try to make new field "цвет" with value "красный" but it 
>> was impossible, because  all tiddlers  are saved in this format
>>
>>
>> > modified="20140908185153663" tags="Messages" title="WidgetMessage: 
>> tm-remove-field" type="text/vnd.tiddlywiki">
>>
>> The `tm-remove-field` message is handled by the FieldManglerWidget. 
>> It removes the specified field..
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  So our *fields are  html attributes*, so they can't   contain Russian 
>> letters :(
>>
>> BUT we can use js encodeURIComponent("цвет") and put it as attribute to 
>> make it work.
>> Why this mechanism is still not working in Tiddlywiki?
>>
>>
>>  
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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-23 Thread Xavier Cazin 
Hi Eric,

Oh I see, thank you for the enlightenment!

I realise that up to now I used extended field names only with wikis
running on NodeJS, not ones saved in an HTML file.

Cheers,
Xavier

Le mer. 23 déc. 2020 à 18:36, Eric Shulman  a écrit :

> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:09:20 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:
>
>> From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names hasn't
>> brought any issues,
>>
>
> While $action-setfield allows you to create a field name using almost any
> characters, the issue is whether the field name remains unchanged after
> saving and reloading the file.
>
> For example, I can use $action-setfield to create a tiddler field name
> that uses mixed case (e.g., "SomeFieldName"), and that fieldname will work
> just fine in a filter during that session (e.g., "{{{
> [[SomeTiddler]get[SomeFieldName]] }}}").
>
> However, after I save and reload the file, the fieldname will become
> "somefieldname", and the filter then fails.
>
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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-23 Thread Eric Shulman 
On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:09:20 AM UTC-8 Xavier wrote:

> From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names hasn't 
> brought any issues, 
>

While $action-setfield allows you to create a field name using almost any 
characters, the issue is whether the field name remains unchanged after 
saving and reloading the file.

For example, I can use $action-setfield to create a tiddler field name that 
uses mixed case (e.g., "SomeFieldName"), and that fieldname will work just 
fine in a filter during that session (e.g., "{{{ 
[[SomeTiddler]get[SomeFieldName]] }}}").

However, after I save and reload the file, the fieldname will become 
"somefieldname", and the filter then fails.

-e

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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-23 Thread Xavier Cazin 
Hi Siniy-Kit, Jeremy,

>From my experience, naming fields with any Unicode (utf-8) names hasn't
brought any issues,
as far as I don't use the EditTemplate (which explicitly refuses non-ascii
characters for naming fields)
but rather an action widget like *action-setfield*. For instance,

<$button>
<$action-setfield $tiddler="проверка" $field="цвет" $value="красный"/>
Пойдем

<$list filter="[has[цвет]]">
<$text text={{{ [addprefix[The tiddler ]] }}}/>
<$text text={{{ [get[цвет]addprefix[ has a field named
цвет, with a value of ]] }}} />.


Brings the expected results in current 5.1.22 and Firefox after you click
on *Пойдем*.

Siniy-Kit, do you have a counter-example where the field name is not
recognized in a filter?
-- Xavier


On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 2:01 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Siniy-Kit
>
> As you’ve discovered, field names currently only work reliably and
> consistently if are composed of the a-z, 0-9, dash and underscore. It is
> not trivial to fix because of the way that the code expects to be able to
> roundtrip fieldnames into attribute names. I think it would require an
> update to the TiddlyWiki HTML file format.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 23 Dec 2020, at 08:01, Siniy-Kit  wrote:
>
> little demo for my question
> here
> https://heeg.ru/shop2_2.html?id=16gDZVsB8FOIxrsFKbkbBNWC37lPUAfKOGf-rCVxeOmY#567567811
> 
> if you edit tiddler you can see  this
> 
> it will be nice to use this field in filters whithout  +[decodeuri[]]
>
> среда, 23 декабря 2020 г. в 10:09:44 UTC+3, Siniy-Kit:
>
>> Many years ago I try to make new field "цвет" with value "красный" but it
>> was impossible, because  all tiddlers  are saved in this format
>>
>>
>> > modified="20140908185153663" tags="Messages" title="WidgetMessage:
>> tm-remove-field" type="text/vnd.tiddlywiki">
>>
>> The `tm-remove-field` message is handled by the FieldManglerWidget.
>> It removes the specified field..
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  So our *fields are  html attributes*, so they can't   contain Russian
>> letters :(
>>
>> BUT we can use js encodeURIComponent("цвет") and put it as attribute to
>> make it work.
>> Why this mechanism is still not working in Tiddlywiki?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] I want to create field with Russian letters

2020-12-23 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
Hi Siniy-Kit

As you’ve discovered, field names currently only work reliably and consistently 
if are composed of the a-z, 0-9, dash and underscore. It is not trivial to fix 
because of the way that the code expects to be able to roundtrip fieldnames 
into attribute names. I think it would require an update to the TiddlyWiki HTML 
file format.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 23 Dec 2020, at 08:01, Siniy-Kit  wrote:
> 
> little demo for my question 
> here  
> https://heeg.ru/shop2_2.html?id=16gDZVsB8FOIxrsFKbkbBNWC37lPUAfKOGf-rCVxeOmY#567567811
>   
> 
> if you edit tiddler you can see  this
> 
> it will be nice to use this field in filters whithout  +[decodeuri[]]  
> 
> среда, 23 декабря 2020 г. в 10:09:44 UTC+3, Siniy-Kit: 
> Many years ago I try to make new field "цвет" with value "красный" but it was 
> impossible, because  all tiddlers  are saved in this format
> 
> 
>  modified="20140908185153663" tags="Messages" title="WidgetMessage: 
> tm-remove-field" type="text/vnd.tiddlywiki">
> 
> The `tm-remove-field` message is handled by the FieldManglerWidget. It 
> removes the specified field..
> 
> 
> 
>  So our fields are  html attributes, so they can't   contain Russian letters 
> :(
> 
> BUT we can use js encodeURIComponent("цвет") and put it as attribute to make 
> it work.
> Why this mechanism is still not working in Tiddlywiki?
> 
> 
>  
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